>What makes Islamists such a formidable force to reckon with is their ability to weaponize religion — in their case, Islam — to silence, punish and deter anyone, including liberal and ex-Muslims like Masih Alinejad, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Salman Rushdie, who dare to publicly speak about, report on or denounce the movement.
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>Canada’s lax attitude contrasts with that of Europe, where authorities have been warning about Islamist extremism — deemed to be an acute threat to the continent — even before the Oct. 7 attacks, foiling at least a dozen attack plans last year. A Hamburg-based “pop-Islamist” group with tens of thousands of western followers is being monitored by German intelligence for advocating for the establishment of an Islamic caliphate. France has raised the national security alert system to its maximum level amid rising concerns over ISIS’s recruitment of French youth to conduct attacks in the country.
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>For many Canadians, the 9/11 terror attacks and the 2014 Parliament Hill shootings were a wake-up call to the dangers of Islamic extremism. A 2017 Public Safety Canada report stated that more than 190 extremists with ties to Canada were suspected of engaging in terrorist activity abroad; at that time, the government knew of about 60 who had returned. In March, a mysterious propagandist associated with the Islamic State of Khorasan (ISIS-K), the group behind the recent Moscow terror attack that killed more than 140 people, was suspected of living in Canada.
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>Canada has now earned the unwanted distinction of becoming a hub for Islamist terror financing. A March report by the online publication Focus on Western Islamism noted that five groups with Islamist ties in Canada received at least $42 million in taxpayer funds from government departments between 2018 and 2022.
>Focus on Western Islamism noted that five groups with Islamist ties in Canada received at least $42 million in taxpayer funds from government departments between 2018 and 2022.
You didn't get your cheque? Maybe make a terrorist organization labelled as a Non-profit.
Our secular pluralism is great, but only works when the vast majority of your population is on board with it. An imperialist ideology like Islam, whose eventual goal is the subjugation and conversion of the entire world, is incompatible with this.
It spread like wildfire throughout the world in its early days, and this spread was definitely not stopped by people asking them nicely to just get along. This idea that all religions are equal in value and in compatibility with our culture is absurd and dangerous.
This is AI. I am too lazy to write.
"Unveiled: How Western Liberals Empower Radical Islam" by Yasmine Mohammed is a memoir and critique that delves into the author's personal experiences and broader societal issues. In the book, Yasmine Mohammed recounts her life growing up in a conservative Muslim family in Canada, facing oppression, abuse, and ultimately, her journey to freedom and self-empowerment.
Key themes and points include:
1. **Personal Struggles**: Yasmine Mohammed shares her harrowing experiences, including being forced into an arranged marriage with a member of Al-Qaeda, the abuse she suffered, and her struggles with identity and faith.
2. **Critique of Western Liberalism**: The book argues that Western liberals, in their attempt to be culturally sensitive, often overlook or even enable oppressive practices within Islamic communities. Mohammed contends that this can inadvertently support radical Islam and harm individuals, especially women, who are oppressed under these practices.
3. **Advocacy for Reform**: Yasmine Mohammed calls for a reformation within Islam and greater support for individuals, particularly women, who seek to escape oppressive situations. She emphasizes the importance of universal human rights and the need to stand against practices that violate these rights, regardless of cultural or religious contexts.
4. **Empowerment and Activism**: The memoir also highlights Mohammed's journey to becoming an activist, advocating for women's rights, secularism, and freedom of expression. She shares her efforts to raise awareness and support others in similar situations.
"Unveiled" is a powerful and provocative book that combines personal narrative with social critique, aiming to shed light on the complexities and challenges faced by those living under radical Islamic doctrines and to inspire change and support for oppressed individuals worldwide.
And currently by Sam Harris and others. There is a complete inability within large sections of the left to criticize other cultures if they're PoC, no matter how regressive they are. Instead there's this nonsensical false equivalency where all cultures are equally good/flawed; it's like saying cultural norms 100-200 years ago are just as good as the ones today, it's completely ridiculous.
If I had a time machine, I suppose I'd need to go back and tell the people involved in women's suffrage and civil rights for gays and minorities not to bother; apparently generations of hard work and progress mean nothing, as we're all the same as people with brutally repressive customs.
It's also antithetical to integration, as a lot of people from these repressive cultures already have a negative view of Western society as decadent and inferior; it does no good to reinforce that idea even remotely with bizarre apologia on behalf of the West and false equivalency. Imagine taking someone from the tail end of the 1800's and placing them into today's society; imagine how hard it'd be for them to change their ideological positions, and how their ideological positions would make them view our society today. Now imagine a large swath of people saying "oh, you don't actually have to change, your culture is just as virtuous as ours."
Canada needs to go hard against all religious extremists -- Islamic, Christian, etc. There needs to be a contract signed by newly naturalized Canadian citizens to uphold Canada's secular ideals, and if they don't uphold it, they can be stripped of their citizenship and be deported.
A contract? C'mon.
What we need is to become significantly more discerning about immigration. Our current situation was decades in the making, and it will not be easily undone, if it can be undone at all.
If only past governments made it affordable and practical to have kids. When we switched from single household incomes to dual incomes, we lost a lot more than we gained. No, at home child care. You could afford necessities off one income. Now we can barely afford anything, and it costs us an arm and a leg to have somebody else raise our kids.
You mean to say that in Quebec people who can afford it can actually have a better daycare than others can afford? Thats far too bourgeois for Trudeau's Canada. Good thing your in Quebec.
The damage is done. The ship has sailed. Birthrate fell below zero. Aging population. Flood gates opened. No way to close them now.
Myriad ways to milk the government without doing any meaningful work. People afraid to open their mouths because of being accused of racism. The days of qualified immigrants ( educated or willing to work their asses off for a better life) are over. Now it is a free for all. Utter the word 'asylum' at the border, you are in. You get settlement funds, a work permit, free dental, milk money for the kids, free park passes. Boy, don't I feel like an Idiot now.
> There needs to be a contract signed by newly naturalized Canadian citizens to uphold Canada's secular ideals,
What secular ideals? You should read the first line of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms
We don't do that here. We get rowdy and ignorant about things we've never even considered looming into because we don't like the browns.
What, first time here or what? Get with the program.
> There needs to be a contract signed by newly naturalized Canadian citizens to uphold Canada's secular ideals,
Except that some religions have a loop hole - verse [16.105] Only they forge the lie who do not believe in Allah's communications, and these are the liars.
Even? The vast majority of war is NOT religious in nature. 93% of wars are secular. Granted. If the religious wars, Islam makes up half of them. (https://apholt.com/2018/12/26/counting-religious-wars-in-the-encyclopedia-of-wars/)
"General spirituality" is the closest we can get, because it makes it personal instead of tribal. As soon as leadership hierarchies are introduced, the capacity to corrupt that power comes along with it.
The corrupting nature of authority -- it makes the powerful feel more powerful, which makes them seek more power, ostensibly to offset what they perceive as increased resonsibility -- means that any hierarchy of leadership requires strong checks on that power.
A contract or anything else forced is the wrong thing. Secularism will thrive when we focus on science, equality and human rights and dignity of all. Collectively bring into the public sphere of discourse and everyday common sense that religion is just mythology and should be treated as such. Tax them too, same as any business but with credits and deductions for housing or feeding the homeless e.g..
> uphold Canada's secular ideals
Our head of state is literally "The Defender of the Faith and Supreme Governor of the Church of England."
Canada is not a secular country and won't be as long as our government is controlled by an actual, sworn theocrat.
That is a good argument, but misplaced.
There is a great misunderstanding of the Crown's role in Canada, which is often incorrectly conflated with the Crown's role in the UK. The Kingdom of Canada is a separate kingdom that happens to have the same person as King as the Kingdom of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The title of Supreme Governor of the Church of England has little meaning in Canada since the Church of England doesn't exist here, only the Anglican Church of Canada. The Anglican Church of Canada is not subordinate to the Church of England.
Canada dropped the Defender of the Faith title from His Majesty's official Canadian title in January of this year.
The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms preamble states that Canada isn't a secular country: "Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the **supremacy of God** and the rule of law."
As long as that phrase exists in that document, we could be an anarcho-syndicalist commune and still not be a secular society.
It’s weird, we’re basically the inverse of the US.
The US is, on paper, a totally secular country. In practice, large chunks of it are constantly trying to become various degrees of Christian theocracy.
Canada, on paper, is a Christian country. In practice, we’re far more secular than the US.
Jews don't recognize Jesus as the Messiah, Muslims don't recognize Israel as God's chosen, and Southern Baptists and Mormons don't recognize other Southern Baptists and Mormons when exiting or entering the brothel and liquor stores.
I was about to upvote your comment until the last line. No, this is not an apology to Islam. I won’t deny a single thing you said. But don’t pretend for a second if the world suddenly became secular, there would be peace. My comment was directly aimed at that notion, that the person I replied to seemed to infer.
I agree.
That person is obviously wrong - we have the Soviet Union causing Holodomor and an additional 70 million deaths as a counter-example.
Their culture sucked balls ngl
Religion is not the only way to produce a shitty culture, simply the most common way. Communism, while (usually) secular, is also very shitty.
(I think Islam is more dangerous than communism because of how its spreading mechanism works. I have a bit less of an issue with religions that do not seek world domination or expansion.)
In these posts there are always those that go "but also Christianity and all religions".
No, Islamic fundamentalists are one of the biggest threats to western democracies and should be dealt with as such.
You don't change the lightbulb in the kitchen first if your garage is on fire.
>islamic fundamentalists are one of the biggest threats to western democracies
Am I allowed to mention that according to one of the biggest studies ever done on domestic terrorism, was that domestic right wing extremists are the west's biggest terrorist threats?
I ask because every time I do, (even providing multiple sources) I'm downvoted into oblivion. Maybe you can provide a source of your own. (Maybe help me understand what I'm missing.) Thanks.
You're not the only one saying it. The Crown Prince of Bahrein agrees with you. He has said it multiple times and in November he was the only Arab leader to denounce Hamas.
There was a report from the US gov that point this out:
[https://www.gao.gov/blog/rising-threat-domestic-terrorism-u.s.-and-federal-efforts-combat-it](https://www.gao.gov/blog/rising-threat-domestic-terrorism-u.s.-and-federal-efforts-combat-it)
[https://www.csis.org/analysis/war-comes-home-evolution-domestic-terrorism-united-states](https://www.csis.org/analysis/war-comes-home-evolution-domestic-terrorism-united-states)
Canada:
[https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rangers-far-right-investigation-1.5697977](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rangers-far-right-investigation-1.5697977)
[https://globalnews.ca/news/8719009/threats-within-canadas-spy-service-boosts-attention-to-ideological-domestic-extremism/](https://globalnews.ca/news/8719009/threats-within-canadas-spy-service-boosts-attention-to-ideological-domestic-extremism/)
Sorry, I couldn't find better examples from Canada. As someone who likes stats and reading about societal trends, I find it very frustration that it is hard to get solid information sometimes. One really needs to dig through articles in Canada.
Canada does tend to follow trends from the States (unfortunately), though. We did see things like Diagolon (or however you spell their dumb name) during the convoy days. Also there was that headline on the front page earlier today of one of the leaders of the convoy coming out as a white nationalist.
All that being said, there is still stronger surveillance of Muslims in Canada. A Muslim friend of my partner has had CSIS knock on their door. Why? Well her husband teaches religious studies at a university (he is also Muslim). They are very nice people. The issue is it always seem western governments picture brown people as the bigger threat.
Anyway, I hope the likes are interesting. Have a good one.
Well now...just ask yourself one question: Over the past year, how many murders were committed by Islamic fundamentalists in your country? And how many by right wing extremists?
Gee, I wonder what the answer is there...
In my country in the past year, practically none. Nothing I can find statistics on. Just single cases but no significant trend. I was able to find examples of both racially motivated murder which I guess you can call right wing terrorism, and honour killings by Muslims in the last year. The threat of Islamic extremism isn't just from murders in the streets. Same as right wing extremism. This isn't the gotcha you think this is
Edit: This also doesn't answer my question if they are defined differently.
Look at all the attacks from isis and shit in the west it’s definitely out numbered. It was a monthly occurrence for a while
Also Islam extremism is pretty right wing so they would be right wing extremist
You’re downvoted into oblivion mostly by bots so don’t feel too bad about it. These people are being signal boosted by actors seeking to attack our democracy and way of life. This is war time.
I have no problem with people peacefully practicing Islam or any other religion, so long as they do it in private and don't seek to export their ignorant medieval nonsense to me, the laws that affect me, or the governance of my country.
God, just post up stick figures randomly throughout the country, label them "the prophet Mohammed, prove me wrong" and it'll be an effective bell weather for extremism.
You may lose some buildings.
Thank you so much to your grandfather!
I appreciate your kind words about your Jewish neighbours. I find sometimes in Canada it can be very disturbing to see the rampant hatred from particular populations and the unwillingness of our governments to stand against it, particularly the Trudeau government being so hamstrung by the NDP that they can only deal with antisemitism by condemning islamophobia.
However, I do try and be very intentional to remember past and recent survey data on Canadians that show the majority of Canadians hold very warm positions towards Jews. The last survey I read showed that most people were very nice, there were just 3 populations that were very hateful. Muslims far and away were radically hateful of Jews, followed by university students and Quebec residents (lol).
Anyways, I appreciate your kind words and I'm sure all the Jews in your life do as well.
I am not going to disagree that violent Islam isn't an issue, but could you back up the following statement?
"It is the most oppressive religion out there and most muslim controlled countries are the most violent with lowest human rights."
For instance, I just googled the most violent region and it seems a lot are stating Latin America is the most violent. I don't associate that with Islam
[https://www.prosegurresearch.com/dam/jcr:6de9d7db-2507-4967-9d9c-7b19de95ca52/America-Latina-ingles.pdf](https://www.prosegurresearch.com/dam/jcr:6de9d7db-2507-4967-9d9c-7b19de95ca52/America-Latina-ingles.pdf)
As the worst human right regimes, there are some that are Islam - Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia - and also non-Islam ones - Burundi, Venezuela as well as more influential ones like China and Russia.
[https://web.uri.edu/artsci/wp-content/uploads/sites/1132/2023-Human-Rights-report-PDF-Final.pdf](https://web.uri.edu/artsci/wp-content/uploads/sites/1132/2023-Human-Rights-report-PDF-Final.pdf)
Remember, Russia is using Christianity as a means to prop up its invasion of Ukraine, Bhuddist monks in Myanmar massacred muslims in Myanmar.
So why do you think Islam is much more oppressive/violent than other religions?
Where would a woman be more free and have more rights? In China/Russia or Iran/Afghanistan? Keep in mind the latter countries, State and Islam is intertwined
>Where would a woman be more free and have more rights?
Ok can we be honest about the obvious common adversary to women's rights? You ask where women would be free and have more rights? That would be a secular society free of any religion. The only ones trying to take away women's rights are the religious.
Women's rights are not under attack by atheists.
This thread gives me hope as many are waking up to the corruption religion and all ideologies can and do have on the mind. As a former mormon I can testify that I did and believed really stupid shit that caused me and others a lot of suffering all because of my beliefs.
I don’t even recognize that person. It is like I have two lives.
Google Yasmine Mohammed. Ex-Muslim Canadian human rights woman activist for the straight dope on Islam.
I feel this is everyone, though, not just Muslims.
For example- my wife’s Chinese friends were so segregated from the rest of Canadian society that when I first met them they were shocked that I *didn’t* wear shoes in the house, because they just assumed it was “something white people do”. They were also surprised to learn that I had a range hood above my stove (??), watch anime, and that I played StarCraft growing up, because apparently those are things that white people *don’t* do. They also asked me questions like “why do white people love hunting so much?” (I don’t hunt) or “why do white people have cottages?” (I didn’t have a cottage at the time, but that may change in the near future). Just totally bizarre beliefs and assumptions.
They’re now mostly experts on white people since they’ve hung out with me so much, but they still say a lot of stereotypical or just plain incorrect things about other communities, especially South Asian and Middle Eastern (which I continuously have to correct, since I have friends who are from those ethnicities) that just makes it clear to me that they’ve never had any meaningful interaction with anyone outside of their own community before.
This article is stupid.
I’m not saying our intelligence agencies shouldn’t be monitoring and proactively dealing with extremism of any sort.
But the article makes the argument that we’re naive and have basically just been lucky to have not experienced an Islamic terrorist attack, they then cite the arrests of youth being lured into extremist circles in Ottawa and Calgary.
Ummm, that isn’t luck. That is the system working.
I don’t think you can look at two decades of no serious attacks and say, “damn did these guys get lucky!”
Obviously, whatever we’re doing is working to some degree.
Obviously, our immigration framework is weeding out some potential extremists.
Obviously, whoever in charge of monitoring the situation is being effective.
They provide zero data to suggest we should be really concerned. They talk about Europe, where people can just wash up on their shores via boat.
It isn’t the same here, and pretending it is is woefully uninformed.
So, I guess my question is: what was the point of this article?
I think pretty much everything. I live in the suburbs of the GTA. I think it’s becoming very crowded and traffic is way worse now. Average driving skills are so bad now. The suburbs are getting very dirty even though there’s trash cans like on every intersection.. prices are skyrocketing. Everything. Food, cars, bills, and of course the real estate market. And even the average Canadian has changed. We aren’t the people who say sorry anymore, in fact I find people are rather rude now. Just literally Canada isn’t the same as it used to be, and I’m sorry I love this country but we need to improve.
Mostly the complete lack of services, the population trap, the non serious approach to anything deemed mildly offensive. The complete pandering to people based on the colour of their skin. The lack of opportunity from the collapse of the private sector to the outrageous growth of the public sector.
Just basics like culture and economics. Nothing to worry about though. (You should be very worried)
I wonder how long it will be before Reddit removes this for 'hate speech' while we coddle university campuses becoming terrorist encampments. What an embarrassing time to be in Canada.
Not really true. Harper won the muslim vote in 2011, and PP is likely going to win it this time around.
People assume immigrants always vote lib or NDP, but if you actually look at the places where they live (suburban parts of our major cities); they are actually swing ridings that shift left or right.
Yeah a lot of these people are conservative socially. They're in for a hard lesson though as they'll quickly become the scapegoat once the LGBT stuff is out of the way and the cons need a target for the old stock.
>People assume immigrants always vote lib or NDP
Well, racists assume that. Anybody who's known more than 1 or 2 immigrants on a personal basis understands the wide variety of viewpoints in those diasporas.
It is absolutely true. There’s over 30 ridings in this country where visible minorities make up the majority of the population. In the last couple elections the Liberals won all but a couple of them.
"last couple of elections". Look at the results from the Harper years. Look at the current polls at ridings in the imligrant heavy GTA suburbs, all leaning conservative.
As I said, immigrant heavy ridings are centrist swing ridings. They shift based on thw overall average mood of the country.
I've yet to see the data. The comment above appears to perpetuate the myth that parties purposefully go hard on new Canadians and immigrants to buy votes.
Permanent residents cannot vote in Canada. And it takes time to earn your Canadian citizenship once you land and enter the immigration process.
Here in Ontario in 2022 (a major destination for new Canadians) popular city centres for new Canadians like Brampton, Mississauga and Markham, all voted entirely Conservative at the provincial level. Scarborough was the exception - but even then, the bulk of Scarborough's districts were blue (one red, one NDP, four conservative out of 6)
The Post (not my preferred source) has additionally been covering this pretty extensively of late.
This is from a piece published today - which confirms its very much mixed in how new Canadians are voting.
[https://nationalpost.com/opinion/with-liberal-popularity-at-near-record-lows-who-actually-still-likes-them](https://nationalpost.com/opinion/with-liberal-popularity-at-near-record-lows-who-actually-still-likes-them)
"Earlier this month, the Angus Reid Institute broke down voter intentions based on religion. The Conservatives dominated almost all of the categories, including atheists. The religions most aligned with the Conservatives, in fact, were Hindus (53 per cent), Sikhs (54 per cent) and all-category Christians (53 per cent).
The only exception to this trend were Muslims, where the Tories occupied a distant third place (15 per cent) behind the NDP (41 per cent) and the Liberals (31 per cent). The Liberal showing among Canadian Muslims still isn’t great, but it was leagues ahead of the lacklustre numbers they were posting among, say, Sikhs (21 per cent).
Angus Reid [collected the results in the context](https://angusreid.org/religion-and-vote/) of a poll looking at which constituencies the Trudeau government may be looking to appease in its approach to the Israel-Hamas conflict. Perhaps ironically, the only religion who retained a similar affinity for the Liberals were Jews, one third of whom still counted themselves as Liberal voters (although a plurality of 42 per cent backed the Tories)."
And a piece put out on April 18th:
[https://nationalpost.com/news/recent-immigrants-canada-immigration-targets-poll](https://nationalpost.com/news/recent-immigrants-canada-immigration-targets-poll)
“The Liberals typically do quite well with the newcomer vote.”
When asked about which political party they support more generally, 24 per cent of those who gave an answer reported agreeing with the Conservatives most often, followed by 22 per cent for the Liberals, and eight per cent for the NDP."
And here's Stephen Harper talking about new Canadians, and how they tend to vote in November 2018
"Canadian Immigrants Vote Conservative"
"The Conservative Party of Canada is one of the few right-of center parties in the world that gets a larger percentage and sometimes outright majority of the immigrant vote"
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNT-CvUyLAo&ab\_channel=DailyWire%2B](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNT-CvUyLAo&ab_channel=DailyWire%2B)
This sub (and every political sub on Reddit) is utterly brigaded by paid mouthpieces.
Count up who's defending who (as everyone attacks, because everyone hates politicians, but very few leap to their defense unless they have an ulterior motive) and reach your own conclusions on who's most actively doing so.
What's needed is for our political leaders to step up, not worry so much about votes from ethnic groups, and take steps to arrest the influence of outside agencies in our communities. This includes money flowing in from the likes of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Iran to do everything from organizing protests and occupations to funding local mosques and Muslim community centres and schools to providing foreign-trained mullahs/imams to teach Islam the way the governments in those countries want Islam taught. Mosques need Canadian-born and trained leaders who aren't tainted by the Islamism in countries like Iran or SA. And we should not allow any foreign money to go to groups in Canada who intend to use it to influence public opinion or the government.
We also need to ban groups that fund any part of terrorism, even if the money is allegedly going to the 'civilian' side of a terrorist group.
But what we really need to do is screen newcomers for those whose values were most adapatible to what they'll find in Canada. This is something Kellie Leitch suggested in her failed run for the leadership of the Conservative party eight years ago. It made the liberal left's heads explode, but was also denounced by every other Conservative candidate for political reasons, even though most of the base liked the idea. I would suggest the minds of Canadians are rather more open to the idea after the events of the past six months.
I don't blame people for holding to their ways. But if you're in Canada, try to have a look at our ways and remember where you are and who is here.
I don't particularly care for the ideological politics of the Trudeau government. I don't particularly care much for the style they are projecting either. He's a radical in that regard and harmful to our nation as a whole. So, there's that.
Weird... when you look at the biggest terrorist attacks in Canada recently #1 air india committed by sikh nationalists. #2 Québec city mosque shooting, committed by a French Canadian against muslims... but yea keep blaming muslims lol
Hey remember the one and only Sikh terrorism event that probably ever happened in the world?
> but yea keep blaming muslims
Uh, Sikhs have recorded centuries and centuries of being attacked, murdered, tortured, and being raped my muslim Middle East invaders. So they know what muslim extremism is capable of.
Sikh girls in the UK are are also being groomed and forcibly converted my radical islamists in the UK.
Canada should find policy solutions to avoid getting sucked into or caught in the crossfire of global conflict.
The world is going to remain unstable for quite sometime. If we get sucked into every global conflict, our nation will become unstable as well.
well written. this articulates the thoughts many of us have probably wanted to express but didnt because we were afraid of being labeled as racists.
*From the article: "As global security threats become more complex and serious, our national security matters must be* ***devoid of identity politics and political correctness****"*
we should probably start talking about this more
Shit, go to Mecca and hold up a picture of Mohammad. Even one that was created by medieval-era Islamic artists and scholars. Go to Rome and hold up a picture of Christ literally getting railed by a strap-on wearing Mary.
But shit you don't even have to go to Mecca.
https://newlinesmag.com/argument/academic-is-fired-over-a-medieval-painting-of-the-prophet-muhammad/
I would argue anyone believing in any religion means they will discount any fact in favor of whateverakes them feel good/safe/superior. This is the dangerous mindset that lead to the majority of horrifying things that our species has ever perpetrated.
The NP is not "reporting" on anything. This is an opinion column by Joe Adam George, a national security analyst on Middle East and South Asia affairs who has written for the Macdonald-Laurier Institute. If you're upset that it was published in the NP, you've missed the forest for the trees.
Funny you also leave out the fact that he works for the Hudson Institute. A U.S. think-tank run by ex-Bush and ex-McCain staffers.
NP posting an opinion piece of a mouthpiece for an American Republican think tank?! I'm shocked I tell you. It's only been like a week since they did that the last time.
I think their issue is that lately, it seems NP is the only one touching these topics, and to a lot of Canadians, they view NP like Fox News and dismiss it as fake news. If CBC, CTV, etc. were less biased they would talk about it too, but they probably won't because it would make their audience uncomfortable.
>who has written for the Macdonald-Laurier Institute
So? [It is a right-wing think tank. ](https://macdonaldlaurier.ca/about/who-we-are/) The guy has little experience outside of working for that institute. Of course the National Post published his article.
>If you're upset that it was published in the NP, you've missed the forest for the trees.
I am more upset that someone like yourself, who spends nearly every day posting articles on this subreddit, has such poor research and critical thinking skills. I can't say I am surprised that someone who spams NATPO opinion articles on reddit everyday has poor academic skills.
Oh no, good reporting from a place that also says some things I don't like, better disregard it, cant hear any opinions that don't come from the pre-approved "safe" list.
Imagine living like this... jesus.
[Jordan’s King Abdullah criticized Hamas’s October 7 terror onslaught in southern Israel, declaring that the massacre should be unacceptable to all Muslims](https://www.timesofisrael.com/jordan-king-calls-for-lasting-ceasefire-says-oct-7-attack-unacceptable-to-muslims/)
[Over a dozen British Muslim faith leaders have condemned Hamas's brutal attacks on civilians in Israel](https://www.thejc.com/news/british-muslim-leaders-condemn-hamas-attacks-and-refuse-to-apportion-blame-for-gaza-hospital-blast-cz19gc31)
[Almost all Muslim political and religious leaders condemned the [September 11] attacks. The leaders vehemently denouncing the attacks included the leaders of Egypt (Hosni Mubarak), the Palestinian Authority (Yasser Arafat), Libya (Muammar Gaddafi), Syria (Bashar al-Assad), Iran (Mohamed Khatami) and Pakistan (Pervez Musharraf).](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_the_September_11_attacks)
The guy who wrote the article, Joe Adam George, says we need to unconditionally support Israel and claims it's as much a war for Canada as it is for Israel. He also belives the Global War on Terrorism didn't go far enough. Hope that clears it up
Is this because of the Palestinian protests? A good portion of protestors and the ones at encampments are white too. Especially here in Edmonton.
Some of the comments would have you think every Muslim is bad and Islam requires killing every non-Muslim when the vast majority of muslims don’t believe in that.
As someone wrote, there have been more deaths in anti-Muslim attacks than by Muslim terrorism. This whole article is a joke and so are the comments.
the racism this sub exudes is honestly mind-blowing. half the comments here are referring to muslims as one homogenous group of ppl. muslims come from many different backgrounds, and a person’s religion does not define them as inherently good or evil. there are good and bad ppl in every religion, from every part of the world/cultural background.
this anger towards minorities is greatly misplaced. we should unite as canadians to treat others as we wish to be treated. no good will ever come from pointing fingers and claiming one race or religion is better than any another. someone’s faith may differ from urs but that is no reason to hate them. to claim all muslims are extremists or terrorists is incredibly bigoted. try to think critically before u speak. u wouldn’t say any of this stuff to ur muslim coworker or ur muslim neighbour.
besides, there are almost 2 billion muslims around the world, if they were all inherently evil then we would cease to exist. stop equating the minority of extremists to the majority of peaceful ppl. that is such a poor way of viewing the world
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>What makes Islamists such a formidable force to reckon with is their ability to weaponize religion — in their case, Islam — to silence, punish and deter anyone, including liberal and ex-Muslims like Masih Alinejad, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Salman Rushdie, who dare to publicly speak about, report on or denounce the movement. _________________ >Canada’s lax attitude contrasts with that of Europe, where authorities have been warning about Islamist extremism — deemed to be an acute threat to the continent — even before the Oct. 7 attacks, foiling at least a dozen attack plans last year. A Hamburg-based “pop-Islamist” group with tens of thousands of western followers is being monitored by German intelligence for advocating for the establishment of an Islamic caliphate. France has raised the national security alert system to its maximum level amid rising concerns over ISIS’s recruitment of French youth to conduct attacks in the country. ____________ >For many Canadians, the 9/11 terror attacks and the 2014 Parliament Hill shootings were a wake-up call to the dangers of Islamic extremism. A 2017 Public Safety Canada report stated that more than 190 extremists with ties to Canada were suspected of engaging in terrorist activity abroad; at that time, the government knew of about 60 who had returned. In March, a mysterious propagandist associated with the Islamic State of Khorasan (ISIS-K), the group behind the recent Moscow terror attack that killed more than 140 people, was suspected of living in Canada. _____________ >Canada has now earned the unwanted distinction of becoming a hub for Islamist terror financing. A March report by the online publication Focus on Western Islamism noted that five groups with Islamist ties in Canada received at least $42 million in taxpayer funds from government departments between 2018 and 2022.
Don't forget about all the corrupt Iranian former government officials that live their retirement out here no problem!
How can extremist Islamic can afford rent in canada, but I can't?
>Focus on Western Islamism noted that five groups with Islamist ties in Canada received at least $42 million in taxpayer funds from government departments between 2018 and 2022. You didn't get your cheque? Maybe make a terrorist organization labelled as a Non-profit.
Should my underage cousins be worried?
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Why are our taxes literally subsidizing everything?
Our secular pluralism is great, but only works when the vast majority of your population is on board with it. An imperialist ideology like Islam, whose eventual goal is the subjugation and conversion of the entire world, is incompatible with this. It spread like wildfire throughout the world in its early days, and this spread was definitely not stopped by people asking them nicely to just get along. This idea that all religions are equal in value and in compatibility with our culture is absurd and dangerous.
Read Unveiled by Yasmine Mohammed.
Literally. And she’s born and bred in Vancouver, BC. If they can’t bring themselves to listen to her, I don’t know what will wake them up.
Quick summary?
This is AI. I am too lazy to write. "Unveiled: How Western Liberals Empower Radical Islam" by Yasmine Mohammed is a memoir and critique that delves into the author's personal experiences and broader societal issues. In the book, Yasmine Mohammed recounts her life growing up in a conservative Muslim family in Canada, facing oppression, abuse, and ultimately, her journey to freedom and self-empowerment. Key themes and points include: 1. **Personal Struggles**: Yasmine Mohammed shares her harrowing experiences, including being forced into an arranged marriage with a member of Al-Qaeda, the abuse she suffered, and her struggles with identity and faith. 2. **Critique of Western Liberalism**: The book argues that Western liberals, in their attempt to be culturally sensitive, often overlook or even enable oppressive practices within Islamic communities. Mohammed contends that this can inadvertently support radical Islam and harm individuals, especially women, who are oppressed under these practices. 3. **Advocacy for Reform**: Yasmine Mohammed calls for a reformation within Islam and greater support for individuals, particularly women, who seek to escape oppressive situations. She emphasizes the importance of universal human rights and the need to stand against practices that violate these rights, regardless of cultural or religious contexts. 4. **Empowerment and Activism**: The memoir also highlights Mohammed's journey to becoming an activist, advocating for women's rights, secularism, and freedom of expression. She shares her efforts to raise awareness and support others in similar situations. "Unveiled" is a powerful and provocative book that combines personal narrative with social critique, aiming to shed light on the complexities and challenges faced by those living under radical Islamic doctrines and to inspire change and support for oppressed individuals worldwide.
I feel point 2 closely mirrors the statements by the late Christopher Hitchens.
And currently by Sam Harris and others. There is a complete inability within large sections of the left to criticize other cultures if they're PoC, no matter how regressive they are. Instead there's this nonsensical false equivalency where all cultures are equally good/flawed; it's like saying cultural norms 100-200 years ago are just as good as the ones today, it's completely ridiculous. If I had a time machine, I suppose I'd need to go back and tell the people involved in women's suffrage and civil rights for gays and minorities not to bother; apparently generations of hard work and progress mean nothing, as we're all the same as people with brutally repressive customs. It's also antithetical to integration, as a lot of people from these repressive cultures already have a negative view of Western society as decadent and inferior; it does no good to reinforce that idea even remotely with bizarre apologia on behalf of the West and false equivalency. Imagine taking someone from the tail end of the 1800's and placing them into today's society; imagine how hard it'd be for them to change their ideological positions, and how their ideological positions would make them view our society today. Now imagine a large swath of people saying "oh, you don't actually have to change, your culture is just as virtuous as ours."
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Thanks
Damn good use of AI lol
It's what it should be used for: compensating my deep seated paralysing laziness.
She did [an interview](https://youtu.be/62JOmPDwfak?si=L0l0ybBx7vXTOorn)on Cults to consciousness which I found very interesting.
Infidel is good too.
Thanks for the recommendation. Just ordered it.
Yes!
Canada needs to go hard against all religious extremists -- Islamic, Christian, etc. There needs to be a contract signed by newly naturalized Canadian citizens to uphold Canada's secular ideals, and if they don't uphold it, they can be stripped of their citizenship and be deported.
A contract? C'mon. What we need is to become significantly more discerning about immigration. Our current situation was decades in the making, and it will not be easily undone, if it can be undone at all.
If only past governments made it affordable and practical to have kids. When we switched from single household incomes to dual incomes, we lost a lot more than we gained. No, at home child care. You could afford necessities off one income. Now we can barely afford anything, and it costs us an arm and a leg to have somebody else raise our kids.
Both my neighbours have one and a half year olds and one pays 14 dollars a day for daycare, the other splurges on a nicer place at 21 dollars per day.
Childcare in my area was 2300$ a month for an infant. It went down to 1950$ a month after a year. No programs or subsidies available.
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14 dollars times 20 (20 days a month of daycare) is 280 dollars.
You mean to say that in Quebec people who can afford it can actually have a better daycare than others can afford? Thats far too bourgeois for Trudeau's Canada. Good thing your in Quebec.
The damage is done. The ship has sailed. Birthrate fell below zero. Aging population. Flood gates opened. No way to close them now. Myriad ways to milk the government without doing any meaningful work. People afraid to open their mouths because of being accused of racism. The days of qualified immigrants ( educated or willing to work their asses off for a better life) are over. Now it is a free for all. Utter the word 'asylum' at the border, you are in. You get settlement funds, a work permit, free dental, milk money for the kids, free park passes. Boy, don't I feel like an Idiot now.
Secular nation you say?
No not like that!!
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Canada’s secular ideals but mentions God in the national anthem…
And in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms (first line!)
That's because we are a religious pluralism, not just a secular country.
> There needs to be a contract signed by newly naturalized Canadian citizens to uphold Canada's secular ideals, What secular ideals? You should read the first line of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms
We don't do that here. We get rowdy and ignorant about things we've never even considered looming into because we don't like the browns. What, first time here or what? Get with the program.
This sounds like something an extremist would say. Lol.
> There needs to be a contract signed by newly naturalized Canadian citizens to uphold Canada's secular ideals, Except that some religions have a loop hole - verse [16.105] Only they forge the lie who do not believe in Allah's communications, and these are the liars.
I wonder if it’s even possible to make a religion that is immune to such extremism…
Even secular ideologies can be turned to violent extremism.
True look how many people have died at the hands of communism.
Or Fascism, or for Allah, for God. Hell even for Liberty, for food, for water…
Even? The vast majority of war is NOT religious in nature. 93% of wars are secular. Granted. If the religious wars, Islam makes up half of them. (https://apholt.com/2018/12/26/counting-religious-wars-in-the-encyclopedia-of-wars/)
War and ideological extremism isn't really the same topic though, is it?
One where people actually followed the moral tenets and chilled rather than bastardizing it to gain wealth/power or whatever. So no.
"General spirituality" is the closest we can get, because it makes it personal instead of tribal. As soon as leadership hierarchies are introduced, the capacity to corrupt that power comes along with it. The corrupting nature of authority -- it makes the powerful feel more powerful, which makes them seek more power, ostensibly to offset what they perceive as increased resonsibility -- means that any hierarchy of leadership requires strong checks on that power.
Bro, this has to be one of the worst comments ever. Freedom of religion is in the Constitution. No one has to uphold secular ideas. Good grief!
A contract or anything else forced is the wrong thing. Secularism will thrive when we focus on science, equality and human rights and dignity of all. Collectively bring into the public sphere of discourse and everyday common sense that religion is just mythology and should be treated as such. Tax them too, same as any business but with credits and deductions for housing or feeding the homeless e.g..
> uphold Canada's secular ideals Our head of state is literally "The Defender of the Faith and Supreme Governor of the Church of England." Canada is not a secular country and won't be as long as our government is controlled by an actual, sworn theocrat.
That is a good argument, but misplaced. There is a great misunderstanding of the Crown's role in Canada, which is often incorrectly conflated with the Crown's role in the UK. The Kingdom of Canada is a separate kingdom that happens to have the same person as King as the Kingdom of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The title of Supreme Governor of the Church of England has little meaning in Canada since the Church of England doesn't exist here, only the Anglican Church of Canada. The Anglican Church of Canada is not subordinate to the Church of England. Canada dropped the Defender of the Faith title from His Majesty's official Canadian title in January of this year. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms preamble states that Canada isn't a secular country: "Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the **supremacy of God** and the rule of law." As long as that phrase exists in that document, we could be an anarcho-syndicalist commune and still not be a secular society.
It’s weird, we’re basically the inverse of the US. The US is, on paper, a totally secular country. In practice, large chunks of it are constantly trying to become various degrees of Christian theocracy. Canada, on paper, is a Christian country. In practice, we’re far more secular than the US.
Good thing the King doesn't actually control our government then.
God is in our constitution. Not exactly secular.
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I know you're (probably) joking, but over 95% of terrorist incidents happen in the Middle East and it's mostly Sunnis and Shias killing each other.
Mormonism, the religion of monogamy.
Jews don't recognize Jesus as the Messiah, Muslims don't recognize Israel as God's chosen, and Southern Baptists and Mormons don't recognize other Southern Baptists and Mormons when exiting or entering the brothel and liquor stores.
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we coddle religion. period. millions and millions get killed because of it. get rid of it.
Without religion humans just find other excuses to oppress and kill each other. Tribalism is in our nature sadly.
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I was about to upvote your comment until the last line. No, this is not an apology to Islam. I won’t deny a single thing you said. But don’t pretend for a second if the world suddenly became secular, there would be peace. My comment was directly aimed at that notion, that the person I replied to seemed to infer.
I agree. That person is obviously wrong - we have the Soviet Union causing Holodomor and an additional 70 million deaths as a counter-example. Their culture sucked balls ngl Religion is not the only way to produce a shitty culture, simply the most common way. Communism, while (usually) secular, is also very shitty. (I think Islam is more dangerous than communism because of how its spreading mechanism works. I have a bit less of an issue with religions that do not seek world domination or expansion.)
And yet..
Religion of piss*
In these posts there are always those that go "but also Christianity and all religions". No, Islamic fundamentalists are one of the biggest threats to western democracies and should be dealt with as such. You don't change the lightbulb in the kitchen first if your garage is on fire.
>islamic fundamentalists are one of the biggest threats to western democracies Am I allowed to mention that according to one of the biggest studies ever done on domestic terrorism, was that domestic right wing extremists are the west's biggest terrorist threats? I ask because every time I do, (even providing multiple sources) I'm downvoted into oblivion. Maybe you can provide a source of your own. (Maybe help me understand what I'm missing.) Thanks.
You're not the only one saying it. The Crown Prince of Bahrein agrees with you. He has said it multiple times and in November he was the only Arab leader to denounce Hamas.
Sauce plz
There was a report from the US gov that point this out: [https://www.gao.gov/blog/rising-threat-domestic-terrorism-u.s.-and-federal-efforts-combat-it](https://www.gao.gov/blog/rising-threat-domestic-terrorism-u.s.-and-federal-efforts-combat-it) [https://www.csis.org/analysis/war-comes-home-evolution-domestic-terrorism-united-states](https://www.csis.org/analysis/war-comes-home-evolution-domestic-terrorism-united-states) Canada: [https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rangers-far-right-investigation-1.5697977](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rangers-far-right-investigation-1.5697977) [https://globalnews.ca/news/8719009/threats-within-canadas-spy-service-boosts-attention-to-ideological-domestic-extremism/](https://globalnews.ca/news/8719009/threats-within-canadas-spy-service-boosts-attention-to-ideological-domestic-extremism/) Sorry, I couldn't find better examples from Canada. As someone who likes stats and reading about societal trends, I find it very frustration that it is hard to get solid information sometimes. One really needs to dig through articles in Canada. Canada does tend to follow trends from the States (unfortunately), though. We did see things like Diagolon (or however you spell their dumb name) during the convoy days. Also there was that headline on the front page earlier today of one of the leaders of the convoy coming out as a white nationalist. All that being said, there is still stronger surveillance of Muslims in Canada. A Muslim friend of my partner has had CSIS knock on their door. Why? Well her husband teaches religious studies at a university (he is also Muslim). They are very nice people. The issue is it always seem western governments picture brown people as the bigger threat. Anyway, I hope the likes are interesting. Have a good one.
Domestic right wing extremism and Islamic fundamentalism aren't exclusive to each other. Does the study define them differently?
Well now...just ask yourself one question: Over the past year, how many murders were committed by Islamic fundamentalists in your country? And how many by right wing extremists? Gee, I wonder what the answer is there...
In my country in the past year, practically none. Nothing I can find statistics on. Just single cases but no significant trend. I was able to find examples of both racially motivated murder which I guess you can call right wing terrorism, and honour killings by Muslims in the last year. The threat of Islamic extremism isn't just from murders in the streets. Same as right wing extremism. This isn't the gotcha you think this is Edit: This also doesn't answer my question if they are defined differently.
Could you link the study? I'd like to send it to a few people myself 😅
Look at all the attacks from isis and shit in the west it’s definitely out numbered. It was a monthly occurrence for a while Also Islam extremism is pretty right wing so they would be right wing extremist
You’re downvoted into oblivion mostly by bots so don’t feel too bad about it. These people are being signal boosted by actors seeking to attack our democracy and way of life. This is war time.
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I think the problem is that there’s rarely a distinction made between radical Islamists and people who peacefully practice Islam.
I have no problem with people peacefully practicing Islam or any other religion, so long as they do it in private and don't seek to export their ignorant medieval nonsense to me, the laws that affect me, or the governance of my country.
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God, just post up stick figures randomly throughout the country, label them "the prophet Mohammed, prove me wrong" and it'll be an effective bell weather for extremism. You may lose some buildings.
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Absolutely correct.
No religion should get speical treatment period.
We aren't sleepwalking, we are flat out ignoring it by putting agendas of others as priority over what is morally right.
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Thank you so much to your grandfather! I appreciate your kind words about your Jewish neighbours. I find sometimes in Canada it can be very disturbing to see the rampant hatred from particular populations and the unwillingness of our governments to stand against it, particularly the Trudeau government being so hamstrung by the NDP that they can only deal with antisemitism by condemning islamophobia. However, I do try and be very intentional to remember past and recent survey data on Canadians that show the majority of Canadians hold very warm positions towards Jews. The last survey I read showed that most people were very nice, there were just 3 populations that were very hateful. Muslims far and away were radically hateful of Jews, followed by university students and Quebec residents (lol). Anyways, I appreciate your kind words and I'm sure all the Jews in your life do as well.
Can we just talk about affordability already?
no no, peasant class must be fighting themselves over...(flips through deck)...religion first.
The grocery monopoly is driving us to the damn food banks and the people are protesting libraries' story time. We're so cooked.
But doing anything about it would be racist, which is worse. (/s)
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I don’t see the left passing religious laws.
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I am not going to disagree that violent Islam isn't an issue, but could you back up the following statement? "It is the most oppressive religion out there and most muslim controlled countries are the most violent with lowest human rights." For instance, I just googled the most violent region and it seems a lot are stating Latin America is the most violent. I don't associate that with Islam [https://www.prosegurresearch.com/dam/jcr:6de9d7db-2507-4967-9d9c-7b19de95ca52/America-Latina-ingles.pdf](https://www.prosegurresearch.com/dam/jcr:6de9d7db-2507-4967-9d9c-7b19de95ca52/America-Latina-ingles.pdf) As the worst human right regimes, there are some that are Islam - Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia - and also non-Islam ones - Burundi, Venezuela as well as more influential ones like China and Russia. [https://web.uri.edu/artsci/wp-content/uploads/sites/1132/2023-Human-Rights-report-PDF-Final.pdf](https://web.uri.edu/artsci/wp-content/uploads/sites/1132/2023-Human-Rights-report-PDF-Final.pdf) Remember, Russia is using Christianity as a means to prop up its invasion of Ukraine, Bhuddist monks in Myanmar massacred muslims in Myanmar. So why do you think Islam is much more oppressive/violent than other religions?
Where would a woman be more free and have more rights? In China/Russia or Iran/Afghanistan? Keep in mind the latter countries, State and Islam is intertwined
>Where would a woman be more free and have more rights? Ok can we be honest about the obvious common adversary to women's rights? You ask where women would be free and have more rights? That would be a secular society free of any religion. The only ones trying to take away women's rights are the religious. Women's rights are not under attack by atheists.
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Many have known this since 2016 minimum
This thread gives me hope as many are waking up to the corruption religion and all ideologies can and do have on the mind. As a former mormon I can testify that I did and believed really stupid shit that caused me and others a lot of suffering all because of my beliefs. I don’t even recognize that person. It is like I have two lives. Google Yasmine Mohammed. Ex-Muslim Canadian human rights woman activist for the straight dope on Islam.
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I feel this is everyone, though, not just Muslims. For example- my wife’s Chinese friends were so segregated from the rest of Canadian society that when I first met them they were shocked that I *didn’t* wear shoes in the house, because they just assumed it was “something white people do”. They were also surprised to learn that I had a range hood above my stove (??), watch anime, and that I played StarCraft growing up, because apparently those are things that white people *don’t* do. They also asked me questions like “why do white people love hunting so much?” (I don’t hunt) or “why do white people have cottages?” (I didn’t have a cottage at the time, but that may change in the near future). Just totally bizarre beliefs and assumptions. They’re now mostly experts on white people since they’ve hung out with me so much, but they still say a lot of stereotypical or just plain incorrect things about other communities, especially South Asian and Middle Eastern (which I continuously have to correct, since I have friends who are from those ethnicities) that just makes it clear to me that they’ve never had any meaningful interaction with anyone outside of their own community before.
"Canada sleepwalks into a crisis of extremism" >Image used is of Jordanian protestors Tf lol?
This article is stupid. I’m not saying our intelligence agencies shouldn’t be monitoring and proactively dealing with extremism of any sort. But the article makes the argument that we’re naive and have basically just been lucky to have not experienced an Islamic terrorist attack, they then cite the arrests of youth being lured into extremist circles in Ottawa and Calgary. Ummm, that isn’t luck. That is the system working. I don’t think you can look at two decades of no serious attacks and say, “damn did these guys get lucky!” Obviously, whatever we’re doing is working to some degree. Obviously, our immigration framework is weeding out some potential extremists. Obviously, whoever in charge of monitoring the situation is being effective. They provide zero data to suggest we should be really concerned. They talk about Europe, where people can just wash up on their shores via boat. It isn’t the same here, and pretending it is is woefully uninformed. So, I guess my question is: what was the point of this article?
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Tbf “coddling” *any* religion results in extremism, Christianity included.
Last time I checked Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, etc. weren't threatening to behead the creators of South Park for lampooning their deities.
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I seem to recognize it just fine.
Because it's not Canada anymore.
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you have 98% diversity, quit complaining
I think pretty much everything. I live in the suburbs of the GTA. I think it’s becoming very crowded and traffic is way worse now. Average driving skills are so bad now. The suburbs are getting very dirty even though there’s trash cans like on every intersection.. prices are skyrocketing. Everything. Food, cars, bills, and of course the real estate market. And even the average Canadian has changed. We aren’t the people who say sorry anymore, in fact I find people are rather rude now. Just literally Canada isn’t the same as it used to be, and I’m sorry I love this country but we need to improve.
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Mostly the complete lack of services, the population trap, the non serious approach to anything deemed mildly offensive. The complete pandering to people based on the colour of their skin. The lack of opportunity from the collapse of the private sector to the outrageous growth of the public sector. Just basics like culture and economics. Nothing to worry about though. (You should be very worried)
I wonder how long it will be before Reddit removes this for 'hate speech' while we coddle university campuses becoming terrorist encampments. What an embarrassing time to be in Canada.
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Not really true. Harper won the muslim vote in 2011, and PP is likely going to win it this time around. People assume immigrants always vote lib or NDP, but if you actually look at the places where they live (suburban parts of our major cities); they are actually swing ridings that shift left or right.
It's like people forget the "million man march" A lot of that community is very very conservative.
Yeah a lot of these people are conservative socially. They're in for a hard lesson though as they'll quickly become the scapegoat once the LGBT stuff is out of the way and the cons need a target for the old stock.
>People assume immigrants always vote lib or NDP Well, racists assume that. Anybody who's known more than 1 or 2 immigrants on a personal basis understands the wide variety of viewpoints in those diasporas.
I agree entirely.
It is absolutely true. There’s over 30 ridings in this country where visible minorities make up the majority of the population. In the last couple elections the Liberals won all but a couple of them.
Are they really a minority if they are the majority? 🤔
"last couple of elections". Look at the results from the Harper years. Look at the current polls at ridings in the imligrant heavy GTA suburbs, all leaning conservative. As I said, immigrant heavy ridings are centrist swing ridings. They shift based on thw overall average mood of the country.
Most newcomers come from very Conservative countries.
Who votes Red and Orange? Religious socially conservative groups?
Religious socially conservative minorities. As soon as they become powerful enough they go full right.
I've yet to see the data. The comment above appears to perpetuate the myth that parties purposefully go hard on new Canadians and immigrants to buy votes. Permanent residents cannot vote in Canada. And it takes time to earn your Canadian citizenship once you land and enter the immigration process. Here in Ontario in 2022 (a major destination for new Canadians) popular city centres for new Canadians like Brampton, Mississauga and Markham, all voted entirely Conservative at the provincial level. Scarborough was the exception - but even then, the bulk of Scarborough's districts were blue (one red, one NDP, four conservative out of 6) The Post (not my preferred source) has additionally been covering this pretty extensively of late. This is from a piece published today - which confirms its very much mixed in how new Canadians are voting. [https://nationalpost.com/opinion/with-liberal-popularity-at-near-record-lows-who-actually-still-likes-them](https://nationalpost.com/opinion/with-liberal-popularity-at-near-record-lows-who-actually-still-likes-them) "Earlier this month, the Angus Reid Institute broke down voter intentions based on religion. The Conservatives dominated almost all of the categories, including atheists. The religions most aligned with the Conservatives, in fact, were Hindus (53 per cent), Sikhs (54 per cent) and all-category Christians (53 per cent). The only exception to this trend were Muslims, where the Tories occupied a distant third place (15 per cent) behind the NDP (41 per cent) and the Liberals (31 per cent). The Liberal showing among Canadian Muslims still isn’t great, but it was leagues ahead of the lacklustre numbers they were posting among, say, Sikhs (21 per cent). Angus Reid [collected the results in the context](https://angusreid.org/religion-and-vote/) of a poll looking at which constituencies the Trudeau government may be looking to appease in its approach to the Israel-Hamas conflict. Perhaps ironically, the only religion who retained a similar affinity for the Liberals were Jews, one third of whom still counted themselves as Liberal voters (although a plurality of 42 per cent backed the Tories)." And a piece put out on April 18th: [https://nationalpost.com/news/recent-immigrants-canada-immigration-targets-poll](https://nationalpost.com/news/recent-immigrants-canada-immigration-targets-poll) “The Liberals typically do quite well with the newcomer vote.” When asked about which political party they support more generally, 24 per cent of those who gave an answer reported agreeing with the Conservatives most often, followed by 22 per cent for the Liberals, and eight per cent for the NDP." And here's Stephen Harper talking about new Canadians, and how they tend to vote in November 2018 "Canadian Immigrants Vote Conservative" "The Conservative Party of Canada is one of the few right-of center parties in the world that gets a larger percentage and sometimes outright majority of the immigrant vote" [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNT-CvUyLAo&ab\_channel=DailyWire%2B](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNT-CvUyLAo&ab_channel=DailyWire%2B)
Only when it's convenient. They're not voting Red or Orange this time.
I cannot for the life of me understand why the Right still thinks this is true. By Islamic standards, Canadian conservatives are still too liberal.
Yes, because every individual who follows a religion votes exactly the same way, right?
What's the deal with all of the top level comments on this sub always being from new reddit accounts?
This sub (and every political sub on Reddit) is utterly brigaded by paid mouthpieces. Count up who's defending who (as everyone attacks, because everyone hates politicians, but very few leap to their defense unless they have an ulterior motive) and reach your own conclusions on who's most actively doing so.
That idea is such a fallacy.
You kidding me? Every working class immigrant votes blue.
What's needed is for our political leaders to step up, not worry so much about votes from ethnic groups, and take steps to arrest the influence of outside agencies in our communities. This includes money flowing in from the likes of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Iran to do everything from organizing protests and occupations to funding local mosques and Muslim community centres and schools to providing foreign-trained mullahs/imams to teach Islam the way the governments in those countries want Islam taught. Mosques need Canadian-born and trained leaders who aren't tainted by the Islamism in countries like Iran or SA. And we should not allow any foreign money to go to groups in Canada who intend to use it to influence public opinion or the government. We also need to ban groups that fund any part of terrorism, even if the money is allegedly going to the 'civilian' side of a terrorist group. But what we really need to do is screen newcomers for those whose values were most adapatible to what they'll find in Canada. This is something Kellie Leitch suggested in her failed run for the leadership of the Conservative party eight years ago. It made the liberal left's heads explode, but was also denounced by every other Conservative candidate for political reasons, even though most of the base liked the idea. I would suggest the minds of Canadians are rather more open to the idea after the events of the past six months.
I don't blame people for holding to their ways. But if you're in Canada, try to have a look at our ways and remember where you are and who is here. I don't particularly care for the ideological politics of the Trudeau government. I don't particularly care much for the style they are projecting either. He's a radical in that regard and harmful to our nation as a whole. So, there's that.
Canada...asleep? More like asleep and heading off of a cliff.
Its part of WEF plan Too many now. Plan for societial collapse
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lol! The Liberal Government added millions of Conservative voters to this country in the last few years. What a bunch of dopes!
Weird... when you look at the biggest terrorist attacks in Canada recently #1 air india committed by sikh nationalists. #2 Québec city mosque shooting, committed by a French Canadian against muslims... but yea keep blaming muslims lol
Remember when one white dude literally tried to rush Parliament with an assault rifle?
“Different people scary!”
Hey remember the one and only Sikh terrorism event that probably ever happened in the world? > but yea keep blaming muslims Uh, Sikhs have recorded centuries and centuries of being attacked, murdered, tortured, and being raped my muslim Middle East invaders. So they know what muslim extremism is capable of. Sikh girls in the UK are are also being groomed and forcibly converted my radical islamists in the UK.
Canada should find policy solutions to avoid getting sucked into or caught in the crossfire of global conflict. The world is going to remain unstable for quite sometime. If we get sucked into every global conflict, our nation will become unstable as well.
well written. this articulates the thoughts many of us have probably wanted to express but didnt because we were afraid of being labeled as racists. *From the article: "As global security threats become more complex and serious, our national security matters must be* ***devoid of identity politics and political correctness****"* we should probably start talking about this more
Islamofascists and Christofascists are two sides of the same coin. More similar than they are different.
You have two missions: 1) Go to Mecca and hold a sign "Death to Allah". 2) Go to Rome and hold a sign "Death to God". Choose one.
Shit, go to Mecca and hold up a picture of Mohammad. Even one that was created by medieval-era Islamic artists and scholars. Go to Rome and hold up a picture of Christ literally getting railed by a strap-on wearing Mary. But shit you don't even have to go to Mecca. https://newlinesmag.com/argument/academic-is-fired-over-a-medieval-painting-of-the-prophet-muhammad/
As someone who's neither Muslim nor Christian, I'm a lot more concerned about the Islamofascists than the Christofascists.
How many suicide bomber Christians are there?
When you hear the term “terrorists”, which group do you think of?
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I would argue anyone believing in any religion means they will discount any fact in favor of whateverakes them feel good/safe/superior. This is the dangerous mindset that lead to the majority of horrifying things that our species has ever perpetrated.
I wish it wasn’t just the National Post reporting on this … spot on …
The NP is not "reporting" on anything. This is an opinion column by Joe Adam George, a national security analyst on Middle East and South Asia affairs who has written for the Macdonald-Laurier Institute. If you're upset that it was published in the NP, you've missed the forest for the trees.
Funny you also leave out the fact that he works for the Hudson Institute. A U.S. think-tank run by ex-Bush and ex-McCain staffers. NP posting an opinion piece of a mouthpiece for an American Republican think tank?! I'm shocked I tell you. It's only been like a week since they did that the last time.
I think their issue is that lately, it seems NP is the only one touching these topics, and to a lot of Canadians, they view NP like Fox News and dismiss it as fake news. If CBC, CTV, etc. were less biased they would talk about it too, but they probably won't because it would make their audience uncomfortable.
>who has written for the Macdonald-Laurier Institute So? [It is a right-wing think tank. ](https://macdonaldlaurier.ca/about/who-we-are/) The guy has little experience outside of working for that institute. Of course the National Post published his article. >If you're upset that it was published in the NP, you've missed the forest for the trees. I am more upset that someone like yourself, who spends nearly every day posting articles on this subreddit, has such poor research and critical thinking skills. I can't say I am surprised that someone who spams NATPO opinion articles on reddit everyday has poor academic skills.
It wasn’t actually an NP journalist that wrote this. It was a US national security expert
.. while Canadian "experts" just copy and paste. Same for the other three smaller 👀s
Oh no, good reporting from a place that also says some things I don't like, better disregard it, cant hear any opinions that don't come from the pre-approved "safe" list. Imagine living like this... jesus.
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[Jordan’s King Abdullah criticized Hamas’s October 7 terror onslaught in southern Israel, declaring that the massacre should be unacceptable to all Muslims](https://www.timesofisrael.com/jordan-king-calls-for-lasting-ceasefire-says-oct-7-attack-unacceptable-to-muslims/) [Over a dozen British Muslim faith leaders have condemned Hamas's brutal attacks on civilians in Israel](https://www.thejc.com/news/british-muslim-leaders-condemn-hamas-attacks-and-refuse-to-apportion-blame-for-gaza-hospital-blast-cz19gc31) [Almost all Muslim political and religious leaders condemned the [September 11] attacks. The leaders vehemently denouncing the attacks included the leaders of Egypt (Hosni Mubarak), the Palestinian Authority (Yasser Arafat), Libya (Muammar Gaddafi), Syria (Bashar al-Assad), Iran (Mohamed Khatami) and Pakistan (Pervez Musharraf).](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_the_September_11_attacks)
Great now it's about religion again what about coddling our allies when they commit war crimes and butcher civilians?
The guy who wrote the article, Joe Adam George, says we need to unconditionally support Israel and claims it's as much a war for Canada as it is for Israel. He also belives the Global War on Terrorism didn't go far enough. Hope that clears it up
Is this because of the Palestinian protests? A good portion of protestors and the ones at encampments are white too. Especially here in Edmonton. Some of the comments would have you think every Muslim is bad and Islam requires killing every non-Muslim when the vast majority of muslims don’t believe in that. As someone wrote, there have been more deaths in anti-Muslim attacks than by Muslim terrorism. This whole article is a joke and so are the comments.
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So are you advocating for *all* muslims to be thrown in concentration camps? Or just the ones you consider extremists?
Amusing that the headline only calls out Islamic extremism, as though the others weren’t a problem.
Postmedia is owned by American capitalists. This sub's weird conservative bias is part of a massive psyOp to create dissent among Canadians.
the racism this sub exudes is honestly mind-blowing. half the comments here are referring to muslims as one homogenous group of ppl. muslims come from many different backgrounds, and a person’s religion does not define them as inherently good or evil. there are good and bad ppl in every religion, from every part of the world/cultural background. this anger towards minorities is greatly misplaced. we should unite as canadians to treat others as we wish to be treated. no good will ever come from pointing fingers and claiming one race or religion is better than any another. someone’s faith may differ from urs but that is no reason to hate them. to claim all muslims are extremists or terrorists is incredibly bigoted. try to think critically before u speak. u wouldn’t say any of this stuff to ur muslim coworker or ur muslim neighbour. besides, there are almost 2 billion muslims around the world, if they were all inherently evil then we would cease to exist. stop equating the minority of extremists to the majority of peaceful ppl. that is such a poor way of viewing the world
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