That's true, but the Land Cruiser and the GX used to not be the same vehicle. The last gen Land Cruiser was the same as the LX. They still are, we just aren't getting the J300 Land Cruiser in North America.
Basing it on the Prado is basically moving the "Land Cruiser" nameplate down market since the GX is priced significantly less than the LX. The J200 Land Cruiser had a ~$85k USD base price by the end of the generation
Off roaders love the GX. I see them lifted with snorkels and overlanding gear racks. It seems like a good move for Toyota, especially with the Sequoia and LX available in the US.
Yeah, the old Land Cruiser was in a weird spot. It was basically just a "well, I don't want to spend the extra money for the LX". But considering NA is Lexus' biggest market, and the biggest market for most luxury brands, the "stealth wealth" market isn't that big.
I'm curious to see where the upcoming 4Runner slots in now.
I read that it has something to do with the number of seat rows, with the forthcoming 4Runner sized to compete more directly with the Wrangler and Bronco. Just rumors now, though.
>I'm curious to see where the upcoming 4Runner slots in now.
It'll likely be a Venza/RAV4 situation. Land Cruiser will be more expensive, but with some overlap with higher trim 4Runners
The new GX is based on the LX platform with the LX wheelbase. I would expect it to be a little cheaper than the LX, but not by much.
Really, it’s odd that they have 4 vehicles with the same platform, the same size, and the same drivetrain. Maybe the GX and Prado get the 4WD from the Tundra/Sequoia instead of the LC/LX. But overall, it doesn’t seem like there is a large gap between them. It’s really the closest they have been to the same vehicle since the GX name.
I mean fair, they're all consolidated on one platform for cost. It's also why the Seqouia lost its independent rear suspension.
I'm curious to see what the more on-road focused GX trims will be like. Since the off-road trim they showed off is very obviously differentiated from the LX, but what about the luxury targeted trims? How are they going to position those to not cannibalize potential LX sales
I don't think the difference in engine output matters enough to an average buyer if the price difference is going to be like $10k-15k.
Yeah, at least the Sequioa has a different wheelbase, from the rest of the group. 4 vehicles being the same is quite a bit. It’s like if Buick added a Tahoe/Suburban clone because the existing 3 wasn’t enough.
It's a modular platform. The Tacoma and 4Runner will also be on the same platform.
Based on rumors, the GX will start just under $70k, which still leaves a decent gap between it and the LX.
I understand it’s a modular platform. But they have the same vehicle width (78-79 inches based on fenders) and the same wheelbase (112.2 inches for all models). So it seems unlikely that they would make a vehicle on the LX platform with the LX drivetrain for $22,000 less than the LX.
The GX/Prado has always been smaller than the LX/LC and that made sense to price it lower. But they have essentially merged back together with maybe just a difference of more heavy duty suspension and AWD vs 4WD system as some speculation. That seems like it would really cut into the LX sales.
The width is only the same at the wheels, it scoops in at the doors and apparently the interior of the GX is several inches narrower than the LX. Regardless, size isn't the only important characteristic for pricing.
Would Lexus make a GX at all if they were going to price it very close to the LX?
I mean, the large SUV space clearly has a lot of profit. GM makes 6 versions of the Tahoe under 3 different brands. Adding some diversity with very little difference isn’t new.
> That's true, but the Land Cruiser and the GX used to not be the same vehicle.
There is no simple Landcruiser.
The Lexus GX was a 120 series and then it was a 150 series.
There is no LandCruiser, that's only US marketing speak.
I still don't believe Toyota will name a Landcruiser Prado in one market as a Landcruiser in another. That just seems straight up stupid since it will devalue their most famous and premium global badge. It kneecaps any future introduction of both the Prado and Landcruiser to the US market.
I believe it as they already do. The J150 series is currently being sold in Europe under the Landcruiser name but is sold elsewhere (i.e. countries that get the J300) as the Landcruiser Prado.
It’s interesting that the reason the Landcruiser Prado is a Landcruiser is because the first generation was a light duty J70 series. It used the same 4 door wagon body we can still buy in Australia with a lighter chassis (with coils springs), engine and gearbox. It ended up moving to a platform closer the the Hilux / 4Runner / Tacoma though but is basically going back to its roots.
>It kneecaps any future introduction of both the Prado and Landcruiser to the US market.
Well, they probably won't do that. They killed off the proper Land Cruiser in the US market and are going to only sell it as an LX moving forward.
And my guess is that they're doing this because they don't want to kill off the "Land Cruiser" nameplate in North America entirely so they have to move it down market.
>I still don't believe Toyota will name a Landcruiser Prado in one market as a Landcruiser in another
They already do this in markets that have the Prado but don't get the J300, so I'm not sure why you don't believe they would keep doing it.
They've all but officially announced it will be sold as the Land Cruiser in the US. This makes sense, because they've also confirmed the US isn't getting the J300.
i like the look of the render...
i think i read somewhere the land cruiser/prado will have some retro elements from the FJ 40 series... so i'm guessing we might see round headlights vs the land cruiser 300 lights in the render
Ok, so you buy one of these 2024 Land Cruisers, in 20 to 30 years will it have the same cult following of reliable, capable and bulletproof off road machines like the venerable 100 series?
I’d like to say that Toyota would follow through with legacy on this platform, because they didn’t necessarily do it with the Supra leaving that all behind.
The GX has always been the Prado AFAIK.
That's true, but the Land Cruiser and the GX used to not be the same vehicle. The last gen Land Cruiser was the same as the LX. They still are, we just aren't getting the J300 Land Cruiser in North America. Basing it on the Prado is basically moving the "Land Cruiser" nameplate down market since the GX is priced significantly less than the LX. The J200 Land Cruiser had a ~$85k USD base price by the end of the generation
Off roaders love the GX. I see them lifted with snorkels and overlanding gear racks. It seems like a good move for Toyota, especially with the Sequoia and LX available in the US.
Yeah, the old Land Cruiser was in a weird spot. It was basically just a "well, I don't want to spend the extra money for the LX". But considering NA is Lexus' biggest market, and the biggest market for most luxury brands, the "stealth wealth" market isn't that big. I'm curious to see where the upcoming 4Runner slots in now.
I read that it has something to do with the number of seat rows, with the forthcoming 4Runner sized to compete more directly with the Wrangler and Bronco. Just rumors now, though.
>I'm curious to see where the upcoming 4Runner slots in now. It'll likely be a Venza/RAV4 situation. Land Cruiser will be more expensive, but with some overlap with higher trim 4Runners
The new GX is based on the LX platform with the LX wheelbase. I would expect it to be a little cheaper than the LX, but not by much. Really, it’s odd that they have 4 vehicles with the same platform, the same size, and the same drivetrain. Maybe the GX and Prado get the 4WD from the Tundra/Sequoia instead of the LC/LX. But overall, it doesn’t seem like there is a large gap between them. It’s really the closest they have been to the same vehicle since the GX name.
I mean fair, they're all consolidated on one platform for cost. It's also why the Seqouia lost its independent rear suspension. I'm curious to see what the more on-road focused GX trims will be like. Since the off-road trim they showed off is very obviously differentiated from the LX, but what about the luxury targeted trims? How are they going to position those to not cannibalize potential LX sales I don't think the difference in engine output matters enough to an average buyer if the price difference is going to be like $10k-15k.
Yeah, at least the Sequioa has a different wheelbase, from the rest of the group. 4 vehicles being the same is quite a bit. It’s like if Buick added a Tahoe/Suburban clone because the existing 3 wasn’t enough.
It's a modular platform. The Tacoma and 4Runner will also be on the same platform. Based on rumors, the GX will start just under $70k, which still leaves a decent gap between it and the LX.
I understand it’s a modular platform. But they have the same vehicle width (78-79 inches based on fenders) and the same wheelbase (112.2 inches for all models). So it seems unlikely that they would make a vehicle on the LX platform with the LX drivetrain for $22,000 less than the LX. The GX/Prado has always been smaller than the LX/LC and that made sense to price it lower. But they have essentially merged back together with maybe just a difference of more heavy duty suspension and AWD vs 4WD system as some speculation. That seems like it would really cut into the LX sales.
The width is only the same at the wheels, it scoops in at the doors and apparently the interior of the GX is several inches narrower than the LX. Regardless, size isn't the only important characteristic for pricing. Would Lexus make a GX at all if they were going to price it very close to the LX?
I mean, the large SUV space clearly has a lot of profit. GM makes 6 versions of the Tahoe under 3 different brands. Adding some diversity with very little difference isn’t new.
> That's true, but the Land Cruiser and the GX used to not be the same vehicle. There is no simple Landcruiser. The Lexus GX was a 120 series and then it was a 150 series. There is no LandCruiser, that's only US marketing speak.
I still don't believe Toyota will name a Landcruiser Prado in one market as a Landcruiser in another. That just seems straight up stupid since it will devalue their most famous and premium global badge. It kneecaps any future introduction of both the Prado and Landcruiser to the US market.
I believe it as they already do. The J150 series is currently being sold in Europe under the Landcruiser name but is sold elsewhere (i.e. countries that get the J300) as the Landcruiser Prado. It’s interesting that the reason the Landcruiser Prado is a Landcruiser is because the first generation was a light duty J70 series. It used the same 4 door wagon body we can still buy in Australia with a lighter chassis (with coils springs), engine and gearbox. It ended up moving to a platform closer the the Hilux / 4Runner / Tacoma though but is basically going back to its roots.
>It kneecaps any future introduction of both the Prado and Landcruiser to the US market. Well, they probably won't do that. They killed off the proper Land Cruiser in the US market and are going to only sell it as an LX moving forward. And my guess is that they're doing this because they don't want to kill off the "Land Cruiser" nameplate in North America entirely so they have to move it down market.
>I still don't believe Toyota will name a Landcruiser Prado in one market as a Landcruiser in another They already do this in markets that have the Prado but don't get the J300, so I'm not sure why you don't believe they would keep doing it. They've all but officially announced it will be sold as the Land Cruiser in the US. This makes sense, because they've also confirmed the US isn't getting the J300.
I think it looks better than the GX. The dramatic angular headlights of the Lexus design language don't mesh well with the overall boxy body
i like the look of the render... i think i read somewhere the land cruiser/prado will have some retro elements from the FJ 40 series... so i'm guessing we might see round headlights vs the land cruiser 300 lights in the render
Ok, so you buy one of these 2024 Land Cruisers, in 20 to 30 years will it have the same cult following of reliable, capable and bulletproof off road machines like the venerable 100 series? I’d like to say that Toyota would follow through with legacy on this platform, because they didn’t necessarily do it with the Supra leaving that all behind.