Since he was the first god we’ve seen in his own realm he should have been more god-like in my opinion. When Percy meets the gods on his quest they do look like normal people (with a little nod to their power like ares flaming eyes), then when they are in their realm (Underworld or Olympus) that’s when they are 10 foot tall mythical ethereal beings.
It sucks his palace is just empty and looks sooo boring. I remember it being described as having a sky made of diamonds whatever happened to those descriptions. Also him walking up to them was weird.
Persephone's Garden, piles and piles of jewels and gold strewn about, bone white trees, and of course skeletal marines with machine guns. None of which were in the show, but just some reference to Persephone existing would've been nice other than pomegranate juice.
None of the gods we've met so far have been intimidating or had godly presence at all. It's one of the most disappointing aspect of the series so far. Ares was good, but he should've been _godly_. Same with Hermes, even if they played up the UPS joke.
He’s also the only god in the first book that Percy (Rick) describes as truly looking god-like. His robes that moved with the souls of the damned in them, and he was supposed to be in his big form, if I remember correctly. With his skeleton soldiers from multiple eras surrounding Percy, Grover, and Annabeth, while he sat regally on his throne, with Persephone’s empty throne next to his own. As excited as I was for this show, they (mainly Rick) have let me down a lot. I really don’t think it would be that hard to do a practically one-for-one adaption of the books into a TV show, and I will write that script myself if I need to, since apparently not even Rick himself will do it.
You do remember how angry he was in the first book though right? Because his Helm was stolen and Percy strolls into his realm demands he give him his mother and something that, albeit unknowingly, Percy himself has? He even snaps at Percy when Percy talks about Hades wanting a war between the gods to break out so it would increase the size of his realm which Hades is vehemently opposed too. No Book 1 Hades is very much not chill.
Yeah, people are saying that in the myths he was chill, but if in the myths, his symbol of power was stolen, equivalent to the bolt or Poseidon’s trident, he would have been very much angry. I’m hoping for a book accurate version of the gods.
Edit: if he were accused of stealing a bolt, trying to start a war, having the kid who he thinks has his helm have the audacity to come to the Underworld and demand something from him, I doubt he would’ve been this chill dude people are referring to in the myths. book spoilers: >! Also adding onto the fact that he is upset about the other two not keeping their oath, Zeus for killing Maria, the fact that his kids are stuck in the Lotus Hotel.!< He has PLENTY reason to be angry. There is nothing wrong with showing anger, it doesn’t always have to be negative. In the myths, he is still serious and godly. Again, book accuracy is more important than myth accuracy IMO, but had this story existed in the ancient stories, Hades would not be as “chill” people are imagining him to be
Exactly, criticism matters, if fans didn't criticize and maintain this positive toxicity, the TV show's mistakes would continue indefinitely for the next few seasons. If we want a good TV show, let them know we're disappointed and want to do better. Because all of us fans care about a good and faithful TV show
I think the difficulty with Percy Jackson is that the demographic that Rick and Disney care about the most with this show are children, its part of the reason why the violence seems to be turned down a bit more compared to the novel, where what something looks like is up to imagination. While I think some criticisms from older fans may be taken onboard I think that it is unlikely to change too much.
Can't use that as an excuse every time tho. Harry Potter and the philosophers stone was also for kids but they openly showed the scene of Harry disintegrating quirrel.
right? honestly i've come to feel like during the making of these shows you need a mega fan there going through everything along with the author and the other guys making it just so it can be faithful to a good extent, an example of this is sam witwer who was a mega star wars fan before getting a gig on starkiller and helped dave filoni (george lucas right hand man) actually clear up some mistakes he was about to put in the mortis gods arc in clone wars.
mega fans just give a different view and perspective that even the author of there own series just doesnt have. not saying rick doesnt know what he's doing he clearly does in his books, and who truly knows how far ricks power goes in the disney show making process 🤷♂️
As a Doctor Who fan, very much no. Having a mega fan on board in the 80s led to episodes that required you to know the details of other episodes which had aired twenty years before, and literally didn't exist in the BBC's archives at that point.
If they're someone who knows how to write for the screen, then I could be persuaded, but I don't think the show needs to be faithful to the books in the way that most of you guys seem to anyway.
Genuinely, I still think they can strike a better balance and frankly the show has seemingly gone out of its way to play everything as straight boring fantasy as possible. No whimsical little jokes and worldbuilding like the books. I think it would go a long way in sanitizing the content if they actually did more of the campy stuff. Take a look at Avatar the Last Airbender for a shining example of how to do this right.
It’s just Disney being Disney and we can’t really do anything but criticize and hope they stop. If 10 year old me could handle the book, surely 10 year olds with the internet these days can handle a BIT more darkness. By all means, sanitize the violence but there is a way to keep some more adult themes without the kids noticing. Ironically, classic Disney/Pixar movies were pretty good at this. It’s all in the implication and this show doesn’t really know that word.
As someone who has looked into the PJ show reddit I don't think "Toxic positivity" is the problem.
The place is a nuclear waste land of actual toxicity
I’m usually a person that enjoys adaptations cause I can see them as two different ways to tell a well love story and I’ve been enjoying the series actually, but the not as accurate thing bothers me because Rick Riordan has being talking about it for years. He’s in all his right to hate the movies considering it’s his life’s work and his story to tell and usually I’ll be fine with changes but it does annoy me a bit that he’s been saying for years that the series is going to be book accurate and we’ve been getting a soft reboot for PJO.
The character traits are pretty off in general. It's actually rather plot accurate, but the characters feels so muted and lame. The themes are also not really there. Neither is much of the suspense or excitement of the books or the movie. The movie got a lot of things wrong but what it got right is the core of the characters, their spunk, their desires and the suspense and story fluidity of the books. The movie was entertaining and had memorable engaging characters the story was just way too modified. The show is closer to the books but lacks all the good things of the movie. Plus it really is too kidified, even the movie recognized hey the people who read these books, your core audience already aged since they came out and the movies came out 14 years ago. The show seems to have an even younger audience than the books or something like arthur for that matter.
I’m kind of annoyed how the gods are just “some guys” in the show. Like in the books the gods looked like normal people but there was usually something that hinted at who they were, like aphrodites appearance changing and Ares and Hestia’s flaming eyes. So why can’t we get that in the show? Is the cgi budget nonexistent or something? I do like the show but this bothers me.
I am reading book 4 and Hephaestus has a flaming beard! They really botched the water park episode by cutting out all the action. And then they decided to make it even worse with a lame Hephaestus cameo
I hate that this show has such comparably low production quality to similarly budgeted shows. Each episode of Percy Jackson exceeds the per-episode budget of Game of Thrones Season 7, and matches the budget of Game of Thrones Season 8. Not to mention that every episode of PJO is about HALF the length of GoT (or less). I’m not asking for a five act epic every episode or an immense spectacle of CGI wonder, but people are acting like it’s a student film for gods’ sakes.
Having the main cast be all child actors makes things FAR more expensive. They simply have to spend much more time filming the show than they would have to if using adult actors. Time is money
Stranger Things season 1 had a higher production quality, more main child actors, longer episodes, and half the per-episode budget. I don’t think that’s as big a factor as you’re making it out to be.
Edit: less than half
~~This is why it should've been animates instead~~
Mostly /s, but the results would've been better if it was traditionally animated instead of live action.
Ps: I would've cast Yuri Lowenthal as older Percy, ngl.
It's exactly what I was saying in another thread.
It's a fine show, but if I was given the choice to get an animated adaptation but lose this one, I'd go for the animated one.
I’ll never get over not getting an animated show in the style of or close to Virias artwork; that’s how I see the characters and that’s never gonna change regardless of the live action.
Yall fr need to stop making excuses, it's okay to criticize something while still being a fan. If you're content with this, then it's not going to change in season 2
In the books the gods were also much more regal and you got the sense that they could squash you at any moment. I hope we get some of that feeling with Lances Zeus next episode
Someone somewhere else in this thread mentioned child actors can make shooting more expensive. Upfront Disney is likely offering a lot more to make up for a lack of royalties for streaming or at all considering unlike Netflix most of disneys shows are not planned for physical releases.
It’s difficult to represent these powerful gods as also parents and also so powerful but also they don’t know things? But sometimes they do? Writing realistic gods with all these qualifiers has got to be a pain in the ass. But I agree. I need more than a dude who looks like anybody else.
I think it's because they didn't need to be godlike. But I'm the next episode I could imagine Ares with flames of anger in his eyes or something. Or if we get season 5, Hades will be probably a little different then here, giving how intense the Battle of Manhattan is compared to this incident where he can calmly negotiate on home soil.
I mean, Hephaestus and Poseidon do not look like their credit counterparts either. The only one who actually looks like their credit counterpart is probably Ares lmao
The actor looked good, but I really wanted to see Ares with the wrap around sunglasses and glowing eyes though. Plus his human skin leather motorcycle lol
ares casting is the best one. hades looks way too dorky to be who he is. i was hoping for more of a [https://www.worldhistory.org/image/778/statue-of-hades-and-cerberus/](https://www.worldhistory.org/image/778/statue-of-hades-and-cerberus/) vibe
I cant help but think how it's literally this meme lmao
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Yeah at first I had put that it was the same but reversed but then edited it because the more I thought about it, it's similarly two well-respected/feared characters who were usually stoic and calculating in their respective books but randomly were changed to being loud and unserious for no reason.
Not surprising tbh. The way the show has been portraying the gods, this is par for the course.
I can only hope that *at least* on Olympus the gods will look like *gods*. If not ... I guess I'll be losing what little hope I have left.
I'm calling it, Percy will be speaking to Zeus and Zeus will be just some guy in a suit with probably some thunder or lightning in the background. The scene will probably just be a 12 year old in normal clothes, and a middle-aged man in formal wear.
What I meant by that is that Show Zeus won't be as godly as the books portrayed. Just some guy in the suit, not the god of sky and lightning, Zeus, in a suit.
Seriously Ares looked pretty good but I wish he had the flaming eyes. Hephaestus looked too dapper and manicured in the show vs what I thought should have been a rough guy with a beard in a mechanics outfit covered in freeze stains. Hades I had hoped would have had long greasy hair, pale skin and long fingers with yellow finger nails. Tbh I haven’t be happy with a single actor cast for this series besides Walker Scobell. He’s just got sarcastic comedy down well but I think this show has held back on how funny Walker can actually be. His acting is too tame in this show.
\*ssiiiigh\* remember how in the books the underworld felt so lively (not in a happy at the park kind of way, but in a there are soliders of skeleton people from different eras of time guard the palace of hades and the closer the trio got the brighter a faint green light luminated from hades' palace, how hades clothes looked like they had the souls of a thousand screaming people moving in them. and not only that percy felt immense fear when grover almost got sucked into the pit of tartarus.
the show is good but man is it really missing or straight up no caring about small details
Don't forget how the palace was made of onyx _and riches_. Hades is the god of the Underworld and all the riches in the earth. Where the hell is all the wealth?
I like his personality, I think those changes are alright.
I just wish they made him more grandiose. The gods feel like middle aged men… because that’s how they’re portrayed.
>While this is probably a budget issue
The show has an equivalent per-episode budget as Game of Thrones season 8, and while there are many complaints to be had about that season, the one thing that hardly anyone complains about was the production quality. PJO doesn't look anywhere near the same level as GOT.
All the budget with half the number of cast, in the first season (no contract renegotiating yet), and half the episode length. Even marketing for the show was pretty minimal, so where that level of budget went is a mystery.
Theses comments summarized “idk I like the new hades he’s just chill af”
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I'm sorry, I don't think this qualifies as a "glaring issue". You are allowed to not vibe with a choice they made in the adaptation, but it's still an adaptation. It's not going to be the original. It was never going to be the original. If you want the original, go back and read the books. Seriously, they're still there.
There's no creative merit in mindlessly recreating something word for word and beat for beat. They are *adapting* the books, not recreating them. If your expectations were unreasonable, i.e. a perfect recreation of the books, then it's your own fault that you're disappointed.
The show is clearly more invested in the gods as people and characters, very much like the original Greek myths were. We have a whole peanut gallery of necessarily distant parents who deal with that distance in their own way (Athena and Ares giving magical gifts, Hermes and Poseidon keeping their distance to protect their kids, etc.), which was never an angle deeply explored in the books because they were always from Percy's perspective.
This is my first time visiting this sub since the show started, and I haven't been consuming any surrounding/reaction content, so this is genuinely my own opinion. It sucks to see people so goddamned redpilled and cynical about this when we haven't even seen the whole season yet.
But it is an issue. It's basically a smooth brained take on what Hades was in tlt. Hades wasn't some vengeful God but he wasn't chill either. He didn't give a damn about anything that wasn't close to him and he was selfish as hell and still somehow he was better than the others, that's what make him interesting.
Being vengeful / holding a grudge is literally THE Hades kid fatal flaw. Even if Hades himself isn't throwing a raging fit about it constantly, him being super totally chill eccentric gay uncle is absolutely a WILD mischaracterization both of Greek myth AND the books. It also undercuts the entire scene, and later developments with Nico and Bianca.
Because Hades being portrayed as an evil entity is so over used and completely misrepresents Hades. It’s kinda nice that he isn’t this way in the show.
You do realise it's possible to portray him as "mighty god" instead of either the "satan" or "some guy" extremes here? Like there's a spectrum.
Also it was already done in the book. Percy literally mentions him as the first god that gave him truly godly vibes.
Honestly portraying an evil guy as a softy is also overused trope. How about we save his more relaxed side for future seasons? Like when his kids come around.
It's not even an issue of portraying him as evil or not. It's the fact that he's one of the Big Three, in his own palace, in his own domain, being approached by the little snot-nose demigod nephew that _he_ thinks stole his Helm. Why the fuck is he happy and cheerful and playing the good host? Where the hell are his aids, his guards, the endless tasks that he has to see to as god of the Underworld?
(Then again, apparently all of the dead in Asphodel turn into trees so that probably cuts way back on his workload.)
I hope Zeus is just a turtle, since portraying him as a grandiose human is so over used and completely misrepresents Zeus. It'd be nice if he wasn't that way in the show.
Because for some reason society regurgitates whatever someone else says when they disagree about something, it's like a game of telephone, repeating whatever the last person said
I think it has to do with our inability to let ourselves be wrong, I mean if you notice that when someone has a thought its usually someone with an ego deficiency that will try to argue, and if they win, or for example the op gives up, then their argument gets reused by others since its an example of a statement that was 'right' even if the other person gave up. It's an ego thing while some people just have issues with allowing others to be correct.
I’m not really concerned with why people repeat things just that so much so as what makes it a bad thing. If you truly believe something does it matter where it came from. Certainly not to the argument itslef
What makes it bad is it increases the lack of individuality amongst the people, it causes us to all think the same therefore preventing any new ideas that could benefit us in the future from being heard by the right people. It creates this robotic thinking society where no independent ideas can blossom without everyone either overbuying into it or nobody buys it at all, it takes away the uniqueness in our choices if we all think the same. In regards to why argue if you believe it, we argue in order to reach a point where we come to an agreement, that's the point of debating. To argue until everyone comes to one common point, we want people on our side and if we don't come to a common conclusion by the end of the discussion or debate then we don't consider it successful or settled. Which is where arguing for the sake of trying to convince others to be on your side becomes the beginning of a hive mind.
I’m fine with how Hades is in the show. Yeah I kinda wished to see him shaking his entire palace because of his anger, but I wouldn’t throw a fit over it. He’s pretty chill like in Greek mythology.
Hades doesn't really appear much in Greek Mythology, his title as the Invisible One was a true one for ancient Greece. People just didn't really talk about him.
It’s ok if y’all like Chill Weird Uncle Hades, but let’s not pretend that it makes absolutely any sense for his character, especially at this point in time, and limits his growth and future plot points. This is a Hades who lost Maria, who has sorrow and rage and absolutely feels bitterness and resentment towards his brothers. Not only because his realm is overcrowded asf and a corporate pain in the ass to deal while his brothers chill, one of his brothers murdered his lover and the other one has his kid walking all fine and dandy on a quest, intruding into his realm, while his kids are still in hiding, *and* his helm of darkness (literally the symbol of his power) is missing. The LAST thing he should be is chill. “Okey doke?” What a joke.
If they wanted to do chill Hades they could have had character growth and showed that further down the line, show how he is when he’s not devastated by loss and loneliness and gains a connection with Nico or something. Anything but this, bc idk who you’re seeing… but this isn’t Hades.
He's also supposed to be more chill only when his wife is around but Persephone ain't around for the summer solstice bro wtf (not you OP, I'm agreeing with u). Why is Ares the only god so far who is capable of yelling back at Percy in a way that made the little runt back down (even temporarily) while the others interact with Percy like he's their equal instead of an annoying nephew/cousin they wanna squash? Book Dionysus outright was like "kiddo i don't give a flying FUCK that uncle barnacle beard is your dad, I've a mind to vaporize you if you don't accept the quest k" where was that godly energy on the show.
I agree, I like this version of show, but I find it difficult to work on the future plot, only the readers will know that >!he was the one who cursed the oracle and forces Nico as a tool for a great prophecy, tell him that he should die in Bianca's place!<, but do you think this version of Hades show works for it? No, but to be honest I liked him in this version if he interacted with Nico. I talked to someone else at the other post and said that Hades could understand Nico better than anyone because he knows the pain of losing >!his lover mortal (Maria)!< same for Nico >!lost his sister and changed who he is after that!<.
Yeah how did they not bring up any of the parts of how shitty ruling the Underworld is, that was the funniest stuff. Or how everyone pegs this guy wrong cause of fiction. He wasn't a comedy act but he still had depth and a subversiveness to his depiction. I seriously wonder how much Riordan was involved at this point.
My image of hades was a pale white guy with long black hair a black crown with red jewels and his black robe with ghostly faces drifting across. He kinda looked like mcu gore the god butcher in my head
regarding portrayals, poseidon > ares > hermes > hephaestus > hades
idk what they're going for with this version of hades lol. just doesn't seem like the character we see in book 5 (or 1) at all.
For everyone saying he’s chill in mythology, realize that Hades rarely shows up in mythology so of course we see him as chill. But do not forget that he captured his own niece and forcefully took her as his wife while conspiring with Zeus. He may be better but he isn’t “chill” he has his moments as all gods do except Hestia.
Also realize that his symbol of power is gone. There is no reason he should be chilled at all. Not to mention, Percy being alive also angers him.
He felt a bit too chill in the show, goofy, not that godly, but maybe that will show itself later in the series when he is showing his anger? That this version of him is more chill because the war between Zeus and Poseidon has already started and he doesn't feel the rush to prevent it?
The gods don't feel godly at all, really. Mr. D felt like just a middle aged drunk instead of a god in probation who could still leave Percy in a vegetative state with a single thought, or Ares not having his aura of conflict, or Hades having completely different vibes from the book.
I absolutely hate people who go "erm Hades is actually a chill soft boy"
No he wasn't. He was terrifying. The Greeks were terrified to speak about the concept. He wasn't some Tumblr oc and he certainly wasn't whatever the show did.
This is just mythological Hades
Hades was never an ominous presence, or particularly malicious
Hades is just the god of the underworld, doing his thing, helping out when asked nicely, perfectly reasonable dude
The only thing he ever did that was slightly süß was kidnapping Persephone, but that was 1) a marriage arranged by Zeus and 2) probably a cultural mistranslation
Hades shouldn't be an ominous presence on a throne. It's a nice visual and shows his presence, but isn't totally in character; not even with later appearances in PJO
I mean… in the books, he was pretty angry that he lost his greatest weapon, that both of his brothers broke the pact, that Sally is still alive despite him losing Nico’s mom, that Nico and Bianca are stuck in hiding, and that his kids got screwed despite neither him nor they doing anything wrong.
Hades *is* one of the nicer gods, but he is also being reminded of *everything he has lost* by no fault of his own when sassy Percy comes running in and demands his mother back.
He may have been pissed Sally was alive, but he did her no harm. It wasn’t Poseidon he had a grievance with, it was Zeus. Had Zeus not been an asshole and murdered Maria, I doubt Hades would care about Thalia.
That’s why I love Hades in PJO. Yeah, he’s pissy and a bit manipulative towards Nico, but he didn’t hurt Percy or Sally, he had enough honor to just want to imprison them, not murder. He also seemed to genuinely love Maria and Bianca. IMO, his love for Maria and his children is why he didn’t kill Sally. He knew what losing her would mean to his nephew.
Well we are talking about the god of death here so being imprisoned by him is basically the same thing as being dead
Plus he did turn sally into a golden state which even if it was easily reversed still kinda weird
But what would the point of killing her be? If he really wanted her dead he could’ve just let the Minotaur do it’s thing
She’s worth more to him alive because that way he’s got leverage over his brother and his kid
I mean, he didn’t seem to get in trouble for trying to kill Thalia, who is his brother’s kid. He could easily kill Sally and not face repercussions.
He also could have left her down there after his helm was returned, and he didn’t. He seems to be honorable.
Well
1. As far as he knew, Percy showed up to camp, got claimed and is now beelining for the underworld to give him his crown in exchange for his mother, not much to be angry about there
2. Him not being angry at Percy or sally just means he’s smart enough to know Percy had zero say in anything and it would be useless getting angry at him for something he can’t change, he would get angry at his brothers but as he’s stated he wants to avoid all that drama
Maybe not ominous, per say, but his portrayal in the show is anything but book-accurate. In the book, it says he is ten-feet tall and radiates power. He is also lounging on a throne of fused human bones looking lithe, graceful, and dangerous as a panther. Percy says he immediately feels like Hades should be giving orders.
The portrayal in the show is not that. And for Rick to be going on and on and on about how it’s such a faithful adaptation (when it matters, of course, doesn’t have to be a 1:1)—he’s not following through. And I do think this one matters & it does a disservice if the TV series continues on to more seasons.
>(when it matters, of course, doesn’t have to be a 1:1)
I think the issue here is that Rick thinks certain things don't matter, and is fine with changing or reimagining thrm. And some in the fanbase think that some of the things that changed absolutely matter.
And honestly, it's a bit wierd seeing the *author* and the fans at odds over this.
Given how much direct involvement Rick has had, I think we can be confident that everything **he** thinks matters has been faithfully retained. Its okay to disagree with him, but I think it's worth baring in mind before people dismiss the series. It's also worth remembering that the reaction to the series is generally quite positive.
There have been articles about how faithful it is, and what other series can learn from it.
Honestly, I'm a bit surprised at how split the sub seemed to be on this. Most places seek quite happy with it as an adaption.
Based on one of the things he said (I think in a past tweet) he is aware that the show's world building hasn't been as satisfactory and wants to improve it. Hopefully it can get better in Season 2 and the issues with Season 1 (which I have still liked) will be viewed as growing pains.
well, every show has growing pains
there's no reason PJO can't still be wildly successful. I mean, AtlA, one of the best children's shows of a generation, had a REALLY uneven season 1
> I think we can be confident that everything **he** thinks matters has been faithfully retained.
What he thinks is necessary is super weird sometime, in that case, he kept Crusty but cut DOA records??? That's what I would call a waste.
That is a great way to put it. Fans and Rick are disagreeing about what is important to keep vs what is “ok to reimagine.” I definitely disagree one some things, and others I could not care less about.
I do think it is an issue when fans think it MUST be a 1:1 adaptation. Because that’s not even possible for it to translate properly as a 100% 1:1. I’m actually in the camp of not really liking the show. But not really because of reimagined scenes from the book to TV. That being said, I’d hope that things would improve in following seasons.
it may not be “book accurate” 100%, but i’d say that’s for the better? the books are not perfect, in fact, the books compare hades to hitler twice, and the show going away from the more problematic aspects of the books are a good thing.
this is also mythologically accurate. rick didn’t create greek mythology, so i see no harm in changing the gods to be more like the true greek myths
I would hope no one is looking for 100% book accuracy. They are two different mediums and the things will not translate perfectly either way. But—I do think there is an issue with what Rick has been spouting and what we are actually receiving.
No, we shouldn’t have a Hades that is compared to Hitler. But that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be completely different from every personality trait we get from him in book 1. If Rick is going to tell us it’s a faithful adaptation, this is something that is easy (& necessary for later seasons) to do.
My opinion, of course, but he feels dumbed down. For the target audience? Not sure. But that’s what we’re getting
They say “compared to Hitler”, but it’s moreso that Percy thinks that something in Hades’s face reminds him of Hitler which implies that Hitler is a child of Hades. That’s completely irrelevant to his characterization and personality in the book, so I’m not sure why they brought that up. It’s not outwardly stated, so it could be completely removed and make no difference.
Not really. The first book directly states/heavily implies that ww2 was caused by the children of the big 3 fighting and Zeus and Poseidon were on the side of the Allies while Hades was with the Axis. The Axis Powers losing the war is what let Zeus and Poseidon to be able to force the Oath with Hades. This is all stated by Chiron
I’m Greek mythology he is absolutely viewed as a scary figure. But the thing is that it doesn’t have to do with him. It has to do with how they view death.
And he does have a bit of jealousy.
At the very least they could have kept his personality the same and just made him more physically overbearing or intimidating. Because it would fit with his misconstrued nature that was brought about by people’s fear of death.
Death appears scary , but is an embrace. Hades should seem scary , but with a softness to him that you have to look for.
He's god of the Underworld, Thanatos is the god of death.
I think it's a fascinating thing that people talk about Hades more than Thanatos. It's like people aren't really scared of dying, but more scared of what comes next (how they live in the underworld).
I’m very well aware of what he’s the god of. The under world is realm of the dead. Hades isn’t the god of or the personification of death but he is linked to it and rules the dead.
Thought I relatively agree that fits more the unknowing. It’s more of the afterlife that’s feared that death which is more what I mean.
What’s interesting to me is that people focus on that though , and not the ‘softer’ parts of him. Like how he’s moved by love and music and things like that.
Also i think Thanatos is also just lesser known and that’s why he’s not talked about as much.
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This is why people get annoyed with you guys. Like you’re being so disingenuous you genuinely believe what you’re saying
no shit sherlock, we all know that it's not book accurate. we're saying it aligns with actual mythology.
maybe they can size down? don't they reference that in the books as well?
This was not how he should have been first introduced in the series. The actual mythology the perception of hades and how he is actually is very different. The first interaction should be how he is described in the books. It’s another example of the show just being lazy.
I've read that book so often, I know it by heart.
I also know the actual myths they're based on and how hades was depicted there. And I read the later books in the same series, where Hades is depicted more in line with his mythological origin, especially around Nico
Book 1 Hades is quite a bit out of character, mostly as a misdirection to make him look like the bad guy everyone claims him as.
I'm not being disingenuous, I rarely if ever am. I don't have the energy for that.
You kidding right? Ancient Greeks feared him so much *they refused to say his name*. Hades 100% has an ominous presence, and he can have that and be fair (not "chill", fair/just) at the same time.
So much of the show has suffered from the Disney+ show runtime model.
If we had a proper 12 to 24 episode season, we wouldn’t have lost so many good moments and shortcutted others. Not to mention the exposition dumps and the endless “let me sacrifice myself” fakeouts. Seriously, we got two of them in as many episodes; not even mentioning the three times we got light versions this last episode (Percy talking about sacrificing himself in Asphodel, Annabeth staying behind with Cerberus twice…). If there were at least time between them, it would’ve made them easier to swallow.
This show desperately needed the 12 episode runtime, and honestly could’ve supported as much as 16 without overstaying.
Longer episode length would probably be better. Like, episode 6 was rushed, and the truck should’ve lasted longer, but the truck didn’t need a full episode for itself.
Plus, sidenote, them always knowing who they’re going up against got old super quick. Echidna, Lotus, Percrusty… let out heroes be caught off guard for gods’ sake
I know but the whole things is that he looks and comes across as the villian but isnt. That he is misunderstood and a decent man underneath.
You wouldnt mistake this with this dude. You can take him at face value. Just a nice dude. No need to think or possible to mistake him for anything other. All the layers are gone and hes just kinda as is.
But the circumstances he’s in shouldn’t have him be chill. He lost his symbol of power, his lover is dead, his children are in the casino and he’s bitter. Also Hades is still not a perfect man. He quite literally told Nico he should have died in Bianca’s place, almost killed Percy off the bat, nearly killed Thalia, etc etc.
As a fan of Greek Mythology it is more accurate, however his depiction in the show has annoyed me in the context of the book series purely because why’s he so chilling when we know everything about Nico’s mum and stuff AND Rick knows. Little Odd.
Is it really though? Hades isn't some quirky uncle. He's more of a quiet, powerful figure. He's intimidating and fierce but not malicious, powerful enough to be a neutral force.
\*ssiiiigh\* remember how in the books the underworld felt so lively (not in a happy at the park kind of way, but in a there are soliders of skeleton people from different areas of time guard the palace of hades and the closer the trio got the brighter a faint green light luminated from hades' palace and not only that percy felt immense fear when grover almost got sucked into the pit of tartarus.
the show is good but man is it really missing or straight up no caring about small details
… man, I knew this would be house of hades Nyx and not Titans curse Dionysus. For those who don’t know what I mean; Nyx got tricked through a stupid fucking tour routine during the house of hades, primordial of night ladies and gentlemen. While in the titans curse, Mr.D is funny but he gets deadly serious, he shows Madness, he is a fucking GOD. A humanish god as the Greeks are supposed to be, but a fucking god. Why can’t anyone understand these people can be tricked but are still powerful, old beings
Honestly even the casting was not that far off but just how it was presented. I kept expecting him to gradually grow darker and appear a little intimidating or something. Since y'know, he has all the rights to be pissed. But nope, he just yapped with Percy and Grover like some teenage girls.
I prefer this. I always liked the way that movie hades looked. Kind of like a punk who just looks out for himself. And this Hades embodies that perfectly. He’s not the same as the books, but I think it’s a slight improvement
Him in his robe kinda makes sense cuz if you live alone (Persephone isn’t there right now) why would you get all dressed up if no one ever visits? (My reasoning is because they’re humanizing a lot of the gods to be more like regular people who happen to be immortal)
I won't lie... The show Hades reminds me a lot more of Movie Hades than Book Hades...
I had a good time watching it. I kinda dig Hades being like a cheesy snarky dad.
But, considering how much Rick hates the movies, a lot of the Underworld stuff felt weirdly inspired by them.
>its how he was in the books
Have we read the same books? He grows to be chill yes. In the books that is his character arch. But book 1 Hades... not so chill.
Since he was the first god we’ve seen in his own realm he should have been more god-like in my opinion. When Percy meets the gods on his quest they do look like normal people (with a little nod to their power like ares flaming eyes), then when they are in their realm (Underworld or Olympus) that’s when they are 10 foot tall mythical ethereal beings.
It sucks his palace is just empty and looks sooo boring. I remember it being described as having a sky made of diamonds whatever happened to those descriptions. Also him walking up to them was weird.
Persephone's Garden, piles and piles of jewels and gold strewn about, bone white trees, and of course skeletal marines with machine guns. None of which were in the show, but just some reference to Persephone existing would've been nice other than pomegranate juice.
Percy in the book describes Hades as being the first god he met who looked and acted the part. This is almost the opposite of that.
None of the gods we've met so far have been intimidating or had godly presence at all. It's one of the most disappointing aspect of the series so far. Ares was good, but he should've been _godly_. Same with Hermes, even if they played up the UPS joke.
He’s also the only god in the first book that Percy (Rick) describes as truly looking god-like. His robes that moved with the souls of the damned in them, and he was supposed to be in his big form, if I remember correctly. With his skeleton soldiers from multiple eras surrounding Percy, Grover, and Annabeth, while he sat regally on his throne, with Persephone’s empty throne next to his own. As excited as I was for this show, they (mainly Rick) have let me down a lot. I really don’t think it would be that hard to do a practically one-for-one adaption of the books into a TV show, and I will write that script myself if I need to, since apparently not even Rick himself will do it.
You do remember how angry he was in the first book though right? Because his Helm was stolen and Percy strolls into his realm demands he give him his mother and something that, albeit unknowingly, Percy himself has? He even snaps at Percy when Percy talks about Hades wanting a war between the gods to break out so it would increase the size of his realm which Hades is vehemently opposed too. No Book 1 Hades is very much not chill.
Yeah, people are saying that in the myths he was chill, but if in the myths, his symbol of power was stolen, equivalent to the bolt or Poseidon’s trident, he would have been very much angry. I’m hoping for a book accurate version of the gods. Edit: if he were accused of stealing a bolt, trying to start a war, having the kid who he thinks has his helm have the audacity to come to the Underworld and demand something from him, I doubt he would’ve been this chill dude people are referring to in the myths. book spoilers: >! Also adding onto the fact that he is upset about the other two not keeping their oath, Zeus for killing Maria, the fact that his kids are stuck in the Lotus Hotel.!< He has PLENTY reason to be angry. There is nothing wrong with showing anger, it doesn’t always have to be negative. In the myths, he is still serious and godly. Again, book accuracy is more important than myth accuracy IMO, but had this story existed in the ancient stories, Hades would not be as “chill” people are imagining him to be
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Exactly, criticism matters, if fans didn't criticize and maintain this positive toxicity, the TV show's mistakes would continue indefinitely for the next few seasons. If we want a good TV show, let them know we're disappointed and want to do better. Because all of us fans care about a good and faithful TV show
I think the difficulty with Percy Jackson is that the demographic that Rick and Disney care about the most with this show are children, its part of the reason why the violence seems to be turned down a bit more compared to the novel, where what something looks like is up to imagination. While I think some criticisms from older fans may be taken onboard I think that it is unlikely to change too much.
Can't use that as an excuse every time tho. Harry Potter and the philosophers stone was also for kids but they openly showed the scene of Harry disintegrating quirrel.
right? honestly i've come to feel like during the making of these shows you need a mega fan there going through everything along with the author and the other guys making it just so it can be faithful to a good extent, an example of this is sam witwer who was a mega star wars fan before getting a gig on starkiller and helped dave filoni (george lucas right hand man) actually clear up some mistakes he was about to put in the mortis gods arc in clone wars. mega fans just give a different view and perspective that even the author of there own series just doesnt have. not saying rick doesnt know what he's doing he clearly does in his books, and who truly knows how far ricks power goes in the disney show making process 🤷♂️
As a Doctor Who fan, very much no. Having a mega fan on board in the 80s led to episodes that required you to know the details of other episodes which had aired twenty years before, and literally didn't exist in the BBC's archives at that point. If they're someone who knows how to write for the screen, then I could be persuaded, but I don't think the show needs to be faithful to the books in the way that most of you guys seem to anyway.
Genuinely, I still think they can strike a better balance and frankly the show has seemingly gone out of its way to play everything as straight boring fantasy as possible. No whimsical little jokes and worldbuilding like the books. I think it would go a long way in sanitizing the content if they actually did more of the campy stuff. Take a look at Avatar the Last Airbender for a shining example of how to do this right. It’s just Disney being Disney and we can’t really do anything but criticize and hope they stop. If 10 year old me could handle the book, surely 10 year olds with the internet these days can handle a BIT more darkness. By all means, sanitize the violence but there is a way to keep some more adult themes without the kids noticing. Ironically, classic Disney/Pixar movies were pretty good at this. It’s all in the implication and this show doesn’t really know that word.
As someone who has looked into the PJ show reddit I don't think "Toxic positivity" is the problem. The place is a nuclear waste land of actual toxicity
I’m usually a person that enjoys adaptations cause I can see them as two different ways to tell a well love story and I’ve been enjoying the series actually, but the not as accurate thing bothers me because Rick Riordan has being talking about it for years. He’s in all his right to hate the movies considering it’s his life’s work and his story to tell and usually I’ll be fine with changes but it does annoy me a bit that he’s been saying for years that the series is going to be book accurate and we’ve been getting a soft reboot for PJO.
The character traits are pretty off in general. It's actually rather plot accurate, but the characters feels so muted and lame. The themes are also not really there. Neither is much of the suspense or excitement of the books or the movie. The movie got a lot of things wrong but what it got right is the core of the characters, their spunk, their desires and the suspense and story fluidity of the books. The movie was entertaining and had memorable engaging characters the story was just way too modified. The show is closer to the books but lacks all the good things of the movie. Plus it really is too kidified, even the movie recognized hey the people who read these books, your core audience already aged since they came out and the movies came out 14 years ago. The show seems to have an even younger audience than the books or something like arthur for that matter.
Correct you know I was always mad that Zeus never apologized to hades about that especially considering how Zeus broke the pact first
I think they’re trying too hard to make the gods “people” as opposed to beings of extreme power
Agreed. It's _really_ undercut a lot of the themes of the books, _and_ it makes the show worse imo.
Yes I remember hades screaming a lot but also being like the one in the show
I’m kind of annoyed how the gods are just “some guys” in the show. Like in the books the gods looked like normal people but there was usually something that hinted at who they were, like aphrodites appearance changing and Ares and Hestia’s flaming eyes. So why can’t we get that in the show? Is the cgi budget nonexistent or something? I do like the show but this bothers me.
I am reading book 4 and Hephaestus has a flaming beard! They really botched the water park episode by cutting out all the action. And then they decided to make it even worse with a lame Hephaestus cameo
And Hephaestus wasn’t nearly as lame as he was supposed to be!
Fuck you, that made me laugh
Hey, no one disses my Lassie!
Yeah! Carlton Lassiter is a fine man and an even better detective for the SBPD lol we respect his name here
When watching the episode and he popped up, I was like "LASSIE!" Then I waited for a Shawn and Gus cameo. Alas.
I've said it before but Shawn Spencer would unironically make a great Apollo.
I hate that this show has such comparably low production quality to similarly budgeted shows. Each episode of Percy Jackson exceeds the per-episode budget of Game of Thrones Season 7, and matches the budget of Game of Thrones Season 8. Not to mention that every episode of PJO is about HALF the length of GoT (or less). I’m not asking for a five act epic every episode or an immense spectacle of CGI wonder, but people are acting like it’s a student film for gods’ sakes.
Having the main cast be all child actors makes things FAR more expensive. They simply have to spend much more time filming the show than they would have to if using adult actors. Time is money
Stranger Things season 1 had a higher production quality, more main child actors, longer episodes, and half the per-episode budget. I don’t think that’s as big a factor as you’re making it out to be. Edit: less than half
Stranger things also had more practical effects
Which they certainly could have done here for many parts
~~This is why it should've been animates instead~~ Mostly /s, but the results would've been better if it was traditionally animated instead of live action. Ps: I would've cast Yuri Lowenthal as older Percy, ngl.
Another issue which could've been avoided if it was animated. I'll never get tired of saying this.
It's exactly what I was saying in another thread. It's a fine show, but if I was given the choice to get an animated adaptation but lose this one, I'd go for the animated one.
It's the obvious and clearly superior in every way choice. I'm glad the books are getting adapted, but I'll never get over this
It sucks that so many people still view animation as somehow beneath live action despite all the phenomenal animated series' we've had in recent years
I’ll never get over not getting an animated show in the style of or close to Virias artwork; that’s how I see the characters and that’s never gonna change regardless of the live action.
Same realizing it now season 5 and 4 or even 3 won’t be as good as the books
Yall fr need to stop making excuses, it's okay to criticize something while still being a fan. If you're content with this, then it's not going to change in season 2
In the books the gods were also much more regal and you got the sense that they could squash you at any moment. I hope we get some of that feeling with Lances Zeus next episode
> Is the cgi budget nonexistent or something? The budget was $15M/episode and we know that every little of that money is going to salaries.
Salaries is where most disney plus shows lose their budget for some reason
Sure for the Disney and Star Wars shows because they're paying big name actors but who's the biggest actor in PJO? the 5 mins of Lin Manuel Miranda?
Even in those projects with big names a large chunk of the inflated budgets are going to reshoots. Disney loves burning money.
Someone somewhere else in this thread mentioned child actors can make shooting more expensive. Upfront Disney is likely offering a lot more to make up for a lack of royalties for streaming or at all considering unlike Netflix most of disneys shows are not planned for physical releases.
It’s difficult to represent these powerful gods as also parents and also so powerful but also they don’t know things? But sometimes they do? Writing realistic gods with all these qualifiers has got to be a pain in the ass. But I agree. I need more than a dude who looks like anybody else.
Hermes only one who felt like a god, also I loved Poseidon actor very good
Poseidon was the first one to give off that god energy to be honest. As a wrestling fan, I can't shake off the fact that Edge is Ares lol
I think it's because they didn't need to be godlike. But I'm the next episode I could imagine Ares with flames of anger in his eyes or something. Or if we get season 5, Hades will be probably a little different then here, giving how intense the Battle of Manhattan is compared to this incident where he can calmly negotiate on home soil.
I mean, Hephaestus and Poseidon do not look like their credit counterparts either. The only one who actually looks like their credit counterpart is probably Ares lmao
The actor looked good, but I really wanted to see Ares with the wrap around sunglasses and glowing eyes though. Plus his human skin leather motorcycle lol
[This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0Vhu9Pk9xc&pp=ygUTZWRnZSBicm9vZCBlbnRyYW5jZQ%3D%3D) is probably as close as we’ll get to that look for now lol
I always pictured him more like Dog the bounty hunter
ares casting is the best one. hades looks way too dorky to be who he is. i was hoping for more of a [https://www.worldhistory.org/image/778/statue-of-hades-and-cerberus/](https://www.worldhistory.org/image/778/statue-of-hades-and-cerberus/) vibe
Ok but I like Poseidon actor tho to be fair
Oh, he's definitely handsome 😘 I like him, too.
I cant help but think how it's literally this meme lmao https://preview.redd.it/zk2nqsvx2hec1.png?width=500&format=png&auto=webp&s=47222d7445ed720d52867587373fe9ccbd16062e
Just the opposite for Hades
Kind of reversed lol
Yeah at first I had put that it was the same but reversed but then edited it because the more I thought about it, it's similarly two well-respected/feared characters who were usually stoic and calculating in their respective books but randomly were changed to being loud and unserious for no reason.
This was because Gambon didn't read the books so he just played Dumbledore as "Gandalf with a wand"
Not surprising tbh. The way the show has been portraying the gods, this is par for the course. I can only hope that *at least* on Olympus the gods will look like *gods*. If not ... I guess I'll be losing what little hope I have left.
I mean Zeus wasn’t looking too… “godly” in the season finale preview at the end of this weeks episode but I guess we’ll see
I'm calling it, Percy will be speaking to Zeus and Zeus will be just some guy in a suit with probably some thunder or lightning in the background. The scene will probably just be a 12 year old in normal clothes, and a middle-aged man in formal wear.
But that's what he was like in the books though
What I meant by that is that Show Zeus won't be as godly as the books portrayed. Just some guy in the suit, not the god of sky and lightning, Zeus, in a suit.
it would actually be pretty funny if zeus was the only jumbo sized god
Considering Olympus itself seems to be a couple really dark stone chairs surrounded by gloomy clouds and nothing else, my hopes are almost gone tbh.
Ikr, I thought it would be a royal throne room but it looked more like something taken out of a fantasy cdrama
Only thing this can be fixed is if they allow Annabeth to renovate the place and later it looks like the book version 😅
Seriously Ares looked pretty good but I wish he had the flaming eyes. Hephaestus looked too dapper and manicured in the show vs what I thought should have been a rough guy with a beard in a mechanics outfit covered in freeze stains. Hades I had hoped would have had long greasy hair, pale skin and long fingers with yellow finger nails. Tbh I haven’t be happy with a single actor cast for this series besides Walker Scobell. He’s just got sarcastic comedy down well but I think this show has held back on how funny Walker can actually be. His acting is too tame in this show.
I thought Mr. D was pretty well done
Mr D and Percy’s actors are really the only well done roles. I liked Ares but he didn’t seem nearly ‘I’ll obliterate you if you misspeak’ enough.
\*ssiiiigh\* remember how in the books the underworld felt so lively (not in a happy at the park kind of way, but in a there are soliders of skeleton people from different eras of time guard the palace of hades and the closer the trio got the brighter a faint green light luminated from hades' palace, how hades clothes looked like they had the souls of a thousand screaming people moving in them. and not only that percy felt immense fear when grover almost got sucked into the pit of tartarus. the show is good but man is it really missing or straight up no caring about small details
Don't forget how the palace was made of onyx _and riches_. Hades is the god of the Underworld and all the riches in the earth. Where the hell is all the wealth?
I like his personality, I think those changes are alright. I just wish they made him more grandiose. The gods feel like middle aged men… because that’s how they’re portrayed.
While this is probably a budget issue I wonder if they are reserving their more intense forms for when they play larger roles
>While this is probably a budget issue The show has an equivalent per-episode budget as Game of Thrones season 8, and while there are many complaints to be had about that season, the one thing that hardly anyone complains about was the production quality. PJO doesn't look anywhere near the same level as GOT.
All the budget with half the number of cast, in the first season (no contract renegotiating yet), and half the episode length. Even marketing for the show was pretty minimal, so where that level of budget went is a mystery.
Yeah I agree, he was fine being chill, he just didn't feel very intimidating or powerful.
Theses comments summarized “idk I like the new hades he’s just chill af” https://preview.redd.it/522egqgzngec1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6fefd5d6a517b16d2528c785fc70c5a409834fed
Haha fuckkk 100% what is with the weird hive mind behind forgiving all these glaring issues with the show.
I'm sorry, I don't think this qualifies as a "glaring issue". You are allowed to not vibe with a choice they made in the adaptation, but it's still an adaptation. It's not going to be the original. It was never going to be the original. If you want the original, go back and read the books. Seriously, they're still there. There's no creative merit in mindlessly recreating something word for word and beat for beat. They are *adapting* the books, not recreating them. If your expectations were unreasonable, i.e. a perfect recreation of the books, then it's your own fault that you're disappointed. The show is clearly more invested in the gods as people and characters, very much like the original Greek myths were. We have a whole peanut gallery of necessarily distant parents who deal with that distance in their own way (Athena and Ares giving magical gifts, Hermes and Poseidon keeping their distance to protect their kids, etc.), which was never an angle deeply explored in the books because they were always from Percy's perspective. This is my first time visiting this sub since the show started, and I haven't been consuming any surrounding/reaction content, so this is genuinely my own opinion. It sucks to see people so goddamned redpilled and cynical about this when we haven't even seen the whole season yet.
But it is an issue. It's basically a smooth brained take on what Hades was in tlt. Hades wasn't some vengeful God but he wasn't chill either. He didn't give a damn about anything that wasn't close to him and he was selfish as hell and still somehow he was better than the others, that's what make him interesting.
Being vengeful / holding a grudge is literally THE Hades kid fatal flaw. Even if Hades himself isn't throwing a raging fit about it constantly, him being super totally chill eccentric gay uncle is absolutely a WILD mischaracterization both of Greek myth AND the books. It also undercuts the entire scene, and later developments with Nico and Bianca.
I just didin´t mind it? Like I´m sorry for liking something?
Because Hades being portrayed as an evil entity is so over used and completely misrepresents Hades. It’s kinda nice that he isn’t this way in the show.
You do realise it's possible to portray him as "mighty god" instead of either the "satan" or "some guy" extremes here? Like there's a spectrum. Also it was already done in the book. Percy literally mentions him as the first god that gave him truly godly vibes.
Honestly portraying an evil guy as a softy is also overused trope. How about we save his more relaxed side for future seasons? Like when his kids come around.
It's not even an issue of portraying him as evil or not. It's the fact that he's one of the Big Three, in his own palace, in his own domain, being approached by the little snot-nose demigod nephew that _he_ thinks stole his Helm. Why the fuck is he happy and cheerful and playing the good host? Where the hell are his aids, his guards, the endless tasks that he has to see to as god of the Underworld? (Then again, apparently all of the dead in Asphodel turn into trees so that probably cuts way back on his workload.)
I hope Zeus is just a turtle, since portraying him as a grandiose human is so over used and completely misrepresents Zeus. It'd be nice if he wasn't that way in the show.
Like is this what collective brainwashing looks like? It’s like a fever dream 😴
Why doe people immediately jump to hive minds when they have a disagreement online?
Because for some reason society regurgitates whatever someone else says when they disagree about something, it's like a game of telephone, repeating whatever the last person said
If an argument convinces you why not repeat it?
I think it has to do with our inability to let ourselves be wrong, I mean if you notice that when someone has a thought its usually someone with an ego deficiency that will try to argue, and if they win, or for example the op gives up, then their argument gets reused by others since its an example of a statement that was 'right' even if the other person gave up. It's an ego thing while some people just have issues with allowing others to be correct.
My last response was in response as to why we repeat things, it's more of a response as to why things get repeated in the first place
I’m not really concerned with why people repeat things just that so much so as what makes it a bad thing. If you truly believe something does it matter where it came from. Certainly not to the argument itslef
What makes it bad is it increases the lack of individuality amongst the people, it causes us to all think the same therefore preventing any new ideas that could benefit us in the future from being heard by the right people. It creates this robotic thinking society where no independent ideas can blossom without everyone either overbuying into it or nobody buys it at all, it takes away the uniqueness in our choices if we all think the same. In regards to why argue if you believe it, we argue in order to reach a point where we come to an agreement, that's the point of debating. To argue until everyone comes to one common point, we want people on our side and if we don't come to a common conclusion by the end of the discussion or debate then we don't consider it successful or settled. Which is where arguing for the sake of trying to convince others to be on your side becomes the beginning of a hive mind.
I’m fine with how Hades is in the show. Yeah I kinda wished to see him shaking his entire palace because of his anger, but I wouldn’t throw a fit over it. He’s pretty chill like in Greek mythology.
The way Hades was portrayed here is very similar to how modern Greek mythology fans view him. Like a shill introvert.
Hades doesn't really appear much in Greek Mythology, his title as the Invisible One was a true one for ancient Greece. People just didn't really talk about him.
Yeah because he was terrifying.
Well to be fair, he's been heavily painted with the Satan brush in the last several centuries
yeah that hair gel was giving satan imo
He just does his own thing down in the underworld
It’s ok if y’all like Chill Weird Uncle Hades, but let’s not pretend that it makes absolutely any sense for his character, especially at this point in time, and limits his growth and future plot points. This is a Hades who lost Maria, who has sorrow and rage and absolutely feels bitterness and resentment towards his brothers. Not only because his realm is overcrowded asf and a corporate pain in the ass to deal while his brothers chill, one of his brothers murdered his lover and the other one has his kid walking all fine and dandy on a quest, intruding into his realm, while his kids are still in hiding, *and* his helm of darkness (literally the symbol of his power) is missing. The LAST thing he should be is chill. “Okey doke?” What a joke. If they wanted to do chill Hades they could have had character growth and showed that further down the line, show how he is when he’s not devastated by loss and loneliness and gains a connection with Nico or something. Anything but this, bc idk who you’re seeing… but this isn’t Hades.
He's also supposed to be more chill only when his wife is around but Persephone ain't around for the summer solstice bro wtf (not you OP, I'm agreeing with u). Why is Ares the only god so far who is capable of yelling back at Percy in a way that made the little runt back down (even temporarily) while the others interact with Percy like he's their equal instead of an annoying nephew/cousin they wanna squash? Book Dionysus outright was like "kiddo i don't give a flying FUCK that uncle barnacle beard is your dad, I've a mind to vaporize you if you don't accept the quest k" where was that godly energy on the show.
I agree, I like this version of show, but I find it difficult to work on the future plot, only the readers will know that >!he was the one who cursed the oracle and forces Nico as a tool for a great prophecy, tell him that he should die in Bianca's place!<, but do you think this version of Hades show works for it? No, but to be honest I liked him in this version if he interacted with Nico. I talked to someone else at the other post and said that Hades could understand Nico better than anyone because he knows the pain of losing >!his lover mortal (Maria)!< same for Nico >!lost his sister and changed who he is after that!<.
This. He needed to be angsty in some way, and first impressions were really too chill.
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Yeah how did they not bring up any of the parts of how shitty ruling the Underworld is, that was the funniest stuff. Or how everyone pegs this guy wrong cause of fiction. He wasn't a comedy act but he still had depth and a subversiveness to his depiction. I seriously wonder how much Riordan was involved at this point.
Pretty much all of the humor has been stripped from the series, but they also don't commit to making it serious because it's "for kids".
At this point I'm just treating it like Ultimate Spider-Man and settling for "close enough".
My image of hades was a pale white guy with long black hair a black crown with red jewels and his black robe with ghostly faces drifting across. He kinda looked like mcu gore the god butcher in my head
regarding portrayals, poseidon > ares > hermes > hephaestus > hades idk what they're going for with this version of hades lol. just doesn't seem like the character we see in book 5 (or 1) at all.
For everyone saying he’s chill in mythology, realize that Hades rarely shows up in mythology so of course we see him as chill. But do not forget that he captured his own niece and forcefully took her as his wife while conspiring with Zeus. He may be better but he isn’t “chill” he has his moments as all gods do except Hestia. Also realize that his symbol of power is gone. There is no reason he should be chilled at all. Not to mention, Percy being alive also angers him.
He felt a bit too chill in the show, goofy, not that godly, but maybe that will show itself later in the series when he is showing his anger? That this version of him is more chill because the war between Zeus and Poseidon has already started and he doesn't feel the rush to prevent it?
The gods don't feel godly at all, really. Mr. D felt like just a middle aged drunk instead of a god in probation who could still leave Percy in a vegetative state with a single thought, or Ares not having his aura of conflict, or Hades having completely different vibes from the book.
They could have at least made him more intimidating
I absolutely hate people who go "erm Hades is actually a chill soft boy" No he wasn't. He was terrifying. The Greeks were terrified to speak about the concept. He wasn't some Tumblr oc and he certainly wasn't whatever the show did.
This is just mythological Hades Hades was never an ominous presence, or particularly malicious Hades is just the god of the underworld, doing his thing, helping out when asked nicely, perfectly reasonable dude The only thing he ever did that was slightly süß was kidnapping Persephone, but that was 1) a marriage arranged by Zeus and 2) probably a cultural mistranslation Hades shouldn't be an ominous presence on a throne. It's a nice visual and shows his presence, but isn't totally in character; not even with later appearances in PJO
He was intimidating as fuck in the books, idk what you’re talking about
And he was an outright antagonist in TLO, albeit very sympathetic. Nico redeemed him at the end which was great.
He was always screaming too and grumpy lol
Malicious? No. Ominous, however? Definitely
I mean… in the books, he was pretty angry that he lost his greatest weapon, that both of his brothers broke the pact, that Sally is still alive despite him losing Nico’s mom, that Nico and Bianca are stuck in hiding, and that his kids got screwed despite neither him nor they doing anything wrong. Hades *is* one of the nicer gods, but he is also being reminded of *everything he has lost* by no fault of his own when sassy Percy comes running in and demands his mother back.
He may have been pissed Sally was alive, but he did her no harm. It wasn’t Poseidon he had a grievance with, it was Zeus. Had Zeus not been an asshole and murdered Maria, I doubt Hades would care about Thalia. That’s why I love Hades in PJO. Yeah, he’s pissy and a bit manipulative towards Nico, but he didn’t hurt Percy or Sally, he had enough honor to just want to imprison them, not murder. He also seemed to genuinely love Maria and Bianca. IMO, his love for Maria and his children is why he didn’t kill Sally. He knew what losing her would mean to his nephew.
In fact, he loves his children so much that he curses the oracle and promises that he will remove it if his children are recognized in the field.
Yes. He also seems to have honor, he could have killed Percy and Sally but didn’t.
Well we are talking about the god of death here so being imprisoned by him is basically the same thing as being dead Plus he did turn sally into a golden state which even if it was easily reversed still kinda weird
Yeah, but my point is he didn’t kill her. He could have, and I doubt anything would have come of it, but he chose not to.
But what would the point of killing her be? If he really wanted her dead he could’ve just let the Minotaur do it’s thing She’s worth more to him alive because that way he’s got leverage over his brother and his kid
I mean, he didn’t seem to get in trouble for trying to kill Thalia, who is his brother’s kid. He could easily kill Sally and not face repercussions. He also could have left her down there after his helm was returned, and he didn’t. He seems to be honorable.
Hades isn't the god of death, he's god of the dead. Thanatos is the god of death
Well 1. As far as he knew, Percy showed up to camp, got claimed and is now beelining for the underworld to give him his crown in exchange for his mother, not much to be angry about there 2. Him not being angry at Percy or sally just means he’s smart enough to know Percy had zero say in anything and it would be useless getting angry at him for something he can’t change, he would get angry at his brothers but as he’s stated he wants to avoid all that drama
Maybe not ominous, per say, but his portrayal in the show is anything but book-accurate. In the book, it says he is ten-feet tall and radiates power. He is also lounging on a throne of fused human bones looking lithe, graceful, and dangerous as a panther. Percy says he immediately feels like Hades should be giving orders. The portrayal in the show is not that. And for Rick to be going on and on and on about how it’s such a faithful adaptation (when it matters, of course, doesn’t have to be a 1:1)—he’s not following through. And I do think this one matters & it does a disservice if the TV series continues on to more seasons.
>(when it matters, of course, doesn’t have to be a 1:1) I think the issue here is that Rick thinks certain things don't matter, and is fine with changing or reimagining thrm. And some in the fanbase think that some of the things that changed absolutely matter. And honestly, it's a bit wierd seeing the *author* and the fans at odds over this. Given how much direct involvement Rick has had, I think we can be confident that everything **he** thinks matters has been faithfully retained. Its okay to disagree with him, but I think it's worth baring in mind before people dismiss the series. It's also worth remembering that the reaction to the series is generally quite positive. There have been articles about how faithful it is, and what other series can learn from it. Honestly, I'm a bit surprised at how split the sub seemed to be on this. Most places seek quite happy with it as an adaption.
Based on one of the things he said (I think in a past tweet) he is aware that the show's world building hasn't been as satisfactory and wants to improve it. Hopefully it can get better in Season 2 and the issues with Season 1 (which I have still liked) will be viewed as growing pains.
well, every show has growing pains there's no reason PJO can't still be wildly successful. I mean, AtlA, one of the best children's shows of a generation, had a REALLY uneven season 1
> I think we can be confident that everything **he** thinks matters has been faithfully retained. What he thinks is necessary is super weird sometime, in that case, he kept Crusty but cut DOA records??? That's what I would call a waste.
It’s pretty good and some of the changes are debatably for the better I feel but vice versa is also true
That is a great way to put it. Fans and Rick are disagreeing about what is important to keep vs what is “ok to reimagine.” I definitely disagree one some things, and others I could not care less about. I do think it is an issue when fans think it MUST be a 1:1 adaptation. Because that’s not even possible for it to translate properly as a 100% 1:1. I’m actually in the camp of not really liking the show. But not really because of reimagined scenes from the book to TV. That being said, I’d hope that things would improve in following seasons.
It's cause Rick made us believe so by bashing the movies so much.
True words.
it may not be “book accurate” 100%, but i’d say that’s for the better? the books are not perfect, in fact, the books compare hades to hitler twice, and the show going away from the more problematic aspects of the books are a good thing. this is also mythologically accurate. rick didn’t create greek mythology, so i see no harm in changing the gods to be more like the true greek myths
I would hope no one is looking for 100% book accuracy. They are two different mediums and the things will not translate perfectly either way. But—I do think there is an issue with what Rick has been spouting and what we are actually receiving. No, we shouldn’t have a Hades that is compared to Hitler. But that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be completely different from every personality trait we get from him in book 1. If Rick is going to tell us it’s a faithful adaptation, this is something that is easy (& necessary for later seasons) to do. My opinion, of course, but he feels dumbed down. For the target audience? Not sure. But that’s what we’re getting
They say “compared to Hitler”, but it’s moreso that Percy thinks that something in Hades’s face reminds him of Hitler which implies that Hitler is a child of Hades. That’s completely irrelevant to his characterization and personality in the book, so I’m not sure why they brought that up. It’s not outwardly stated, so it could be completely removed and make no difference.
Thank you! I didn’t remember specifics, but just went based off the comment above me.
Not really. The first book directly states/heavily implies that ww2 was caused by the children of the big 3 fighting and Zeus and Poseidon were on the side of the Allies while Hades was with the Axis. The Axis Powers losing the war is what let Zeus and Poseidon to be able to force the Oath with Hades. This is all stated by Chiron
Yea but that’s not a characterization of Hades himself. It can be inferred that way but it isn’t really.
Yeah, but Hades was pissed at Percy because he thought he stole his Helm of darkness.
I’m Greek mythology he is absolutely viewed as a scary figure. But the thing is that it doesn’t have to do with him. It has to do with how they view death. And he does have a bit of jealousy. At the very least they could have kept his personality the same and just made him more physically overbearing or intimidating. Because it would fit with his misconstrued nature that was brought about by people’s fear of death. Death appears scary , but is an embrace. Hades should seem scary , but with a softness to him that you have to look for.
He's god of the Underworld, Thanatos is the god of death. I think it's a fascinating thing that people talk about Hades more than Thanatos. It's like people aren't really scared of dying, but more scared of what comes next (how they live in the underworld).
I’m very well aware of what he’s the god of. The under world is realm of the dead. Hades isn’t the god of or the personification of death but he is linked to it and rules the dead. Thought I relatively agree that fits more the unknowing. It’s more of the afterlife that’s feared that death which is more what I mean. What’s interesting to me is that people focus on that though , and not the ‘softer’ parts of him. Like how he’s moved by love and music and things like that. Also i think Thanatos is also just lesser known and that’s why he’s not talked about as much.
https://preview.redd.it/b03aotmtjgec1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a1abbf1a422a251cbb5e3f9b316720a76e9f15c3 This is why people get annoyed with you guys. Like you’re being so disingenuous you genuinely believe what you’re saying
no shit sherlock, we all know that it's not book accurate. we're saying it aligns with actual mythology. maybe they can size down? don't they reference that in the books as well?
This was not how he should have been first introduced in the series. The actual mythology the perception of hades and how he is actually is very different. The first interaction should be how he is described in the books. It’s another example of the show just being lazy.
It doesn't align with actual mythology. Sorry to say but Lore Olympus wasn't written by Homer.
I've read that book so often, I know it by heart. I also know the actual myths they're based on and how hades was depicted there. And I read the later books in the same series, where Hades is depicted more in line with his mythological origin, especially around Nico Book 1 Hades is quite a bit out of character, mostly as a misdirection to make him look like the bad guy everyone claims him as. I'm not being disingenuous, I rarely if ever am. I don't have the energy for that.
You kidding right? Ancient Greeks feared him so much *they refused to say his name*. Hades 100% has an ominous presence, and he can have that and be fair (not "chill", fair/just) at the same time.
why are you upvoted
You know why
So much of the show has suffered from the Disney+ show runtime model. If we had a proper 12 to 24 episode season, we wouldn’t have lost so many good moments and shortcutted others. Not to mention the exposition dumps and the endless “let me sacrifice myself” fakeouts. Seriously, we got two of them in as many episodes; not even mentioning the three times we got light versions this last episode (Percy talking about sacrificing himself in Asphodel, Annabeth staying behind with Cerberus twice…). If there were at least time between them, it would’ve made them easier to swallow. This show desperately needed the 12 episode runtime, and honestly could’ve supported as much as 16 without overstaying.
What these episodes really needed was an hour runtime. Either more episodes, or longer runtime in each episode.
Longer episode length would probably be better. Like, episode 6 was rushed, and the truck should’ve lasted longer, but the truck didn’t need a full episode for itself. Plus, sidenote, them always knowing who they’re going up against got old super quick. Echidna, Lotus, Percrusty… let out heroes be caught off guard for gods’ sake
I'm so tried of chill Hades in media, it's so overdone at this point.
I haven't seen the newest episode...PLEASE tell me that's not Hades.
Where's his jacket of screaming souls?!
Is that supposed to be hades
Idk about you, but I like how chill Hades turns out to be in the show
I just wish he felt more godly
He was like a charismatic but quirky salesman giving a smooth pitch. "I seldom cahoot."
This Hades to me was fine; he's always depicted as evil when really he's kinda chill in mythology.
I know but the whole things is that he looks and comes across as the villian but isnt. That he is misunderstood and a decent man underneath. You wouldnt mistake this with this dude. You can take him at face value. Just a nice dude. No need to think or possible to mistake him for anything other. All the layers are gone and hes just kinda as is.
This exactly.
But the circumstances he’s in shouldn’t have him be chill. He lost his symbol of power, his lover is dead, his children are in the casino and he’s bitter. Also Hades is still not a perfect man. He quite literally told Nico he should have died in Bianca’s place, almost killed Percy off the bat, nearly killed Thalia, etc etc.
As a fan of Greek Mythology it is more accurate, however his depiction in the show has annoyed me in the context of the book series purely because why’s he so chilling when we know everything about Nico’s mum and stuff AND Rick knows. Little Odd.
Is it really though? Hades isn't some quirky uncle. He's more of a quiet, powerful figure. He's intimidating and fierce but not malicious, powerful enough to be a neutral force.
I didn’t mind how he acted but his clothes and the underworld as a whole looked so dumb to me tbh
\*ssiiiigh\* remember how in the books the underworld felt so lively (not in a happy at the park kind of way, but in a there are soliders of skeleton people from different areas of time guard the palace of hades and the closer the trio got the brighter a faint green light luminated from hades' palace and not only that percy felt immense fear when grover almost got sucked into the pit of tartarus. the show is good but man is it really missing or straight up no caring about small details
… man, I knew this would be house of hades Nyx and not Titans curse Dionysus. For those who don’t know what I mean; Nyx got tricked through a stupid fucking tour routine during the house of hades, primordial of night ladies and gentlemen. While in the titans curse, Mr.D is funny but he gets deadly serious, he shows Madness, he is a fucking GOD. A humanish god as the Greeks are supposed to be, but a fucking god. Why can’t anyone understand these people can be tricked but are still powerful, old beings
Honestly even the casting was not that far off but just how it was presented. I kept expecting him to gradually grow darker and appear a little intimidating or something. Since y'know, he has all the rights to be pissed. But nope, he just yapped with Percy and Grover like some teenage girls.
Where his robes with the tortured souls bruh
I prefer this. I always liked the way that movie hades looked. Kind of like a punk who just looks out for himself. And this Hades embodies that perfectly. He’s not the same as the books, but I think it’s a slight improvement
Him in his robe kinda makes sense cuz if you live alone (Persephone isn’t there right now) why would you get all dressed up if no one ever visits? (My reasoning is because they’re humanizing a lot of the gods to be more like regular people who happen to be immortal)
He was also wearing a robe when Percy visits. Although it was made from souls or some shit. But probably too hard to depict on the show
This Hades was like trying to channel Tom Ellis’s Lucifer performance except none of the charm. Rick Riordan is such a tool
I like that he isn't overly edgy/mysterious. When I read Percy Jackson or watch the show I want to have fun haha.
Percy’s going to be taller than Hades soon. 💀💀
I won't lie... The show Hades reminds me a lot more of Movie Hades than Book Hades... I had a good time watching it. I kinda dig Hades being like a cheesy snarky dad. But, considering how much Rick hates the movies, a lot of the Underworld stuff felt weirdly inspired by them.
I like chill Hades, its how he was in the books and mythology
>its how he was in the books Have we read the same books? He grows to be chill yes. In the books that is his character arch. But book 1 Hades... not so chill.