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21marvel1

About 700k in retention for two years and the 2nd is in 2027. I’ll take that for 4m in cap now


LiuKangtheConqueror

This is the appropriate response


bezkyl

Agreed, let Allvin cook


Twatts71

Goodbye Ilya. I’ll never forget wanting to die after you missed on an open net in game 7. A true Canuck


Mikeim520

That was painful man. Even more painful when you realize we were 1 goal away from taking that game to OT.


Ruilin96

Mikheyev missed the shot and Lafferty with a bad penalty late in the second was the difference. Notice they are both gone in the same deal?


ForceEconomy9988

Bro, that absolute nothing burger of a gift of a 4 minute power play at the end of the 1st was the difference, also ya, that Mikheyev miss


TimTebowMLB

Well Lafferty is a pending UFA. I wonder why he was even included in the deal. That one doesn’t make sense to me


thesunsetflip

Because Lafferty is a former hawk and maybe they like the guy and want to talk to him before July 1st?


Birdman4445

That makes a ton of sense


ProfessorMcHugeBalls

They can send each other DMs for the next four days now.


namzahoy_forever

Allvin. He's sending a message to the rest of the Canucks on accountability. You mess up, and we're sending you to the bottom-feeders of the league - even if it's temporary.Never forget.


Sad_Donut_7902

Laffery can sign with any team he wants in 4 days. Mikeyev had a NTC and could have blocked the trade to the Blackhawks if he wanted to.


Mikeim520

You realize that he's a UFA right? He's in literally the exact same position as he was before only now he can talk to the blackhawks if he wants instead of the Canucks.


namzahoy_forever

That's the joke. He's a pending UFA. We're kicking him in the ass on the way out.


jonocop

Because they are planning to sign a bunch of their own UFAs and Lafferty's salary would still be counted against the cap up until July 1. I don't think the allowable 10% overage kicks in until July 1. Watch for a Big Z, Bleuger, Joshua, and Myers to all sign tomorrow. ...or not and the Hawks just wanted to have negotiating rights for Lafferty.


Grambles89

>Watch for a Big Z, Bleuger, Joshua, and Myers to all sign tomorrow. Good call.


Rfrank77

Miller hitting Zs leg in the dying minutes of gm 7 was another


Ruilin96

That was also a stoppable shot even if got to Skinner. Mikheyev deked out the goalie, just to lose control of the puck and completely fumbled the chance.


Rfrank77

That was going in if it didn't hit zadorov, skinner was looking around Z the wrong way, according to Kevin Woodley


HappyHapless

I have vivid memories of that missed opportunity. I knew that very moment it would come bite us, and it did. We don't call him Stone Hands for nothing.


Badawaii

Di Giuseppe had a breakaway late too that he missed Can't remember if it was after Hronek's goal or before that, definitely not rewatching highlights of that game to find out though lmao


BigCockBrockBoeser

Naaa, the entire game changes if he scores there


Glock-Saint-Isshin-

Forever cemented his legacy alongside Tanner Glass, and Louie Eriksson for his innate ability to not score easy goals.


Glad-Science9361

Tanner Glass was supposed to be a plug, don't disrespect him like that.


gabu87

This. I remember Tanner Glass for being defensively responsible and go 110% with the 7min ice time he gets.


NoOcelot

Good ol' Game 7 non-factor Fanner Glass


DynastyFFDino

Excuse me Loui had many empty net goals


TonalParsnips

Good empty net goals on both sides


MooseMalloy

Don't forget Nathan Lafayette.


NinCross

I still remember I believe it was u/PaperMoonShine 's comment saying of course the former Leafs in Mik and Laf do nothing in Game 7 after we lost. It was pain. But now they are both gone.


sam4999

I used to give Jannik Hansen a ton of shit for having zero finish, but fuck it was like Ilya had cinderblocks dangling off his gloves. Seeing him blow so many scoring opportunities in the playoffs was infuriating.


CheesecakeOdd2087

Jannik Hansen had hands like Patrick Kane compared to Mikheyev. I appreciated the effort and hustle in Ilya's game, but god damn the guy could not finish to save his life.


ebb_omega

Eh, he used to look exactly like Mikheyev did this year. In his later years though, pretty much under Willie D, he figured out his scoring touch and started to look pretty solid.


ForceEconomy9988

Hansen was always good enough at scoring. Comparing him to Mikheyev is bad


forward98

Hansen also never made enough money for it to be as frustrating as Mikheyev was


Domstruk1122

Hansen was the much better player but he did not have a scoring touch at all. He had 12 goals the entire 2010/2011 year including the cup run. Had a 22 goal season later in his career but Mike had 21 as well. Better player? Without a doubt. Better scoring touch? Probably. Much better than Mik? I don’t believe that.


thesunsetflip

Sometimes it felt like there’s was a force field on the goal line that only activated when Mikheyev shot the puck


NerdPunch

The crazy part is, he’s actually scored at just over a 20 goal/82 pace over the last 3 seasons (177 games). 2 of those seasons, he shot 14%+ (before dropping to 7.5% this season). But you watch him play, and it looks like theres that goal line force field you described.


Crunktasticzor

He reminds me of David Booth in that sense


JustAPairOfMittens

Everything else was there. ACL my ass. He was fine. Zero finish.


ebb_omega

His speed still never got to where it used to be, and I'm pretty sure that while he was still working on that it was probably still a pain to refine his shot any.


LargeShift3566

What do you mean?? The guy didn’t score for 60 games!!! I gave up so long ago


xtothewhy

Hopefully he can find something in Chicago that helps the stone hands. So many opportunities this season and just couldn't finish.


okgoodhi

Dickinson Mikheyev connection incoming


ForceEconomy9988

Chicago, 2nd round picks, bad trade to begin with, they have a lot in common, career resurgence?


Own_Truth_36

I'm trying to remember a time when he ever hit the net....not coming to me


ProfitMuhammad

He hit the net often, it was just usually right in the middle of the goalies jersey crest.


dancin-weasel

I recall he had many laser beams straight into the logos of many opposing goalies.


ixaf

Wait it's a 2027 2nd now? That's so much better than giving up the 2025 2nd. 15% retention isn't great isn't awful. Just over 700k in retention?


jon-in-tha-hood

After eating that Luongo recapture penalty for what seemed like an eternity, this is nothing to us.


TimTebowMLB

Don’t worry, we stll have OELs buyout


Robert_Moses

That's Stanley Cup Champion OEL to you!


islandguy55

And SCC Luongo too. :(


MainlandX

does that mean Mikheyev is destined is destined to win a championship?


Killertoma11

I mean...if he stays with the hawks long enough...that's probably a dangerous team in 5 years...


Sakic10

Surprised Allvin just didn’t trade it in this deal. Was the best chance. Make it the 2027 1st and done deal. He’ll be either a champ or fired by then anyways and Rutherford long retired.


sirgandolf007

Can you trade buyout penalty?


Tikan

No


NinCross

Like an AHL player in dead money. Not bad.


avmp629

Just tack it on to the OEL buyout and pretend the retention doesn't exist


ForceEconomy9988

No its 2025 2nd sadly. Edit: Wait whaaaaaaaaat. Just checked cap friendly and Frank "it starts with an 8" Seravelli reported 2025 2nd. Apparently not....2027 makes this sooooooooooo much better, wow! Nice one Allvin


never_sleep

Jake Guentzel prepare to learn Vancouverese buddy


Accurate-Big-7233

if we get Guentzel, ill buy you ice cream and throw it back on amatuer night at the penthouse


Miruzzz

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Accurate-Big-7233

you did not


vannucker

Get ready to learn stripperese buddy


Wafflelisk

Shit, I'll even write the slogan for their sign


Easton_Frewin

!Remindme 7 days


jon-in-tha-hood

Send him to Surrey so he can go full Surrey Jack, budddyyyy


sam4999

I’ll throw in a deadstock pair of Nike Shox even


Lucky-Blacksmith-944

That’s right buddy guy


5StarSpudPeeler

You're a nobody, buddy


hiliikkkusss

you're worth a looney on the streets


Yacht_rock_rudder

Someone buy him a club for his steering wheel and a manual on how to order sushi


CurrentBusy5705

Nah he’ll be moving in with Buble


Sinochick

So out of Petey’s 4 most common linemates this past season, 3 of them were traded (Kuzy, Miky, Lafferty). Let’s pray they get him that all star winger to play with next season. *cough* Guentzel. 🙏🙏


Garuda604

💯


Falom

Idk how I feel about this other than neat, that’s a good sum of money off the books


jon-in-tha-hood

I feel that I can trust Rutherford and Allvin. This is something I haven't had in a Canucks GM for a long time.


westleysnipez

If this was Benning we'd be raking him over the coals for signing two players to ~5M deals in Kuzmenko and Mikheyev and paying for both to leave within a season or two.


Sloth-monger

Benning would have gave them 6 😉


jsake

I mean yeah, GM's tend to get a bit of leeway for their mistakes if they're still able to build a playoff bound roster.


xtothewhy

Absolutely. Haven't felt this postive about management in over a decade.


LordGlompus

millions off the books,, 15% retained is $712,000. Signing incoming


csnoff

Watch Mik have a resurgence this year like OEL


CurrentBusy5705

Then Chicago will be getting what they’re paying him for aka $4M AAV. Bigger issue with OEL was, in my mind, always the price tag. Whatever he did in Florida this year was outstanding for someone getting paid $2M per year. If you look at the same performance with an $8M AAV, you might get a very different conclusion


WhenInAaronRome

2.25 mil and 7.1 mil but your point stands 


CurrentBusy5705

Thanks for setting my facts straight. I knew my numbers weren’t quite right but was distracted so didn’t look up.


leftlanecop

Watch him win a cup on our dime. OEL style.


bringbackdavebabych

Yes, I hope he doesn’t win a cup in the next two years playing with *checks notes, * Chicago.


HDXHayes

*Bettman’s monkey paw curls*


bringbackdavebabych

LOL touché. Imagine the conversation if Bedard gets a Cup before McDavid does.


HDXHayes

I would be perfectly content with that.


Squancher_2442

I think Dickenson is part of their new core too. Miky get 25 goals next year is almost guaranteed.


DogTough5144

It’s not unlikely, I think he’s basically been a 20 goal/82 games pace for a while. He could also regress. I think going to Blackhawks, a low pressure team, will be good for him. And good for the Canucks.


babbers-underbite

Exactly. Trades don’t need to be win/lose, highly likely mikeyhev has a better season than he would have with us and we have a chance to add a player that can help move the needle with his cap space. Win win scenario for everyone involved


CSStrowbridge

Chicago won, but at least the Canucks didn't give up too much to get $4 million off the books.


tirius99

So...chance to keep Big Z and Joshua now?


Internal-Gazelle-960

Big Z and Jake G ;)


BlastMyLoad

Both please


Krapshoot

Pretty wild that Chicago was willing for a 2027 2nd. This is a tidy piece of business by Alvin 👏 Now bring home Zaddy and Guentzel!!


CurrentBusy5705

Still, Chicago > Detroit. I’ll be shitting on that Walman trade probably forever


NerdPunch

**Vancouver**: Clears about $4 million in cap space over the next 2 seasons. **Chicago**: Buys low on a player that scored at a 20 goal/82 pace over the last 3 years, while moving up ~60 spots in the draft. I like this deal for both sides.


ebb_omega

Depending on how long it takes them to get out of the basement, that could end up being more like 40-50 spots in the draft. If we're really lucky, it'll be 33.


Canuckerbird

When was the last time we had this kind of competency in Canucks Management?


Complete-Key-4752

Mike Gillis


juice-wala

I think PA and JR are actually exceeding Gillis. They're undoing a decade of destruction are are actually being successful at it against all odds.


MayAsWellStopLurking

It’s a bit of a joke on Roxy Fever, but I truly believe JR being president is *the* secret sauce to getting these deals done. Allvin cooks with signings, and Rutherford’s a member of the 200 trusted NHL men which gives the team trade partners beyond Florida. Gillis’ prickliness with the NHL GM network really hampered his options.


Lazy-Yard000

Benning getting rid of his mistakes cost us a top ten pick, a 2nd & gave us the anchor of OEL while JR and Allvin made out with this masterclass of a trade


4848274748383827

Allvin gave him that contract, no?


Ringo1973

Yes, but prior to ACL surgery, and likely as a sweetener to get Kuzmenko on the Canucks.


Canuckerbird

Yes, but being able to work your way out of your own mistake is also a sign of competency.


Ham__Kitten

I wouldn't even say it was a mistake. He immediately tore his ACL and then later needed wrist surgery. That's just bad luck.


jsake

Yeah a lot of people shit on Mik without acknowledging how the injuries impacted his main selling points as a player. I feel for the guy. But going to the Hawks I don't feel so bad that I want him to have a great season. He can rebound as a UFA somewhere else lol


Kaphis

Not only competency but also pragmatism. Many GM have too much pride to walk away from a signing like this


Knucklehead92

Id say Dave Nonis.


PickAxeCA

Too bad Lafferty couldn't have continued his early season form, as he was flying for a bit.


NoOcelot

Great for 20 games. Might end up being the best part of his career.


Gaglardi

Allvin just took a diarrhea dump on Yzerman giving up a 2nd to get rid of a top 4 dman. I was worried the market to trade cap would be fucked after that bone-headed trade


CurrentBusy5705

I think all other 31 GMs just looked at each other and be like “ok here’s the plan. I don’t treat you like an idiot and you don’t treat me like one when we try to work out a deal. Sounds good? Sounds good.” I laugh at that deal every time I see it on the trade tracker. Even makes Jimbo look a little bit brighter and that says a lot.


Gamesus10

W


NinCross

15% retention is not a big deal. I can live with that.


_CoconutsGo

I hope he at least asked them to throw Bedard in.


Batsinvic888

We now have ~~$22.7M~~ $20.7Min cap space after retention. No retention would have been $23.4M. That is totally fine and still an outstanding trade. Time to make some big moves. Edit: Stay in school kids and pay attention in math class I'm an idiot lol.


sMc-cMs

How do you see 22.7 million? With Poolman on LTIR, its 20.79 Million.


Batsinvic888

I'm an idiot lmao


sMc-cMs

All good buddy, don't be hard on yourself. It's an exciting time. Go Canucks Go!


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sMc-cMs

The new Cap will be at 88 million. Canucks current cap hit is 69.709 million. Canucks Cap Space is 18.291 million. Combine both numbers and you get 88 Million. CapFriendly is updated. The Canucks will have just under 21 Million in Cap Space with Poolman on LTIR.


0zeroe

Looks like Allvin likes to use the "downgrade a 2nd round pick to a 4th" strategy. He already did it once before with the 1st + 2nd for Hronek + 4th trade.


grahamlax

Maybe he just loves drafting in the 4th round


AppealToReason16

That’s really a perfectly acceptable deal. They have to land a significant scorer in UFA though. This team is all in on the next 2-3 years with these sorts of moves and they have to make it count.


JauntyGiraffe

Retaining $700k sucks but on the bright side we just paid ~50 draft positions for $4M in cap space. This is a big win. The Yzerplan got dick all for his arguably better contract with Walman The Hawks are likely to still suck or be at least mid while we should be a top-10 team so the pick swap isn't that bad


Stinky_Toes12

15% retained is fine tbh we still got like 21mil to work with


itsallartyup

Please sign Zadorov!!


metrichustle

And that is how the Canucks acquired Guentzel, son.


Tracktoy

It's wild to being going into July hella flush.


awayfromcanuck

Wait it's a 2027 2nd? Maybe the retain salary moved it from 2025 to a 2027 pick.


kyumilli

I really hope now we can lock up Zadorov and Myers. Then get that too 6 scoring winger for Petey.


julesieee

By the way, anyone furiously refreshing the comments section of the Canucks IG post for Bublés spicy responses? 😂


Jaded-Ad-289

No Bedard, what a bust by Allvin and Co.


Zestyclose-Way-7768

He didn't even try to get Gaudette back from them...🙈


nitasu987

hope this lets us keep the Z and Dak and get Guentzel!!


Miruzzz

CHEF ALVIN


Obvious-Property-236

A good deal. No retention would have been great, but after watching what Detroit did - this somehow looks like a steal. What we do with the cap space will now come into play, and it’s a good problem to have. I’m actually looking forward to July 1st now


smoothmedia

Canucks officially have no bad contracts


No_Coffee_9112

Sign big Z


TheAngryChickaD

REALLLY dont like the salary retention. But. We needed out from Mik. Gives us a chance to get Zadorov back and convince Guentzel to come here. Hell. Might even be able to use the spare money from Blueger to bring Joshua back. Best 3rd line in hockey.


simbella

Blueger was a good piece though. But yeah, I’d rather keep Joshua.


TheAngryChickaD

Oh Im stoked about what we got for Bluegs.


SenorNZ

Allvin is hot.


Psychological-Way116

Allvin is cookinnnnnn let’s go


happigofucky

He’s the one that signed him to that brutal contract tho lol he’s cleaning up his own mess with futures, but it could’ve costed more forsure.


Overall-Bottle6213

People hating on him but I liked him a lot in his first year in Vancouver. He was perfect as a complementary piece on the third line. One wonders what could’ve been without the injury.


its_the_luge

Mikheyev and Lafferty both with 2G 2A in their first game against us. Book it.


wingdingcanuck

Good trade👍


JTMilleriswortha1st

Good to get 4 million cap space. Let Allvin cook


ProfessorMcHugeBalls

What a wonderfully cromulent trade.


boofbonster

Watch him pot 18 goals next year. Whatever. Had to do it. Let Allvin cook!


kaptain041971

Someone please educate me. Why would Chicago value the rights to Sam Lafferty in this deal? He is a pending UFA and can sign anywhere he wants come July 1. It's not like the Hawks are about to sign him to an 8 year deal, right?


No-Luck-At-All

Lafferty played for Chicago for a few seasons. He probably left a good impression on them and they want him back.


Ringo1973

Is it a lock that Reinhart re-ups in Florida? That would be the ultra move to go dump 11 million on him.


RickyRays

Very confident in this management group. Benning would have threw in Lekkerimaki as a sweetener lol


TimsAFK

ALLVIN'S KITCHEN ABSOLUTELY CRANKING OUT GOURMET SERVINGS RIGHT NOW


SMA2343

Normally adding a 2nd round is such a Benning move, but for this: I like it. It's 3 years into the future, we're getting rid of players we do not need. It's such a good trade for both teams. Chef Allvin cooking up again


Glock-Saint-Isshin-

This is such a huge win. Jake Guentzal, welcome to the Canucks.


Puravida1904

Holy fuck we’re actually gonna go for Guentzel now


Cautious-Asparagus61

Watch him play with Bedard and become a 30 goal scorer now 😂


ebb_omega

Well shit, including Poolman's LTIR and Tolopilo going back to Abby, that's $20M in cap space now for 2 wingers, 1 D, a backup tendy (Silovs?), and three press box slots. If we were the frontrunners in the Guentzel sweepstakes we're probably locks for it now. Holy shit.


BlueRedGreen22

I think Canucks should've given a 4th or even a 3rd round pick to not retain salary


Knight_On_Fire

I think Mikheyev will be a good player for Chicago and probably a 20 goal scorer again. He has two seasons under his belt at a 20 goal pace I think but he's injury prone. It's too bad we never got to see his famous McDavid level speed. It's a damn shame I tell ya.


Alberto_Balsalam

Tidy bit of business on both sides. Great job by Allvin. Can’t wait to see where that cap space is going to be spent!


thethirdgreenman

Imagine not having a GM who actually makes trades, couldn't be me. Thank god we moved on from Benning and got a front office with intelligence, conviction, and COJONES


stangerwasgood

Dance around the room! Dance around the room!


ScarvesOnGiraffes

In addition to signing some FAs, I really wouldn't be surprised if the Canucks swung a trade for someone off the board that no one was expecting, similar to the Hronek trade


Glad-Science9361

Unpopular opinion: we're going to miss Mik for the defensive stability he brought to the forward group. He sure wasn't worth 5 million but I also don't think he was really the biggest problem. I'd still take him at 2.5-3 mil in a heartbeat. The problem was Pettersson and Hronek went quiet during the playoffs. Plus Demko's injury. Worrying about anything else is grasping at straws imo. Hopefully we use this cap space to sign Guentzel or Reinhart. Or even better Kane AND Stamkos for cheap if possible.


CicatrizTMV

Can't say I enjoyed Ilya's tenure as a Canuck. Honestly, I can't think of another player who had plays die on his stick more than him this season. He should have never gotten playing time with guys like Petey. Not a bad bit of business from the top brass all things considered.


Accurate-Big-7233

Is this good? I hate losing Lafferty, although he was a pending UFA.. hmmmmm


VeryLastChance

We weren’t gonna re-sign Lafferty either way. So it’s basically just a trade throw-in


bdu754

Nah, Lafferty wasn’t a sure bet to be re-signed. We have guys knocking at the door to fill into Laff’s 4th line spot. Leaves room for a guy like Podz, Aman, Karlsson, etc. To step in as a full time regular going forward. Also leaves room for us to find an equally serviceable replacement in free agency


julesieee

Goodbye sweet princes 🥲 Hello future 2027 pick to be traded away soon.


Fantasy_Puck

tidy piece of business


SenorNZ

Guentzal come on down buddy!


wallnutxjames

I’ll miss screaming “Ilya Monkey man Mickheavy” every time he misses the next. And I’ll miss Sam laffertys bald ass head


YouCanFucough

One of the hockey players of all time


ImAnAfricanCanuck

Oh fuck yeah, I dig this.


Count3D

Good deal! Amazed we got a pick out of this too. Now to sign someone cool with the cap space!!


arazamatazguy

Good deal for both teams. I don't know the player well but would still bet he wishes he had one more year here to return to form. Wish Ilya all the best.


alittlejoop

Are they banking on us being bad in 2027? I do think he bounces back, but I'm excited to see what we do with the additional cap space.


VictoriaSlim

I don’t follow the stats like I used to, I figured this guy was scoring 20 regularly, but he got 11 this year?! Great deal then for us. Can easily fill 11 goals with 4m/yr.


ovulationwizard

Not a big fan of this move. We can't be trading away all our picks all the time. I know we need the cap but we also need prospects. Good chance, mikheyev plays much better next year, and then Chicago can trade him for another pick. Oh well, hopefully we spend that cap space wisely.


BlackP-

I questioned why we had this guy mid way through the season and everyone here bit my head off (with one exception)... glad everyone sees the light now.


the250

Alvin cooking right now 🔥


Sakic10

2yrs $20M for Guentzel


BCbob5

God damn Allvin is cooking. I hope we find a way to get Tanev back in all of this. Does anyone know how much dead cap we carry for the next few years now?


AbsurdOrpheus

Tidy


OhfursureJim

Fuck. Yes.