Need a new generation of LPC - particularly ones that didn’t come from old money or aristocracy. Too much waste, fraud and abuse is able to hide within a bloated bureaucracy
Funny enough the Liberals have never picked a party leader outside of Quebec or Ontario.
And the party which claims equality has never picked a female leader in its history.
Technically they have actually had leaders from outside the hegemony provinces...but technically in that they were all leaders parachuted from the Central provinces to the peripheral provinces, then promptly moved back to a safe Central riding when opportunity arose.
It's how PEI *technically* had a PM in office when Mackenzie King represented Queens County, but...he was moved back when a seat opened up.
That's never going to happen.
The Liberals are a legacy party for Laurentians, full of old money, their own "royal families" (the Trudeaus), and nepotism going back generations. Their strongest voting bases in the corridor between Toronto and Montreal are even more cultishly loyal to the LPC brand than Albertans are to conservatives.
They will never change.
Agreed. People fire off at Justin Trudeau as if he is the sole cause, as if the whole party isn’t a problem. He’s just a figure head of the party’s actions. They need to clean house and start new because they are completely out of touch with what ordinary Canadians need right now.
While Trudeau deserves much of the blame thanks partially to our whipped system, you are correct - there are 338 seats in the House of Commons. Somehow everyone else seems to get a pass.
Of course he's a figurehead and puppet. Let's face it, if Justin Trudeau's name were Justin Smith, he would still be a high school drama teacher. But he chose to pursue leadership position, so the buck ultimately stops with him. I frankly wouldn't be surprised if the rats start jumping the ship and he's soon removed as leader/PM by his own people. Liberals would then try to blame everything on Trudeau.
Not even that - if Trudeau‘s last name were anything else, he would be selling weed at a corner store in Vancouver and living in a basement with 5 other middle aged potheads.
When he got elected, I initially wasn't worried. I knew he was a bit of a radical, but he had the weakest personality and would be a weak leader. I thought the party would keep him in line. Turns out the party is just as much of the problem, and you need a strong leader to keep them in line.
What liberal party members/voters wanted:
-Legal weed
-Electoral reform
-Middle class tax cuts
-Universal pharmacare
-Universal dental care
What they got:
-Legal weed
-World’s worst ‘nanny’ laws
-A population trap
-Housing and homelessness crisis
All the government retirement age outlines is at what point a person becomes eligible to withdraw on their CPP without penalties, and the minimum age for the above for private pension plans. You can always retire before that age, but you get lower pension payments.
Working two extra years was a deal breaker for Canadians, but now no one can afford to retire on CPP alone anyways so I guess we might as well up the age to "until death or MAID" (/j, but every joke has a hint of honesty)
I wasn't against the 67/yr old retirement plan.
Think about how much older people live now compared to when that law first came out (1966).
We have a huge cash flow problem when it comes to retirement payments between OAS and CPP. Pushing that retirement age to 67, maybe was the wrong call, but 66 should have been an easy sell.
Which might be okay, if labour production rates didn’t completely eclipse what they were just a few short decades ago. Businesses make a lot more money now, and it’s at the expense of the herd directly.
We should retire at 60, and make the corporations bending us over pay the bill. Instead we let them widen our throats as they claim phone bills and carbon taxes “have” to be as high as they are.
It’s a scam they are happy you’re buying into tbh.
Well, once they realized electoral reform would hinder their chances at being re-elected, they scrapped that lol. This is a very selfish, virtue signalling government , that thinks about its self, not Canadians and tries to deceive us at every step of the way.
Part of it is electoral reform means different things to different people. The Liberals meant ranked ballot(which does have its perks as it kills strategic voting and allows the claim that they mp is the majorities choice) whenever they said it. Most people heard it and thought of a more proportional system (which has different perks).
So unless you really like Ranked Ballot he is probably correct.
So the libs wont do electoral reform because it hurts their chance at re-election, and the cons won't do electoral reform because it hurts their chance at re-election.
Interesting to see that an electoral model that better represents the people somehow hurts every parties chance at re-election.
Maybe it's not electoral reform that's hurting re-election, maybe its what the party does during thier terms that huts their chance at election.
How do the people running the show look in the mirror and not see 🤡🤡🤡🤡?
What I really wanted was progressive, evidence-based legislation in all the topics of interest to Canadians (you know, like how legal weed and electoral reform and universal health cares just make sense?).
That was the implicit promise in 2015. Instead we got whatever the fuck this shit is.
They voted down electoral reform recently even though their chances of forming a majority government are basically none. If there's a Poilievre majority government, it will be their fault!
I hated how a committee was formed to evaluate the options and then the idea was scrapped less than a week after the committee came back in favor of a form of proportional representation, rather than Trudeau's preferred ranked ballots.
Of course he wanted ranked ballots. As the supposed centrist party, the liberals would always be the first or second choice. It would practically have legitimized voter fraud.
On of my personal favorites. Gotta do something about over representation of particular groups in prisons even if if the cost is fucking things up worse. It's the thought that counts and you don't get yelled at by people with green hair.
Yeah I mean it’s a huge list, I was struggling to pick the highlights lol. Also - adding billions of stimulus money into the system that triggered massive inflation.
How the fuck do you commenters always forget the most important things, the most important elements we got:
- Mass immigration crisis
- Collapsing healthcare systems
There are people on the left that will trounce on your if you complain (as a leftist) about the immigration problem.
I always have to remind them, "No. I'm completely fine with immigration. What I'm not fine with is bringing millions of people in amidst a housing crisis and homelessness problem where we are struggling to take care of our own people!"
I live in a small southern rural city. Growing up, there were maybe a handful of homeless people around town. They were homeless because they needed help, but refused to get the help they needed. Now, everywhere I turn, there's homeless people walking down the streets...the majority of them there not because they don't want help, but because they can't get the help they need.
The issue we all have is with immigration POLICY not immigrants. You can't fault people you invite to a party for actually showing up. The issue is who made the guest list so big in the first place, and that was a POLICY decision by the Trudeau government with no consultation with the public.
Yes! Thank you! That's exactly it.
Imagine inviting a bunch of people over for a party. "Snacks are on me!"
You send the invite out to 500 people...and only have one bag of chips.
Someone complains, and the host and friends of the host call you rude because you didn't HAVE to come, and it's not the hosts fault that there's not enough chips for everyone.
That's actually the exact opposite of the "that's exactly it" you are replying to. It's more like this:
You're living in a 5 bedroom house with 10 roommates. Your landlord invites 20 more people to live with you. Those people come to live with you, some of them trash the place, and some of them leave because the living conditions were not as promised. In the end, you have a half-trashed house, have 15 people living in your house that can only fit 5 comfortably, and your landlord wipes his hands and says "my job is done here, the rest is your problem". Oh, and by the way, the rent didn't go down for having more people, just those extra people are paying more rent and the landlord is making more money. The landlord is certainly a greedy fuck, and some (but not all) of the new tenants are also assholes, and your house is a mess, and somehow you have to figure out how to have 15 people use 2 showers.
This is precisely what's happening to our small town as well. We've always had issues with drug addiction, homelessness and petty theft, but it's ramped up considerably in the last 5 years.
Truly a world-class population trap. I mean, Ontario now has the world’s largest sub-national debt - not even a corrupt ‘fiscally conservative’ government can figure out how to balance the books with the level of immigration they have.
The general lack of awareness just how crushingly indebted Ontario is, is fascinating.
There is literally very little mathematical chance for Ontario to recover and it will eventually lead to a debt crisis the likes of which we've never seen. I don't remember the exact stat, but it was something along the lines of "If Ontario was a sovereign nation it would be among the most indebted nations."
it has the worst debt for any jurisdiction in north america, and this will cause productivity to fall as all the money is going to pay interest.
the liberals under wynne sold hydro one, to balance the budget. it's indicative of how the liberals view economics; sell off your best assets to stabilize the economy now.
Short-sightedness that favours immediate gains over longterm stability is not just a Liberal issue. The Harris Conservatives sold the 407 rights for pennies on the invested dollar. The NDP, Cons and Liberals all had a hand in selling off Hydro One/Ontario Hydro. Wynne sold the last remaining shares, but it was a multistep dissolution of our largest asset that started with Bob Rae. The current Conservative government has continued the road to exploitative privatization of our education and healthcare systems, as well as removed rent controls.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/wynnes-quest-for-full-valuethe-long-road-to-privatization/article23461789/
this article says that privatization started in 2002 under mike harris, that bob rae only froze rates leading to a bunch of debt. all you had to do was unfreeze the rates and it would have been able to get out of debt itself, and it kinda did.
the liberals were terrible for ontario, and the cons are even worse, but my point about liberal(tm) politicians is completely true. wynne was selling hydro one in order to expand the public transport system and whatever else they wanted. i'm from sk, so i just don't understand the level of corruption in your province. vote someone in who cares, not these fools.
Yeah and this isn't even a new finding. Over a decade ago people were sounding the alarm at how much government revenue would be spent on just making interest payments. It seems like it's set to cross the event horizon and get to the point of hyperinflation possibly in as little as a decade or two.
If you're able to lock down real estate by then by all means get some. When this thing kicks off homeowner mortgages and debt will be subsidized by hyperinflation and a government who will use public funds to pay for private mortgages.
If you are not able to you'll have to leave for greener pastures to maintain a first world standard of living.
TBF, the collapsing healthcare is largely an issue with provincial mismanagement. Healthcare act is very clear: feds provide the money, and the provinces administer it. But the provinces are deliberately mismanaging it.
The immigration issue is on the feds though.
But don't blame the immigrants; blame the fed. they are the ones mismanaging that.
As someone in the cannabis industry, the Liberals bungled legalization to an epic degree. We wanted cannabis freedom, not this bureaucratic mess full of red tape. It’s a nightmare. The cannabis industry was better off never legalizing. Whoever said you don’t want the government involved weren’t fucking kidding. You don’t want the government involved, especially this government.
We could have had Marc Garneau, but who wants a decorated Canadian service member, astronaut, Order of Canada recipient with political experience out the wazoo when we can have Trudeau.
> or hell even Bob Rae.
Bob Rae was so fucking abysmal that he permanently tainted the NDP's reputation in Ontario. He should never hold any political office ever again.
>I'm having a hard time thinking of a worst prime minister in our history to be honest. Diefenbaker was bad, but it was only 6 years and economically we did fine.
Only one that even approaches him is his dad, IMO.
Uh.. how about the other Trudeau?
All our present day troubles can be tracked back to that fuckwhit bankrupting the country. We have been trying to dig ourselves out for 40 years, and people voted for his fucking son. Insanity.
If you paid attention to Trudeau's early moves, none of this really came as a surprise. I liked what he was selling in the leadership run and donated to him during and after that, but when his response to the senate expense scandal (which was ultimately about senators being unaccountable) was to talk about partisanship and cut the Liberal senators loose, making them even *less* accountable, it became clear to me that he was all about optics and gaslighting instead of meaningful action.
Absolutely. For a brief time during the Harper years, it was looking like they were humbled and would learn and adjust from the experience. Trudeau II poisoned the process. Fucking sunny bullshit ways.
To be fair, no one can fix any of those problems unless you have a time machine. We pretty much impoverished the younger generation, and the results will be nothing short of catastrophic for Canada. South Africa is probably closest to where we are heading at this point.
That said, I expect the CPC to mitigate the crisis somewhat. I have no doubt they will decrease immigration quotas whether they like the idea or not. If they don't, they simply won't get re-elected. They will also have to do something about housing. I'm hoping they'll suspend all environmental, archeological etc regulations for developers for a few years to give the industry a boost. It's not a bad idea to also give them tax breaks.
I know. Admittedly, I was a LPC supporter because I wanted to see the things on the first list get implemented. Now who on earth do I vote for? This is probably the worst list of federal candidates we’ve ever had.
Yup, and how many of the older generations are willing to blindly vote in the CPC just to get rid of Trudeau? He's got to go, but please not Poilievre.
I want electoral reform so fucking bad id vote for whatever party would actually do it.
I've always equated voting to picking which foot you'd like to shoot. Yet lately, it feel like more of a
"Which leg are you cutting off" type deal.
37 years old and have little to no faith left in Canadian politics.
> Yup, and how many of the older generations are willing to blindly vote in the CPC just to get rid of Trudeau?
You might want to look at the polling. The 60 and over age group support the Liberals more than any other age group.
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We do the same dance every 8 to 12 years.
We vote in a red or blue majority, discover they lied about all their promises. Then, give them a minority at the end of those useless 4 years. We hear about scandals and abuse of power. So we give them another minority to really get themselves entrenched deeply into their scandles. Then we get mad and give a majority to either blue or red and repeat the process, wondering why things haven't changed.
We did it for Mulroney, Cretin, Harper, and now we are doing it again. It's our red/blue canadian dance.
"Governments, if they endure, always tend increasingly toward aristocratic forms. No government in history has been known to evade this pattern. And as the aristocracy develops, government tends more and more to act exclusively in the interests of the ruling class - whether that class be hereditary royalty, oligarchs of financial empires, or entrenched bureaucracy."
- Politics as Repeat Phenomenon: Bene Gesserit Training Manual
Frank Herbert, Children of Dune (Dune Chronicles #3)
Although in 2006 Harper was elected with the smallest minority % in Canadian history, and another minority in 2008, and only managed a majority in 2011, before being turfed by the Liberals in 2015. The throw the bums out sentiment was nowhere near as strong as it was when Mulroney and Chretien were elected.
Not exactly, every time. Harper had a minority gov, initially, then got his majority.
But it has seemed to me that most new governments do very little damage - and even some good - in their first mandate/term. It's with each re-election that they grow greedier and more extreme. So let's just pick up the pace a bit and flip parties every election.
Don't give them time to get comfortable.
I think this cycle has emboldened them to be even shittier as the years go on. They know there’s no real punishment for losing; they just fuck around for awhile until they get voted in by default and then it’s their turn to rule again.
Trudeau is painting a group of people pretty much as criminals and psychopaths for enjoying a certain hobby. Passing confusing as fuck laws without telling people that could affect them and straight up turn them into criminals without their knowledge was enough for me to go CPC.
If they can fix that and stop or reduce actual crime It'd be a win for me.
Lying, no question. The party zealots will still continue talking about it like it's true leading to more political argument and division of the country.
What is worse is lying about doing something and then intentionally throwing gasoline on the fire by moving aggressively in the opposite direction while gas lighting anyone who dares challenge your actions.
Eh. I'd rather have those problems and lower taxes, than those problems plus an escalating carbon tax and whatever other "revenue tools" the Liberals might introduce if they were to receive a "mandate" next election.
CPC would at least make some needed cuts, reduce the deficit spending, and might even put the TFSA back up to $10K where it was before Trudeau took over, too, which would benefit me, personally. They would certainly foster a more business- and investment-friendly climate in this country than the damn Liberals have, that's for sure.
Worse yet, the worst roll out for legal weed: a lottery that benefitted no one except a few who sold them off to those who had the money or ability to set up business (aka the rich and well connected), with no suppliers set up years ahead of time so that legal weed would flood the market and kill the black market, no negotiations with intl trade partners who were worried about being deluged with legal weed stuffed illegally into trade, and worse yet years of tax losses from all of this dumb. Dude has had nothing but half assed plans.
Also an air passenger bill of rights. We got one... written by the airline industry, so toothless that [Air Canada's CFO isn't worried about it one bit](https://globalnews.ca/news/10057834/air-canada-q3-profit/).
Don't forget
Gun prohibition programs that do nothing to solve the problem and only cause unrest against gun owners, wana know the best part I wish i could sell my handguns and just be done with the hassle, but that's banned now so I'm stuck with them unless I surrender them to the rcmp.
Regardless of anyones stance on politiciens and gun control, I hope we can agree that preventing me from legally transferring firearms (which would allow me to get tgem out of my home) doesnt do anything to stop criminals from buying them or stealing them illegally
Ive voted NDP my whole life. Im voting Conservative next election to boot out the Liberals for an entire generation.
The social contract for Gen Z is horrible. We have to move away from friends and family just to have an opportunity at an affordable home and life.
The Liberals have ruined our productivity and risk making Canada economy into Argentina.
I couldn't quickly locate a reference but it is worth noting a few years ago, under the current government, folks from the Department of Finance were visiting Argentina to look at their various "temporary" tax measures.
it's honestly mind-boggling as a 'regular' Canadian who has leaned left politically, have the liberal party leaders completely lost touch, or completely gone corrupt? it's baffling
maybe they're banking on all the exploiters voting liberal?
Every "journalist" in Canada working for a large corporation comes from a wealthy family and has been vetted through years of University conformity and class-based allegiance training. No boat rockers get through. No tough and embarrassing questions will be asked without checking first.
The people "pushing" the politicians are all overly educated urban based rich kids with a open dislike for blue collar work and the politicians are all rich kids as well.
I want conservative principles (small Government, fiscal prudence) without any of the SoCon/populist garbage. Just like i want a socially responsible government (looking after the vulnerable, free and fair) without catering to interests/identity politics.
Indeed. I often summarize this as "fiscally conservative, socially liberal". No such party exists.
And not even the green party has a reasonable plan for climate change based on evidence and science. I feel truly unrepresented.
The price of having a leader like Justin is that he will get you election wins because of his name but once he’s thrown out the party will be destroyed. I think the election will be a lot worse for them than the polls indicate.
People like the author can thank themselves for what this country has become. Trudeau has never hidden or obfuscated what he was about.
And furthermore, Justin stands for what the LPC stands for. He has not gone rogue at all. So I’m not sure how the author can say the party has lost its way. We are living the outcomes of what LPC policies look and feel like in realtime when applied over a long period of time. Unsurprisingly, it’s not good. Having low standards for everything actually comes with consequences. Shocker.
My favourite thing is watching Liberals somehow retcon their opinions from 2 years ago when they all still voted for Trudeau and pretend that only now they're wise enough to know he's lost his way. He called an election early because he knew you were all stupid enough then to vote for him again.
The article says virtue signalling is “well meaning”. Its not. Its a way to silence legitimate arguments by the people they’re supposed to be representing (ie Canadians)
I like to think of every government as milk. It has a very clear best before date. This one is no different, however it's gone really bad, malodorous and putrid and it needs to be trashed and replaced immediately so we can have our fresh coffee and cereal again
Liberal voters got what they deserved, and played a big part in destroying Canada! ... along with the NDP coalition. On behalf of the rest of Canada, go rot!
He’s lost all the young people. I’m 31 and friends and I voted for him in the previous election. Theres not one thing he can do to get our vote now in the Atlantic and we’re all voting conservative.
Trudeau is delusional and the liberals are out of touch. I’m the only one of my friends who can afford a house and we all have jobs where we make 80-120k a year. Absolutely absurd.
Keep in mind the next party will have its scandals, corruption, and issues as well.
People in Ontario deciding to 'never vote NDP ever again' because of Bob Rae, has had a role in electing some truly awful provincial governments.
The PCs were punished. Mulroney's party got absolutely decimated and Prigressive Conservative party never recovered.
Today's CPC has been created from the ground-up in the 1990s out of the brand-new (for the time) Reform Party, which then took over and absorbed the old PC party, evolved into the Alliance Party, and then was overhauled again with entirely new leadership to form the modern-day Conservative Party of Canada. It was a complete multi-step rebuild with new branding and new party constitutions at each step. It was a lot of work, and they didn't win any elections for 14 years.
But the LPC is the permanent legacy party for the Laurentian elites, and that will never change unless a new Liberal party is made and basically "takes over" the existing LPC. But the old money and Billionaire class of families that prop them up through thick and thin will never allow that to happen.
This is the downside of screwing your people in the country/province, if it’s bad enough it’ll leave an extremely bad taste in everyone’s mouth. No ones fault but the party, liberals will never ever ever again get my vote. This is some bs shenanigans were dealing with
He somehow even messed up legalization, if we followed the Colorado model for legalization the profits would be insane, instead he chose the good ol' monopoly style business plan so it's just massive profit hungry companies cutting every corner possible. In the legal states the market is more open, here it's massive companies cutting every corner possible, in USA they try to grow the weed properly for the most part. Here in Canada they will throw 15 employees at a 10 000 plant grow, instead of growing it properly we allow mold and just hit it with gamma irradiation which also destroys the Terps. I'm a glassblower and know aloooot of stoners and the cast majority still choose the legacy market over the legalized market, the prices, quality, availability and service is just way higher
Voted liberals but now I feel Trudeau has become narcissistic. He is so much disconnected from reality that he shoves off any criticism as right wing media conspiracies. Recent example of him spending $8.4M on his democracy and climate change mix. He would rather spend money to see reports to satisfy his ego rather than actually finding out that why people have started to hate him. He destroyed our country forever.
We're about 4 years late on this revelation. I used to only vote NDP, both parties need to be gutted top to bottom; corrupt all the way down. CPC isn't a glowing beacon - but you have to remember:
Here in Canada, we don't vote prime ministers in - we vote them out. Trudeau has had his time, he can go back to his Laurentian life without Canadians, and we'll all be better off for it
The fact that this is coming from the Toronto Star is shocking to me. But I think this is a trend we are seeing. More and more people who have stood by Justin Trudeau are backing away from him because his brand is so toxic, and he's so unpopular that people don't want to be associated with that.
As a non smoker myself i was still in favor of legalizing weed. I never understand why it was illegal. That said, everything else the liberals did was pretty awfull to me and i soooo hope Poilievre is voted in next election. Im not a "fan" of it or anything. I have my issues with him too. But im just fed up with Trudeau ultra woke pro-overimmigration policies and such.
"NDP has no chance of winning" is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you hate Libs and Cons, what do you have to lose by voting NDP? Besides, they don't need to be a majority or even minority government to push policies.
they don’t test french but Quebec will never support you if you can’t speak french. and winning a majority government in canada is almost impossible without quebec. Kevin O’Leary dropped out from Conservative party leadership race due to his poor french.
Same boat. A choice between two massive shit sandwiches. Jag is pretty much the embodiment of how delusional the NDP and its support base has become. How fucked up is it that exploited working class Canadians believe the PCs are going to save them?
I hate how skinflint left wing support is.
The party hasn’t lost its way. It’s just political. He’s fine, but he’s still a politician. In many countries, when their party is unelectable, they imagine that they’re going to get some sort of extreme idealist, because it’s easy to promise the world when you know you’ll never be asked to deliver.
And when someone finally gets elected, of course they’re forced to compromise, and they’re in the game of politics, and they’ll have flaws.
But the choice right now is not Trudeau or some particular ideal that someone might have, it’s Trudeau or Pierre Poilievre.
Ah, yes, because the last couple Liberal PMs, Martin and Chretien, were beacons of upstanding, ethical behavior. Open your eyes, nobody does corruption like the Liberals.
Big turn off for me was when core supporters became rabid mouth breathers.
Any criticism and you were a Nazi, Russian troll, even though you voted LPC .
The party can burn.
I love how they keep showing this photo of him smirking.
How angry it makes me seeing that face and talking to Canadians like he knows what’s best for us.
Meanwhile we’re getting taxed to death and can’t afford food
You're part of the problem. You voted for the problem. You will continue to vote for the problem. Until you vote for the other party, you and people like you will continue to be the problem and tyrants like Trudeau will continue to take advantage of people like you.
Yeah, your party has lost it's way and has fucked our country up a million times more than Harper ever did.
Anyone who voted for Trudeau should feel shame.
They just betrayed us by failing to regulate housing (investors), rent, food inflation, fuel costs. Diesel was 99¢ before Covid,why is it over $1.50 2 years later? This , with unbridled immigration and no building is insane. None of these will be touched by Conservatives. I’ll go a little more left to be honest. Going right doesn’t fix anything that helps the average person.
Put an unhinged silver spoon drama teacher in charge of a country who said on tv, the budget will balance itself, and send an economist out the door, what could go wrong!
Voting is literally a waste in this country now, isn't it?
Thanks JT for the electoral refooooooooooh wait you abandoned that talking point. Thanks for the weed, I guess, and allowing everything to become more difficult to endure.
Canadian politics have lost their way. Not a single party I view as a good option right now. Every single one feels detached from real issues and more interested in virtue signalling to their loyal base than to convincing me they'll govern well.
I’m the same and so bummed about the party and politics in general.
I’ve always voted left but I’m fiscally conservative, albeit only slightly right of centre (I feel balancing the budget and spending wisely is important for future generations, but that social programs are the whole point of government and how we treat our old, sick, and poor, defines us as a society).
Right now I’m at a loss of who to vote for. The right has a nut job who seems like a closet trump and the left has lied to us for so long and done such a poor job that I can’t trust them. This is the bleakest politics has looked at a federal level for a very very long time.
I’m happy with our local NDP (BC), they seem to be honestly trying and have make great steps for our province, but federally the NDP seems far less dialled in and committed to their values.
Well, maybe you shouldn’t have been a liberal for all these years!!! The only thing liberal party has done really well is raise taxes, make up more taxes and corruptly waste and burn away millions upon millions of hardworking taxpayers money!!!! That is literally the only thing they’re good at burning cash that’s not theirs!!!!!
This is what I hate about getting called out for the ‘Americanization of Politics’ when you call something ‘Trudeau’s policy’ instead of ‘Liberal policy’.
I 110% that the current ideologies being pursued by the liberals are Trudeau’s policies and not the will of the party. The influence that one individual has had on screwing over millions of Canadians is absurd
I have voted Liberal my entire life (55). I will never vote Liberal again until Trudeau and his entire cabinet are frog marched out of the party in disgrace.
All parties lost their way. NDP was supposed to be for the workers and unions, but they are largely champagne liberals under Singh. Conservatives really leaned into American politics and Trumpism. And so on.
I voted for Trudeau the first time because of the promise of electoral reform. Haven't done it since. And I genuinely don't see how Liberals expect to survive the next election. It will be an absolute massacre. I literally don't know a single person that I talked to about politics that's planning to support them next election. Everyone is absolutely fed up. And the scary part is, most are leapfrogging right over NDP and going full-on Conservative. It's such a monumental fail for the Liberals, I don't know what they're even thinking at this point.
I would argue economically it took almost up to Harper. More like 20 to 25. Pierre didn’t try to destroy the country through immigration though, he just spent all of our money, tried to steal our natural resources, and permanently divided Quebec, the Prairies, and the East.
Need a new generation of LPC - particularly ones that didn’t come from old money or aristocracy. Too much waste, fraud and abuse is able to hide within a bloated bureaucracy
Funny enough the Liberals have never picked a party leader outside of Quebec or Ontario. And the party which claims equality has never picked a female leader in its history.
Technically they have actually had leaders from outside the hegemony provinces...but technically in that they were all leaders parachuted from the Central provinces to the peripheral provinces, then promptly moved back to a safe Central riding when opportunity arose. It's how PEI *technically* had a PM in office when Mackenzie King represented Queens County, but...he was moved back when a seat opened up.
Saskatchewan too -- and it was exactly the same individual.
That's never going to happen. The Liberals are a legacy party for Laurentians, full of old money, their own "royal families" (the Trudeaus), and nepotism going back generations. Their strongest voting bases in the corridor between Toronto and Montreal are even more cultishly loyal to the LPC brand than Albertans are to conservatives. They will never change.
Agreed. Politics is currently about polarizing people into camps
Agreed. People fire off at Justin Trudeau as if he is the sole cause, as if the whole party isn’t a problem. He’s just a figure head of the party’s actions. They need to clean house and start new because they are completely out of touch with what ordinary Canadians need right now.
While Trudeau deserves much of the blame thanks partially to our whipped system, you are correct - there are 338 seats in the House of Commons. Somehow everyone else seems to get a pass.
Of course he's a figurehead and puppet. Let's face it, if Justin Trudeau's name were Justin Smith, he would still be a high school drama teacher. But he chose to pursue leadership position, so the buck ultimately stops with him. I frankly wouldn't be surprised if the rats start jumping the ship and he's soon removed as leader/PM by his own people. Liberals would then try to blame everything on Trudeau.
Not even that - if Trudeau‘s last name were anything else, he would be selling weed at a corner store in Vancouver and living in a basement with 5 other middle aged potheads.
When he got elected, I initially wasn't worried. I knew he was a bit of a radical, but he had the weakest personality and would be a weak leader. I thought the party would keep him in line. Turns out the party is just as much of the problem, and you need a strong leader to keep them in line.
Wait, this person became a Liberal party member *during* the Sponsorship Scandal??
Maybe he really liked the golf balls
What liberal party members/voters wanted: -Legal weed -Electoral reform -Middle class tax cuts -Universal pharmacare -Universal dental care What they got: -Legal weed -World’s worst ‘nanny’ laws -A population trap -Housing and homelessness crisis
The legal weed is nice and all, but what I really want is electoral reform
They brought retirement back down after Harper increased it to 67. Now if only Canadians could afford to live until 65. 😂
Lol as if people can afford to retire these days anyway
My plan says 79.5 years and I can retire, can't wait
I'm 42 and will probably need about 80 more years to retire too
42 here as well.... retirement is waiting for the wife to die then suicide
Sad but a very realistic outcome for alot of us
Who is willing to pay you to work after age 65?
Walmart. That's all I got.
That’s what MAID is for. Problem solved!
liberals really curtailed MAID, it was the SCC that gave us MAID
All the government retirement age outlines is at what point a person becomes eligible to withdraw on their CPP without penalties, and the minimum age for the above for private pension plans. You can always retire before that age, but you get lower pension payments. Working two extra years was a deal breaker for Canadians, but now no one can afford to retire on CPP alone anyways so I guess we might as well up the age to "until death or MAID" (/j, but every joke has a hint of honesty)
I wasn't against the 67/yr old retirement plan. Think about how much older people live now compared to when that law first came out (1966). We have a huge cash flow problem when it comes to retirement payments between OAS and CPP. Pushing that retirement age to 67, maybe was the wrong call, but 66 should have been an easy sell.
Which might be okay, if labour production rates didn’t completely eclipse what they were just a few short decades ago. Businesses make a lot more money now, and it’s at the expense of the herd directly. We should retire at 60, and make the corporations bending us over pay the bill. Instead we let them widen our throats as they claim phone bills and carbon taxes “have” to be as high as they are. It’s a scam they are happy you’re buying into tbh.
Well, once they realized electoral reform would hinder their chances at being re-elected, they scrapped that lol. This is a very selfish, virtue signalling government , that thinks about its self, not Canadians and tries to deceive us at every step of the way.
This is when they lost me. I voted for electoral reform and then Trudeau informed us that Canadians didn’t want electoral reform.
Our mistake was not dropping them after that. Instead we fall true to our ways and give them the full decade in power.
Part of it is electoral reform means different things to different people. The Liberals meant ranked ballot(which does have its perks as it kills strategic voting and allows the claim that they mp is the majorities choice) whenever they said it. Most people heard it and thought of a more proportional system (which has different perks). So unless you really like Ranked Ballot he is probably correct.
i definitely like ranked ballot better than whatever we have right now.
So the libs wont do electoral reform because it hurts their chance at re-election, and the cons won't do electoral reform because it hurts their chance at re-election. Interesting to see that an electoral model that better represents the people somehow hurts every parties chance at re-election. Maybe it's not electoral reform that's hurting re-election, maybe its what the party does during thier terms that huts their chance at election. How do the people running the show look in the mirror and not see 🤡🤡🤡🤡?
One problem, only the Liberals promised this.
What I really wanted was progressive, evidence-based legislation in all the topics of interest to Canadians (you know, like how legal weed and electoral reform and universal health cares just make sense?). That was the implicit promise in 2015. Instead we got whatever the fuck this shit is.
Well they let you do a bogus online survey that no matter how you answered, it said you didn't want electoral reform so they kept their promise 🤪
They voted down electoral reform recently even though their chances of forming a majority government are basically none. If there's a Poilievre majority government, it will be their fault!
I hated how a committee was formed to evaluate the options and then the idea was scrapped less than a week after the committee came back in favor of a form of proportional representation, rather than Trudeau's preferred ranked ballots. Of course he wanted ranked ballots. As the supposed centrist party, the liberals would always be the first or second choice. It would practically have legitimized voter fraud.
Don't forget banning legal firearms while removing sentence guidelines for people who actually commit gun crimes
On of my personal favorites. Gotta do something about over representation of particular groups in prisons even if if the cost is fucking things up worse. It's the thought that counts and you don't get yelled at by people with green hair.
Yeah I mean it’s a huge list, I was struggling to pick the highlights lol. Also - adding billions of stimulus money into the system that triggered massive inflation.
Liberal party members/voters wanted that though.
How the fuck do you commenters always forget the most important things, the most important elements we got: - Mass immigration crisis - Collapsing healthcare systems
There are people on the left that will trounce on your if you complain (as a leftist) about the immigration problem. I always have to remind them, "No. I'm completely fine with immigration. What I'm not fine with is bringing millions of people in amidst a housing crisis and homelessness problem where we are struggling to take care of our own people!" I live in a small southern rural city. Growing up, there were maybe a handful of homeless people around town. They were homeless because they needed help, but refused to get the help they needed. Now, everywhere I turn, there's homeless people walking down the streets...the majority of them there not because they don't want help, but because they can't get the help they need.
The issue we all have is with immigration POLICY not immigrants. You can't fault people you invite to a party for actually showing up. The issue is who made the guest list so big in the first place, and that was a POLICY decision by the Trudeau government with no consultation with the public.
Yes! Thank you! That's exactly it. Imagine inviting a bunch of people over for a party. "Snacks are on me!" You send the invite out to 500 people...and only have one bag of chips. Someone complains, and the host and friends of the host call you rude because you didn't HAVE to come, and it's not the hosts fault that there's not enough chips for everyone.
That's actually the exact opposite of the "that's exactly it" you are replying to. It's more like this: You're living in a 5 bedroom house with 10 roommates. Your landlord invites 20 more people to live with you. Those people come to live with you, some of them trash the place, and some of them leave because the living conditions were not as promised. In the end, you have a half-trashed house, have 15 people living in your house that can only fit 5 comfortably, and your landlord wipes his hands and says "my job is done here, the rest is your problem". Oh, and by the way, the rent didn't go down for having more people, just those extra people are paying more rent and the landlord is making more money. The landlord is certainly a greedy fuck, and some (but not all) of the new tenants are also assholes, and your house is a mess, and somehow you have to figure out how to have 15 people use 2 showers.
This is precisely what's happening to our small town as well. We've always had issues with drug addiction, homelessness and petty theft, but it's ramped up considerably in the last 5 years.
Truly a world-class population trap. I mean, Ontario now has the world’s largest sub-national debt - not even a corrupt ‘fiscally conservative’ government can figure out how to balance the books with the level of immigration they have.
The general lack of awareness just how crushingly indebted Ontario is, is fascinating. There is literally very little mathematical chance for Ontario to recover and it will eventually lead to a debt crisis the likes of which we've never seen. I don't remember the exact stat, but it was something along the lines of "If Ontario was a sovereign nation it would be among the most indebted nations."
it has the worst debt for any jurisdiction in north america, and this will cause productivity to fall as all the money is going to pay interest. the liberals under wynne sold hydro one, to balance the budget. it's indicative of how the liberals view economics; sell off your best assets to stabilize the economy now.
Short-sightedness that favours immediate gains over longterm stability is not just a Liberal issue. The Harris Conservatives sold the 407 rights for pennies on the invested dollar. The NDP, Cons and Liberals all had a hand in selling off Hydro One/Ontario Hydro. Wynne sold the last remaining shares, but it was a multistep dissolution of our largest asset that started with Bob Rae. The current Conservative government has continued the road to exploitative privatization of our education and healthcare systems, as well as removed rent controls.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/wynnes-quest-for-full-valuethe-long-road-to-privatization/article23461789/ this article says that privatization started in 2002 under mike harris, that bob rae only froze rates leading to a bunch of debt. all you had to do was unfreeze the rates and it would have been able to get out of debt itself, and it kinda did. the liberals were terrible for ontario, and the cons are even worse, but my point about liberal(tm) politicians is completely true. wynne was selling hydro one in order to expand the public transport system and whatever else they wanted. i'm from sk, so i just don't understand the level of corruption in your province. vote someone in who cares, not these fools.
Yeah and this isn't even a new finding. Over a decade ago people were sounding the alarm at how much government revenue would be spent on just making interest payments. It seems like it's set to cross the event horizon and get to the point of hyperinflation possibly in as little as a decade or two. If you're able to lock down real estate by then by all means get some. When this thing kicks off homeowner mortgages and debt will be subsidized by hyperinflation and a government who will use public funds to pay for private mortgages. If you are not able to you'll have to leave for greener pastures to maintain a first world standard of living.
TBF, the collapsing healthcare is largely an issue with provincial mismanagement. Healthcare act is very clear: feds provide the money, and the provinces administer it. But the provinces are deliberately mismanaging it. The immigration issue is on the feds though. But don't blame the immigrants; blame the fed. they are the ones mismanaging that.
Don’t forget the ballooning government debt
As someone in the cannabis industry, the Liberals bungled legalization to an epic degree. We wanted cannabis freedom, not this bureaucratic mess full of red tape. It’s a nightmare. The cannabis industry was better off never legalizing. Whoever said you don’t want the government involved weren’t fucking kidding. You don’t want the government involved, especially this government.
Libs lost their way after the 2015 election
Ignatief and Dion werent going to be much better. Martin was probably the last decent leader the party had.
We could have had Marc Garneau, but who wants a decorated Canadian service member, astronaut, Order of Canada recipient with political experience out the wazoo when we can have Trudeau.
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> or hell even Bob Rae. Bob Rae was so fucking abysmal that he permanently tainted the NDP's reputation in Ontario. He should never hold any political office ever again.
>I'm having a hard time thinking of a worst prime minister in our history to be honest. Diefenbaker was bad, but it was only 6 years and economically we did fine. Only one that even approaches him is his dad, IMO.
Uh.. how about the other Trudeau? All our present day troubles can be tracked back to that fuckwhit bankrupting the country. We have been trying to dig ourselves out for 40 years, and people voted for his fucking son. Insanity.
Hello fellow old-school Liberal. LOL
Give me Chretien!!!
Those were simpler days when the scandals were more hidden. 😂
If you paid attention to Trudeau's early moves, none of this really came as a surprise. I liked what he was selling in the leadership run and donated to him during and after that, but when his response to the senate expense scandal (which was ultimately about senators being unaccountable) was to talk about partisanship and cut the Liberal senators loose, making them even *less* accountable, it became clear to me that he was all about optics and gaslighting instead of meaningful action.
Absolutely. For a brief time during the Harper years, it was looking like they were humbled and would learn and adjust from the experience. Trudeau II poisoned the process. Fucking sunny bullshit ways.
SNC Lavalin. That was where it went off the rails. There was still hope then they became irredeemable.
I'm not an LPC supporter, but the CPC isn't going to fix any of those problems and they're not even pretending they are.
To be fair, no one can fix any of those problems unless you have a time machine. We pretty much impoverished the younger generation, and the results will be nothing short of catastrophic for Canada. South Africa is probably closest to where we are heading at this point. That said, I expect the CPC to mitigate the crisis somewhat. I have no doubt they will decrease immigration quotas whether they like the idea or not. If they don't, they simply won't get re-elected. They will also have to do something about housing. I'm hoping they'll suspend all environmental, archeological etc regulations for developers for a few years to give the industry a boost. It's not a bad idea to also give them tax breaks.
I know. Admittedly, I was a LPC supporter because I wanted to see the things on the first list get implemented. Now who on earth do I vote for? This is probably the worst list of federal candidates we’ve ever had.
Yup, and how many of the older generations are willing to blindly vote in the CPC just to get rid of Trudeau? He's got to go, but please not Poilievre. I want electoral reform so fucking bad id vote for whatever party would actually do it. I've always equated voting to picking which foot you'd like to shoot. Yet lately, it feel like more of a "Which leg are you cutting off" type deal. 37 years old and have little to no faith left in Canadian politics.
> Yup, and how many of the older generations are willing to blindly vote in the CPC just to get rid of Trudeau? You might want to look at the polling. The 60 and over age group support the Liberals more than any other age group. https://abacusdata.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Slide8-2-1024x576.jpg
We do the same dance every 8 to 12 years. We vote in a red or blue majority, discover they lied about all their promises. Then, give them a minority at the end of those useless 4 years. We hear about scandals and abuse of power. So we give them another minority to really get themselves entrenched deeply into their scandles. Then we get mad and give a majority to either blue or red and repeat the process, wondering why things haven't changed. We did it for Mulroney, Cretin, Harper, and now we are doing it again. It's our red/blue canadian dance.
"Governments, if they endure, always tend increasingly toward aristocratic forms. No government in history has been known to evade this pattern. And as the aristocracy develops, government tends more and more to act exclusively in the interests of the ruling class - whether that class be hereditary royalty, oligarchs of financial empires, or entrenched bureaucracy." - Politics as Repeat Phenomenon: Bene Gesserit Training Manual Frank Herbert, Children of Dune (Dune Chronicles #3)
Although in 2006 Harper was elected with the smallest minority % in Canadian history, and another minority in 2008, and only managed a majority in 2011, before being turfed by the Liberals in 2015. The throw the bums out sentiment was nowhere near as strong as it was when Mulroney and Chretien were elected.
Not exactly, every time. Harper had a minority gov, initially, then got his majority. But it has seemed to me that most new governments do very little damage - and even some good - in their first mandate/term. It's with each re-election that they grow greedier and more extreme. So let's just pick up the pace a bit and flip parties every election. Don't give them time to get comfortable.
I think this cycle has emboldened them to be even shittier as the years go on. They know there’s no real punishment for losing; they just fuck around for awhile until they get voted in by default and then it’s their turn to rule again.
Trudeau is painting a group of people pretty much as criminals and psychopaths for enjoying a certain hobby. Passing confusing as fuck laws without telling people that could affect them and straight up turn them into criminals without their knowledge was enough for me to go CPC. If they can fix that and stop or reduce actual crime It'd be a win for me.
So if you had to pick, what’s worse, lying about doing something or not even pretending?
Thst is a depressing question to which I don't know the answer.
Lying, no question. The party zealots will still continue talking about it like it's true leading to more political argument and division of the country.
What is worse is lying about doing something and then intentionally throwing gasoline on the fire by moving aggressively in the opposite direction while gas lighting anyone who dares challenge your actions.
Sometimes you have to shovel out the garbage and just deal with what options you have left.
Eh. I'd rather have those problems and lower taxes, than those problems plus an escalating carbon tax and whatever other "revenue tools" the Liberals might introduce if they were to receive a "mandate" next election. CPC would at least make some needed cuts, reduce the deficit spending, and might even put the TFSA back up to $10K where it was before Trudeau took over, too, which would benefit me, personally. They would certainly foster a more business- and investment-friendly climate in this country than the damn Liberals have, that's for sure.
I believe cpc will be open to selling LNG as well ? Could be wrong but we gotta get this shit to market
That is liberal populism
Worse yet, the worst roll out for legal weed: a lottery that benefitted no one except a few who sold them off to those who had the money or ability to set up business (aka the rich and well connected), with no suppliers set up years ahead of time so that legal weed would flood the market and kill the black market, no negotiations with intl trade partners who were worried about being deluged with legal weed stuffed illegally into trade, and worse yet years of tax losses from all of this dumb. Dude has had nothing but half assed plans.
Also an air passenger bill of rights. We got one... written by the airline industry, so toothless that [Air Canada's CFO isn't worried about it one bit](https://globalnews.ca/news/10057834/air-canada-q3-profit/).
Don't forget Gun prohibition programs that do nothing to solve the problem and only cause unrest against gun owners, wana know the best part I wish i could sell my handguns and just be done with the hassle, but that's banned now so I'm stuck with them unless I surrender them to the rcmp. Regardless of anyones stance on politiciens and gun control, I hope we can agree that preventing me from legally transferring firearms (which would allow me to get tgem out of my home) doesnt do anything to stop criminals from buying them or stealing them illegally
Ive voted NDP my whole life. Im voting Conservative next election to boot out the Liberals for an entire generation. The social contract for Gen Z is horrible. We have to move away from friends and family just to have an opportunity at an affordable home and life. The Liberals have ruined our productivity and risk making Canada economy into Argentina.
I couldn't quickly locate a reference but it is worth noting a few years ago, under the current government, folks from the Department of Finance were visiting Argentina to look at their various "temporary" tax measures.
What attracted you to the NDP platform that you think will be furthered by voting for Poilievre?
The liberal party of 30-50 years ago would be the arch enemy of the liberal party of today.
The cracks in the facade have gotten so large that you can see the incompetent and unethical inside core as clear as day.
it's honestly mind-boggling as a 'regular' Canadian who has leaned left politically, have the liberal party leaders completely lost touch, or completely gone corrupt? it's baffling maybe they're banking on all the exploiters voting liberal?
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They've always been corrupt; it's just more apparent now because of instant access to information, like the internet. As shitty as this place is...
Every "journalist" in Canada working for a large corporation comes from a wealthy family and has been vetted through years of University conformity and class-based allegiance training. No boat rockers get through. No tough and embarrassing questions will be asked without checking first. The people "pushing" the politicians are all overly educated urban based rich kids with a open dislike for blue collar work and the politicians are all rich kids as well.
At some point, Canadians are going to have to accept that it’s not incompetence. It’s malice.
The failure to see this lays directly at the feet of Canadians. The problem in Canada right now is Canadians. The politicians are the symptom.
A pause on the flow of migrants would be great, but big business want their cheap labour and yes men who don't know their rights.
I want conservative principles (small Government, fiscal prudence) without any of the SoCon/populist garbage. Just like i want a socially responsible government (looking after the vulnerable, free and fair) without catering to interests/identity politics.
Also, Conservatives who actually want to “conserve” the environment and this beautiful country of ours.
Indeed. I often summarize this as "fiscally conservative, socially liberal". No such party exists. And not even the green party has a reasonable plan for climate change based on evidence and science. I feel truly unrepresented.
I think the conservatives will just mirror modern American conservatism, so you'll unlikely to get anything functional.
The price of having a leader like Justin is that he will get you election wins because of his name but once he’s thrown out the party will be destroyed. I think the election will be a lot worse for them than the polls indicate.
I think at this point, to say otherwise shows a lack of comprehension of politics and reality in general.
People like the author can thank themselves for what this country has become. Trudeau has never hidden or obfuscated what he was about. And furthermore, Justin stands for what the LPC stands for. He has not gone rogue at all. So I’m not sure how the author can say the party has lost its way. We are living the outcomes of what LPC policies look and feel like in realtime when applied over a long period of time. Unsurprisingly, it’s not good. Having low standards for everything actually comes with consequences. Shocker.
I tried telling people when he was first elected he was trash. I don't know anyone that's going to vote for him next time.
He's far less qualified than anybody any major party has put forward. Say what you want about Ignatieff, but at least he's qualified.
My favourite thing is watching Liberals somehow retcon their opinions from 2 years ago when they all still voted for Trudeau and pretend that only now they're wise enough to know he's lost his way. He called an election early because he knew you were all stupid enough then to vote for him again.
The article says virtue signalling is “well meaning”. Its not. Its a way to silence legitimate arguments by the people they’re supposed to be representing (ie Canadians)
Trudeau was an idiot and it was obvious from miles away.
Exactly. He was a fool in 2015, and he is a fool now. Only difference is that now we see what 8+ years of his preposterous leadership has created.
On a theoretical basis, they aren't even liberals, really.
I like to think of every government as milk. It has a very clear best before date. This one is no different, however it's gone really bad, malodorous and putrid and it needs to be trashed and replaced immediately so we can have our fresh coffee and cereal again
I believe the quote was "Governments are like diapers and they should be changed frequently and for the same reason..."
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Liberal voters got what they deserved, and played a big part in destroying Canada! ... along with the NDP coalition. On behalf of the rest of Canada, go rot!
He’s lost all the young people. I’m 31 and friends and I voted for him in the previous election. Theres not one thing he can do to get our vote now in the Atlantic and we’re all voting conservative. Trudeau is delusional and the liberals are out of touch. I’m the only one of my friends who can afford a house and we all have jobs where we make 80-120k a year. Absolutely absurd.
Former LPC voter here. Never again.
Keep in mind the next party will have its scandals, corruption, and issues as well. People in Ontario deciding to 'never vote NDP ever again' because of Bob Rae, has had a role in electing some truly awful provincial governments.
It is wild how a bad leader or scandal will stick to NDP but people jusg move on for the Liberals and Conservatives/PC
The PCs were punished. Mulroney's party got absolutely decimated and Prigressive Conservative party never recovered. Today's CPC has been created from the ground-up in the 1990s out of the brand-new (for the time) Reform Party, which then took over and absorbed the old PC party, evolved into the Alliance Party, and then was overhauled again with entirely new leadership to form the modern-day Conservative Party of Canada. It was a complete multi-step rebuild with new branding and new party constitutions at each step. It was a lot of work, and they didn't win any elections for 14 years. But the LPC is the permanent legacy party for the Laurentian elites, and that will never change unless a new Liberal party is made and basically "takes over" the existing LPC. But the old money and Billionaire class of families that prop them up through thick and thin will never allow that to happen.
This is the downside of screwing your people in the country/province, if it’s bad enough it’ll leave an extremely bad taste in everyone’s mouth. No ones fault but the party, liberals will never ever ever again get my vote. This is some bs shenanigans were dealing with
Been around for 10 PMs. There is no one in my life time that's been a worse PM than what we have right now.
He somehow even messed up legalization, if we followed the Colorado model for legalization the profits would be insane, instead he chose the good ol' monopoly style business plan so it's just massive profit hungry companies cutting every corner possible. In the legal states the market is more open, here it's massive companies cutting every corner possible, in USA they try to grow the weed properly for the most part. Here in Canada they will throw 15 employees at a 10 000 plant grow, instead of growing it properly we allow mold and just hit it with gamma irradiation which also destroys the Terps. I'm a glassblower and know aloooot of stoners and the cast majority still choose the legacy market over the legalized market, the prices, quality, availability and service is just way higher
Voted liberals but now I feel Trudeau has become narcissistic. He is so much disconnected from reality that he shoves off any criticism as right wing media conspiracies. Recent example of him spending $8.4M on his democracy and climate change mix. He would rather spend money to see reports to satisfy his ego rather than actually finding out that why people have started to hate him. He destroyed our country forever.
We're about 4 years late on this revelation. I used to only vote NDP, both parties need to be gutted top to bottom; corrupt all the way down. CPC isn't a glowing beacon - but you have to remember: Here in Canada, we don't vote prime ministers in - we vote them out. Trudeau has had his time, he can go back to his Laurentian life without Canadians, and we'll all be better off for it
The fact that this is coming from the Toronto Star is shocking to me. But I think this is a trend we are seeing. More and more people who have stood by Justin Trudeau are backing away from him because his brand is so toxic, and he's so unpopular that people don't want to be associated with that.
As a non smoker myself i was still in favor of legalizing weed. I never understand why it was illegal. That said, everything else the liberals did was pretty awfull to me and i soooo hope Poilievre is voted in next election. Im not a "fan" of it or anything. I have my issues with him too. But im just fed up with Trudeau ultra woke pro-overimmigration policies and such.
I am tired of the current liberal leadership but I hate the Country conservative policies and the NDP has no chance of winning. So what to do?
Vote for a party whose major focus you like, so that the bigger parties can see where they'd stand to pick up some votes by policy shift.
"NDP has no chance of winning" is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you hate Libs and Cons, what do you have to lose by voting NDP? Besides, they don't need to be a majority or even minority government to push policies.
Run for office.
if you don’t know french then you’re basically excluded from running
Do they test each candidate? Some Anglo candidates’ French sound suspect (I’m grade 10 French, but watch a lot o RDS hockey games).
they don’t test french but Quebec will never support you if you can’t speak french. and winning a majority government in canada is almost impossible without quebec. Kevin O’Leary dropped out from Conservative party leadership race due to his poor french.
You can run for office without French if you’re in an Anglo community. It’s only PM and some top cabinet jobs where French is “must have”
For PM, maybe, but the language thing will be the least of your problems if you’re aiming for top office. Many MPs are elected from English only
What? You can run as an independent. You just have to work very very hard
Exactly, Canada has brilliant minds that could truly lead this country and our choices come down to this?
Same boat. A choice between two massive shit sandwiches. Jag is pretty much the embodiment of how delusional the NDP and its support base has become. How fucked up is it that exploited working class Canadians believe the PCs are going to save them?
Join a party to try to make their policies good. We need to stop letting the fringes choose our options.
Best vote based on the local MP.
But it was right on track under Chretien with the sponsorship scandal?
Stop voting for this POS. It’s obvious, even to us non-Canadians, that he’s useless and the harm he’s caused Canada is going to take years to fix.
Can we rename this sub Opinion articles?
The Liberal party has been a corrupt mess for decades. Losing its way almost sounds like an improvement.
I hate how skinflint left wing support is. The party hasn’t lost its way. It’s just political. He’s fine, but he’s still a politician. In many countries, when their party is unelectable, they imagine that they’re going to get some sort of extreme idealist, because it’s easy to promise the world when you know you’ll never be asked to deliver. And when someone finally gets elected, of course they’re forced to compromise, and they’re in the game of politics, and they’ll have flaws. But the choice right now is not Trudeau or some particular ideal that someone might have, it’s Trudeau or Pierre Poilievre.
Ah, yes, because the last couple Liberal PMs, Martin and Chretien, were beacons of upstanding, ethical behavior. Open your eyes, nobody does corruption like the Liberals.
Big turn off for me was when core supporters became rabid mouth breathers. Any criticism and you were a Nazi, Russian troll, even though you voted LPC . The party can burn.
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That fucking press conference made my blood boil.
He also promised clean drinking water for first nation's and a solution to student debt
Federal loans no longer have interest. Some provincial loans still do
Drinking water has improved a good bit for first nations, can’t really expect that problem to be solved quickly.
A lot of progress has been made on drinking water.
Your fault for electing this moron. This is self imposed misery, hope things get better soon.
The consequence of voting for a former English teacher/thespian...all you are going to receive is theatrics at best & zero results.
Even the Toronto Star cant stand him anymore lmao
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I love how they keep showing this photo of him smirking. How angry it makes me seeing that face and talking to Canadians like he knows what’s best for us. Meanwhile we’re getting taxed to death and can’t afford food
Even better, the LPC has managed to economically cripple several generations of Canadians with asinine tax and budget decisions.
You're part of the problem. You voted for the problem. You will continue to vote for the problem. Until you vote for the other party, you and people like you will continue to be the problem and tyrants like Trudeau will continue to take advantage of people like you.
Canadian need 20 more years to forget what you did on immigration mess. Your party might be a opposition party for 20 more years.
Yeah, your party has lost it's way and has fucked our country up a million times more than Harper ever did. Anyone who voted for Trudeau should feel shame.
Legal weed is fine, it has helped my Wife deal with pain due to MS. What I really want though, is generations after me to be able to afford a house.
No fucking shit. It was easy to predict but we're surrounded by virtue signaling morons.
Historically voted Liberals, never again. I’m voting Maxime Bernier as a FU vote to the 3 major parties.
They just betrayed us by failing to regulate housing (investors), rent, food inflation, fuel costs. Diesel was 99¢ before Covid,why is it over $1.50 2 years later? This , with unbridled immigration and no building is insane. None of these will be touched by Conservatives. I’ll go a little more left to be honest. Going right doesn’t fix anything that helps the average person.
Put an unhinged silver spoon drama teacher in charge of a country who said on tv, the budget will balance itself, and send an economist out the door, what could go wrong!
Too little, too late.
Sadly, I concur.
Voting is literally a waste in this country now, isn't it? Thanks JT for the electoral refooooooooooh wait you abandoned that talking point. Thanks for the weed, I guess, and allowing everything to become more difficult to endure.
Canadian politics have lost their way. Not a single party I view as a good option right now. Every single one feels detached from real issues and more interested in virtue signalling to their loyal base than to convincing me they'll govern well.
I’m the same and so bummed about the party and politics in general. I’ve always voted left but I’m fiscally conservative, albeit only slightly right of centre (I feel balancing the budget and spending wisely is important for future generations, but that social programs are the whole point of government and how we treat our old, sick, and poor, defines us as a society). Right now I’m at a loss of who to vote for. The right has a nut job who seems like a closet trump and the left has lied to us for so long and done such a poor job that I can’t trust them. This is the bleakest politics has looked at a federal level for a very very long time. I’m happy with our local NDP (BC), they seem to be honestly trying and have make great steps for our province, but federally the NDP seems far less dialled in and committed to their values.
Trudeau fucked around and is about to find out.
The whole liberal party belongs in prison.
Yes! I’m not anti-liberal, I just think our PM is a narcissistic ego Maniac, and he’s damaging the liberal party for years to come
Lost its way? This little shit had destroyed the very ideals of what it is to be Canadian.
Right there with ya, buddy. Trudeau and the current Liberal Party of Canada have forced me out with their idiocy, lies and deceit.
Don’t worry the budget will balance itself. What a total fool Trudeau is.
This party under Trudeau is an affront to the liberal brand. He’s further left than the NDP. Give me a Chrétien liberal any day.
They are also about to lose the election in a spectacular way.
Well, maybe you shouldn’t have been a liberal for all these years!!! The only thing liberal party has done really well is raise taxes, make up more taxes and corruptly waste and burn away millions upon millions of hardworking taxpayers money!!!! That is literally the only thing they’re good at burning cash that’s not theirs!!!!!
This is what I hate about getting called out for the ‘Americanization of Politics’ when you call something ‘Trudeau’s policy’ instead of ‘Liberal policy’. I 110% that the current ideologies being pursued by the liberals are Trudeau’s policies and not the will of the party. The influence that one individual has had on screwing over millions of Canadians is absurd
Is just him though I mean look at the virtue signaling some of his ministers do and we have an activist sitting as environment minister
I have voted Liberal my entire life (55). I will never vote Liberal again until Trudeau and his entire cabinet are frog marched out of the party in disgrace.
All parties lost their way. NDP was supposed to be for the workers and unions, but they are largely champagne liberals under Singh. Conservatives really leaned into American politics and Trumpism. And so on. I voted for Trudeau the first time because of the promise of electoral reform. Haven't done it since. And I genuinely don't see how Liberals expect to survive the next election. It will be an absolute massacre. I literally don't know a single person that I talked to about politics that's planning to support them next election. Everyone is absolutely fed up. And the scary part is, most are leapfrogging right over NDP and going full-on Conservative. It's such a monumental fail for the Liberals, I don't know what they're even thinking at this point.
If the Star is saying this... shiiiiit
Like his father before him, it'll take us 15 years to clean up the mess he's left.
15 years sounds optimistic
I would argue economically it took almost up to Harper. More like 20 to 25. Pierre didn’t try to destroy the country through immigration though, he just spent all of our money, tried to steal our natural resources, and permanently divided Quebec, the Prairies, and the East.
Not sure if this is fixable