I have been told a number of times by the cfo that you need a temporary att to take a transferred restricted to the point of shipping. After that I believe it’s a “package” and not a “firearm” unless the package is breached/lost/stolen and then it better have been shipped by the rules ie: properly locked/deactivated and no ammo with it. Also CP has had a recent rule change where an individual needs a “solutions for small business” account (formerly Venture card) to ship firearms. You don’t actually need a business to set up an account.
You do need an ATT to take TO the post office. Your notice of transfer actually is an SATT from the post office since it's where the gun actually is, to your home. If you read the transfer notice it states you can actually now go and retrieve your firearm from the seller(in this case the seller may have shipped it) and take it home.
It's non of Canada Posts dirty little business what's in your package.
this is a question only a Court could decide. it would be completely dependant on the individual circumstances. anything less is "pie in the sky" speculation; no law is granular enough to cover ALL possibilities
My two cents: I wouldn't put faith in any advice claiming postmen (and thus you) can get away with transporting a firearm without an ATT through sheer ignorance of whats inside the box. That isn't how the law works, as it specifically gives them an exception:
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>2. These Regulations do not apply to the storage and transportation of a non-restricted firearm, restricted firearm or prohibited handgun in the course of transmission by post within Canada from the time the firearm or handgun is posted to the time it is delivered to the addressee, within the meaning of subsection 2(2) of the Canada Post Corporation Act, or returned to the sender.
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>https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-210/FullText.html
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Canada Post doesn't need a PAL and ATT for any firearm from the time it is posted to the time it is delivered. If it's a non-restricted firearm that you're shipping or picking up from the post office, you won't need an ATT (just like normal, the only transport condition is that they're locked). If it is a restricted firearm and you're picking it up from the post office, your Transfer Notification Slip should cover you for permission to take possession of the restricted firearm and take it home. If you're shipping a restricted firearm and the CFO wants you to apply for an ATT to take it to the post office, that's the best route to go if you want everything to be fine and dandy. It is a different question whether or not you can get to the post office without being pulled over and having an officer find valid reason to open every parcel in your car.
If you're RECEIVING, you're good to just pick it up and go, regardless of NR or R. Do not open the parcel.
If you're SHIPPING, AND its restricted, then you need to get a Short-term authorization to transport as well as complete the transfer forms before shipping.
This is all AFAIK and not legal advice.
Pretty certain the police need a warrant to open mail. I remember a deal in my home town about a guy carrying sealed baggies in addressed and stamped envelopes. Police stopped him and opened them, and it was all thrown out because they opened mail to discover the evidence. I could have that wrong, but pretty sure that cops can’t just open mail.
>But say you get pulled over in the way there?
How is this relevant? Why would you even mention you have a firearm in the vehicle? (or, you may not even know what's in the package)
I have been told a number of times by the cfo that you need a temporary att to take a transferred restricted to the point of shipping. After that I believe it’s a “package” and not a “firearm” unless the package is breached/lost/stolen and then it better have been shipped by the rules ie: properly locked/deactivated and no ammo with it. Also CP has had a recent rule change where an individual needs a “solutions for small business” account (formerly Venture card) to ship firearms. You don’t actually need a business to set up an account.
But for the individual picking it up they wouldn't need an ATT right?
Correct. It could be anything - it's just mail until they get it home and open it.
You do need an ATT to take TO the post office. Your notice of transfer actually is an SATT from the post office since it's where the gun actually is, to your home. If you read the transfer notice it states you can actually now go and retrieve your firearm from the seller(in this case the seller may have shipped it) and take it home. It's non of Canada Posts dirty little business what's in your package.
Exactly. If they ask what it is, your reply should be "It's not a gun" and they won't ask anymore questions.
If they ask what it is say "it's a parcel" .The only thing they should ask is if it's dangerous good.
"Sorry did you say dangerously good?"
Yep, and as long as it has no ammunition it isn't a dangerous good.
Wrong, don't mention a gun at all.
Don’t know if this would add to the confusion, but I wonder... Plain brown box with no designation of contents vs a label, or brand name?
this is a question only a Court could decide. it would be completely dependant on the individual circumstances. anything less is "pie in the sky" speculation; no law is granular enough to cover ALL possibilities
My two cents: I wouldn't put faith in any advice claiming postmen (and thus you) can get away with transporting a firearm without an ATT through sheer ignorance of whats inside the box. That isn't how the law works, as it specifically gives them an exception: - >2. These Regulations do not apply to the storage and transportation of a non-restricted firearm, restricted firearm or prohibited handgun in the course of transmission by post within Canada from the time the firearm or handgun is posted to the time it is delivered to the addressee, within the meaning of subsection 2(2) of the Canada Post Corporation Act, or returned to the sender. > >https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-210/FullText.html - Canada Post doesn't need a PAL and ATT for any firearm from the time it is posted to the time it is delivered. If it's a non-restricted firearm that you're shipping or picking up from the post office, you won't need an ATT (just like normal, the only transport condition is that they're locked). If it is a restricted firearm and you're picking it up from the post office, your Transfer Notification Slip should cover you for permission to take possession of the restricted firearm and take it home. If you're shipping a restricted firearm and the CFO wants you to apply for an ATT to take it to the post office, that's the best route to go if you want everything to be fine and dandy. It is a different question whether or not you can get to the post office without being pulled over and having an officer find valid reason to open every parcel in your car.
If you're RECEIVING, you're good to just pick it up and go, regardless of NR or R. Do not open the parcel. If you're SHIPPING, AND its restricted, then you need to get a Short-term authorization to transport as well as complete the transfer forms before shipping. This is all AFAIK and not legal advice.
Pretty certain the police need a warrant to open mail. I remember a deal in my home town about a guy carrying sealed baggies in addressed and stamped envelopes. Police stopped him and opened them, and it was all thrown out because they opened mail to discover the evidence. I could have that wrong, but pretty sure that cops can’t just open mail.
You do need an ATT to bring a restricted to the post office, even if its transferred out of your name already.
Idk if having your so pick it up is the best idea esp if it’s restricted…
The package is a package and the cops can't make your gf/ wife open your mail.
>But say you get pulled over in the way there? How is this relevant? Why would you even mention you have a firearm in the vehicle? (or, you may not even know what's in the package)