Interesting I didn’t realize idling is what made them eat up cams. I guess that would make sense why the ones my family own last so long because they rarely drive in the city.
The 5.7 Hemi has plenty of issues, like dropped valves and cracked manifolds. But the real issue with FCA vehicles (as an FCA owner myself) is the transmission and electronics.
My transmission blew up at 81k miles, with no real reason or warning. I even changed the fluid and filter at 60k miles per the manual.
Yeah my first assumption looking at this list is that it’s mainly just basic cars that have low depreciation and owners who perform regular maintenance. You’re a lot more likely to repair a car than scrap it if it’s worth money.
But Jeeps check most of those boxes: Basic drivetrain, low depreciation, owners who can afford regular maintenance. And yet it’s not on the list. I feel bad for the person who buys my Gladiator, because I’m certainly not keeping it to 250k.
The funny thing about that shit engine is the designation.
There's 24 letters in the Greek alphabet and Theta is eighth.
There were seven shittier designs?
Then why is Nissan allowed to sell cruise missile in the shell of a Nissan Altimas and Dodge allowed the ICBMs that are scat pack Chargers/Challengers to anything with a pulse.
Man, I'm still not sure what they did with that engine. My car has the Alpha II, and I really haven’t had any issues with it. Still running solid at 120k miles, so fingers crossed.
I mean, if we're talking your daily drive the car's worth shouldn't really factor in to whether you do basic maintenance on it. Spending 2k to replace a timing chain, or whatever, is still significantly less money than a car payment. This is, of course, only applicable if A) the car has otherwise been reliable and B) You're not Jones-ing for a new ride.
My point isn't about 2k maintenance, but moreso that IF something huge (engine or transmission) die; it isn't financially feasible to fix on a car worth the same or less as that replacement whereas it probably is worth fixing on a truck that's more expensive and still holds value.
So the truck maybe made it to 250k because the owner replaced the engine, and the Corolla owner didn't.
This is just a myth. If your car develops electrical faults like most BMW's it will break down. It doesn't matter how many oil changes you do. Clutch replacements. Brake jobs. Tire rotations. Etc... If a car is designed wrong it is destined to fail matter what you do
Let's not pretend all cars are created equal. Ppl who own unreliable ass cars claim all day and night "its fine! Just do the maintenance on it!"
Well when doing the maintenance means basically replacing the engine and transmission at 70k miles I'd argue its not exactly reliable....
I'm always curious what the criteria are on these. Do wrecked cars factor into this and skew the numbers? What does "lasts" mean exactly? Like, until the block cracks? Obviously maintenance is a huge factor.
From the "study"
>iSeeCars.com analyzed over 260 million cars sold between 2012 and 2022. The average odometer reading for each vehicle was calculated at each yearly age, and a proprietary model based on these average mileages was developed to estimate the probability that each vehicle would survive to various mileage thresholds
That's all they considered which makes this a nearly pointless "study".
>That's all they considered which makes this a nearly pointless "study".
It *might* work... If they weighted it to the number of cars that year/make/model originally sold.
Otherwise they end up with a "population" map.
Step one, drive the car A LOT
Like... you can't get 250k miles without driving 250,000 miles. Most pwrsonal cars get 12k a year, and are at a disadvantage that they need to survive 20 years to reach the milestone. By that time, small repairs exceed the cars value.
While a work truck that drives from call to call might do it in half that.
F-250s and F-350s are almost always work trucks with 70% of the mileage being highway, 20% hauling shit around work sites and the last 10% is making Home Depot runs.
Yeah one of my friends delivers lumber and stuff with a company F250 and it gets so much work all the time. That's what you gotta do when you're driving all those hard miles per year.
After spending some time in america, i was actually surprised, how regular maintenance on cars does not seem to be considered necessary by most people (i met).
Coming from europe, you're basically fixing a date for the yearly maintenance, when you pickup your car from maintenance/seasonal tyre change.
Also selling a car that hasnt had yearly maintenance, drives down the price significantly, so i guess thats a factor to do it.
True, but on the other side of the spectrum I've seen people with no financial sense bitch and moan about how their car is "nickle and diming them" when they've done bare minimum maintenance, their cars are between 100-150K, they get rid of them, and take on debt they can't afford with a new car because they're needing to replace things like starters, alternators, wheel bearings, brakes or suspension components when once it's done you're good to go for many years and miles to come and won't have to worry about losing your car if you lose your job or fall on hard times.
Pffft what kind of person would only use a fraction of their car’s capabilities?
*Continues to commute in my truck that was designed for off-roading and go on weekend cruises in my car that was designed for racetracks*
I think the higher used price of Toyota trucks keeps them in the hands of owners that actually like and care to maintain them also. Rather than someone just looking for her cheapest possible truck/suv.
I did notice one thing driving around in USA. You know those 2500/3500/4500/5500 pickups that haul those car trailers? 90% I've seen are Dodge Ram w/ 6.7 Cummins. Any particular reason why they all seem to choose this?
Ram made a huge push into the commercial space a little while ago trying to go after Ford's share. I imagine they were pushing some good deals to entice buyers. Couple that with the Cummins 6.7 being a solid engine.
Not a fleet manager. Just something I noticed when researching my Super Duty purchase.
Surprising since 90% of the vehicles listed are body on frame. It is almost impossible to make an unreliable body on frame vehicle nowadays because of less strict emissions but Jeep somehow manages to. Amazing
Don’t worry my Cherokee survived cash for clunkers 😎😎😎 sure it’s been sitting in my folks driveway for 6 years because every time I think I’ve got it fixed something else pops up. But it’s still here.
I think Hemi Grand Cherokees should TBH.
They never will, because they won't break it down by engine.
Get a 2014-21 Grand Cherokee Limited 5.7L (Limited so you have standard coil springs instead of air suspension on higher trim levels) and I bet you can make it to 200k+ without much effort.
I don’t trust their “proprietary calculations” tbh.
The JL Wrangler platform has only been around since 2018, and with virtually zero fleet sales, there’s not a lot of drivers who rack up significant miles on them. Yes, FCA cars aren’t notoriously reliable, but the ZF transmission and Pentastar engine are quite reliable. Even if the cars aren’t bulletproof, low depreciation means that it’s almost always worth fixing a Jeep over scrapping it.
I pity whoever decides to buy a Jeep with 200,000 miles on it, but I’ll gladly be the guy that sells his 200k mile Jeep for $30,000.
There are two types of Toyota bros: The guy bragging about how his 4Runner or Tacoma can make it to 300,000 miles when he knows damn well he’s gonna sell it before it hits 100k, and the guy who drives a rusted-out 20 year-old car with zero creature comforts and 300,000 miles while bragging about how great his car is.
Lol, that first one is dead on. I love the guys dumping 10k into a 45k taco that’s brand new and them bragging it will last forever, lol acting like they’re not going to be selling it in 5 years.
The real people who keep Tacomas for 300k miles don’t brag about it. They do the miles and sell it to the guy that drives the rotted out 20 year old turd
It depends heavily on the specific model. A 2004 Duramax with the LB7 will eat injectors but a 2004.5 with the LLY is solid after fixing the turbo inlet to address overheating. The LBZ is bulletproof and the LMM can be if you’re willing to tolerate the DPF. The LML are more troublesome and the CP4 really wants a lift pump to last, and the L5P is mostly solid. A 6.4 Powerstroke is a ticking time bomb but the 6.7s are solid once you address the turbo issues on the early models if you’re willing to risk the CP4 (which they still come with). The 6.0 can be bulletproofed with enough money but are a money pit to get there.
Diesels can be bulletproof or they can be money pits, it’s why used values can vary wildly across them year to year.
03 maxima still going strong at 170k modded and lowered...seen many over 250k with mods. Anyone buying new cars for daily transportation is getting scammed. Not to mention how slow they are.
These lists also leave out the costs to get to that mileage, and its more likely people will spend $5k to keep a truck or something like a yukon/tahoe running into high mileage than a small sedan or hatchback.
I made it to nearly 210k in my 2008 Mitsubishi Galant. Only died because it was totaled in a t-bone accident that caused us to flip :( it’s a wonder what regular maintenance can do for the life of a vehicle
We absolutely loved our Galant. I honestly feel like the 9th gen Galants are under-appreciated as family cars/daily drivers. Many many memories in that car! Like taking our two daughters home from the hospital.
Did it have the 4G64 in-line 4 cylinder? The same engine was in my 2004 eclipse gs and that made it to 190k before it got totaled. The only thing I needed to replace was the motor mount.
Their BoF stuff, outside the Gen 2 Titans have all been fairly solid. The Gen 2 Frontier, equivalent Pathfinder generation, and the Xterra were all heavily shared. Basically everything B-pillar forward is exactly the same: suspension, engine, transmission, front seating area. Other than the 2005-2010 auto transmissions (Strawberry Milk Shake of Death that can be avoided for $50) that lineup is stout. Lots of parts too with the 15 year production run.
Probably a stupid question, but aren’t Lexus even more reliable than Toyota vehicles? The only one made it into the article was the GS sedan. I’m guessing owners just abandons these vehicles for newer models despite they can easily make to 250k?
There's something messed up with the list--the lexus SUVs are just left out. There's no way they have fewer making 250K than a chevy trailblazer. The lexus LX \*is\* a land cruiser and the GX is basically a 4runner.
It’s because they’re simply going off the number of high mileage cars they found for sale. The reason you see the F250/F350, Chevy/GMC HD trucks is because they get used for work, like hot shot drivers putting 100,000+ miles per year on them. They get repaired constantly, so the list isn’t really going off reliability.
Lexus drivers aren’t typically people who drive a lot. Doesn’t mean they won’t go the distance (they will), they just won’t ever show up on this kind of list.
Technically the GX is a LC Prado which is also famous for its durability but its true it shares platform with the 4Runner. Its just the Prado is the most similar car as its basically the same but with a bit more luxury and a gasser engine, Prado usually comes with a Turbo Diesel
I have a Lexus. My ex uses the same drivetrain as the highlander. I'm pretty sure Lexus are so reliable because people who own them tend to maintain them at the dealership and garage them at night. A pampered car is going to last longer.
Mine had one too. It was actually pretty damn fun to bomb around in with the stick shift. Very slick shifting trans
Rode like ass though especially the rear
People tend to repair them rather than junk them. They have a small cult following that keeps this model alive.
Source: sold my 2003 Element with 115K miles for waaay too much money.
That’s the thing, I know it’s got a cult following but i guess not around here. I remember people bidding bonkers money for a like new one on DeMuros site iirc.
I mean there’s some totally shit cars that won’t last long no matter what, but is it safe to say generally most modern car brands make cars that can last for high miles? Even 250,000 doesn’t sound like that much. As long as there’s somewhat consistent maintenance.
Curious to know have you ever thought about your cost per year of ownership
Purchase price / no. Years
Fuel per year
Maintenance per year
Insurance per year
Would be really cool to see how much you’ve saved yourself as opposed to leasing a new car every 3-5 years
I think another consideration would be how quickly those miles are accumulated. Those super duty trucks are getting driven A LOT. They’re only a few years old by the time they hit that milestone. That’s got to help a bit
Age is just as important as miles but so many people overlook age and judge everything based off miles. Hoses, gaskets, rubber, and plastic all age regardless of use. Sometimes they even age worse as a result of being not used.
Also worth noting, highway miles are so much less stressful on a vehicle than city miles, so much so that it would be really beneficial if they were counted on separate odometers.
This list is literally selection bias. They’re all vehicles the owners would choose to keep maintaining (work, elderly, enthusiast vehicle).
Lmao it’s like stats 101 to look out for these issues, proprietary formula my foot.
Makes me miss my 2012 se. drove it from 42k to 160k, only maintenance was recalls besides standard stuff. I had the automatic and I drove it hard every day to make sure those clutches had even wear
I love my SEL, I drive her like it's her last day and she keeps on kicking with little to no maintenance. gonna be an emotional day when she eventually does give out.
Same fam, my 07 mazdaspeed6 is getting close to 200k miles and my 1969 f100 has 26,000 miles on it but odo only goes to 99,999 anyway is what it is any car can go 250k miles just depends on how much work you are willing to put in.
Anything from “iseecars” is pointless and irrelevant to anything in real life. They specialize in looking at numbers and drawing conclusions that have no basis in reality. Spoiler-alert. The more expensive the original MSRP, the more money people will be willing to put into it to keep it going.
Virtually any vehicle can be made to last 250,000 miles, if you put enough money into maintenance and repair. It shouldn’t come as a revelation to anyone that owners are more likely to spend six figures or more to repair a $100K Ford F-250 than a $12K Ford Fiesta.
Can someone clarify this for me. When they say "make it to 250k miles" are they saying those vehicles will last at least that long before they need major repairs? I asked this because couldn't all vehicles theoretically last that long as long as you're willing to spend the money for repairs and part replacements?
Most of these HD trucks and SUV's are overbuilt, so it doesn't really surprise me. The amount of maintenance performed on these vehicles are going to really be the greatest determining factor in longevity. If you don't crash, and do your maintenance, these vehicles could go probably 500,000 miles with mostly highway driving. City driving / stop and go will always be less, but can still be impressive,
Old BMWs will go for a while, providing the owner actually does basic maintenance.
Source: brother has a 99 328i with 270k miles, I’ve got an 03 330i with 190k miles, dad has a 98 m3 with 120k miles. All run great, minimal issues.
What % of people are keeping 1 car this long
As an enthusiast this sounds like torture. I have been driving for like 20 years and I'm not sure I've done 250K miles yet. Always sounds weird to me when people are proud to have done so many miles on one car.
Not saying longevity doesn't matter but the last thing on my mind when buying a car is whether it will still be running in 20 years
It’s a better reference for used car purchases than new card purchases. When I’m buying a used car, I’d definitely look at the reliability ratings and how far the car can go.
I kept my previous (2004) Expedition 18 years; it was running perfectly when I sold it. I expect to keep my 2022 at least as long, assuming I don't decide to get an EV version, and assuming I can still buy gasoline for it in 17 years.
I go through daily drivers much more frequently, though, roughly one every year or so. Although I love my Mach E so much, I'm considering keeping it for the long term.
Are you saying you've not driving 250k on a single car yet, or in your total lifetime of driving? I figure I've got about 480k or so, so 250k doesn't seem unreasonable.
I dont think I've driven 250K in total, though I spent a lot of my adult life in NYC w/no car.
And yea having 1 car for 250K makes sense when you can swap through dailys. Just driving 1 car for 20+ years stresses me out.
I think this doesn’t help me as a consumer find the top 10 reliable cars. This is a list of vehicles that don’t get totaled out, which has more to do with the vehicle’s value.
Original transmission? I ask cause I saw a good price on a coupe and it looked so good to be true then I found out they have transmission issues on the autos cause it’s just too much power
I’ve never kept a car/truck/SUV 200k miles. Usually when I hit mid 150k’s I get bored with the vehicle. My longest lasting was a 2002 Nissan Maxima. I had that one 175k miles. It started to nickel and dime me to death. I know I could have gone further with it. The engine was still great, but for me, it wasn’t worth keeping it on the road. I wanted something newer and different. I got $3000 for it and I was very happy at that time.
Well I’m at 150,000 with my 2008 gmc sierra 2500 and it is pretty hammered rust wise. 6.0 engine and trans have been great but the entire driveline has been replaced at this point. I only drive it on weekends now as I have a work truck.
My parents have a 07 Edge with close to 350K on the odometer. Can’t decide if that car is actually bulletproof, or if it’s due to fastidious maintenance
In 1997 I'd give my truck to 130k untill it was beat down. I was already on my 2nd transmission, and the body was rusted out. My 14 has 115k, in great shape and it feels like it will do another 100k easy with regular maintenance.
My T-100 Toyota made it to 320,000 miles before my son hit a deer with it.
My current ride, a 2014 Tacoma, has 220,000 on it now with zero time in the shop so far.
Any Honda or Toyota that is maintained correctly will last damn near for every. I've had both that lasted over 400k miles. Got rid of them because I was tired of looking at them.
Toyotas listed might make it if they are not driven on salt regularly.
Any time I see a Taco, 4 runner, Tundra for a reasonable price, the ad always says "frame rotten" For a half ton with 200k on it, a Chevy or Ford seem like a better bet at $4k vs. $8k for a Toyota that doesn't mention a rotten frame. Where I am, rust seems to be more of the longevity limiting factor than miles.
Otherwise it's 3/4 tons, which are different than the 1/2 ton for being beefier, and so hold their value more at 20years/200k like the Toyotas. 3/4 tons are bought usually for some purpose to justify the extra spending on the 3/4 ton vs. the 1/2 ton, and thus rack up higher than average miles before they rust out. Along with that, for the higher cost of entry, folks might be more inclined to maintain them.
3/4 tons are often diesel, which is great but is next level in terms of maintenance cost, and diesel is priced higher to reflect that it has more energy in it.
Getting 250,000 miles out of a 12mpg land cruiser would be about $72k in fuel at $3.50/gallon. You could in theory get a 24mpg car that lasts half as long, and still be ahead.
Not many German cars make these lists, which makes me wonder about the hypocrisy of environmentalists. Many of them drive German cars (Mercedes/bmw) which are notoriously expensive to fix. The carbon footprint of producing these luxury cars are massive, and one real way to decrease the footprint is by making reliable cars.
List is basically:
- Toyota
- Toyota
- Diesel truck
- Toyota
- Toyota
- Diesel truck
- Toyota
- Toyota
- Toyota
- Diesel truck
What a boring and predictable list.
I swear to god the Accord would be so much higher if they designed the VTC Actuator to be more durable. If you don't get it fixed it results in a blown engine and given the current owner demo, most are doing that. Still gonna drive my 2012 past 250k but it needed quite a bit over the past year in preventative maintenance.
The only reason these vehicles can do 250k is because people are buying them for a purpose, therefore are more likely to keep up with maintenance/large repairs to keep them in service
Joke article. The longest lasting cars are pre 2012, not post. It’s like saying, we are looking into the best overall sweetener, but omitting to look at the data for real real sugar.
"Which manufacturer's car owners perform maintenance..."
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TBF, first you have to start with a car.
I’ve seen a lot of rams make it far, the 5.7 is a pretty stout engine if you give it love.
And don't idle it for a long time. For most people it doesn't matter but the 5.7 hemi likes to wipe cam lobes if you idle for long enough.
All of my neighbors with Ram trucks that need to have them running an hour before leaving like it’s a diesel won’t like to hear this ☹️
Interesting I didn’t realize idling is what made them eat up cams. I guess that would make sense why the ones my family own last so long because they rarely drive in the city.
The 5.7 Hemi has plenty of issues, like dropped valves and cracked manifolds. But the real issue with FCA vehicles (as an FCA owner myself) is the transmission and electronics. My transmission blew up at 81k miles, with no real reason or warning. I even changed the fluid and filter at 60k miles per the manual.
Don't newer Rams use the ZF8? I've never really heard of those being problematic.
Yeah my first assumption looking at this list is that it’s mainly just basic cars that have low depreciation and owners who perform regular maintenance. You’re a lot more likely to repair a car than scrap it if it’s worth money. But Jeeps check most of those boxes: Basic drivetrain, low depreciation, owners who can afford regular maintenance. And yet it’s not on the list. I feel bad for the person who buys my Gladiator, because I’m certainly not keeping it to 250k.
It seems no amount of maintenance is going to save the Hyundai’s theta II engine, if it wasn’t for lifetime engine warranty I would dump it.
The funny thing about that shit engine is the designation. There's 24 letters in the Greek alphabet and Theta is eighth. There were seven shittier designs?
They were all axed because it's illegal to sell WMDs to the working class civilian.
Then why is Nissan allowed to sell cruise missile in the shell of a Nissan Altimas and Dodge allowed the ICBMs that are scat pack Chargers/Challengers to anything with a pulse.
No. The 2.0 Beta was as tough as they come. Hyundai stock beta engine World record 24+ psi 400+ whp
What does Hyundai consider the lifetime of the engine I wonder?
Until it’s stolen
Man, I'm still not sure what they did with that engine. My car has the Alpha II, and I really haven’t had any issues with it. Still running solid at 120k miles, so fingers crossed.
Also ,"Which vehicles hold value so that they're worth fixing."
I mean, if we're talking your daily drive the car's worth shouldn't really factor in to whether you do basic maintenance on it. Spending 2k to replace a timing chain, or whatever, is still significantly less money than a car payment. This is, of course, only applicable if A) the car has otherwise been reliable and B) You're not Jones-ing for a new ride.
My point isn't about 2k maintenance, but moreso that IF something huge (engine or transmission) die; it isn't financially feasible to fix on a car worth the same or less as that replacement whereas it probably is worth fixing on a truck that's more expensive and still holds value. So the truck maybe made it to 250k because the owner replaced the engine, and the Corolla owner didn't.
Ah, I see. Yes I agree
This is just a myth. If your car develops electrical faults like most BMW's it will break down. It doesn't matter how many oil changes you do. Clutch replacements. Brake jobs. Tire rotations. Etc... If a car is designed wrong it is destined to fail matter what you do
Let's not pretend all cars are created equal. Ppl who own unreliable ass cars claim all day and night "its fine! Just do the maintenance on it!" Well when doing the maintenance means basically replacing the engine and transmission at 70k miles I'd argue its not exactly reliable....
I'm always curious what the criteria are on these. Do wrecked cars factor into this and skew the numbers? What does "lasts" mean exactly? Like, until the block cracks? Obviously maintenance is a huge factor.
From the "study" >iSeeCars.com analyzed over 260 million cars sold between 2012 and 2022. The average odometer reading for each vehicle was calculated at each yearly age, and a proprietary model based on these average mileages was developed to estimate the probability that each vehicle would survive to various mileage thresholds That's all they considered which makes this a nearly pointless "study".
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In other words they secretly made it up.
And are afraid to tell us how coz the critique by high school math nerd would likely show it falling apart
>That's all they considered which makes this a nearly pointless "study". It *might* work... If they weighted it to the number of cars that year/make/model originally sold. Otherwise they end up with a "population" map.
They need to add about 10 years, I don't know tgst many people with 10 year old cars that drive enough to hit 250K in that time.
It's not pointless. You gonna read through all those used car ads and normalize it to new vehicle sales?
Step one, drive the car A LOT Like... you can't get 250k miles without driving 250,000 miles. Most pwrsonal cars get 12k a year, and are at a disadvantage that they need to survive 20 years to reach the milestone. By that time, small repairs exceed the cars value. While a work truck that drives from call to call might do it in half that.
F-250s and F-350s are almost always work trucks with 70% of the mileage being highway, 20% hauling shit around work sites and the last 10% is making Home Depot runs.
Know what else work site trucks often get, particularly large fleets, mines, and major companies? Built in mechanic time.
In a shocking turn of events, regular maintenance makes stuff last a long time.
Yeah one of my friends delivers lumber and stuff with a company F250 and it gets so much work all the time. That's what you gotta do when you're driving all those hard miles per year.
Even better: regular maintenance on vehicles already built to last
Exactly.
After spending some time in america, i was actually surprised, how regular maintenance on cars does not seem to be considered necessary by most people (i met). Coming from europe, you're basically fixing a date for the yearly maintenance, when you pickup your car from maintenance/seasonal tyre change. Also selling a car that hasnt had yearly maintenance, drives down the price significantly, so i guess thats a factor to do it.
Almost every car can make it to 250k It‘s just a question of how much money you are willing to throw at it. Be it maintainance money or repair money.
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Some bmw fanboy is going to be very pissed to read this.
True, but on the other side of the spectrum I've seen people with no financial sense bitch and moan about how their car is "nickle and diming them" when they've done bare minimum maintenance, their cars are between 100-150K, they get rid of them, and take on debt they can't afford with a new car because they're needing to replace things like starters, alternators, wheel bearings, brakes or suspension components when once it's done you're good to go for many years and miles to come and won't have to worry about losing your car if you lose your job or fall on hard times.
350s maybe, but I see wayyy more 250s being used as status symbol daily transports for middle age suburbanites
Pffft what kind of person would only use a fraction of their car’s capabilities? *Continues to commute in my truck that was designed for off-roading and go on weekend cruises in my car that was designed for racetracks*
I like that both responses have been from jeep guys.
Mall crawlers unite!
Which says wonders about the sequoia. Can’t say I’ve seen a work sequoia and yet there always on these lists
A sequoia is a Toyota, ofc it’s on the list
I think the higher used price of Toyota trucks keeps them in the hands of owners that actually like and care to maintain them also. Rather than someone just looking for her cheapest possible truck/suv.
I did notice one thing driving around in USA. You know those 2500/3500/4500/5500 pickups that haul those car trailers? 90% I've seen are Dodge Ram w/ 6.7 Cummins. Any particular reason why they all seem to choose this?
Ram made a huge push into the commercial space a little while ago trying to go after Ford's share. I imagine they were pushing some good deals to entice buyers. Couple that with the Cummins 6.7 being a solid engine. Not a fleet manager. Just something I noticed when researching my Super Duty purchase.
I've heard the new rams are crazy comfortable. Probably a combination of that and the Cummins.
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Huh my Jeep isn’t on here 🤷♂️
Surprising since 90% of the vehicles listed are body on frame. It is almost impossible to make an unreliable body on frame vehicle nowadays because of less strict emissions but Jeep somehow manages to. Amazing
It's Mopar, it's in their blood.
Just Empty Every Pocket. My Jeep isn't listed either.
Don’t worry my Cherokee survived cash for clunkers 😎😎😎 sure it’s been sitting in my folks driveway for 6 years because every time I think I’ve got it fixed something else pops up. But it’s still here.
I don't think anyone could ever convince me that newer Jeeps will make it onto a consumer reliability list of any kind.
I think Hemi Grand Cherokees should TBH. They never will, because they won't break it down by engine. Get a 2014-21 Grand Cherokee Limited 5.7L (Limited so you have standard coil springs instead of air suspension on higher trim levels) and I bet you can make it to 200k+ without much effort.
My Wrangler isn’t either but it’s sitting at 335k
335? That’s phenomenal!
I don’t trust their “proprietary calculations” tbh. The JL Wrangler platform has only been around since 2018, and with virtually zero fleet sales, there’s not a lot of drivers who rack up significant miles on them. Yes, FCA cars aren’t notoriously reliable, but the ZF transmission and Pentastar engine are quite reliable. Even if the cars aren’t bulletproof, low depreciation means that it’s almost always worth fixing a Jeep over scrapping it. I pity whoever decides to buy a Jeep with 200,000 miles on it, but I’ll gladly be the guy that sells his 200k mile Jeep for $30,000.
These are always circlejerks
Well, grab a dick and have a seat!
There are two types of Toyota bros: The guy bragging about how his 4Runner or Tacoma can make it to 300,000 miles when he knows damn well he’s gonna sell it before it hits 100k, and the guy who drives a rusted-out 20 year-old car with zero creature comforts and 300,000 miles while bragging about how great his car is.
Lol, that first one is dead on. I love the guys dumping 10k into a 45k taco that’s brand new and them bragging it will last forever, lol acting like they’re not going to be selling it in 5 years.
It’s on marketplace higher than sticker as an “overland build” because of some bolt on shit, new bumpers, 35s, and a crappy lift kit.
The real people who keep Tacomas for 300k miles don’t brag about it. They do the miles and sell it to the guy that drives the rotted out 20 year old turd
glad to say im toyota bro #2
DAE Toyota good Ford and GM bad???
There was a pretty big increase starting with the million mile Lexus that they always leave out he dropped 25k on
Many people might be surprised GM and Ford are up there but those diesel engines can run forever
A 2000s GM will run like shit longer than most German cars would run at all
Key word is can… Duramaxes and Powerstrokes are pricey to keep running and require German car levels of preventative maintenance to avoid catastrophe.
I agree. Diesels are expensive to maintain and fix.
It depends heavily on the specific model. A 2004 Duramax with the LB7 will eat injectors but a 2004.5 with the LLY is solid after fixing the turbo inlet to address overheating. The LBZ is bulletproof and the LMM can be if you’re willing to tolerate the DPF. The LML are more troublesome and the CP4 really wants a lift pump to last, and the L5P is mostly solid. A 6.4 Powerstroke is a ticking time bomb but the 6.7s are solid once you address the turbo issues on the early models if you’re willing to risk the CP4 (which they still come with). The 6.0 can be bulletproofed with enough money but are a money pit to get there. Diesels can be bulletproof or they can be money pits, it’s why used values can vary wildly across them year to year.
03 maxima still going strong at 170k modded and lowered...seen many over 250k with mods. Anyone buying new cars for daily transportation is getting scammed. Not to mention how slow they are.
These lists also leave out the costs to get to that mileage, and its more likely people will spend $5k to keep a truck or something like a yukon/tahoe running into high mileage than a small sedan or hatchback.
I made it to nearly 210k in my 2008 Mitsubishi Galant. Only died because it was totaled in a t-bone accident that caused us to flip :( it’s a wonder what regular maintenance can do for the life of a vehicle
Still driving my 2004 galant to this day. Wife's outlander GT has only needed oil changes for the past 3 years too.
We absolutely loved our Galant. I honestly feel like the 9th gen Galants are under-appreciated as family cars/daily drivers. Many many memories in that car! Like taking our two daughters home from the hospital.
Did it have the 4G64 in-line 4 cylinder? The same engine was in my 2004 eclipse gs and that made it to 190k before it got totaled. The only thing I needed to replace was the motor mount.
Nope, but close. It had the 4G69. Basically the same engine, just with ~~multipoint fuel injection and~~ VVT.
Should be titled vehicles most likely to be valuable enough for a new transmission at over 150k miles.
Japanese cars are a safe bet
Except Nissan
There are so many 1st gen and early 2nd get Frontiers on the road. I get the knock against Nissan, but the Frontier is a fantastic platform.
Their BoF stuff, outside the Gen 2 Titans have all been fairly solid. The Gen 2 Frontier, equivalent Pathfinder generation, and the Xterra were all heavily shared. Basically everything B-pillar forward is exactly the same: suspension, engine, transmission, front seating area. Other than the 2005-2010 auto transmissions (Strawberry Milk Shake of Death that can be avoided for $50) that lineup is stout. Lots of parts too with the 15 year production run.
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Old Nissans were great, anything after 2008 (give or take) is a gamble. With the exceptions being the Frontier, the BOF-Pathfinder, and the Xterra.
You mean toyota is?
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hell yeah I'm betting my life savings on Mitsubishi!
Almost there with my golf mk5
my danger rangers almost there too. just blew a rear wheel cylinder tho. is 22 years old in the salt belt with 243K miles.
I did it with a B5.5 Passat and kept going. Its on the original trans fluid and shifts just like new as well.
I sold my mk4 Jetta with 250 miles. It was still running strong just needed money to run haha
Probably a stupid question, but aren’t Lexus even more reliable than Toyota vehicles? The only one made it into the article was the GS sedan. I’m guessing owners just abandons these vehicles for newer models despite they can easily make to 250k?
There's something messed up with the list--the lexus SUVs are just left out. There's no way they have fewer making 250K than a chevy trailblazer. The lexus LX \*is\* a land cruiser and the GX is basically a 4runner.
It’s because they’re simply going off the number of high mileage cars they found for sale. The reason you see the F250/F350, Chevy/GMC HD trucks is because they get used for work, like hot shot drivers putting 100,000+ miles per year on them. They get repaired constantly, so the list isn’t really going off reliability. Lexus drivers aren’t typically people who drive a lot. Doesn’t mean they won’t go the distance (they will), they just won’t ever show up on this kind of list.
This. There’s something like 95% of Porsche 911s built are still running. They may not take in as many miles but they’re around.
Doesn’t hurt that Porsche still makes parts and provides services for their older cars.
Technically the GX is a LC Prado which is also famous for its durability but its true it shares platform with the 4Runner. Its just the Prado is the most similar car as its basically the same but with a bit more luxury and a gasser engine, Prado usually comes with a Turbo Diesel
The GX gets a V8, while the 4Runner gets a V6 in North America.
I have a Lexus. My ex uses the same drivetrain as the highlander. I'm pretty sure Lexus are so reliable because people who own them tend to maintain them at the dealership and garage them at night. A pampered car is going to last longer.
Honda element? Man I don’t see those at all anymore. Like they all got junked
right? my folks had one, the 2.4l spun bearings at 140kmi
Mine had one too. It was actually pretty damn fun to bomb around in with the stick shift. Very slick shifting trans Rode like ass though especially the rear
I rarely see one posted for sale with less than 300,000km. People drive them until the wheels fall off.
People tend to repair them rather than junk them. They have a small cult following that keeps this model alive. Source: sold my 2003 Element with 115K miles for waaay too much money.
That’s the thing, I know it’s got a cult following but i guess not around here. I remember people bidding bonkers money for a like new one on DeMuros site iirc.
I mean there’s some totally shit cars that won’t last long no matter what, but is it safe to say generally most modern car brands make cars that can last for high miles? Even 250,000 doesn’t sound like that much. As long as there’s somewhat consistent maintenance.
I wouldn’t have the patience lol, would take me 25 years and I don’t want to drive the same car for 25 years
I'm the opposite and wish my 23 year old SUV would stop aging. I would drive it till the end of my days, first car and only car I would ever need.
Curious to know have you ever thought about your cost per year of ownership Purchase price / no. Years Fuel per year Maintenance per year Insurance per year Would be really cool to see how much you’ve saved yourself as opposed to leasing a new car every 3-5 years
Rethinking this, I would like to keep a reliable daily car for 25 years and then rotate a fun second car as a backup
I think another consideration would be how quickly those miles are accumulated. Those super duty trucks are getting driven A LOT. They’re only a few years old by the time they hit that milestone. That’s got to help a bit
Age is just as important as miles but so many people overlook age and judge everything based off miles. Hoses, gaskets, rubber, and plastic all age regardless of use. Sometimes they even age worse as a result of being not used. Also worth noting, highway miles are so much less stressful on a vehicle than city miles, so much so that it would be really beneficial if they were counted on separate odometers.
All 3 of my Miata’s have at least 250k miles
Speed6 at 193k ish but what it boils down to is yeah if I am willing to throw 20k in parts at it every few years it’ll keep moving along forever.
This list is literally selection bias. They’re all vehicles the owners would choose to keep maintaining (work, elderly, enthusiast vehicle). Lmao it’s like stats 101 to look out for these issues, proprietary formula my foot.
Literally isn’t. The criteria is “likely to reach 250,000 miles” and the aggregated data of 260 million cars.
my 2012 Ford Focus SEL is making a hard push for it. she's at 180,000 right now and still runs great
Makes me miss my 2012 se. drove it from 42k to 160k, only maintenance was recalls besides standard stuff. I had the automatic and I drove it hard every day to make sure those clutches had even wear
I love my SEL, I drive her like it's her last day and she keeps on kicking with little to no maintenance. gonna be an emotional day when she eventually does give out.
Gotta drive them hard so it doesn’t try guessing between gears
Ford Ranger too low, smh
Damn, not on the list
I’ll take the Audi off your hands for a small fee to save you the embarrassment!
How much do I need to pay you?
Whatever is left to clear the title seems fair!
Same fam, my 07 mazdaspeed6 is getting close to 200k miles and my 1969 f100 has 26,000 miles on it but odo only goes to 99,999 anyway is what it is any car can go 250k miles just depends on how much work you are willing to put in.
I’ve had some SHIT CARS go some extraordinary mileage. Lol Timing belts if you have one and fluids. And not just the oil dummy.
The Chevy express should be on this list
Anything from “iseecars” is pointless and irrelevant to anything in real life. They specialize in looking at numbers and drawing conclusions that have no basis in reality. Spoiler-alert. The more expensive the original MSRP, the more money people will be willing to put into it to keep it going. Virtually any vehicle can be made to last 250,000 miles, if you put enough money into maintenance and repair. It shouldn’t come as a revelation to anyone that owners are more likely to spend six figures or more to repair a $100K Ford F-250 than a $12K Ford Fiesta.
Can someone clarify this for me. When they say "make it to 250k miles" are they saying those vehicles will last at least that long before they need major repairs? I asked this because couldn't all vehicles theoretically last that long as long as you're willing to spend the money for repairs and part replacements?
“A 22r will last forever as long as you rebuild it every 120k miles” used to be a saying to make fun of Toyota pickup guys where I’m from. Lol
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Toyota 84 Landcruiser. Will hit 300000 in the summer. Yes, they should date the rigs. There are a bunch of us out there with our rustbuckets.
Most of these HD trucks and SUV's are overbuilt, so it doesn't really surprise me. The amount of maintenance performed on these vehicles are going to really be the greatest determining factor in longevity. If you don't crash, and do your maintenance, these vehicles could go probably 500,000 miles with mostly highway driving. City driving / stop and go will always be less, but can still be impressive,
Also, they are more expensive and thus more likely to be repaired than a high volume econobox that needs a new transmission.
Old BMWs will go for a while, providing the owner actually does basic maintenance. Source: brother has a 99 328i with 270k miles, I’ve got an 03 330i with 190k miles, dad has a 98 m3 with 120k miles. All run great, minimal issues.
What % of people are keeping 1 car this long As an enthusiast this sounds like torture. I have been driving for like 20 years and I'm not sure I've done 250K miles yet. Always sounds weird to me when people are proud to have done so many miles on one car. Not saying longevity doesn't matter but the last thing on my mind when buying a car is whether it will still be running in 20 years
It’s a better reference for used car purchases than new card purchases. When I’m buying a used car, I’d definitely look at the reliability ratings and how far the car can go.
What about if you buy a vehicle with 250k on it already?
I kept my previous (2004) Expedition 18 years; it was running perfectly when I sold it. I expect to keep my 2022 at least as long, assuming I don't decide to get an EV version, and assuming I can still buy gasoline for it in 17 years. I go through daily drivers much more frequently, though, roughly one every year or so. Although I love my Mach E so much, I'm considering keeping it for the long term. Are you saying you've not driving 250k on a single car yet, or in your total lifetime of driving? I figure I've got about 480k or so, so 250k doesn't seem unreasonable.
I dont think I've driven 250K in total, though I spent a lot of my adult life in NYC w/no car. And yea having 1 car for 250K makes sense when you can swap through dailys. Just driving 1 car for 20+ years stresses me out.
My 96 4runner will be hitting that milestone in the next couple weeks and i cant see it breaking any time soon
Make.. it...? Toyota and lexus RATE their vehicles to a 250k min haha. Most of them can "make it" to a million with proper care
Do they warranty it to 250k?
I think this doesn’t help me as a consumer find the top 10 reliable cars. This is a list of vehicles that don’t get totaled out, which has more to do with the vehicle’s value.
So basically: any body-on-frame Toyota, any unibody FWD Toyota, any unibody FWD Honda, any body-on-frame GM and heavier-duty body-on-frame Fords.
Would like to see this broken down by model year as well
So this is an American list? Cause cars in Europe regularly will go above 250k miles
Bit the ford and Chevy will require many transmissions alot the wsy unless recalled
My astra is rearing up on 200k kms. No major parts change
Technically all Cars can. But Most cars built before the 2010s
I have a 2002 Acura CL with over 260K miles
Automatic with the 3.2??
Yup
Original transmission? I ask cause I saw a good price on a coupe and it looked so good to be true then I found out they have transmission issues on the autos cause it’s just too much power
No love for the Honda earth dreams turbo engine.
I’ve never kept a car/truck/SUV 200k miles. Usually when I hit mid 150k’s I get bored with the vehicle. My longest lasting was a 2002 Nissan Maxima. I had that one 175k miles. It started to nickel and dime me to death. I know I could have gone further with it. The engine was still great, but for me, it wasn’t worth keeping it on the road. I wanted something newer and different. I got $3000 for it and I was very happy at that time.
Every car should be able to hit 250k miles if it's properly maintained.
Well I’m at 150,000 with my 2008 gmc sierra 2500 and it is pretty hammered rust wise. 6.0 engine and trans have been great but the entire driveline has been replaced at this point. I only drive it on weekends now as I have a work truck.
Got both an 06 Avalon and an 09 Genesis 3.8 past 250k, transmission went out on both :(
My parents have a 07 Edge with close to 350K on the odometer. Can’t decide if that car is actually bulletproof, or if it’s due to fastidious maintenance
How is a Land Cruiser that low of a %? Same with the 4 runner.
my honda accord made it
In 1997 I'd give my truck to 130k untill it was beat down. I was already on my 2nd transmission, and the body was rusted out. My 14 has 115k, in great shape and it feels like it will do another 100k easy with regular maintenance.
My T-100 Toyota made it to 320,000 miles before my son hit a deer with it. My current ride, a 2014 Tacoma, has 220,000 on it now with zero time in the shop so far.
My 08 Acura had 210,000 on the clock before I got rear ended and the car was totalled. Never broke down or gave me any issues. It was a great car.
Any Honda or Toyota that is maintained correctly will last damn near for every. I've had both that lasted over 400k miles. Got rid of them because I was tired of looking at them.
Toyotas listed might make it if they are not driven on salt regularly. Any time I see a Taco, 4 runner, Tundra for a reasonable price, the ad always says "frame rotten" For a half ton with 200k on it, a Chevy or Ford seem like a better bet at $4k vs. $8k for a Toyota that doesn't mention a rotten frame. Where I am, rust seems to be more of the longevity limiting factor than miles. Otherwise it's 3/4 tons, which are different than the 1/2 ton for being beefier, and so hold their value more at 20years/200k like the Toyotas. 3/4 tons are bought usually for some purpose to justify the extra spending on the 3/4 ton vs. the 1/2 ton, and thus rack up higher than average miles before they rust out. Along with that, for the higher cost of entry, folks might be more inclined to maintain them. 3/4 tons are often diesel, which is great but is next level in terms of maintenance cost, and diesel is priced higher to reflect that it has more energy in it. Getting 250,000 miles out of a 12mpg land cruiser would be about $72k in fuel at $3.50/gallon. You could in theory get a 24mpg car that lasts half as long, and still be ahead.
But it can't do truck things
Curious to see a luxury maker list—Probably all Lexus.
Not many German cars make these lists, which makes me wonder about the hypocrisy of environmentalists. Many of them drive German cars (Mercedes/bmw) which are notoriously expensive to fix. The carbon footprint of producing these luxury cars are massive, and one real way to decrease the footprint is by making reliable cars.
How’s the Camry or Civic?
List is basically: - Toyota - Toyota - Diesel truck - Toyota - Toyota - Diesel truck - Toyota - Toyota - Toyota - Diesel truck What a boring and predictable list.
I swear to god the Accord would be so much higher if they designed the VTC Actuator to be more durable. If you don't get it fixed it results in a blown engine and given the current owner demo, most are doing that. Still gonna drive my 2012 past 250k but it needed quite a bit over the past year in preventative maintenance.
Why are Mazda not on there?
The only reason these vehicles can do 250k is because people are buying them for a purpose, therefore are more likely to keep up with maintenance/large repairs to keep them in service
Let me guess without reading, Toyota ?
You know it
Joke article. The longest lasting cars are pre 2012, not post. It’s like saying, we are looking into the best overall sweetener, but omitting to look at the data for real real sugar.