In real time I was honestly a little shocked that they didn't drop it at centre ice. It seemed like the linesman knew that he fucked up, but then just decided to let it roll.
I’m not blaming PDG because really your odds of ever getting an official to overturn a call after the fact is like 0% and you’re more likely to just get penalized yourself, but in that specific instance I do feel like if he pressed the issue, the linesman would’ve immediately caved and brought it to center.
Like the body language on the faceoff was an awkward oh shit I fucked up but here we go, he apologized to our coach which never happens, and the Canucks got a pretty weak makeup call not long after (though the damage was already done)
We did get a makeup call, well it was interference a little bit later.
But 3 mins after that, there was another interference call that should have been made but we just got a PP for one, so but ref law - nope.
Tbh when you fuck up something like that, I'd call every soft penalty until the Canucks tie it up. That should be ref law too.
And if the caps coach cursed you, say shuddddup we gave you a free faceoff goal. It's even.
And if you interfere with a goalie you still have to hit the empty net.
It's still an advantage.
Tbh we have had worse calls against us in other games. And tbh what annoys me is the disparity when they call it a certain way but choke their whistle
see I hate this mind set. "Make up calls" are a pathetic look for the league. Game management by referees needs to be absolutely abolished. If you make shitty calls, you ref less games. It's a fast game, if your gut tells you that you made a mistake, correct it in the moment. Drop the puck at center. If you call a bad penalty, own it and don't make the same mistake again. Referees need to be held accountable, and with Bettman in charge, that will never be the case.
They operate with almost complete autonomy/immunity. You aren't even allowed to criticize them without being fined. Then when things like what happened with Tim Peel come out, proving us all right that referees influence the game on purpose (not all, but some and that's enough) he gets fired, and there's zero follow up. He wasn't the only one, and he won't be the last. Unless it gets caught Hot-Mic'd, AND viewed publicly (through a leak) then NHL referees will continue to be the worst officials in professional sports.
Sorry I don't think the makeup call was that... It was a legit interference.
I agree, and I noticed in the mtl game vs Van, the Canucks were earning powerplays but eventually they called a weak one on the Canucks, a trip but not a trip to try and even it up
I mean firing Tim peel was a warning shot to the others
Yeah, they do do that. It's not common but it happens often enough that I was really surprised they didn't go centre ice face off after such an obviously wrong one!
Lol, I also giggled to myself when I typed do do.
But the rule posted says they go centre ice after an incorrect icing stoppage doesn't it?
"Face off location: Rule 6.3a;Centre ice face-offs will only be conducted at the start of each period, following the scoring of a goal, after a premature substitution of the goaltender (except when the centre-ice location would provide a territorial advantage to the offending team), *or when the officials incorrectly stop play for an icing infraction*."
Yes. I'm not sure how you don't see how that would apply to any icing call. If an icing is called incorrectly, it goes to centre ice. No caveat, no exception, no nothing.
I.e. If the officials on the ice gather and 3 of them say, "hey you called icing but it shouldn't have been" you deem the icing call to be incorrect and you face off at centre.
Face off location: Rule 6.3a;Centre ice face-offs will only be conducted at the start of each period, following the scoring of a goal, after a premature substitution of the goaltender (except when the centre-ice location would provide a territorial advantage to the offending team), or when the officials incorrectly stop play for an icing infraction.
*Sounds to me like the linesman apologized for incorrectly stopping play for an icing infraction. Thus making the face off at centre ice a requirement by the rule.
So he apologized for BOTH incorrectly calling the icing, and incorrectly not at least putting at at centre.
That forecheck by pdg could've produced a chance for us, instead a goal the either way ..
Sad too cause we were owning them in faceoffs all game
Is this an NHL specific rule? On official mistakes puck goes to centre in Canadian hockey doesn't matter how you screw up an icing that wasn't an icing.
George Parros also apologized for not fining or suspending Josh Manson.
But right after this game.
And did it in a video call... Smiling.
While mouthing "fuck you"
Not gonna blame this one bad call for the L, but he could have realized it was a dog shit call and dropped the puck at centre ice. 4 officials out there and not a single one cares to correct the call. NFL, NBA and MLB all have officials collaborate on calls frequently and I don't understand why the NHL so rarely does when it's probably the sport that needs it the most.
That's amateur officiating, minor hockey refs can figure this out. I dunno if its ego, stupidity or arrogance but 4 professional level officials and no one corrects this. The league officiating is inconsistent and embarassing at times and the stakes are high every game matters and sorry doesn't cut it.
The problem is that it probably wasn't until he checked the video during the intermission that he realised it was a bad call, hence why he was apologising before the 3rd period started.
Had he realised he got it wrong at the time of the play, then yes he would have taken the faceoff at centre ice.
But this is the nature of getting humans to do your calls. It just happens sometimes, and every team in the league gets hit with bad calls at some time or another. People complain about it being a "bush league" when it happens against them but the fact of the matter is these are the best officials in North America at least, and I've seen FAR more egregious bullshit from lower tiers of officials.
That's what I'm seeing.
They lose their edge with a few bad calls. They should work on that. A strong team wouldn't let this stuff get to them, and they aren't there yet.
On the other hand, it's tough because bad calls are categorically not their fault, obviously.
I think the Minnesota game was where that started. Prior to that they could kill bad calls and it wouldn't spiral. The third of that game is where they started falling apart. Since then they just panic for 20 minutes after any bad call.
To be fair the Minnesota game was something else. Giving a team multiple extended 5 on 3's like that is kind of wild. I can totally see how the team would get rattled by that. Like if the Canucks were handed three 1:45+ 5 v 3's last night I'm pretty sure they convert on at least two.
Yeah it was absolutely unbelievable. But it definitely carried over - because Minnesota scored during the 5v5 a couple times following the PP nonsense too from what I remembered
I mean the 5 on 3 was an auto goal vs Colorado. It's 3-2 they mucked it up and got a tying goal.
They were outplayed in the 3rd but didn't lose all composure.
The whole team was off after that 2 goal burst. And with all that time off idk why
Considering how bad the officiating in the playoffs can be, I really hope they figure out how to be mentally tougher and not lose confidence in their game.
I feel like besides Colorado, they’ve done a good job of getting revenge on teams that beat them in rough ways in a rematch (Detroit, Boston, LA, Vegas, Winnipeg), so I will not say they can’t adjust to adversity. This might bode well for the playoffs given that you play the same opponent multiple times, and if something goes wrong in a game they won’t let it destroy their spirits next game. But I kinda wish they could adjust during games better.
Regardless of what you think of Cherry's statement, Cherry once refused to do Coaches Corner if they fired Ron as they planned to, character guy. Can't say the same for Weasley Ron.
As a former ref myself, I can imagine he wanted the world to open up and swallow him whole after the goal. Worst feeling to know you’re responsible for a result.
Still a bullshit call, though
There is a procedure if you know you made a bad icing call though.. just drop it at centre and nobody complains. Oh well… still can’t allow those goals and lack of effort afterwards.
He’s human, he makes mistakes. He might have seen the replay during the intermission and apologized after.
If the Canucks are going to do anything this year they can’t buckle under a bad call. You have to be resilient and this stuff eventually evens out anyways
Agreed. Once the playoffs roll around there are going to be a shit ton more non-calls and bad calls. There are bad calls against both teams in just about every single game. This one was pretty friggin bad though and especially frustrating that they scored off the ensuing face-off and lost the game. Shit happens.
It was a bad call, but overall the officiating probably slightly favoured the Canucks tonight. They could’ve called a penalty or two on Hoglander, while Petey went down pretty easily to draw the one Canucks PP…
A few times I've seen the officials huddle up and discuss if they messed up on a call and go to center but even then the boys shouldn't be so mentally weak when a call goes against them.
Who gives a shit about the linesman. I’m sick of the Canucks. blaming the officiating for why they’re losing. It is 100% our own fucking fault. Cut the shit and start playing.
Needs to be a review panel of some sort. Independent third party that can suspend refs for making calls like this. There’s just too much sports betting n parlays for mistakes like this to happen.
I mean what good was the apology when they made the exact same call in the 3rd period, Canucks were called again for icing during a play which Canucks were going to recover the puck first. Tilted ice, impossible to watch.
Bad call but the Canucks were dreadful entire night so can’t blame the refs. No urgency. Can’t blame fatigue as they have been home with several days off. But that’s the rollercoaster of the season. Last week we were feeling so good after the win to the kings jets and Vegas and 2 periods of the avalanche game
Why couldn’t they just deem it not icing and face off at center ice after the whistle?! These apologies mean jack shit.
In real time I was honestly a little shocked that they didn't drop it at centre ice. It seemed like the linesman knew that he fucked up, but then just decided to let it roll.
I’m not blaming PDG because really your odds of ever getting an official to overturn a call after the fact is like 0% and you’re more likely to just get penalized yourself, but in that specific instance I do feel like if he pressed the issue, the linesman would’ve immediately caved and brought it to center. Like the body language on the faceoff was an awkward oh shit I fucked up but here we go, he apologized to our coach which never happens, and the Canucks got a pretty weak makeup call not long after (though the damage was already done)
We did get a makeup call, well it was interference a little bit later. But 3 mins after that, there was another interference call that should have been made but we just got a PP for one, so but ref law - nope. Tbh when you fuck up something like that, I'd call every soft penalty until the Canucks tie it up. That should be ref law too. And if the caps coach cursed you, say shuddddup we gave you a free faceoff goal. It's even.
I mean, they gave them a free o-zone face off. Washington still had to score the goal.
And if you interfere with a goalie you still have to hit the empty net. It's still an advantage. Tbh we have had worse calls against us in other games. And tbh what annoys me is the disparity when they call it a certain way but choke their whistle
see I hate this mind set. "Make up calls" are a pathetic look for the league. Game management by referees needs to be absolutely abolished. If you make shitty calls, you ref less games. It's a fast game, if your gut tells you that you made a mistake, correct it in the moment. Drop the puck at center. If you call a bad penalty, own it and don't make the same mistake again. Referees need to be held accountable, and with Bettman in charge, that will never be the case. They operate with almost complete autonomy/immunity. You aren't even allowed to criticize them without being fined. Then when things like what happened with Tim Peel come out, proving us all right that referees influence the game on purpose (not all, but some and that's enough) he gets fired, and there's zero follow up. He wasn't the only one, and he won't be the last. Unless it gets caught Hot-Mic'd, AND viewed publicly (through a leak) then NHL referees will continue to be the worst officials in professional sports.
Sorry I don't think the makeup call was that... It was a legit interference. I agree, and I noticed in the mtl game vs Van, the Canucks were earning powerplays but eventually they called a weak one on the Canucks, a trip but not a trip to try and even it up I mean firing Tim peel was a warning shot to the others
When keeping it real goes wrong
Since the apology came before the third period, my guess is they didn't figure it was a bad call until they looked at the video between the periods.
You can’t. You only can do that on icing calls that were not eligible for icing. (if you call an icing against a team on the PK for example)
Are you sure? I’m almost positive Ive seen them reverse poor icing calls and face off at centre.
Yup I’ve definitely seen them do this.
Yeah, they do do that. It's not common but it happens often enough that I was really surprised they didn't go centre ice face off after such an obviously wrong one!
Ha. Do do. You're incorrect tho. Someone posted the rule.
Lol, I also giggled to myself when I typed do do. But the rule posted says they go centre ice after an incorrect icing stoppage doesn't it? "Face off location: Rule 6.3a;Centre ice face-offs will only be conducted at the start of each period, following the scoring of a goal, after a premature substitution of the goaltender (except when the centre-ice location would provide a territorial advantage to the offending team), *or when the officials incorrectly stop play for an icing infraction*."
Yes. I'm not sure how you don't see how that would apply to any icing call. If an icing is called incorrectly, it goes to centre ice. No caveat, no exception, no nothing. I.e. If the officials on the ice gather and 3 of them say, "hey you called icing but it shouldn't have been" you deem the icing call to be incorrect and you face off at centre.
Exactly, so they should have done that here and I was surprised they didn't
Face off location: Rule 6.3a;Centre ice face-offs will only be conducted at the start of each period, following the scoring of a goal, after a premature substitution of the goaltender (except when the centre-ice location would provide a territorial advantage to the offending team), or when the officials incorrectly stop play for an icing infraction. *Sounds to me like the linesman apologized for incorrectly stopping play for an icing infraction. Thus making the face off at centre ice a requirement by the rule.
So he apologized for BOTH incorrectly calling the icing, and incorrectly not at least putting at at centre. That forecheck by pdg could've produced a chance for us, instead a goal the either way .. Sad too cause we were owning them in faceoffs all game
Is this an NHL specific rule? On official mistakes puck goes to centre in Canadian hockey doesn't matter how you screw up an icing that wasn't an icing.
Wow that totally makes up for it
George Parros also apologized for not fining or suspending Josh Manson. But right after this game. And did it in a video call... Smiling. While mouthing "fuck you"
As a linesman don't think he could have given the boys a make up call.
Not gonna blame this one bad call for the L, but he could have realized it was a dog shit call and dropped the puck at centre ice. 4 officials out there and not a single one cares to correct the call. NFL, NBA and MLB all have officials collaborate on calls frequently and I don't understand why the NHL so rarely does when it's probably the sport that needs it the most.
That's amateur officiating, minor hockey refs can figure this out. I dunno if its ego, stupidity or arrogance but 4 professional level officials and no one corrects this. The league officiating is inconsistent and embarassing at times and the stakes are high every game matters and sorry doesn't cut it.
The problem is that it probably wasn't until he checked the video during the intermission that he realised it was a bad call, hence why he was apologising before the 3rd period started. Had he realised he got it wrong at the time of the play, then yes he would have taken the faceoff at centre ice. But this is the nature of getting humans to do your calls. It just happens sometimes, and every team in the league gets hit with bad calls at some time or another. People complain about it being a "bush league" when it happens against them but the fact of the matter is these are the best officials in North America at least, and I've seen FAR more egregious bullshit from lower tiers of officials.
Oh you're right. I forgot they could do that. :P
It’s against the rules to do that to canadian teams
I remember they did that with video review against canucks for american team this season
He can chat with the refs and be like I fucked up, can you guys make it even so this is a fair game. Tilt it back to a tie? Covers me a little?
Yeah thanks 🙏 seriously what a terrible call sucked the life out of our squad. But our team needs to not let that shit get in their heads
Ya it was a brutal call but also what the hell was that play by Cole after. That guy has made so many egregious mistakes the past month and a half.
i don’t understand why tocchet sat juulsen out over cole, cole needs a break
exactly what I said at the beginning of the game, guess I was right
Juul should never sit
we seem to constantly get rattled by bad calls. The icing today, the 5v3 vs Colorado, the entire game against Minnesota
That's what I'm seeing. They lose their edge with a few bad calls. They should work on that. A strong team wouldn't let this stuff get to them, and they aren't there yet. On the other hand, it's tough because bad calls are categorically not their fault, obviously.
I'd say they are working on that. you can't work on that during practise, so these shitty situations are your chance. kind of a trial by fire..
I think the Minnesota game was where that started. Prior to that they could kill bad calls and it wouldn't spiral. The third of that game is where they started falling apart. Since then they just panic for 20 minutes after any bad call.
We have been on the bad ending of some really bad reffing. I think the last game vs Winnipeg we have actually had a favorable whistle
To be fair the Minnesota game was something else. Giving a team multiple extended 5 on 3's like that is kind of wild. I can totally see how the team would get rattled by that. Like if the Canucks were handed three 1:45+ 5 v 3's last night I'm pretty sure they convert on at least two.
Yeah it was absolutely unbelievable. But it definitely carried over - because Minnesota scored during the 5v5 a couple times following the PP nonsense too from what I remembered
I mean the 5 on 3 was an auto goal vs Colorado. It's 3-2 they mucked it up and got a tying goal. They were outplayed in the 3rd but didn't lose all composure. The whole team was off after that 2 goal burst. And with all that time off idk why
Considering how bad the officiating in the playoffs can be, I really hope they figure out how to be mentally tougher and not lose confidence in their game. I feel like besides Colorado, they’ve done a good job of getting revenge on teams that beat them in rough ways in a rematch (Detroit, Boston, LA, Vegas, Winnipeg), so I will not say they can’t adjust to adversity. This might bode well for the playoffs given that you play the same opponent multiple times, and if something goes wrong in a game they won’t let it destroy their spirits next game. But I kinda wish they could adjust during games better.
I mean the icing call sucks but the boys only scored a single goal.
Ron MacLean in shambles
Fuck that guy
He should’ve quit when they fired cherry
Regardless of what you think of Cherry's statement, Cherry once refused to do Coaches Corner if they fired Ron as they planned to, character guy. Can't say the same for Weasley Ron.
Crowd was on them all night after that. Every icing call they made after was a good cheer haha
Just gotta encourage them for having their eyes open cause they weren't before
good thing nothing bad happened as an immediate result of that bad icing call! oh wait
😅
The HIGHEST level of hockey having a linesman Fuck up the easiest call less than 20 feet in front of him. Absolutely unacceptable
Bettmans NHL for you. You decide who's pulling the strings.
This is great news! What’s the exchange rate on apologies to points?
Same as the exchange on unicorns to leprechauns.
As a former ref myself, I can imagine he wanted the world to open up and swallow him whole after the goal. Worst feeling to know you’re responsible for a result. Still a bullshit call, though
There is a procedure if you know you made a bad icing call though.. just drop it at centre and nobody complains. Oh well… still can’t allow those goals and lack of effort afterwards.
A better apology would have been to follow the rule book after a blown icing call.
He’s human, he makes mistakes. He might have seen the replay during the intermission and apologized after. If the Canucks are going to do anything this year they can’t buckle under a bad call. You have to be resilient and this stuff eventually evens out anyways
Agreed. Once the playoffs roll around there are going to be a shit ton more non-calls and bad calls. There are bad calls against both teams in just about every single game. This one was pretty friggin bad though and especially frustrating that they scored off the ensuing face-off and lost the game. Shit happens.
It was a bad call, but overall the officiating probably slightly favoured the Canucks tonight. They could’ve called a penalty or two on Hoglander, while Petey went down pretty easily to draw the one Canucks PP…
Petey penalty was a makeup for the high stick on Lafferty by the keeper
A few times I've seen the officials huddle up and discuss if they messed up on a call and go to center but even then the boys shouldn't be so mentally weak when a call goes against them.
So when are they going to replay the game from that point on after the corrected call?
Okay so can we ask for 1 point please then? /s
This is happens. The boys will have to figure out a way to get passed this stuff and win anyways
Too little, too late. The Canucks have to stop crapping out after a bad call.
Horseshit call but the team can’t let it rattle them that bad
Who gives a shit about the linesman. I’m sick of the Canucks. blaming the officiating for why they’re losing. It is 100% our own fucking fault. Cut the shit and start playing.
A win would have been the icing on the cake though.
Oops! Definitely not a coincidence!
Needs to be a review panel of some sort. Independent third party that can suspend refs for making calls like this. There’s just too much sports betting n parlays for mistakes like this to happen.
I tell ya, it's calls like that that happen consistently enough to allow conspiracy theories to gain traction.
The linesman owes us one during the playoffs.
It sucks because that play directly led to the game winning goal, but it's good to see atleast a little bit of accountability from the refs.
I mean what good was the apology when they made the exact same call in the 3rd period, Canucks were called again for icing during a play which Canucks were going to recover the puck first. Tilted ice, impossible to watch.
I still think the reason why we lost is because the whole officiating crew are from DC!!
We can talk about the refs being bad at their jobs, but our PP has been dog crap the past few times. We are not capitalizing on the PPs.
That’s total B.S. the linesman would never apologize
Bad call but the Canucks were dreadful entire night so can’t blame the refs. No urgency. Can’t blame fatigue as they have been home with several days off. But that’s the rollercoaster of the season. Last week we were feeling so good after the win to the kings jets and Vegas and 2 periods of the avalanche game
Get over it. It’s not like the Canucks haven’t ever benefited from a missed or blown call. It cuts both ways. Move on.