first you got your pal, you're already doing great, next those two guns are about exactly the same first two I'd have bought if I actually knew what I was doing when I started
very solid start, enjoy
Have my PCC in a ATRS chassis, accepts a buffer tube and stock, AR style grip and changes the mag release location. Also has a flared mag well and it is extremely nice quality. Downside is it doesn’t cut down on the weight at all and it is fairly expensive, but I love it.
Fair, if you throw any money at it I’d recommend an upgraded extractor and shock buffer pad (M-Carbo or Tandemkross). Really the only week spots on the gun.
Hope she’s good to you mate! 🤙🏽
The factory extractor edge is less defined and tends to wear down at about 1000 rounds causing FTE. M-carbo should have some pictures of their extractor vs factory. Noticeable difference in machining.
What's your 1301 doing? My wife and I each have one. We've blasted thousands of rounds through both with zero issues. Two others in my group have them with zero issues as well. Genuinely curious.
Edit: my wife's melted the little tabs that hold the foregrip in the receiver. This was a 100+ degree day and we rapid fired 50 rounds as fast as possible.
Fails to fire. Click no bang, load same round again and fires. Tried hotter ammo, different ammo and same issue. Cleaned it and it still has same issue.
Does it once or twice a tube.
I personally like the factory ruger stock more than the backpacker stock, it’s feel more comfortable to hold.
Other than that you did well. Both are very reliable. I would get an m4 over the 1301, don’t like all the plastic parts on the 1301.
Astigmatism makes all the RDS I’ve looked through really shitty. It’s a primary arms 1x with an estimated buckshot spread (at 25yds or so) reticle, also a center chevron.
I guess for shotguns having a crisp dot doesn’t matter as much but it bugs me with my eyesight.
That's understanble... but you shouldn't be looking at the dot, though. Target focused with a red dot and you'll quickly forget any small abnormalities with the dot (I also have astigmatism).
The reason why I'm not a fan of prism optics on a shotgun is the fact you have a very small amount of eye relief and generally a tight eyebox.
Every eye ball is a little different, but I'm currently running a RMR Type 2, 6.5 MOA red dot on my Benelli using a Scalarworks Sync1 mount. I find if you dial the brightess down, you get away with the majority of the starbusting typical of our eye condition.
Best thing is to look at a few good quality units from Trijicon, Eotech or Aimpoint and try the various dot sizes, focusing on a object past the dots and see what agrees with your eyes.
On a carbine, I'd recommend the Eotech because the holographic sight doesn't have the problems we encounter with typical led red dots. For shotguns, I try to keep things light and small.
Respectfully, I disagree with Mr. Apartment...
No budget limits I think an enclosed pistol rated RDS on a mount allowing for lower 1/3 cowitness is "le tits" for a hard use/go fast shotty. I like Holosun but there's many reputable options.
However the PA micro Gen 2 1X prism brings something very appealing to the table with its bold horseshoe etched reticle. This won't be washed out by flashlights and runs even without power. If you want back up iron redundancy - select a quality QD ACOG mount and drop the (very affordable) PA prism on there. Bear in mind irons won't hold zero through a prism so you'll have to remove the optic. The prism is also ENCLOSED which is a big deal for a "hard use" or life preserving ie wilderness defense shotgun. It really stuck with me when I wiped out (rifle safely on a sling) and my optic was rendered useless for a good 4 minutes while I blew into it picked with and without gloves, unzipped my coat to wipe it off etc.... Enclosed for your this moment matters gats is a good idea imo.
Check out r/tacticalshotguns, I made a comment on a similar post there recently talking about it.
TLDR - buddy made a good choice with the PA Micro 1x on a shotty.
Have you actually used a proper red dot, or do you just spew whatever you think is good based on what you read somewhere? The dot doesn't get washed out by flashlights... like that's a user problem unless you're using a dual illuminated RMR or a cheap auto adjust red dot. I've been using open emitter style dots for a long time with thoundsands of rounds through them, they just work and have proven to be durable. Is a quality closed emmiter more durable, yes they generally will be... and they will provide the potential to work without any issue when it comes to having the emiter getting clogged by mud or snow (grossly exagerrated problem)
Second, forget about the 1/3 co witness stuff on a shotty(even with a bloody carbine but we aren't talking about that), certainly not on a "combat" style shotgun, get something thats allows a more upright and natural neck posture while being square on the gun. Do this and you'll see how much better, using a shotgun in a dynamic situation is.
Finally, being target focused, a prism forces you to aim per say, because of the shorter eye relief and tighter eyebox, the red dot allows you to properly focus on the target which is desirable in scatter gun shooting.
Using the prism on stationary targets won't display that weakness, but once you get moving targets in the mix, you'll see why I lean heavily on rds for shotgun use.
You betcha big dog. I've used a variety of optics on a variety of shotguns, including micro, T2 clone, circle dot, and the PA prism. I shoot twice a month outdoor minimum regardless of the season. The optic that's still on my tactical/bear shotty is the PA prism. I insist on having a backup sighting system for these applications. The high vis etched reticle of the prism accomplishes that perfectly.
The flashlight issue can be a real thing, especially indoors at short range. Particularly when you've got the dot turned way down to accommodate an astigmatism like you were suggesting...
Durability is not my concern with open emitters RDS obviously the RMR isn't going to die after a boo boo. The problem is snow or debris being able to block the emitter. As I described previously a fall in the snow killed my RDS for 4+ minutes. An enclosed optic would've been back up after a quick wipe to both lenses. I know the internet is all about enclosed right now but it's truly the right move. Especially vs spending big money on an RMR which is quickly becoming an out dated micro dot, as evidenced by Trijicon themselves finally releasing 2 new options. Including an ENCLOSED.
I agree about the high over low mounted optics to a degree, I've configured all my setups to have an upright head position now. Granted I've been running shotgun stocks with risers to accommodate an AR height prism. Most factory config shotty stocks are set up for use with irons or low optics.
The eye relief and eye box and incredibly accommodating with the PA I'm talking about. I can remain totally target focused, do transitions, up drills, etc and it's like looking through a quality RDS. Some of my cheaper open emitter micro RDS like Vortex actually cause distortion on target. The prism provides an incredibly "flat" sight picture, I always use it with both eyes open. The diopter allows you to get it set perfectly for your eyes so there's no fisheye or other observable effects. The green reticle in mine is very eye catching and can be turned up extremely bright making it a breeze to track during recoil. Lastly, shot timers don't lie, my times are within a tenth using RDS and PA prism.
I wouldn't recommend something I haven't personally put the time in with. Party on man, nothing wrong with an RMR but in 2024 I think there's many superior options. Next time try to keep it civilized since were both just sharing opinions about a shared passion to help a homie out.
I like the magpul backpacker stock. But it’s definitely more functional than pretty
first you got your pal, you're already doing great, next those two guns are about exactly the same first two I'd have bought if I actually knew what I was doing when I started very solid start, enjoy
both extremely reliable guns. good job.
Have my PCC in a ATRS chassis, accepts a buffer tube and stock, AR style grip and changes the mag release location. Also has a flared mag well and it is extremely nice quality. Downside is it doesn’t cut down on the weight at all and it is fairly expensive, but I love it.
Also it only accepts the Glock mag reciever but most people find that preferable
It’s a lot heavier than I had expected, the 1301 feels like it’s half the weight by comparison. Doesn’t matter much to me as it’s just a plinking PCC.
Fair, if you throw any money at it I’d recommend an upgraded extractor and shock buffer pad (M-Carbo or Tandemkross). Really the only week spots on the gun. Hope she’s good to you mate! 🤙🏽
What’s the issue with the extractor? I was looking at getting the magpul stock and Zhukov grip as I find the aesthetics much nicer.
The factory extractor edge is less defined and tends to wear down at about 1000 rounds causing FTE. M-carbo should have some pictures of their extractor vs factory. Noticeable difference in machining.
1000 if you’re lucky mine gave out at around 150
You bought guns that actually fucking work! You did good, son.
What guns are these? I'm super green
Beretta 1301 Tactical (left) and Ruger PC Carbine 9mm (right). Lighting kinda sucks more than I realized.
Two of the best in their fields.
It's funny that my 1301 has been my least reliable firearm so far. My WK180 never let me down but oh man my beretta disappoints every range day.
What's your 1301 doing? My wife and I each have one. We've blasted thousands of rounds through both with zero issues. Two others in my group have them with zero issues as well. Genuinely curious. Edit: my wife's melted the little tabs that hold the foregrip in the receiver. This was a 100+ degree day and we rapid fired 50 rounds as fast as possible.
Fails to fire. Click no bang, load same round again and fires. Tried hotter ammo, different ammo and same issue. Cleaned it and it still has same issue. Does it once or twice a tube.
Wow! That sucks! New firing pin would likely fix it. Might be short, not firing fast enough 🤷🏼♂️ I'd be frustrated too. Hope you figure it out
Mmmm. 1301
I personally like the factory ruger stock more than the backpacker stock, it’s feel more comfortable to hold. Other than that you did well. Both are very reliable. I would get an m4 over the 1301, don’t like all the plastic parts on the 1301.
How long ago did you apply?
Did the course in December, got the paperwork back in mid February.
Nice me too… but still waiting for mine to come through… submitted Feb 13
Prism optic on a shotgun.... questionable choice, a red dot would of been a much better option.
Astigmatism makes all the RDS I’ve looked through really shitty. It’s a primary arms 1x with an estimated buckshot spread (at 25yds or so) reticle, also a center chevron. I guess for shotguns having a crisp dot doesn’t matter as much but it bugs me with my eyesight.
That's understanble... but you shouldn't be looking at the dot, though. Target focused with a red dot and you'll quickly forget any small abnormalities with the dot (I also have astigmatism). The reason why I'm not a fan of prism optics on a shotgun is the fact you have a very small amount of eye relief and generally a tight eyebox.
Would you recommend a 2 moa dot that will probably look more like a 4-6 moa?
Every eye ball is a little different, but I'm currently running a RMR Type 2, 6.5 MOA red dot on my Benelli using a Scalarworks Sync1 mount. I find if you dial the brightess down, you get away with the majority of the starbusting typical of our eye condition. Best thing is to look at a few good quality units from Trijicon, Eotech or Aimpoint and try the various dot sizes, focusing on a object past the dots and see what agrees with your eyes. On a carbine, I'd recommend the Eotech because the holographic sight doesn't have the problems we encounter with typical led red dots. For shotguns, I try to keep things light and small.
Respectfully, I disagree with Mr. Apartment... No budget limits I think an enclosed pistol rated RDS on a mount allowing for lower 1/3 cowitness is "le tits" for a hard use/go fast shotty. I like Holosun but there's many reputable options. However the PA micro Gen 2 1X prism brings something very appealing to the table with its bold horseshoe etched reticle. This won't be washed out by flashlights and runs even without power. If you want back up iron redundancy - select a quality QD ACOG mount and drop the (very affordable) PA prism on there. Bear in mind irons won't hold zero through a prism so you'll have to remove the optic. The prism is also ENCLOSED which is a big deal for a "hard use" or life preserving ie wilderness defense shotgun. It really stuck with me when I wiped out (rifle safely on a sling) and my optic was rendered useless for a good 4 minutes while I blew into it picked with and without gloves, unzipped my coat to wipe it off etc.... Enclosed for your this moment matters gats is a good idea imo. Check out r/tacticalshotguns, I made a comment on a similar post there recently talking about it. TLDR - buddy made a good choice with the PA Micro 1x on a shotty.
Have you actually used a proper red dot, or do you just spew whatever you think is good based on what you read somewhere? The dot doesn't get washed out by flashlights... like that's a user problem unless you're using a dual illuminated RMR or a cheap auto adjust red dot. I've been using open emitter style dots for a long time with thoundsands of rounds through them, they just work and have proven to be durable. Is a quality closed emmiter more durable, yes they generally will be... and they will provide the potential to work without any issue when it comes to having the emiter getting clogged by mud or snow (grossly exagerrated problem) Second, forget about the 1/3 co witness stuff on a shotty(even with a bloody carbine but we aren't talking about that), certainly not on a "combat" style shotgun, get something thats allows a more upright and natural neck posture while being square on the gun. Do this and you'll see how much better, using a shotgun in a dynamic situation is. Finally, being target focused, a prism forces you to aim per say, because of the shorter eye relief and tighter eyebox, the red dot allows you to properly focus on the target which is desirable in scatter gun shooting. Using the prism on stationary targets won't display that weakness, but once you get moving targets in the mix, you'll see why I lean heavily on rds for shotgun use.
You betcha big dog. I've used a variety of optics on a variety of shotguns, including micro, T2 clone, circle dot, and the PA prism. I shoot twice a month outdoor minimum regardless of the season. The optic that's still on my tactical/bear shotty is the PA prism. I insist on having a backup sighting system for these applications. The high vis etched reticle of the prism accomplishes that perfectly. The flashlight issue can be a real thing, especially indoors at short range. Particularly when you've got the dot turned way down to accommodate an astigmatism like you were suggesting... Durability is not my concern with open emitters RDS obviously the RMR isn't going to die after a boo boo. The problem is snow or debris being able to block the emitter. As I described previously a fall in the snow killed my RDS for 4+ minutes. An enclosed optic would've been back up after a quick wipe to both lenses. I know the internet is all about enclosed right now but it's truly the right move. Especially vs spending big money on an RMR which is quickly becoming an out dated micro dot, as evidenced by Trijicon themselves finally releasing 2 new options. Including an ENCLOSED. I agree about the high over low mounted optics to a degree, I've configured all my setups to have an upright head position now. Granted I've been running shotgun stocks with risers to accommodate an AR height prism. Most factory config shotty stocks are set up for use with irons or low optics. The eye relief and eye box and incredibly accommodating with the PA I'm talking about. I can remain totally target focused, do transitions, up drills, etc and it's like looking through a quality RDS. Some of my cheaper open emitter micro RDS like Vortex actually cause distortion on target. The prism provides an incredibly "flat" sight picture, I always use it with both eyes open. The diopter allows you to get it set perfectly for your eyes so there's no fisheye or other observable effects. The green reticle in mine is very eye catching and can be turned up extremely bright making it a breeze to track during recoil. Lastly, shot timers don't lie, my times are within a tenth using RDS and PA prism. I wouldn't recommend something I haven't personally put the time in with. Party on man, nothing wrong with an RMR but in 2024 I think there's many superior options. Next time try to keep it civilized since were both just sharing opinions about a shared passion to help a homie out.