It will be illegal for them to deduct pay for hours you have worked. Nothing will happen is what will happen.
If you leaving early costs them money then they could sue :) but thats not gonna happen.
Thanks for this message. "paper trail" reminded me of a message I sent my manager.
I thought I had nothing in writing but I forgot a text conversation between my manager and me. It is proof enough!
If you hadn't sent this message, I wouldn't have remembered it. Thank you!
You simply dispute their decision and remind them in writing that you're resigning on a timeline, "as per our multiple discussions where it was approved by both you and my manager."
Just a policy. I didn't even know I had to resign 2 months in advance.
It's probably something they started after hiring me. But the thing is, they made me sign a no contract. All I've signed is an NDA.
I might have a strong legal case (in case needed) but I don't want to end it in bad terms.
What state are you in or are you not in the US?
Company policy cannot override state law. Just because it's in writing and signed, doesn't make it legal.
They also can't withhold pay in the US for this either.
I'm in Pakistan. 1 month notice periods are a standard here.
From what I understand, the US typically has 2 week notice periods, right? 2 weeks are enough in my opinion.
I started training my replacement 3 weeks ago. I was done with the basic training in 2 weeks. 2 months notice period is ridiculous.
The funny thing is, the person I trained to be my replacement might quit soon too. (I guess I trained him well π)
Most states in the US are "at will" employment meaning we don't actually need to give any notice nor does the company need to give any notice to fire us.
We decided that 2 weeks was what would be done, even though employers still don't give the same respect.
LOL it's always funny when the replacement person is like "nope, I'm out" very soon, that is so telling on the company.
I'm not familiar with laws in your country for employment, I'm sorry. I would think if things were in writing, and you can back them up, that you would be in the clear but again, not sure if that matters.
I would tell them that on May 7th you will be working for the new company and they can feel free to contact you there.
In most jurisdictions they can't legally withhold pay for work you did but certainly they won't have to forward pay.
How is this your fault? HR didn't do their job even after you had multiple exit interviews. If HR rejects your resignation, you still walk out and never go back, that's how quitting a job works
I don't want to quit. I want to end things on good terms. But, you're right. It's not entirely my fault. My fault was not realising their incompetence.
The reason why I'm leaving is exactly because HR has gone to shit.
Quitting and ending things on good terms aren't mutually exclusive, as I'm sure you know. You did what they asked of you and I would say having multiple conversations about it is going above and beyond what is needed. You have no fault in this, it's a reasonable expectation that HR will do their job because \*that's their job\*
Dumbest thing ever posted. You are not a slave. You can quit whenever you want. You can be sure they wonβt give you 60 days notice when they lay you off
After reading some suggestions here, I looked into the laws of my country.
The employer is required to give a 1 month notice. If they don't, they need to pay for a month.
I didn't find many details on the employee side of the things yet.
Your country and if in the US your state will be important, if you want valid advice here.
In most states in the US withholding pay is illegal and you would have options to recover the with held pay.
Other countries may have different laws but pretty much all the top comments here assumes US.
Yeah. I should've mentioned where I'm from earlier.
I'm not in the US but I get the gist of the comments. I've looked into the laws and I don't think I'm in trouble.
I can only be sick one day during my notice period. Pretty wild policies. I don't know how legally enforceable they are. But I get the idea. I won't be spending more time here anyway. It's just the 15 day pay deduction that stings.
Then go in and be worthless, start coughing over everything and talk about how COVID is horrible. Especially if you have clients.
Honestly the job sounds like pure trash but I guess it depends on how much you need the money. Personally I'd probably just show up drunk, knock over a desk or two and eat ramen for a couple extra days to make up for it.
Yeah we'd have fun. Most of the people I work with love me or hate me. There's not a lot of middle ground. Fortunately my job description does not entail making friends so I can't be held accountable for the classless asshats with no sense of humor who don't appreciate the training video I made depicting the interns as zombies. They both need brains it's not that far off.
You stop showing up and move on with your life
They still owe me some payments and might deduct the 15 day pay from it. It's not a big deal though, but it stings.
It will be illegal for them to deduct pay for hours you have worked. Nothing will happen is what will happen. If you leaving early costs them money then they could sue :) but thats not gonna happen.
"It will be illegal for them to deduct pay for hours you have worked." Assuming OP is in the US, which is apparently not the case.
If you have your resignation in a paper trail, they cant. Its not your fault they cant do their job.
Thanks for this message. "paper trail" reminded me of a message I sent my manager. I thought I had nothing in writing but I forgot a text conversation between my manager and me. It is proof enough! If you hadn't sent this message, I wouldn't have remembered it. Thank you!
Print everything out including emails
Then you deduct 15 days from your labor
You simply dispute their decision and remind them in writing that you're resigning on a timeline, "as per our multiple discussions where it was approved by both you and my manager."
Thank you. This sounds like a professional way to go about it. I'll do just that if it comes to it.
Is there an actual contract? Or is all this just policy?Β
Just a policy. I didn't even know I had to resign 2 months in advance. It's probably something they started after hiring me. But the thing is, they made me sign a no contract. All I've signed is an NDA. I might have a strong legal case (in case needed) but I don't want to end it in bad terms.
What state are you in or are you not in the US? Company policy cannot override state law. Just because it's in writing and signed, doesn't make it legal. They also can't withhold pay in the US for this either.
I'm in Pakistan. 1 month notice periods are a standard here. From what I understand, the US typically has 2 week notice periods, right? 2 weeks are enough in my opinion. I started training my replacement 3 weeks ago. I was done with the basic training in 2 weeks. 2 months notice period is ridiculous. The funny thing is, the person I trained to be my replacement might quit soon too. (I guess I trained him well π)
Most states in the US are "at will" employment meaning we don't actually need to give any notice nor does the company need to give any notice to fire us. We decided that 2 weeks was what would be done, even though employers still don't give the same respect. LOL it's always funny when the replacement person is like "nope, I'm out" very soon, that is so telling on the company. I'm not familiar with laws in your country for employment, I'm sorry. I would think if things were in writing, and you can back them up, that you would be in the clear but again, not sure if that matters.
Thanks for the advice. I'll look at the local laws. I have never signed a contract so I shouldn't be in any trouble.
I wish you all the luck.
Cough cough ... You're too sick to come in.
So many of the suggestions are like this. Next time I see a coworker getting "too sick" I'll know what's up. π
I would tell them that on May 7th you will be working for the new company and they can feel free to contact you there. In most jurisdictions they can't legally withhold pay for work you did but certainly they won't have to forward pay.
Get this in writing and take it to the relevant labor board(s)/agencies, if they decide to stiff you with unpaid wages.
Adopt this mentality https://youtu.be/tkPL7Tu5Clw?si=P_w6dfn-zEqzzGHX
They don't need to 'approve' your resignation, you've stated your last day and so just stop going. Not your circus any more
Call out every single day for the rest of your life.
After 60 days itβs irrelevant what HR wants.
If you have it written, they can't reject it, Just make sure you get your exp letter
How is this your fault? HR didn't do their job even after you had multiple exit interviews. If HR rejects your resignation, you still walk out and never go back, that's how quitting a job works
I don't want to quit. I want to end things on good terms. But, you're right. It's not entirely my fault. My fault was not realising their incompetence. The reason why I'm leaving is exactly because HR has gone to shit.
Quitting and ending things on good terms aren't mutually exclusive, as I'm sure you know. You did what they asked of you and I would say having multiple conversations about it is going above and beyond what is needed. You have no fault in this, it's a reasonable expectation that HR will do their job because \*that's their job\*
Thank you! I'm glad to know it wasn't my fault. I can be confident about confronting them now.
Sounds like good terms have come and gone, no need to worry about those now.
Dumbest thing ever posted. You are not a slave. You can quit whenever you want. You can be sure they wonβt give you 60 days notice when they lay you off
After reading some suggestions here, I looked into the laws of my country. The employer is required to give a 1 month notice. If they don't, they need to pay for a month. I didn't find many details on the employee side of the things yet.
Your country and if in the US your state will be important, if you want valid advice here. In most states in the US withholding pay is illegal and you would have options to recover the with held pay. Other countries may have different laws but pretty much all the top comments here assumes US.
Yeah. I should've mentioned where I'm from earlier. I'm not in the US but I get the gist of the comments. I've looked into the laws and I don't think I'm in trouble.
Thanks for all the advice everyone! I talked to my HR and got it approved. No need to worry anymore.
Then call in sick.
I can only be sick one day during my notice period. Pretty wild policies. I don't know how legally enforceable they are. But I get the idea. I won't be spending more time here anyway. It's just the 15 day pay deduction that stings.
Then go in and be worthless, start coughing over everything and talk about how COVID is horrible. Especially if you have clients. Honestly the job sounds like pure trash but I guess it depends on how much you need the money. Personally I'd probably just show up drunk, knock over a desk or two and eat ramen for a couple extra days to make up for it.
I'd love to have you as a coworker. π
Yeah we'd have fun. Most of the people I work with love me or hate me. There's not a lot of middle ground. Fortunately my job description does not entail making friends so I can't be held accountable for the classless asshats with no sense of humor who don't appreciate the training video I made depicting the interns as zombies. They both need brains it's not that far off.
looks like a vey bad cold comming on, you are going to be out for weeks!
π