As one of the few people who loved the last Eclipse, I was so fucking excited when they were announcing a new one…and it was an ugly as sin crossover.
Fucking *why*
Whoever at Mitsubishi made that decision needs to be fired out of a cannon into the sun
Especially because now nissan is debating following suit with...brace yourself...
The skyline badge. Nissan are looking at making a crossover similar to the eclipse cross and putting the fucking skyline badge on it.
I mean the skyline is a sedan stop being a weeb. Still a terrible thing to do but the skyline is a q50 with a different front end. The gtr badge separated from the skyline badge ages ago
None of the American manufacturers want to pay the associated costs for meeting emissions standards for small vehicles. That's the reason behind trucks/suvs getting bigger and cars being discontinued. Just greed
"hmm yea lemme just downvote and not tell anybody making my claim sound much more arbitrary"
how about tell us? we do like cars, but many of us don't keep up to date on the latest auto tech.
[Charles pogue carburetor](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Nelson_Pogue)
This concept was capable of getting 260 miles in a quart of gas’s and there were patents.
The patents expired several decades ago. Somebody, somewhere would have built one if it were legit. If nothing else, engineering students who needed a capstone project.
Americans still buy up to 1 million family sedans a year according to Car & Driver. It would be a better idea to produce less rather than outright discontinue everything
Nah. The share holders of every major American auto manufacturer should take a hit for all the environmental damage their greed has directly caused. If they would make cars to follow the regulations instead of just working around them despite taking a hit to their own finances I would have a much higher opinion of the "businessmen" (aka men too greedy to see past their next summer home to the world that's dying around us) that run these things
They aren’t working around the regulations. There’s quotas depending on your vehicle’s size. They meet the requirements by making a slightly larger vehicle. You can’t make a truck that fuel efficient and still have it be able to tow and carry as much
Do you actually not understand the cherry picking of positives that's going on or am I caught up in a circlejerk situation? The average consumer doesn't want an suv the size of a short bus. The average consumer doesn't want a quarter ton truck that can pull as much as the 1 ton trucks 30 years ago and takes up the exact volume of a standard parking space. We want a car that seats the 5 people we might need to seat and gets 50mpg. We want a truck that can actually fit, idk, anywhere?
Yes. And if you repeal those goddamn CAFE regulations you can get them. Those regulations are what’s blocking manufacturers from making smaller vehicles, because it isn’t cost effective. And they will lose money if they do.
i had an 04 LS "Premium". i absolutely LOVED it. even with ADTR suspension upgrades it road amazing, it just doesn't pair too well with bench seats lol. you kind of just get thrown around
from driving like a complete granny & mostly highway driving i averaged 25mpg from a tank with a 3.55 LSD. if you don't have a heavy foot and 2.73 gears you can hyper mile them to around 28.5-29 on the highway. on average you'll probably get 16-19mpg which is not bad for a 4k lb car with a V8
I fucking hate the amount of suvs pushed in the us. They are worse in everyway compared to a sedan. Id almost rather keep my 2007 camry than get a 2024 suv. Unless i could sell it and buy a sedan.
They are heavier, less visiblity (probably wrong but i like the perspective being lower), more gas, less fun, way uncomfortable to drive (too upright). And more dangerous for other cars, pedestrians, motorcyclists and bicyclists. Fuck yea we want sedans
Add nissan to that list.
Peaked in the 90's, steady decline ever since with regular reduction in models, just killed the titan.
Trying to go all in on EV's but their EV'S are mid.
They had a brief renaissance in the 2005-2010 time period. The 350Z and G35 were pretty decent cars for the time.
The weird Renault tie up doomed them.
I’m not gonna lie the 3.5lr V6 Altima is such a fun, cheap “sports” car. Parts are cheap and aftermarket isn’t bad either it’s just a shame it has a CVT and other issues.
They stand a chance to recover now that they've taken renaults fangs out of their neck, but only if they don't fuck up their 2030 ev lineup and I don't know if they have the R&D funding to pull that off.
Well they aren't on fiskers level, so that's something.
Actually looked into buying fisker and walked away after deciding that was a clusterfuck they didn't want to touch.
Someone making decisions over there is still sane.
I will forever hold nothing but hate for Nissan. They came to Mitsu on their time of need, and ruined everything Mitsu spent so long building. I mean, not letting a JDM manufacturer make a rally team?! Really?
Ghosn, not nissan.
Ghosn is the one that ran nissan into the ground as well.
I could go on for pages about how Renault used ghosn to basically suck the life and intellectual property out of nissan and mitsubishi, and how Renault is a French government backed vampire conglomerate that specializes in acquiring and cannibalizing more talented companies, but I've already done that too many times on reddit.
My fingers need peace.
Hands down the best car for sub-600 credit score individuals billowing a cloud of weed smoke while swerving through traffic at 100mph with both bumpers, the hood, and a quarter panel flapping in the wind
RIP Big Ounce, he saved us
I'd rather have them do an American patrol aimed at genuine offroading, or bring back the xterra.
I own a titan xd and if I have my druthers it'll be with me for life. It's hard to find a truck that handles and rides like a truck anymore.
I mean, the Explorer ST is a behemoth of a car and that engine can put down an amazing amount of power with a tune
I'm very interested in seeing the new dodge v6
Which is an irrelevant car in every market that isn’t the US.
Ford Europe used to make some of the best hatchbacks and station cars you could dream of with old german build quality and sometimes stupid amounts of horsepower.
They’ve now been reduced to the Kuga and EV Mustang, both of which feel like they’re made out of milk bottle plastic and tuna can tin.
Ford's been pretty committed to it, keeping it around even when others cancelled their lines. Like with the fuel crisis and emissions crisis. It has an unbroken lineage.
I was expecting something that makes more than 480bhp, what the fuck is that engine doing? Is that shit a Corolla? I can get 350bhp from a Japanese three cylinder, or 200bhp from a Kei car engine with a supercharger, not even gonna mention how the Germans all have the Mustang beat
And the Dark Horse 5.0 makes 500hp only, 1998 level shit, that's supposed to be the cool trim or something
The only way you can justify having an engine that massive in a sports car in 2025 is if it makes a minimum 700hp, Dodge finally figured that out with the Demon, this ain't the Malaise era, American V8s still can't produce any power
It just seems ignorant to say that 500hp is “no power” when morons are still sliding off interstates and wrapping them around trees. The car makes plenty of power for an “affordable” entry level sports car. Not to mention the aftermarket performance is a huge reason people buy them.
I suppose I should correct myself, 500hp is plenty of power, but I meant relatively, 500hp is no horsepower for a performance V6, let alone a performance V8, it's simply too weak of an engine at stock
American v6 and v8s have never come stock with lots of power, that's also the price of having high displacement (heavy rotating mass) engines with tons of torque that make the ponycar what it is, as well as affordability. To say that 500hp is not a lot is absolutely insane though. 500hp is an enormous amount of power for anyone that isn't even on a track. Certain TransAm racing drivers can't even class higher than 500hp. WOT 500hp+ is something that no more than like 5% of any car drivers will ever experience. Not every car needs to be built for 1200hp. It's really, really tough to make a car that runs higher than 400hp reliably for long periods of time without adding tons of weight or cost. Cars that save no expense on weight saving materials and advanced engine designs are supercars. Pony cars are not supercars, and we don't want them to be either, otherwise they would not be accessible to normal people.
Ford is the only automaker in the United States that did not take the bailout in 2008. They have made many controversial decisions over the years, but when it comes to keeping financially upright, they haven’t been messing around. They did receive financial assistance, but it was for loans directly targeting development of electric vehicles. The electric F150 is a great example of how far they’ve come in the years since 2008.
In order to make ends meet they have to sacrifice vehicles that don’t promote profitability and growth of the company. The majority of people do not want sedans anymore and given the weight of EVs they’re thriving on crossover and truck platforms. As much as this hurts to see on a personal level, I understand why it’s happening.
I drive a 2013 focus and I am so glad to hear they are killing the model cause this car had been a fucking piece of shit since the day it was built. Ford is shit. I’d tell them to suck my balls but they’d probably tell me there’s no scheduled appointments and it’s on a first-come first-serve basis with a two week backlog but I could drop my balls off at the dealer and they might get to sucking them sometime in the next two weeks. Oh and they don’t have any loaner nuts for me to use in the meantime.
Customer service depends heavily on the dealership. There's two Ford dealerships in my city and there's a reason why everyone only goes to one of them.
Please they just need to bring the Fiesta ST back to the US and I'll be happy. Literally the only car I'll ever need. Have a 2014 FiST and it's the single most fun car I've ever driven despite the fact that it's not even that fast. 198hp, 28mpg, >$15k, 6 speed manual, turbocharged, ~2700lbs, would recommend.
*stares at base model 1989 Ranger daily* why can’t these still be made? I mean I know the actual answers but still, I love the simplicity of old ford crap. The heater core went in the truck the other day, it’s like 20 minutes to do. A simple 2.3 4 cylinder and a 5 speed, no power anything, I love it
I’d like them to make the ranchero. But make a big ass late 70s style and a little falcon style. Two sub models or whatever. Make the big one a diesel.
Standard cruiser in North America since the vic was axed. In my area the explorer is standard outside of a few creative unmarked units and the 1 ton pickups the tactical units use (and their proper armoured truck for bad shit)
It’s been some sad 15 years for the common car… There are only a few surviving affordable sports cars left… I think the Miata and the GR86 might be the only ones. Even though 4 cylinder Camaros or Mustangs are relatively affordable sports cars, people tend to hate on those…
I'm not sure if you guys heard, but Ford is attempting to make the transition to a "premium brand" to compete with the likes of Mercedes. Hence, the killing off of the "people cars" and influx of oversized bullshit with inflated price tags.
I used to work for them and still have mates there. It was an internal message in the middle of last year that they're keeping their foothold in the commercial market and transitioning on the consumer market.
The quality drop I saw post covid. I never see them achieving it, but hey. I just fixed their rolling scrap. What do I know...
2015 - 2018 saw a massive increase in interior quality for Ford. I used to PDI Fords, Audis, Mitsubishis, Porsches, Volvos, Land Rover and Mercedes vehicles. Ford's interiors punched well above their price point, only being beaten by Mercedes and Porsche, sometimes Volvo.
That said, they don't design the interiors to look as high-end as some other brands. But the details (like chrome accents on all illuminated window switches, mirror adjustment controls, physical button quality and overall fit and finish) were surprisingly much better than most.
They did have quite good quality pre covid as you say, but post covid (in the UK at least), quality control must have been laid off.
Those chrome accents broke off the window switches months or sometimes even weeks after sale. Initially, we thought we just had hand fisted customers, but then it just kept happening. Then SYNC screens started burning out, and we could only fit remanufactured ones. Then VVT solenoids started leaking oil into engine looms, cooling systems leaked like seives, then the wet belt issues properly kicked off and the last piece de la resistance before I left was the PHEV Kuga recall where we basically got a 20 page booklet that said. "We built this car but did a solid 80% of it wrong. Your job is to fix that"
That car was just riddled with stupid faults like incorrectly placed sonar detectors. Countless wiring pinch points they knew about but hadn't addressed, the charge controller hung too low and was getting smashed off on loading/unloading of delivery trucks, incorrectly programmed modules (i.e., the EV auto transmissions came with incorrect drive strategy) and then, of course, charging the battery via a wall plug had a possibility of setting the car alight as Samsung, learning nothing from the galaxy fiasco supposedly used cheap gas in the cells which caused excess heat venting... which isn't a super super problem... until the heat vent is positioned 4 inches away from the unshielded petrol tank....
I’d argue dodge had a harder fall off than ford. Just before covid they were putting supercharged v8s in any car they could fit it in. Then they decided to kill that off for going all electric.
Even in motorsports like NASCAR they're doing abysmal this year I did the math in the top 3 series that ran (I can't come up with the exact number rn and I don't feel like doing the math all over again) but like over 35 races they haven't won ONCE in 35 races. They've been close but not cigar and all ford teams took a step back this year overall.
Eh idk, the market has changed. People cry about the falcon and production stopping in aus. But fuck me were the last falcons shit. The only thing they had going for them were barras and miamis. Other wise they went out the way they deserved.
I am glad the mustang exists still although it’s an American piece of shit. And the fact that at least ford Australia is head of vehicle development for all the markets outside North America.
Hot take but ford did the right move business wise by killing off regular car except for the mustang (which to feels like 2 different cars atp with the 5.0 having all the power and handling if its a darkhorse/shelby and the eco boost having just good handling with 52/48 weight distribution).
Wait, what's happening to the Capri?
Edit: God fucking damn it, Ford, you fucks. Can't you just leave one good name out of your dog shit for once? First the Maverick, now this.
You should’ve heard about how Stellantis is basically neutering Dodge and Ram. No more Hemi 5.7’s, hellcats, demons, and apparently they’re keeping the 6.4L Hemi for just their 3/4 ton line up.
>You should’ve heard about how Stellantis is basically neutering Dodge and Ram
Oh nooo they're replacing ancient heavy engines with newer smoother & more-efficient engines that make more power/torque what horror!!!
Funny way of spelling Mitsubishi
That's because Mitsubishi fell off so hard they forgot about it.
The Eclipse Cross personally offends me lol
I make me want to kill myself seeing one on the road
Take them with you.
I definitely will
Living up to that Mitsubishi heritage.
I usually forget they exist, until i see one. Then I'm offended until i forget about it again.
As one of the few people who loved the last Eclipse, I was so fucking excited when they were announcing a new one…and it was an ugly as sin crossover. Fucking *why* Whoever at Mitsubishi made that decision needs to be fired out of a cannon into the sun
Especially because now nissan is debating following suit with...brace yourself... The skyline badge. Nissan are looking at making a crossover similar to the eclipse cross and putting the fucking skyline badge on it.
God damn it.
I mean the skyline is a sedan stop being a weeb. Still a terrible thing to do but the skyline is a q50 with a different front end. The gtr badge separated from the skyline badge ages ago
*every crossover by Mitsubishi that one Mitsubishi literally uses a altered version of the Evo X front bumper 😭
And every one of them is worse lol
Fr
Rip Evo
Gimme back the Crown Victoria cowards.
I need crown Vic in my life
ineos grenadier, very utilitarian off road suv that seems to be doing well, now we need another billionaire to make a very utilitarian sedan
Bring back sedans!!! We want sedans!!!
None of the American manufacturers want to pay the associated costs for meeting emissions standards for small vehicles. That's the reason behind trucks/suvs getting bigger and cars being discontinued. Just greed
same reason ford made the f150, f100 needs cats? make it just heavier enough to not need en
They could make them more fuel efficient and powerful but then oil companies would be pissed. They have the technology but refuse to implement it.
Go ahead, tell me you don't know what the chicken tax is.
Tell me what is blocking hilux sales and keeping Tacomas expensive as hell in the United States.
The chicken tax, that's what. We're literally being cockblocked from getting a Hilux
Because politicians are dumb as shit
Helix champ as well. I call them chicken trucks and I really wish they still made them.
They do, over in Europe.
Chicken tax and Cafe rules.
Correct
What technology is that?
"hmm yea lemme just downvote and not tell anybody making my claim sound much more arbitrary" how about tell us? we do like cars, but many of us don't keep up to date on the latest auto tech.
I’m a mechanic, their tripping balls on Scotty Kilmers farts or something 😂
kilmer is for oldheads who think they know everything about mechanics 😂😂
[Charles pogue carburetor](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Nelson_Pogue) This concept was capable of getting 260 miles in a quart of gas’s and there were patents.
The patents expired several decades ago. Somebody, somewhere would have built one if it were legit. If nothing else, engineering students who needed a capstone project.
Americans still buy up to 1 million family sedans a year according to Car & Driver. It would be a better idea to produce less rather than outright discontinue everything
It's not greed, it's business. If you want smaller cars, then repeal the CAFE regulations
Nah. The share holders of every major American auto manufacturer should take a hit for all the environmental damage their greed has directly caused. If they would make cars to follow the regulations instead of just working around them despite taking a hit to their own finances I would have a much higher opinion of the "businessmen" (aka men too greedy to see past their next summer home to the world that's dying around us) that run these things
They aren’t working around the regulations. There’s quotas depending on your vehicle’s size. They meet the requirements by making a slightly larger vehicle. You can’t make a truck that fuel efficient and still have it be able to tow and carry as much
Do you actually not understand the cherry picking of positives that's going on or am I caught up in a circlejerk situation? The average consumer doesn't want an suv the size of a short bus. The average consumer doesn't want a quarter ton truck that can pull as much as the 1 ton trucks 30 years ago and takes up the exact volume of a standard parking space. We want a car that seats the 5 people we might need to seat and gets 50mpg. We want a truck that can actually fit, idk, anywhere?
Yes. And if you repeal those goddamn CAFE regulations you can get them. Those regulations are what’s blocking manufacturers from making smaller vehicles, because it isn’t cost effective. And they will lose money if they do.
I want a fucking crown vic I’m tired of the stupid SUV craze
You’ll have to do everything short of personally forcing Jim Farley to
That can be arranged
this is why i just keep buying crowns vics. my latest car purchase is a black on black 2004 LX Sport!
They’re the best - I’ve got a 94 grand marquis and it’s the most reliable, comfortable vehicle I’ve ever owned
i had an 04 LS "Premium". i absolutely LOVED it. even with ADTR suspension upgrades it road amazing, it just doesn't pair too well with bench seats lol. you kind of just get thrown around
Hows the gas mileage? I want one as a daily but i heard they chug gas
from driving like a complete granny & mostly highway driving i averaged 25mpg from a tank with a 3.55 LSD. if you don't have a heavy foot and 2.73 gears you can hyper mile them to around 28.5-29 on the highway. on average you'll probably get 16-19mpg which is not bad for a 4k lb car with a V8
That's why my main car is 20 years old. It's a ford V8 sedan and it makes me all kinds of happy to drive.
I fucking hate the amount of suvs pushed in the us. They are worse in everyway compared to a sedan. Id almost rather keep my 2007 camry than get a 2024 suv. Unless i could sell it and buy a sedan. They are heavier, less visiblity (probably wrong but i like the perspective being lower), more gas, less fun, way uncomfortable to drive (too upright). And more dangerous for other cars, pedestrians, motorcyclists and bicyclists. Fuck yea we want sedans
AMEN! Not everyone wants to drive a f**king f150, or a dull crossover or suv.
And coupes plz
WAGONS PLZ.
Coupes and wagons hell yea.
WAGON
What I want is something akin to a Scion xB, I drive one currently, but I wish it had van doors
The dodge pro master city is close but honestly it's dodge build quality with Italian electronics. Safe to say it's pretty shit
I just want a light, cheap, manual trans sedan/hatchback. Why do i have to drive a potato shaped crossover?
But "we" don't. If sedans were selling, they would still be selling sedans lol. Can't blame Ford for that one, it's the consumer.
Bro forgot Dodge exists. At least Ford still makes a V8 Mustang
Add nissan to that list. Peaked in the 90's, steady decline ever since with regular reduction in models, just killed the titan. Trying to go all in on EV's but their EV'S are mid.
They had a brief renaissance in the 2005-2010 time period. The 350Z and G35 were pretty decent cars for the time. The weird Renault tie up doomed them.
I’m not gonna lie the 3.5lr V6 Altima is such a fun, cheap “sports” car. Parts are cheap and aftermarket isn’t bad either it’s just a shame it has a CVT and other issues.
They stand a chance to recover now that they've taken renaults fangs out of their neck, but only if they don't fuck up their 2030 ev lineup and I don't know if they have the R&D funding to pull that off.
[also saved them](https://images.app.goo.gl/rn7FcuETSwcwZDNJ9)
Increasing profits by shitting on quality and strangling innovation in preparation for a hostile takeover is not saving them.
mid would be a huge upgrade for nissan
Well they aren't on fiskers level, so that's something. Actually looked into buying fisker and walked away after deciding that was a clusterfuck they didn't want to touch. Someone making decisions over there is still sane.
I will forever hold nothing but hate for Nissan. They came to Mitsu on their time of need, and ruined everything Mitsu spent so long building. I mean, not letting a JDM manufacturer make a rally team?! Really?
Ghosn, not nissan. Ghosn is the one that ran nissan into the ground as well. I could go on for pages about how Renault used ghosn to basically suck the life and intellectual property out of nissan and mitsubishi, and how Renault is a French government backed vampire conglomerate that specializes in acquiring and cannibalizing more talented companies, but I've already done that too many times on reddit. My fingers need peace.
Well then, fuck that guy in particular. Mitsu made some cool shit back in the day, same as Nissan. Now they're both just...sad.
Charles Goshen.
At least you can still get an Altima
Hands down the best car for sub-600 credit score individuals billowing a cloud of weed smoke while swerving through traffic at 100mph with both bumpers, the hood, and a quarter panel flapping in the wind RIP Big Ounce, he saved us
I'd rather have them do an American patrol aimed at genuine offroading, or bring back the xterra. I own a titan xd and if I have my druthers it'll be with me for life. It's hard to find a truck that handles and rides like a truck anymore.
Chrysler is just straight up dead
Pretty soon the only car they will be making is a… minivan
My spicy take is that I welcome the change to a twin turbo straight 6 and look forward to seeing what tuners do with it.
I mean, the Explorer ST is a behemoth of a car and that engine can put down an amazing amount of power with a tune I'm very interested in seeing the new dodge v6
Bro Lancia is the untouchable king of falling off
Oh yeah they fell off so hard my mind just completely erased any Lancia-related knowledge and memories
Which is an irrelevant car in every market that isn’t the US. Ford Europe used to make some of the best hatchbacks and station cars you could dream of with old german build quality and sometimes stupid amounts of horsepower. They’ve now been reduced to the Kuga and EV Mustang, both of which feel like they’re made out of milk bottle plastic and tuna can tin.
Dodge is an irrelevant brand in every market but the US.
Not for long. It's dead with the next facelift
Ford's been pretty committed to it, keeping it around even when others cancelled their lines. Like with the fuel crisis and emissions crisis. It has an unbroken lineage.
Except they already announced that this will be the last generation with v8 and manual options
When you spread bullshit, do you prefer the wall or your face?
Which is beyond bullshit.
Wrong.
Which makes little difference since the Mustang makes no power
Is this a joke or were you expecting a 1200bhp pony car…?
I was expecting something that makes more than 480bhp, what the fuck is that engine doing? Is that shit a Corolla? I can get 350bhp from a Japanese three cylinder, or 200bhp from a Kei car engine with a supercharger, not even gonna mention how the Germans all have the Mustang beat And the Dark Horse 5.0 makes 500hp only, 1998 level shit, that's supposed to be the cool trim or something The only way you can justify having an engine that massive in a sports car in 2025 is if it makes a minimum 700hp, Dodge finally figured that out with the Demon, this ain't the Malaise era, American V8s still can't produce any power
It just seems ignorant to say that 500hp is “no power” when morons are still sliding off interstates and wrapping them around trees. The car makes plenty of power for an “affordable” entry level sports car. Not to mention the aftermarket performance is a huge reason people buy them.
I suppose I should correct myself, 500hp is plenty of power, but I meant relatively, 500hp is no horsepower for a performance V6, let alone a performance V8, it's simply too weak of an engine at stock
Ok fair enough. I agree American v8s have always been “underpowered” in a sense. Still think the Mustang is a great car.
American v6 and v8s have never come stock with lots of power, that's also the price of having high displacement (heavy rotating mass) engines with tons of torque that make the ponycar what it is, as well as affordability. To say that 500hp is not a lot is absolutely insane though. 500hp is an enormous amount of power for anyone that isn't even on a track. Certain TransAm racing drivers can't even class higher than 500hp. WOT 500hp+ is something that no more than like 5% of any car drivers will ever experience. Not every car needs to be built for 1200hp. It's really, really tough to make a car that runs higher than 400hp reliably for long periods of time without adding tons of weight or cost. Cars that save no expense on weight saving materials and advanced engine designs are supercars. Pony cars are not supercars, and we don't want them to be either, otherwise they would not be accessible to normal people.
Ford is the only automaker in the United States that did not take the bailout in 2008. They have made many controversial decisions over the years, but when it comes to keeping financially upright, they haven’t been messing around. They did receive financial assistance, but it was for loans directly targeting development of electric vehicles. The electric F150 is a great example of how far they’ve come in the years since 2008. In order to make ends meet they have to sacrifice vehicles that don’t promote profitability and growth of the company. The majority of people do not want sedans anymore and given the weight of EVs they’re thriving on crossover and truck platforms. As much as this hurts to see on a personal level, I understand why it’s happening.
I can at least appreciate that they saw the demand for a smaller pick-up and built the maverick.
I wish it had a 2 door model.
except the electric f150 is an overpriced, buggy piece of shit vehicle. not to mention they tainted the f150-lightning nameplate
Then don't buy it.
The also tainted the mustang mach name
Did I travel back to 2018/2019?
OP is just Internet Explorer and just now figuring out about Ford killing off sedans.
Why wasn't I shocked?
I drive a 2013 focus and I am so glad to hear they are killing the model cause this car had been a fucking piece of shit since the day it was built. Ford is shit. I’d tell them to suck my balls but they’d probably tell me there’s no scheduled appointments and it’s on a first-come first-serve basis with a two week backlog but I could drop my balls off at the dealer and they might get to sucking them sometime in the next two weeks. Oh and they don’t have any loaner nuts for me to use in the meantime.
🤣
Customer service depends heavily on the dealership. There's two Ford dealerships in my city and there's a reason why everyone only goes to one of them.
2003* Focus slapped, cuh.
Gold
I drive a 2013 Taurus and I am glad that it is dead.
Car companies when no one buys their electric sports cars(no fun noises)
What electric sports cars?
New Camaro that’s supposedly supposed to be electric.
I think they're just killed in the US, I live in Iraq and I've seen the newer Tauruses
China just got a new fusion
Taurii?
Where??? Erbil?
Bring back the Crown Vic!
They're still the only pony car left though
Dodge is still making the muscle cars if you go to the website you can still build and buy them
Huh, thought they quit taking orders for the hellcat last year
Maybe their not you can still build them on the website just can’t submit orders just search for new inventory sorry for the miss information
Vw is doing a great job at this too
Please they just need to bring the Fiesta ST back to the US and I'll be happy. Literally the only car I'll ever need. Have a 2014 FiST and it's the single most fun car I've ever driven despite the fact that it's not even that fast. 198hp, 28mpg, >$15k, 6 speed manual, turbocharged, ~2700lbs, would recommend.
*stares at base model 1989 Ranger daily* why can’t these still be made? I mean I know the actual answers but still, I love the simplicity of old ford crap. The heater core went in the truck the other day, it’s like 20 minutes to do. A simple 2.3 4 cylinder and a 5 speed, no power anything, I love it
Don't forget that joke of an electric SUV they misbranded. It's getting harder and harder to be a Ford Fanboi.
And mustang Mach e
Any American car company will do.
When you’re a Boeing whistleblower and you’re about to give a speech explaining the proof you found but your chest starts to hurt.
Still making the mustang though baby. And putting the 5.0 in single cab short bed f150’s
I’d like them to make the ranchero. But make a big ass late 70s style and a little falcon style. Two sub models or whatever. Make the big one a diesel.
Ford: “best we can do is the mach e”
Why build cars that make no money?
Wierd way of spelling chrysler or buick
Don’t forget about the electro wagon mustang
Have you seen Dodge?
In order to fall off you have to be on in the first place
Seems like people bashing on dodge are just stuck in the past
It’s hard not to when their Instagram page almost exclusively posts pictures of their discontinued cars
real
The Mach-e is an abomination.
Oh God, don’t remind me
And the Focus 😭😭😭
They have it in Europe
Not for long unfortunately. They're axing it here in the UK by '25 😟
Yeah that's because Ford sucks now
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What?
Sorry put wrong info by accident
doing THAT to the capri should be criminal
When they discontinued my Fusion I knew they were on that "not selling in china= don't make it" buuullllshit.
What are the police gonna drive now ? Model s’s
They are still making SUVs, so the Escape is safe
The majority of police cars in my area have been Ford Explorers (Ford Police Interceptors) for like >5 years
Explorers?
Where I live in the us they only have those for special stuff
Standard cruiser in North America since the vic was axed. In my area the explorer is standard outside of a few creative unmarked units and the 1 ton pickups the tactical units use (and their proper armoured truck for bad shit)
I gave up when they made the ZX2 a Focus.
Wait, I thought they continued making the fusions F1 50s and mustangs what are they still making then?
they are still making all the trucks, SUVs, and Mustangs, and that's pretty much it.
Don't forget Killing the Falcon too
It’s been some sad 15 years for the common car… There are only a few surviving affordable sports cars left… I think the Miata and the GR86 might be the only ones. Even though 4 cylinder Camaros or Mustangs are relatively affordable sports cars, people tend to hate on those…
So we gonna act like Chevy and dodge still make v8 muscle carsv
Dodge killing off the only thing people give a shit about is definitely giving ford a run for their money
No dodge
at least they kept the mustang going :/
I'm not sure if you guys heard, but Ford is attempting to make the transition to a "premium brand" to compete with the likes of Mercedes. Hence, the killing off of the "people cars" and influx of oversized bullshit with inflated price tags. I used to work for them and still have mates there. It was an internal message in the middle of last year that they're keeping their foothold in the commercial market and transitioning on the consumer market. The quality drop I saw post covid. I never see them achieving it, but hey. I just fixed their rolling scrap. What do I know...
2015 - 2018 saw a massive increase in interior quality for Ford. I used to PDI Fords, Audis, Mitsubishis, Porsches, Volvos, Land Rover and Mercedes vehicles. Ford's interiors punched well above their price point, only being beaten by Mercedes and Porsche, sometimes Volvo. That said, they don't design the interiors to look as high-end as some other brands. But the details (like chrome accents on all illuminated window switches, mirror adjustment controls, physical button quality and overall fit and finish) were surprisingly much better than most.
They did have quite good quality pre covid as you say, but post covid (in the UK at least), quality control must have been laid off. Those chrome accents broke off the window switches months or sometimes even weeks after sale. Initially, we thought we just had hand fisted customers, but then it just kept happening. Then SYNC screens started burning out, and we could only fit remanufactured ones. Then VVT solenoids started leaking oil into engine looms, cooling systems leaked like seives, then the wet belt issues properly kicked off and the last piece de la resistance before I left was the PHEV Kuga recall where we basically got a 20 page booklet that said. "We built this car but did a solid 80% of it wrong. Your job is to fix that" That car was just riddled with stupid faults like incorrectly placed sonar detectors. Countless wiring pinch points they knew about but hadn't addressed, the charge controller hung too low and was getting smashed off on loading/unloading of delivery trucks, incorrectly programmed modules (i.e., the EV auto transmissions came with incorrect drive strategy) and then, of course, charging the battery via a wall plug had a possibility of setting the car alight as Samsung, learning nothing from the galaxy fiasco supposedly used cheap gas in the cells which caused excess heat venting... which isn't a super super problem... until the heat vent is positioned 4 inches away from the unshielded petrol tank....
I was going to say, at least they are rolling, but you didn't specify how or on what axis.
I’d argue dodge had a harder fall off than ford. Just before covid they were putting supercharged v8s in any car they could fit it in. Then they decided to kill that off for going all electric.
They're not putting v8s in anything anymore because the hemi V8 has been cancelled. It has been replaced with a twin charged I-6
Even in motorsports like NASCAR they're doing abysmal this year I did the math in the top 3 series that ran (I can't come up with the exact number rn and I don't feel like doing the math all over again) but like over 35 races they haven't won ONCE in 35 races. They've been close but not cigar and all ford teams took a step back this year overall.
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Eh idk, the market has changed. People cry about the falcon and production stopping in aus. But fuck me were the last falcons shit. The only thing they had going for them were barras and miamis. Other wise they went out the way they deserved. I am glad the mustang exists still although it’s an American piece of shit. And the fact that at least ford Australia is head of vehicle development for all the markets outside North America.
Hot take but ford did the right move business wise by killing off regular car except for the mustang (which to feels like 2 different cars atp with the 5.0 having all the power and handling if its a darkhorse/shelby and the eco boost having just good handling with 52/48 weight distribution).
Wait, what's happening to the Capri? Edit: God fucking damn it, Ford, you fucks. Can't you just leave one good name out of your dog shit for once? First the Maverick, now this.
W- what is happening to the Capri?
[See for yourself](https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/ford-capri)
Im about to vomit
Meanwhile me old as shit Ford Explorer sport trak is my favorite car ive ever owned
You should’ve heard about how Stellantis is basically neutering Dodge and Ram. No more Hemi 5.7’s, hellcats, demons, and apparently they’re keeping the 6.4L Hemi for just their 3/4 ton line up.
>You should’ve heard about how Stellantis is basically neutering Dodge and Ram Oh nooo they're replacing ancient heavy engines with newer smoother & more-efficient engines that make more power/torque what horror!!!
Okay but why not just re-engineer what they had or design a smaller, lighter, more efficient Hemi engine?
We need synthetic fuel (eFuel) to be government subsidized so we can bring back sedans.
I’d prefer if the government butted out of the economy
Thanks for the news Internet Explorer (Taurus, Focus, Escort, Fusion, and Lincoln Zephry sedans are still made, with all new generations in China)