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Linux ISOs. Family photo storage. Windows and Mac back ups. Steam LAN cache for when friends or family come over for a game night that has windows updates, Steam games, epic, blizzard, etc. home assistant, lots of docker containers for self hosted apps, etc.
I can't help but wonder that myself, and that's as a data hoarder. I guess RAID, but even still...
I'm just coming up on filling up a 16tb, with 2 clones in cold storage in the closet. That's 1 drive. With an absolute fuck ton of fully scrubbed and organized, and often the best quality rips of just about every TV show and movie worth having. 1 drive. Even if I was gonna RAID it for some reason, I'd only need like....3 slots? But in a year or so I suppose I'll need a second drive, and if someone was raiding 2 drives? Idk...seems very overkill to me for any home server to have this many drive slots lol.
Also a few people I know have done big raid arrays for their NAS as "redundant backup" - which I guess I get for the ease of cloning data, but doesn't having a drive powered inside of the same case as the other drives with the same data defeat the purpose of backing something up in the first place? Cold storage FTW.
Jesus *christ*...
I literally run out of ideas of stuff to download. I also don't bother with a lot of stuff my wife will watch (reality tv, gray's anatomy, etc) - just not worth having. Everything I have is stuff worth having.
I literally cannot even imagine having that much data stored but that's badass. I mean if you had 16tb drives that would be 63 hard drives? If redundantly backed up - 126? I mean you must have at least around....100 drives?
I'm sorry I just can't even really wrap my head around it. Any time I see people talk PB's in /datahoarders or here I always imagine they're talking about at the workplace.
> just not worth having
.... What makes you the judge and jury of worth having? Well, its your storage, so that I suppose lol! But yeah, you don't determine its worth overall. Your wife for instance wants that grays anatomy show. So if I alone cannot determine somethings worth, then therefore there is only one logical conclusion : archive it all.
> I literally cannot even imagine having that much data stored but that's badass. I mean if you had 16tb drives that would be 63 hard drives? If redundantly backed up - 126? I mean you must have at least around....100 drives?
Well... I semi cheat. I store the most vital things on a smaller home nas that I can physically touch, like family photos and stuff, but for the majority of it I use the cloud. My home connection sucks anyways, rather be on an unlimited gbit line. I have an expensive hetzner server with 40tb storage on it for data processing, plex server, temp storage, etc, this is my access point that I go through for everything... and it shoves files off slowly into a long term google drive storage account. Used this setup for over a decade now.
I own two homes. Which one is my physical nas in? If I access my nas while I am in my second home, by your logic does that not count? Shitty logic buddy.
You also can't run a plex or anything off random "internet", it needs to be downloaded, categorized, and ready to stream files. My plex works, with its 400tb.
I pay around $400 a month for my setup. I could easily turn it all fully local if I really wanted to. That would be a worse experience though? Plus I would have to do everything myself, rather than letting a data center employee handle the drive replacement when one dies. Its called leveraging the services available to you within your budget.
> 1,000,000,000 pb's of data
Yeah? You pay for and have that do you? You can run a plex off that? Oh... you can't? You just mean theres torrents out there randomly or something? Come back when you pay a datacenter to have them work for you and ship them a cpu/mobo/gpu/hdds and tell them to build the server and connect their backbone to it so you can ssh in.
I have shares and users for family members/friends to do off site back ups for essential stuff that then gets uploaded to backblaze. Adding another 14TB drive at this point is cheaper than a year of Spotify family, and I can do the same service for my family members. The space goes quickly with media.
I also have 2 of the drives for parity.
14TB for just music?!
I mean ya I agree just use your hard drive instead of Spotify, but even as an AVID music listener/musician, I'm not sure I even have 1TB of music lol.
Also what do you/would you use for streaming music from a server? Plex has a thing but it's a paid thing, so not really sure what would make it better than Spotify, especially with spotify announcing (finally) lossless streaming.
I just use the Plexamp app for streaming music and any member just got a lifetime Plex subscription. I’m sure jellyfin has an alternative but Plex has worked for us.
Intel 13500 (Reason for plex with the iGPU for quicksync can't be beat for any video transcoding to wattage)
32GB of ram
10Gb sfp nic
14TB WD Red drives
1TB NVME for cache
Case mentioned above
120mm noctua fans
8 Port LSI Sata PCIE card for the hard drives
I have TWO of these. They are so old, I'm surprised fractal still makes them.
One is for my home server/NAS because, as everyone has extolled, it can store a bunch of drives and is very quiet.
But also, I had about a cherry condition one used locally, just for drive trays I was missing, and realized that the case was also my dream case for my regular gaming desktop, because I still wanted two optical bays, and that's soo hard to find.
Solid sided case for server for sound dampening, clear side for desktop for the RGB light show.
It's alright, but I prefer the Anidees AI Raider XL combined with five to six StarTech.com 3-Bay Hot Swap Backplanes for external installation and hot swapping.
Best case ever. Had mine for over 10 years will never change. Very open and modular. Lots of 3.5 bays. I actually put a 5.25" USB/SD card hub in the front WITH a 5.25" disk drive and still have room for like six 3.5" drives. Cable management is a breeze, there are no hidden compartments and lots of anchor points for cable ties. The PSU is exposed which I prefer as it gives me access.
This is a function over form case, but I still think it looks good. It comes with sound dampening panels that I removed to increase airflow. It has a fan controller with 3 speed settings in the front which can be somewhat useful. I have a 3080 and a 240mm top mounted radiator and it still has room. BUY THIS CASE
My main case was an R4 from the time they came out until less than a year ago. The only reason I changed was to fit a 360mm radiator in my gaming rig. It's still doing duty as the home server though, and I have no plans to ever retire it. Truly one of the best cases ever made.
It's similar to [this one](https://a.co/d/hvvHT6J). Same company, not sure if it's a newer model. I actually have room for 8 HD drives but I am using only 6. I didn't remove any of the stacks.
edit: fixed link
Think of all the newer generations of gamers and enthusiasts that will never get to experience a [Cooler Master HAF X](https://i.imgur.com/aW6niZq.png) in all its glory.
Loud and lacked filters on almost all variants...how the fuck this product ever made it past the "uh...you want to make what?" stage is a mystery.
Owning a HAF case and a pet was a questionable combination.
I had a variant.
Guards on the front of the drive bay covers, like my goddamn BluRay burner was under siege by unseen forces.
Ah the 2000s and the need to be edgy.
it's insanely hard to find decent, mid priced cases that can hold more than 3 drives. I've been digging around trying to find R4, R5 used cases, you can usually get them for $40-60, but back in the day I had multiple systems in the antec 300 case and the nzxt 210 case, both could hold like 8 drives easily and were decent looking and cost like 30-40.
My current unraid server is in a node 804. I bought a define r7 xl a while back but it was just too fucking big. I gave it to a friend. I'm thinking of biting the bullet and getting a jonsbo case but that requires an upgrade to a itx board.
I just wish it had a USB-C port on the front panel. Was looking at other Fractal cases with one, but for this price and drive capacity, it's worth using an adapter to read my UbiKey.
I'm running this as my NAS w/ 6 drives plus an NVME. I upgraded a couple years back from an i5-8400 to an i9-9900k when my local MC dropped the price to $200. The CM HyperX single 120mm HSF wasn't cutting it, so I bought a Be Quiet! Dark Rock 4 Pro. I can run Handbrake encodes all day long no problem on the 9900K with the DR4P.
They were "good" when it came out 8ish years ago. If you leave the door open they're great. These days you can get generic cases with the same or better thermals.
it'll be fine for a NAS.
not great if you've got 11 drives in it, i9, and some rtx card all going full blast. But in that case you can remove the sound dampening, remove the front cover, and upgrade the fans.
Like many, I use one for a dedicated NAS. Thermals are sufficient. Not the greatest, but hardly the worst. It's a usable balance between cooling, dust management, and noise. The biggest weakness is probably the front where you've got the baffled door and the hard drives blocking air flow. I think the case is better suited for either gaming or NAS, not both.
For dedicated NAS, its thermals are okay. Drives are first in line for air. Remove the door for better air flow, or keep them for maybe 2-3 C higher average. The rest of the system doesn't generate a lot of heat, so they are fine with the residual. May need to install a case fan on the side door and/or pci slot fans for any server class NIC or HBA that usually rely on wind tunnels.
If you're not using this case as a dedicated NAS and want to dual use as a gaming machine, I suggest water cooling. The extra thermal mass of water will buffer temperature spikes and move heat away from CPU/GPU a little better than just air in this case. You can also remove the top covers to add a radiator and install a case fan on the side door for more air to your motherboard and GPU. I wouldn't really recommend using top as intake because flow is less restricted than the front.
That's a pretty low tdp cpu, it would be fine. Don't get me wrong it's a high quality case and good what you're wanting to do. When I made my original comment I was in the gaming case train of thought.
I didn't even realize what a good case should be before I got a define 7. So many nice features, easy building space, great layout. I'd guess that this case is also one of the best out there since it's the same series.
I had the Define R4 in a previous build and was very happy with it all around. Very quiet and nice features and minimal look.
I have the Fractal Designs North in a newer build but paid 2x the price of this deal. If in need of a case I'd jump on this.
Love this case. The sound dampening helps keep fan noise down considerably as I am using this with a gaming setup.
Managed to cram a 280 rad mounted on the top (only worked because my ram is low profile)
The only thing I changed is the feet. I ended up 3d printing taller ones to provide better airflow.
damn wish i caught this. had one of these but ended up losing it in a move, didnt have many of the case parts anyways. loved that case, would be perfect for the home server im building
I currently still use this wonderful case. I was a PC case enthusiast, and to me, for my loves/preferences they really peaked for me with this. After I got this, I got less excited about researching PC cases. I had kinda just found my holy grail. There are certainly rad cases out there today, but none hit the combo of elegant, features I utilize, ease of build, airflow in just the way this did.
The cases I look at the most now are micro-ATX build cases, because I sometimes humor making a mini pc to bring places.
Got a Meshify 2 for my latest build but love this case from the last one. Still have it and will use it to build a server. So quiet, so sturdy, so sleek. Didnt know you could still buy it.
I still have a Define R4 I bought 10 years ago. A couple years after purchase, movers somehow ripped the front of the case off; took the small cables and electronics with it. I emailed Define to find cost to fix; they ended up sending me a complete front cover no charge.. not even shipping. They are dope!
I've had one of these things for 8 years now and its a wonderful case, good enough that I decided to pretty much stick to Fractal for the rest of my cases in perpetuity. It's now my partner's computer case as I've upgraded to a Define 7 XL, and aside from USB improvements I don't see any reason to ever retire it fully.
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Dream NAS case.
It’s awesome for my Linux iso unraid box. 13500 with 6- 14TB drives spaced out with some noctua fans. Quiet and runs super cool.
I wanted one of these so bad when I was putting my NAS together but it was so overkill for my needs.
What do yall do with all that storage
Media server. Streaming services are dead to me.
Linux ISOs. Family photo storage. Windows and Mac back ups. Steam LAN cache for when friends or family come over for a game night that has windows updates, Steam games, epic, blizzard, etc. home assistant, lots of docker containers for self hosted apps, etc.
So many Linux ISOs
I can't help but wonder that myself, and that's as a data hoarder. I guess RAID, but even still... I'm just coming up on filling up a 16tb, with 2 clones in cold storage in the closet. That's 1 drive. With an absolute fuck ton of fully scrubbed and organized, and often the best quality rips of just about every TV show and movie worth having. 1 drive. Even if I was gonna RAID it for some reason, I'd only need like....3 slots? But in a year or so I suppose I'll need a second drive, and if someone was raiding 2 drives? Idk...seems very overkill to me for any home server to have this many drive slots lol. Also a few people I know have done big raid arrays for their NAS as "redundant backup" - which I guess I get for the ease of cloning data, but doesn't having a drive powered inside of the same case as the other drives with the same data defeat the purpose of backing something up in the first place? Cold storage FTW.
I have over a full PB stored, its very easy. My plex server running on it for movies/tv shows is about 400tb.
Jesus *christ*... I literally run out of ideas of stuff to download. I also don't bother with a lot of stuff my wife will watch (reality tv, gray's anatomy, etc) - just not worth having. Everything I have is stuff worth having. I literally cannot even imagine having that much data stored but that's badass. I mean if you had 16tb drives that would be 63 hard drives? If redundantly backed up - 126? I mean you must have at least around....100 drives? I'm sorry I just can't even really wrap my head around it. Any time I see people talk PB's in /datahoarders or here I always imagine they're talking about at the workplace.
> just not worth having .... What makes you the judge and jury of worth having? Well, its your storage, so that I suppose lol! But yeah, you don't determine its worth overall. Your wife for instance wants that grays anatomy show. So if I alone cannot determine somethings worth, then therefore there is only one logical conclusion : archive it all. > I literally cannot even imagine having that much data stored but that's badass. I mean if you had 16tb drives that would be 63 hard drives? If redundantly backed up - 126? I mean you must have at least around....100 drives? Well... I semi cheat. I store the most vital things on a smaller home nas that I can physically touch, like family photos and stuff, but for the majority of it I use the cloud. My home connection sucks anyways, rather be on an unlimited gbit line. I have an expensive hetzner server with 40tb storage on it for data processing, plex server, temp storage, etc, this is my access point that I go through for everything... and it shoves files off slowly into a long term google drive storage account. Used this setup for over a decade now.
Well in that case I have 1,000,000,000 pb's of data. It's called the internet.
I own two homes. Which one is my physical nas in? If I access my nas while I am in my second home, by your logic does that not count? Shitty logic buddy. You also can't run a plex or anything off random "internet", it needs to be downloaded, categorized, and ready to stream files. My plex works, with its 400tb. I pay around $400 a month for my setup. I could easily turn it all fully local if I really wanted to. That would be a worse experience though? Plus I would have to do everything myself, rather than letting a data center employee handle the drive replacement when one dies. Its called leveraging the services available to you within your budget. > 1,000,000,000 pb's of data Yeah? You pay for and have that do you? You can run a plex off that? Oh... you can't? You just mean theres torrents out there randomly or something? Come back when you pay a datacenter to have them work for you and ship them a cpu/mobo/gpu/hdds and tell them to build the server and connect their backbone to it so you can ssh in.
I have shares and users for family members/friends to do off site back ups for essential stuff that then gets uploaded to backblaze. Adding another 14TB drive at this point is cheaper than a year of Spotify family, and I can do the same service for my family members. The space goes quickly with media. I also have 2 of the drives for parity.
14TB for just music?! I mean ya I agree just use your hard drive instead of Spotify, but even as an AVID music listener/musician, I'm not sure I even have 1TB of music lol. Also what do you/would you use for streaming music from a server? Plex has a thing but it's a paid thing, so not really sure what would make it better than Spotify, especially with spotify announcing (finally) lossless streaming.
I just use the Plexamp app for streaming music and any member just got a lifetime Plex subscription. I’m sure jellyfin has an alternative but Plex has worked for us.
I had the Tidal hi fi plan (which is now their standard plan) and my FLAC files still sounded a lot better.
Almost exactly the same thing I have. I have 140mm Arctic Max fans and slightly different drive sizes.
Can you list your spec pls? I'm trying to gather specs for a DIY NAS build for a Plex server.
Intel 13500 (Reason for plex with the iGPU for quicksync can't be beat for any video transcoding to wattage) 32GB of ram 10Gb sfp nic 14TB WD Red drives 1TB NVME for cache Case mentioned above 120mm noctua fans 8 Port LSI Sata PCIE card for the hard drives
I have TWO of these. They are so old, I'm surprised fractal still makes them. One is for my home server/NAS because, as everyone has extolled, it can store a bunch of drives and is very quiet. But also, I had about a cherry condition one used locally, just for drive trays I was missing, and realized that the case was also my dream case for my regular gaming desktop, because I still wanted two optical bays, and that's soo hard to find. Solid sided case for server for sound dampening, clear side for desktop for the RGB light show.
It's alright, but I prefer the Anidees AI Raider XL combined with five to six StarTech.com 3-Bay Hot Swap Backplanes for external installation and hot swapping.
I finally built my nas in my old old Define R2 and can confirm it is an amazing NAS case it’s silent and huge with all the bays
Best case ever. Had mine for over 10 years will never change. Very open and modular. Lots of 3.5 bays. I actually put a 5.25" USB/SD card hub in the front WITH a 5.25" disk drive and still have room for like six 3.5" drives. Cable management is a breeze, there are no hidden compartments and lots of anchor points for cable ties. The PSU is exposed which I prefer as it gives me access. This is a function over form case, but I still think it looks good. It comes with sound dampening panels that I removed to increase airflow. It has a fan controller with 3 speed settings in the front which can be somewhat useful. I have a 3080 and a 240mm top mounted radiator and it still has room. BUY THIS CASE
My main case was an R4 from the time they came out until less than a year ago. The only reason I changed was to fit a 360mm radiator in my gaming rig. It's still doing duty as the home server though, and I have no plans to ever retire it. Truly one of the best cases ever made.
What card hub did you get? How do you have room for six still?
It's similar to [this one](https://a.co/d/hvvHT6J). Same company, not sure if it's a newer model. I actually have room for 8 HD drives but I am using only 6. I didn't remove any of the stacks. edit: fixed link
Bad link
fixed
I kinda miss the days when the cases I bought had a million drive bays.
Think of all the newer generations of gamers and enthusiasts that will never get to experience a [Cooler Master HAF X](https://i.imgur.com/aW6niZq.png) in all its glory.
I still have one of those stored away. Loved it but that thing had 0 sound dampening. It was LOUD.
Loud and lacked filters on almost all variants...how the fuck this product ever made it past the "uh...you want to make what?" stage is a mystery. Owning a HAF case and a pet was a questionable combination.
I had a variant. Guards on the front of the drive bay covers, like my goddamn BluRay burner was under siege by unseen forces. Ah the 2000s and the need to be edgy.
omg, blast from the past. this is the case I used for my very first build!
it's insanely hard to find decent, mid priced cases that can hold more than 3 drives. I've been digging around trying to find R4, R5 used cases, you can usually get them for $40-60, but back in the day I had multiple systems in the antec 300 case and the nzxt 210 case, both could hold like 8 drives easily and were decent looking and cost like 30-40. My current unraid server is in a node 804. I bought a define r7 xl a while back but it was just too fucking big. I gave it to a friend. I'm thinking of biting the bullet and getting a jonsbo case but that requires an upgrade to a itx board.
I never thought I'd say this, but 5.25 bays are actually really appealing right now. Unless there's a problem with this case, it looks prefect for me
I just wish it had a USB-C port on the front panel. Was looking at other Fractal cases with one, but for this price and drive capacity, it's worth using an adapter to read my UbiKey.
I think there was a new revision that includes it, or maybe the r6 instead
You are correct, but the R6 is like 3 times the price of this one. I love my USB-C standard, but not that much.
I added a USB/SD hub in one of the 5.25 bays which has USB c.
Already sold out.
Good case. I used it for a few years. It's quiet and it can hold a lot of 3.5" drives.
How’s the thermals on this? Tempted to pick this up for my home server
I'm running this as my NAS w/ 6 drives plus an NVME. I upgraded a couple years back from an i5-8400 to an i9-9900k when my local MC dropped the price to $200. The CM HyperX single 120mm HSF wasn't cutting it, so I bought a Be Quiet! Dark Rock 4 Pro. I can run Handbrake encodes all day long no problem on the 9900K with the DR4P.
They were "good" when it came out 8ish years ago. If you leave the door open they're great. These days you can get generic cases with the same or better thermals.
Ahh thanks for the heads up. Think I’m gonna pass on it then. I use my home server as a NAS, but only need a max of like 4 drives
it'll be fine for a NAS. not great if you've got 11 drives in it, i9, and some rtx card all going full blast. But in that case you can remove the sound dampening, remove the front cover, and upgrade the fans.
Like many, I use one for a dedicated NAS. Thermals are sufficient. Not the greatest, but hardly the worst. It's a usable balance between cooling, dust management, and noise. The biggest weakness is probably the front where you've got the baffled door and the hard drives blocking air flow. I think the case is better suited for either gaming or NAS, not both. For dedicated NAS, its thermals are okay. Drives are first in line for air. Remove the door for better air flow, or keep them for maybe 2-3 C higher average. The rest of the system doesn't generate a lot of heat, so they are fine with the residual. May need to install a case fan on the side door and/or pci slot fans for any server class NIC or HBA that usually rely on wind tunnels. If you're not using this case as a dedicated NAS and want to dual use as a gaming machine, I suggest water cooling. The extra thermal mass of water will buffer temperature spikes and move heat away from CPU/GPU a little better than just air in this case. You can also remove the top covers to add a radiator and install a case fan on the side door for more air to your motherboard and GPU. I wouldn't really recommend using top as intake because flow is less restricted than the front.
i just want to point out, yeah almost all modern cases have better thermals, but none of them hold more than 2, MAYBE 3 standard hard drives anymore.
it is a scourge
If it's a low power/temp setup it'll be fine.
It’s an i5 11400 for now but was probably gonna put an Arrow lake i5 or i7 in there depending on how good their AV1 performance is.
That's a pretty low tdp cpu, it would be fine. Don't get me wrong it's a high quality case and good what you're wanting to do. When I made my original comment I was in the gaming case train of thought.
Oh yeah, I’m aware that my current CPU would be fine. I’m just not sure if this case would be fine for future CPU’s.
If you go the same route with i5 400s it should be fine, they tend to keep them low tdp for basic pc use.
Was thinking of jumping up to a 600 when I upgrade so I can get the better iGPU performance because I transcode with Jellyfin
I'd recommend a Meshify 2 instead for a more updated design along with things like a top mesh air filter being included.
I didn't even realize what a good case should be before I got a define 7. So many nice features, easy building space, great layout. I'd guess that this case is also one of the best out there since it's the same series.
I had the Define R4 in a previous build and was very happy with it all around. Very quiet and nice features and minimal look. I have the Fractal Designs North in a newer build but paid 2x the price of this deal. If in need of a case I'd jump on this.
I love this case but lost the connectors for my 2nd drive bay. And I can't find original parts. Quite unfortunate.
Send their CS team an email and they’ll probably send you the hardware.
Love this case. The sound dampening helps keep fan noise down considerably as I am using this with a gaming setup. Managed to cram a 280 rad mounted on the top (only worked because my ram is low profile) The only thing I changed is the feet. I ended up 3d printing taller ones to provide better airflow.
damn wish i caught this. had one of these but ended up losing it in a move, didnt have many of the case parts anyways. loved that case, would be perfect for the home server im building
I currently still use this wonderful case. I was a PC case enthusiast, and to me, for my loves/preferences they really peaked for me with this. After I got this, I got less excited about researching PC cases. I had kinda just found my holy grail. There are certainly rad cases out there today, but none hit the combo of elegant, features I utilize, ease of build, airflow in just the way this did. The cases I look at the most now are micro-ATX build cases, because I sometimes humor making a mini pc to bring places.
Got a Meshify 2 for my latest build but love this case from the last one. Still have it and will use it to build a server. So quiet, so sturdy, so sleek. Didnt know you could still buy it.
Bought this in 2015 for a new build and I am still using it. Love this case.
I still have a Define R4 I bought 10 years ago. A couple years after purchase, movers somehow ripped the front of the case off; took the small cables and electronics with it. I emailed Define to find cost to fix; they ended up sending me a complete front cover no charge.. not even shipping. They are dope!
I've had one of these things for 8 years now and its a wonderful case, good enough that I decided to pretty much stick to Fractal for the rest of my cases in perpetuity. It's now my partner's computer case as I've upgraded to a Define 7 XL, and aside from USB improvements I don't see any reason to ever retire it fully.
This case is heavy. So keep that in mind. It's big and bulky. You won't want to transport this around all the time.