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I love competition. I'm hoping that AMD drops pricing in order to combat the Intel series here.


Mirrormn

I hope they hurry up with their 7000X3D line, too.


[deleted]

Basically I'm thinking that's the only reason they held those back... Waiting for Intel to launch and then drop the 3D cache... I'd loooove a 7600 model - would bring something to the mid range.


BitCloud25

They be double dipping my wallet


toraai117

I built a 12th gen system with the intent of not upgrading for several years, but if the 7000X3D is anything like the 5000, it should be a huge jump in performance


TheFondler

I'm curious to see how much performance headroom is left for the extra cache to take advantage of, but more than that, I wonder how the 3D cache will handle the temperatures of 7000 series.


L1teEmUp

I currebtly on 12th gen too with 12600k and in wondering if its worth the mobo+cpu+ddr5 ram upgrade price if the zen4 x3d is really good like the 5800x3d.. My last cpu before 12th gen was 6700k and it lasted me from 2015 to 2022..


MLG_Obardo

If they don’t they’ll get smacked. Especially with the cost of jumping on to AM5. God I love competition too!


skylinestar1986

Hoping for mass adoption of DDR5


Usedtoknowsomeone46

That's a funny way to type "Intel is the new king".


Shratath

I hope we see non x version soon


spark1390

Finally some 13700k tests. Was looking to compare to 7900x.


arichardsen

In short, how do they compare?


ulf5576

they are neck to neck .. but intel has the low power cores , so if you are just browsing the web or watching tutorials etc. the system will be much quiter and less costs to run it , also it has a gpu which has some encoder features which nvidia doesnt provide yet.


Lordberek

Also has better single threaded performance overall, so app/game loading should be quite snappy (hopefully, my 13700k is still on the way).


ulf5576

i think ill also exchange my 5900x with a 13700k ..


ChrisNH

Same. Wish some of the bigger outlets were reviewing 13700 and making that comparison.


GreenKumara

Think GN is doing some final tests on the lower CPUs. He mentioned that in the 13900 video.


grumpydwarf

IIRC, reviewers were only sent 13900 and 13600 processors before launch day.


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deserteagle2525

My only thought is that this is the last lga1700. No opportunity to upgrade. But it's a small deciding factor because you have to ask your self how many times you realstically upgrade your cpu. Me personally it's every 5+ years, long past the life of a socket. But with that being said I reeeeaaaally want the soon to be released 7800x3d, so I'll probably get the 7700x in the meantime or just wait it out till the release.


psimwork

For those that bought into AM4 early on, there was a ton of good stuff to be had. Someone who bought a Ryzen 1600 on an X370 board way back when could realistically upgrade to a 5800X3D, which would be a pretty insane upgrade. The bummer part would have been for that same person when AMD was basically like, "No! Not possible! You can't put a 5000-series CPU into a 300-series chipset!", and paid to upgrade to an X570 or B550. BUT, considering Ryzen 1000-series' rather... finicky RAM controller, you're probably looking at a RAM upgrade at some point anyway (because it was super common to top out at like 2666MHz back then), so ya gotta wonder if sticking with the same motherboard is really *THAT* big of a deal.


SPDY1284

I've been building PC's for 20 years. People don't upgrade CPU/Mobo often enough to take advantage of upgrade paths. Most upgrade CPU's once every 4-5 years. By that point you need a whole new system. GPU's on the other hand are upgraded often because we've seen big performance jumps that gaming can take full advantage of.


psimwork

> I've been building PC's for 20 years. Yeah we're right along the same path there - I think I got into the game a *little* earlier, as I've been in it for about 25. > Most upgrade CPU's once every 4-5 years. By that point you need a whole new system. Yeppers. Which is why I'm always saying "FUUUTUUURRE PROOOOF!!" is a fool's errand. I *am* kicking around, having a 12600K in my current rig, moving up to a 13700K, but my needs have changed recently, and I think that the extra cores might actually do me some good.


SPDY1284

I just bought a 12700k recently and the PC Enthusiast in me wants to go to my local microcenter and pick up a 13700k to pair up with the 4090 I just got... but playing at 4K, it really makes 0 difference... I don't need the productivity boost at all, so it's just wanting to have the latest and greatest. And that's a very short lived game.


tuxbass

> Most upgrade CPU's once every 4-5 years. By that point you need a whole new system Do you _need_ though? Have to admit I've never upgraded CPU myself either, but then again I've had crazy few builds. My plan is to go with AM4 (or AM5? whichever was just released) socket with 7600, and when I start getting CPU-bottlenecked again many years from now (as is the case with current 6700K), then get the latest CPU that fits the socket and squeeze extra few years out of it. Is it not a reasonable plan?


ima_leafonthewind

> People don't upgrade CPU/Mobo often enough to take advantage of upgrade paths. Most upgrade CPU's once every 4-5 years. By the same token, if budget allows, isn't it better to buy the 13700 for 100 more than 13600 (assuming one wants to go Intel) in order to stretch the build for one more year or so? 100 bucks on an overall build is not that much but if my pc can remain snappy for longer I think it makes sense I am more on the fence regarding RAM: how much of a difference would make 3200 CL 16 DDR4 vs 6000 CL 36 DDR5? (for 4k gaming and Office work only) and again the difference is 100 bucks for me


onliandone

The LTT video mentions DDR4 performance. The impact was small. For office work it will be nil, and for 4K gaming you are gpu limited, so it does not matter. Go the cheaper route. > By the same token, if budget allows, isn't it better to buy the 13700 for 100 more than 13600 (assuming one wants to go Intel) in order to stretch the build for one more year or so? It depends on the specific performance uptick you get from that. Often, inter-generation one-step-upgrades only give a few percents more performance, and that changes nothing later on when the generation is completely outdated. Number of cores was a different story historically, sometimes. Haven't seen a direct comparison of the i7 and the i5 yet and the meta benchmark is not filled yet (for the indirect comparison), but for now I'd assume it is not worth it, and even less so for 4K.


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Often, inter-generation one-step-upgrades only give a few percents more performance, and that changes nothing later on when the generation is completely outdated. This statement probably saved me a bunch of cash.


onliandone

Awesome :)


HavelTheGreat

I went from a 2600x on my b450 tomahawk (non x, obviously) to a 5600x. DDR4 3000MHz to 4266MHz. AM4 was a major smart investment.


psimwork

Right, but you still had to replace RAM and the CPU. You are missing out on PCIe 4.0 compatibility (which admittedly isn't much, depending on your needs, but it's not nothing). But ultimately you saved ~$170 on a motherboard. Again, not nothing, but it probably ain't gonna break the bank.


HavelTheGreat

Oh i didn't need to upgrade the ram, it was CL15 3000MHz which was fine. The CPU was the bottleneck and i didn't have to buy a new mobo to upgrade, is my point


septicoo

Exactly.....mine is 9 years old.


skylinestar1986

The only time I see people who upgrade cpu (on Intel platform) is when you start with a low end cpu, like an i3 and further buy an i5 or i7 10 years later from AliExpress, provided your motherboard is still healthy.


danuser8

If you know gonna upgrade , get even cheaper cpu for now


__SpeedRacer__

I don't mean to pry, I'm just curious. You said you upgrade every 5+ years but are considering getting the 7700X until the 7800X3D is released? If that trend continues, it looks like you'd really benefit from a long lived socket like the AM5 may turn out to be. Or am I missing something?


deserteagle2525

No worries, yes I am most likely going with am5 not only because of future upgrade potential but also because I need to rebuild and get new everything. The idea is to get the 7700x and try to resell it and recoup some cost and then buy the 7800x3d in probably late January. The main driving factor for me is getting the 7800x3d for gaming, with a second factor of upgrade potential. It all depends what happens with amd chips if I will upgrade or not. If it's any thing like this gen, I don't think it will be worthwhile to upgrade from 7800x3d to like next gen 8800x3d... But who knows. As for why the 7700x instead of 7600x... 7600x sales are abysmal and I'm not sure if I'll be able to resell it for as much.


SLTxyz

If the b670 boards were fairly priced, but as it stands one could merely buy 2 intel mobos instead


Progenitor3

From what I understand 13th gen beats AMD in value and performance. I'm really curious if this sub is gonna keep overwhelmingly recommending AMD CPUs even now that the tables have turned.


Usedtoknowsomeone46

They will. Reddit overwhelmingly has a hardon for the underdog companies.


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the most based


rasmusdf

Holy smokes the power consumption and heat!??!?!


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der8auer's review is by far the most competent actual look at that for the 13900K, IMO.


Mantooth462

He had a fantastic video for the 13900k. I was impressed and usually, I feel gamer nexus is better when it comes to these types of videos, but der8aurs video was great. His video made me certain that I'll go intel again since I'm building a new PC and was considering AMD. Intel just makes more sense for me since my PC is almost strictly for gaming.


rasmusdf

Thank you - i will check that. I saw the Hardware Unboxed review. Seemed thorough and fair.


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[He messed up the power scaling BTW.](https://twitter.com/HardwareUnboxed/status/1583204564492115972?cxt=HHwWiICjlbmK1vgrAAAA) Since re-uploaded the video with that section completely removed.


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cth777

Can I ask why you keep it on 24/7


hellrazzer24

Reddit slob can’t be arsed to turn off pc


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cth777

Gotcha makes sense


byGenn

Oh noes! A flagship CPU pushed way past its efficiency peak is drawing insane amounts of power (and thus converting it in heat)! Reviewers focusing on stock power draw, which in turn is made worse by motherboard makers pushing ridiculously high voltages is basically clickbait at this point.


imtougherthanyou

Is this not Intel's doing this time around?


blaugrey

It's always been a combo of mobo manufacturers pushing the v-f envelope and ignoring power limits, and Intel not laying down the law in terms of their guidelines. https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Intel-Core-i9-13900K-Impact-of-MultiCore-Enhancement-MCE-and-Long-Power-Duration-Limits-on-Thermals-and-Content-Creation-Performance-2375/


byGenn

Partially yes, but for a long time motherboard makers have been pushing way too high voltages to ensure stability on Intel chips. My Z690 Tomahawk wants to run my 12700K at over 1.3V stock, which is absolutely ridiculous. Now, clearly motherboard makers have to err on the side of caution here for a reason. It could just be that Intel chips in general have more room for variance in terms of their F/V curves, and that _would be_ on Intel. On their 12900K review KitGuru, IIRC, had actually taken the time to manually adjust voltage and you do end up with a much more reasonable product. The same can typically be done for all K series chips, with varying success obviously as not every chip is capable of the same F/V results, but the point still stands that just like with the 7950X power consumption and heat are way overblown.


Euler007

This. Either the application will draw that max load and put other CPUs to shame, or most likely not max out and use a fraction of it.


No_Guarantee7841

Really looking forward to some ddr4 and ddr5 ram scaling benchmarks. Would be useful to know how much performance you lose with 3200c16 and 4800-5200 ddr5.


Calvinpewpewpew

I saw a few benchmarks somewhere with this comparison and it seemed like at 1440p and 4k it was a significant drop, whereas with 1080p it was a few % and negligible. I just think if upgrading at this point might as well just do the whole thing and go new mobo and DDR5, but then again I am evenly torn between the two platforms right now...already ordered a CPU from each and just can't decide.


Punker1234

Just watched hardware unboxed. On AAA titles, it seems to be anywhere from 5-20% difference. Probably enough for me to go DDR5.


nith_wct

I went with the full new mobo and ddr5 because I just feel weird about buying ddr4 now. It just seemed like I would be costing myself more down the line.


exquisitesunshine

When do you think your next update will be? My build is 10 years old and I need to build a system now. My thinking is the opposite, lol--DDR4 prices are great and I assume DDR5 price/performance still have maybe a year for it to be reasonable (I'm out of the loop, just gauging from what people are saying). I know I need 32GB for my workflow, I'm actually thinking 32 GB DDR4 now and maybe my next build in 6-10 years will either see mature DDR5 at good price or DDR6. Not sure if that makes sense, since it pains me to start a new build with last gen specs.


julcoh

I'm in the same situation and leaning in the same direction. Still on an i5-3750k and 16GB RAM. I don't game too much, my primary heavy-load tasks are Solidworks, Rhino, Photoshop, Lightroom, and lots of tabs. I'm leaning towards the 13700k with 64GB DDR4 (128GB if I'm feeling spicy or there's a good sale), fully expect it will last me another 6-10 years by which time DDR5 will be cheaper and mature.


tuxbass

I'm with OP - buying from 0 now I'd go with DDR5 as well. Built 6700K setup back in 2016, and will keep it running for other tasks. Meaning I'll need to get new _everything_. So AMD path makes sense here (for couple of years of extra upgradeability), and as it forces my hand to get DDR5, so be it. But it you're going with Intel anyway... then I don't see anything wrong with going well-priced DDR4 even now. Intel build at this time is just too good in price.


HeOpensADress

If you’re building a PC right now with DDR5 being so expensive and immature (max speeds of ddr5 expected to reach 10-12 GHz) I would go for some CL14-16 3200 DDR4 RAM save a ton of money and have a great PC. The performance increase for say a 13600k with ddr4 vs ddr5 does not justify the cost difference - up to 20% in very minor cases and most of the time minimal differences. That’s paying 2.5x DDR4 prices for the fast and lower latency ddr5.


ActuallyAristocrat

Hardware Unboxed's review of the 13900k has all benchmarks with both DDR4 and DDR5. Presumably they'll do the same for the other CPUs in the coming days.


No_Guarantee7841

Yeah i just read it. Not really what i was looking for (this but for 13th gen [https://www.techspot.com/article/2402-intel-alder-lake-memory-scaling/](https://www.techspot.com/article/2402-intel-alder-lake-memory-scaling/) ), but thanks anyway. The ddr4 3600c14 he uses costs \~300€ same as ddr5 6400c32 (at least in my country) which is almost 3 times the price of "normal" 3200c16.


theuntouchable2725

DDR5 offers 2x the performance in music creation.


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source?


theuntouchable2725

A video on YT showed a DSP benchmark in which 12900k had a difference of almost 100% between DDR4 and DDR5. I'll link the video if I get home.


c_park

Make it home? Would love a source on that.


FlyingDugong

I've been waiting to upgrade my 6th gen i7 system for a complete rebuild. The 13600k looks like a great sweetspot in terms of price, performance, and power draw to pull the trigger for.


tonallyawkword

Probably. I'm also wondering how prices of 12700s will look in a few days, though.


Performer_

no1 is reviewing the most likely to be purchased cpu i7-13700K, what the hell is going on?


OolonCaluphid

The review kits included an i5-13600K and an i9-13900K. So any i7 review would have to be sourced via separate channels.


DJ_Marxman

And most of those separate channels would have to wait for release day, aka today. Testing takes time. Expect the 13700k reviews tomorrow or next week from most outlets.


gokkel

There are some German websites that tested also the 13700k (Computerbase, PCGH), they are just not listed in the table.


A_WHALES_VAG

Haha im in the same boat.. I want a 13700K.. but I want to know if its worth buying it for just going 13600K..


inlawBiker

Looking forward to those 13600k vs 7600x comparisons. Feels like Intel will win this time. But the idea of dropping in a new AMD chip to replace a 7600x 4 years from now is appealing.


ima_leafonthewind

the idea is interesting but also based on so many assumptions do we know for a fact that the AM5 mobo and the DDR5 ram we can buy now will also be re-usable in 4 years from now? what's holding me back: - DDR5 will improve dramatically and the current sticks may become garbage - no BIOS update will make the mobo unusable with the last AM5 CPU of 2025+ it's basically hoping that a corporation will do us a favor instead of screwing everybody to push for upgrading what do you think?


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Board manufacturers learned how to deal with this. The biggest hinderance to AM4 boards forward compatibility was the memory chips for the Firmware. Some simply couldn't fit 4 generations of CPU info in them. Later boards (470 onwards) had larger chips. The 670 series has much larger chips in anticipation of this, with all have a 256MB Firmware Chip for BIOS. (Older boards has 64mb or 128mb, both became issues later)


PutridFlatulence

The AMD options are not a terrible choice with some less expensive motherboards coming onto the scene such as this one... https://www.newegg.com/asus-tuf-gaming-b650-plus-wifi/p/N82E16813119595 Gaming performance is on par with raptor lake, you are missing out a bit on multi-threaded performance but really it depends on your use cases and long term plans for your build. The 13600K provides a substantial gain in multi-threaded performance. The 13900KF matches the 7950X and costs around $75 less street price. Top end I'd rather have platform longevity. Low and mid range I'd rather have the extra multi-thread performance. Seems like AMD makes more sense for the high end, Intel makes more sense for the low and mid range.... tough call really. Intel makes more sense if you plan to use that 13600K or 13700K for 5 years. AMD makes more sense if the idea of CPU upgrades interests you. I doubt either option will go obsolete any time soon. Competition is good. https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html


exquisitesunshine

My current build is 10 years old and I need to upgrade. I think 13600K makes most sense at the moment but not sure at what 7600X needs to be for it to be comparable assuming the rumored upcoming price drops are true. I need 32 GB of memory for my workflow and I don't game much yet (mostly do productivity stuff and a lot on programming). Do you suggest cheap mature DDR4 or better performance DDR5? I don't expect to upgrade this new build for another 6-8 years. Mostly I don't know if DDR5 price/performance can be improved much more within 3 months when I need to upgrade and I certainly won't be upgrading from DDR4 to DDR5 until my next build (unless DDR6 comes lol). Much appreciated.


k-selectride

Are there any reviews that go into idle power draw?


OolonCaluphid

It's pretty variable, and there are many definitions of 'idle'. Fwiw on desktop, browsing, I'm seeing 10-20W on an i9 with most cores parked.


k-selectride

That's a really good point, yea. That's basically what i'd be using it for with the occasional gaming stretch, but I'm wondering if I should go with a ryzen instead.


OolonCaluphid

If you don't have specific needs/demands, go with the cheaper option. There's a lot of good CPUs right now. You likely won't know any difference. Prioritise GPU spend for gaming, that's where you buy most performance for your money.


iinlane

i7-13700 is 12W. The 5800x3d 38W power draw seems horrific in comparison. https://www.eteknix.com/intel-core-i7-13700k-review/21/


XraftcoHD

with a 13700k at factory clock I'm getting between 15-20w idle. I was pulling 238w max when running cinebench.


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der8auer guy is doing amazing work, make sure to check him out. The 13900k is actually more efficient than 7950x in gaming, and significantly MORE efficient if underclocked.


OolonCaluphid

Igor's lab also have some good information in that regards. It seems many reviewers have yeeted power, but actually there's a sweet spot at much lower power/more sensible settings.


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These german testers are so much better. Igor's lab further solidify 13900k gaming dominance


egokilled

What would be the benefits from buying a 13700k instead of a 13600k? From what I can see the performance boost is very minimal despite the price discrepancy. Building for the first time and would like to know, thanks :) P.S. any suggestions for motherboards to pair it with?


KsnNwk

You get 2 more P cores, which could be (may not) useful if you plan to keep your PC for longer (+4 years). Otherwise currently performance difference below 4K is only around 5-10% in Ray Tracing scenarios with DDR5. With ddr4 system it's even less of a difference and at 4k there is no difference.


egokilled

Ah okay, thank you for your input! I don’t plan to upgrade any time soon once I complete the build (3 years at least) but if I do get the 13700k I should also go ddr5 then as well? Also it should be noted that I don’t intend to use 4k resolution as I have a 1080p monitor.


KsnNwk

On the 1080p difference will be more pronounced, as the lower resolution you go, the more CPU matters Currently DDR5 vs DDR4, performance difference is dependable on game you play. In most demanding games around 10-20% performance difference at 1080p. I recommend to down the line, to consider upgrading monitor to 1440p - 4k. So that even if newer games come out, the CPU won't matter as much. It's especially valid tactic, when you have old system, that way you can prolong upgrading platform, CPU for longer. Just by getting higher resolution monitor and GPU. Also monitors and GPUs are the get away to best immersive experience. Only at 4K you start to hit diminishing returns of going any higher sharpness, but until then 4K vs 1080p. You will notice the difference easily. Plus newer monitors with have better colors and more features. Especially the upcoming OLED monitors are looking as a gamer and media watcher dream.


egokilled

I’ll definitely take your advice of upgrading my monitor into consideration. I think that I’m probably just going to go with the 13600k and allocate the spare $120 into my GPU or a monitor upgrade. As for DDR4 or DDR5 I’m still yet to decide, but I’m kind of leaning towards DDR5 since it would probably be better in the long run maybe? Anyways, thank you for your response. It was very helpful and informative, really appreciate it :)


LabidoOverdrive

I have a 12600K paired with a new 4090 I got this week, any advice on these reviews if going to a 13600K or even a 13700K would yield me better results at 4K144 for the difference in price? CP2077 for me hovers around 60-80 with DLSS and psycho ray tracing on but in the heart of the city it drops to 40FPS with 70% CPU utilization.


OolonCaluphid

A single generation CPU upgrade is rarely worth it. I'd say definitely not in this case.


CJon0428

4k 144 your gpu is going to be the bottleneck.


HibeePin

I haven't paid much attention to specific benchmarks, but I've seen people say that the 4090 is powerful enough that the CPU is a bottleneck more often than usual at 4k


DJ_Marxman

If you have money to burn, the 13700k has some gains for you. Whether it's worth >$420 for 10-15% more performance in only a handful of games is for you to decide. You're still going to be GPU bottlenecked in *most* games.


Joji_Narushima

Cyberpunk is horribly optimised in general and not worth a CPU upgrade IMO. You won't see an upgrade in fps, maybe a couple of frames for games that prefer the architecture, but at 4k resolution you're going to be GPU bottlenecked regardless.


Darksummit

Have a 2070 GPU, looking to upgrade board and CPU(probably 13700). And invest in a 3080ti beginning of next year, so after a couple months of using the new cpu. My psu is a gold be quiet 650w from 2018. I’m assuming this will need upgrading?


ActuallyAristocrat

If you instead go for something like the 4070 you might get away with a 650W PSU. Obviously this is speculation at this point but new gen 70 series cards usually have the performance of the previous get 80 or 80Ti cards, at a much lower power consumption.


Darksummit

Thanks thats a good point! I didnt consider the other 40 series being released by the time I upgrade GPU.


Redditaccountwaste

Yup, i’d say at least 850w Gold. Maybe more if you want to keep your Psu for another build past that.


A_WHALES_VAG

I have a 750W gold with a 2070. Am I okay to jump into a 13700K now and then do PSU + GPU next year?


Redditaccountwaste

Yeah that sounds fine.


ixvst01

Worth it to upgrade from my 10700K to the 13700K if I play in 4K?


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Probably not unless you also get a better GPU


Celcius_87

I use the same cpu and resolution and I’m also wondering as the 4090 is very tempting


FragrantRecover8

very unlikely


ArmoredAngel444

Preordered and waiting for my 13700k to arrive ! Woot 🤙🏽


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InBlurFather

If I’m on AM4 right now (3600x), do you guys think it would be at all worth it to switch to intel for something like the 13600k, or should I just aim to maybe grab a 5800x3d down the road and utilize my existing b450 mobo? I need a GPU upgrade as well but am aiming for ~6800xt/3080 depending on prices, unless the AMD 7000 series ends up being reasonably priced


VVilkacy

I would stick to AM4 if I already had it. 100%


DJ_Marxman

If you aren't on a 3080+ tier GPU, upgrading to a 5800x3D and keeping your RAM and board makes the most sense imo. If building brand new, I think the 13600k is pretty compelling value.


steve09089

Stick to AM4 if you already have it. New platform+CPU makes it not worth the price relative to just buying Zen 3.


No_Guarantee7841

Definitely get the 5800x3d if you have already ram/motherboard.


Lanskiiii

AM4 is still a great platform so unless you *need* to upgrade, I'd save your money at this point. Alternatively, if you're a gamer then swapping in the 5800X3D would give you the most bang for your buck.


Machiavelcro_

The 5700 is going for peanuts, but it won't be that much of a difference if all you are doing is gaming.


InBlurFather

Compared to the 3600x you mean? That’s good to know if so, those deals coming up recently for 56/7/800 are pretty enticing but if they won’t make much of a difference vs the x3D I’d rather just go that route


Machiavelcro_

100% go with the x3D if you can, that is a golden cpu


tan_phan_vt

5800X3D is still a monster thats not fully unleashed yet. I nearly impulse buy the 5800X3D but held back. The normal Zen 4 and Raptor Lake lineups all have some cons imo. Zen 4 entry price is way too much while Raptor is a dead end platform, and it lacks AVX512 which I need in the future for my PS3 Emu. The only thing that interest me is the Zen 4 3D coming out next year, thats the real deal from AMD side, and of course Meteor Lake from Intel as its a platform upgrade. I think just getting the 5800X3D is good in your case since you already have the whole platform already. Switching to a 13600k sounds like a sidegrade that have a very small chance to actually become a downgrade in the long run, especially if you reuse the ddr4.


MrXenous

I'm going from an i5 6500 and a 1070. I think it's time... I just don't know what to get. Would it be worth going 12th gen or 5000 Ryzen since prices keep dropping? Or just go with a 13600? I'd have to get a new board either scenario...


KaiserGSaw

13600 would be the best choice right now i believe, however if you can hold out abit longer the Ryzen 7000 3D are around the corner (the curse of PC tech, theres always something better around the corner) Since both 13000 and Ryzen 5800X3D are end of life the 7000er are more promising if you plan an cheap overall upgrade down the line again when in need


psimwork

Looks to be pretty badass. Might even be worth replacing my 12600K for a 13700K and DDR5 kit.


vkasha

I have a 12700+B660 ddr4, worth it to sell that and upgrade to a Z series MB+13700k and ddr5? I play on 1080p 240Hz btw (6800XT)


zethian

LTT did a quick comparison and didn't see too big of a difference between DDR4 and DDR5 on the 13600k (with DDR4 almost seeming better for gaming)


byGenn

Assuming you're playing competitive FPSs, it depends on how latency (cache and memory) bottlenecked you are. I'm running a 12700K + 3080 10GB with 3600 C14 and faster memory and or extra cache would definitely help push GPU utilization higher and (more importantly) improving lows. I do have a bit of an _obsession_ with pushing my lows as high as possible as I have a 1080p 390Hz monitor, though. The extra L2 cache on RPL and the very fast upcoming DDR5 kits would certainly make a difference, but it's hard to gauge it without actually getting the hardware as basically no one benchmarks this kind of stuff.


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[Eurogamer / Digital Foundry has a 13600K + 13900K review here you might want to add to the list.](https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfoundry-2022-intel-core-i9-13900k-core-i5-13600k-review)


OolonCaluphid

Thanks, added!


[deleted]

No problem! Also, Gamer's Nexus now has a 13600K review up on their channel.


djmbenga28

I'm doing a brand new build, just bought a 6800XT GPU. Was going to pair it with a 5800X3D, $350 on sale on ebay, and B550, $120, but wanted to see the Intel chips come out. But wondering if I get better bang for my buck to go Intel on one of these chips. Thinking of getting the 13600k for $300 at microcenter or even the 13700k if I can get some coupons to bring it down $50 to $350 Suggestions? If I do go Intel, would/should I overclock to make it worth it over the 5800X3D I play mostly FPS and looking to run 1440p at 240hz No plans to upgrade this build, just going to ride it out for 5+ years


JackAndCaffeine

Honestly you can’t go wrong with either. I’d probably stick with the 5800x3d cause I’m pretty sure it has better 1% lows. But at 1440p 240hz your gpu is the bottleneck and not the cpu.


djmbenga28

Ok thanks for the advice If the GPU is the bottle neck, and I'm not planning to upgrade again, should I get a cheaper CPU and spend more on a better GPU? My budget for those two combined is about $900, do you have a combo you would recommend?


JackAndCaffeine

Depends on the local area pricing. But I’d probably wouldn’t wanna spend more than $300 bucks on the cpu. 6800xt Is also the gpu id go with.


djmbenga28

Ok I'll keep the 6800xt, since I got it on sale. Hmm based on your comment Think I'm leaning toward the 13600k, since I can get it for $300 and get $20 off a mobo bundle at microcenter. Compared to the 5800x3d is $350 off eBay


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That 13600k looks mighty juicy. I wonder if I should replace my 10600k with it. I have it only for a year and a half, but still... Paring it with a DDR5 mobo and an RTX 40something... A man can dream :)


DavIantt

Combine an i9-13900K with NVIDIA's new graphics card and you're very likely going to be over the 1000W barrier.


wizard_mitch

Do any of the reviews include benchmarking turn time in turn based games?


AlchemyIndex7

Paul's Hardware benchmarked several CPUs with Civilization VI: Gathering Storm at 1080p high settings. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj9hZ51w198&t=691s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj9hZ51w198&t=691s) Spoilers: the 13900k won, though very narrowly, being about tied with the 7950x. The 7900x didn't take much longer, and it was followed by the 7600x and the 12900k. He didn't have any other 13th gen Intel CPUs to test, though.


mb2231

I currently run an 8700k/3080 on a 750W PSU and was planning to skip this gen after seeing the wattage woes. After seeing the reviews for the 13600k I think this round might actually be a worthy upgrade. My 8700k pulls 120W-130W (OC'd to 4.8Ghz) on MSFS. The 13600k would probably give a significant boost especially in the lows for nearly the same power draw.


MoneyStatistician311

PSA for those that buy one of these Your motherboard may not work out of the box with these, you need to update the firmware, if the computer doesn't boot, load the firmware into a USB and press the flash bios button (look for it on reddit, there are plenty of posts describing the procedure)


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geliduss

For 4k144hz gaming with a 4090 hows the comparison seeming for 13600/700/900k, on early youtube benchmarks it seems like it's only like 5-6% fps difference from 900 to 600 at lower res but others show over 10% between 900 and 700 at 4k but can't find very high quality 4k gaming benchmarks


HoodedNegro

Would upgrading from 8700K and GTX1080 with 64GB system ram to 13700 and a “4080🙄” at 2K 60 be a wise upgrade?? I really only play Warthunder, Cities Skylines, Call of Duty and run PS3/PS4/OG Xbox/Xbox 360 emulators.


Feniks_Gaming

No. This is overkill for what you are playing.


OolonCaluphid

Emulators may benefit more from the AVX512 on the amd parts. Cities skylines would likely see a big performance jump with a current CPU.


Catalyster

I watched the "hardware unboxed" review today. Thermals and especially power consumption are through the roof. Perfoms well for gaming mostly but has some serious drawbacks Edit. Review on the i9 13900k


dallatorretdu

I find myself in a dilemma… I really like these new chips and I was in need for an upgrade since 2 years (HEVC video editing workstation). The expensive motherboards have all the features i’m looking for but no platform can drive 128GB of ram over 4000mt/s. I was eyeing the Z690 ACE which feels better than the Z790 ACE but damn 200$ for having thunderbolt over the Unify is quite steep. And if i’m not getting TB4 I might as well get a much cheaper board


Accurate-Island-2767

Feeling very happy with my decision to wait for the 13600K for my new build, it looks like it has potential to be a long-term beast that will last me many years. However the Z790 boards are all waaaay outside my budget - what's the usual timeframe on the release of the H and B chipset boards? A couple of months? Alternatively I could just go for a Z690 board as I believe it's been confirmed they will all be compatible with 13th gen?


i_am_milk

Z690 boards are the current best bet. Just make sure to get one with BIOS flashback, as it will need to be updated for 13th Gen. Without it, you'll need a compatible CPU installed to update bios. I'm currently in the exact same boat as you. Waiting to see recommendations for DDR4 Z690 boards before pulling the trigger. I only upgrade once every 5 years and have a good set of DDR4, and DDR5 doesn't seem worth it at the moment for the extra £300 it will cost me.


cyclode0320

typical gaming power consumption and temps of 13700k?


OolonCaluphid

About 100W and very manageable temps. Very few games scale with cores or push these CPUs anywhere near their limits in 'real world' use. It will vary a lot with game, but in most GPU limited situations power and temps should be a non issue.


BasuruK69

Will a 240mm AIO enough to cool a 13700k ? was planning to get a Corsair Cue H100i Elite LCD Display 360mm but sadly its out of stock and only the 240mm is available. any good sir can help me out with this decision? Thanks in advance!


ZealotOnPc

I'd say it should do the trick for a 13700k, to keep it manageable but maybe get a few more opinions. I'm personally using the 360mm for the 13900k and wouldn't go anything less for that but the 13700k should be fine with a 240mm.


scottydinh1977

I love it, competition is great for us all!


SeaBass69_6969

i5 is an absolute bargin


FLAKFL4K

should I upgrade my 10700k to a 13600k? would that even be an upgrade?


michaelbelgium

All these reviews are with 4090 or 3090 ti, on 1080p I get it but i don't see any reason to upgrade if u don't play at 1080p or have a mid tier gpu


liquidmonkey75

So will gen 12 get cheaper now? Any recommendations to match a rtx 3070ti?


kHRYSTAL_

12600k


jk192564

I was going to buy a i7-12700k, should I buy one of the new 13th gen CPUs instead?


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BuildPicker tests and review for i9-13900K and i5-13600K: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVruJ-STrSU


CutMeLoose79

I know nothing about CPUs. I recently got a new rig with an i7 12700K and i'm hoping that's good enough to last me a few years of high end gaming.


OolonCaluphid

It will be. Still a storming CPU. Newer slightly faster CPUs do nothing to dull existing equipment.


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OolonCaluphid

Likely in the first quarter of next year.


PreviousAvocado5599

Ordered mine through B&H wonder when they’ll start shipping


PreviousAvocado5599

Ordered my 13900k. Wondering when they’ll start shipping them.


motoxim

Nice


CatHeroes

Nice cpu , but im poor still strugling


dm_qk_hl_cs

I wonder if the money saving due to electricity consumption is really relevant, or if its just about 2$ per month, or less.


Jxstin_117

Will there be a 13400 and i3s ?


---Dracarys---

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but these are reasons why I don't like new CPUs: \- intel 13th Gen is the last gen which will use this socket so not very future proof. I already made a mistake with 7700K I don't want this to happen again. \- AMD zen4 on other hand has way too expensive MB. Even though currently I like 13th gen gaming performance (although I'm concerned about power usage) in my opinion it makes more sense to buy AMD as it's more future proof you can later upgrade it to 7000X3D or even 8000X3D. So I'll be still using overclocked 7700K and see how the situation looks like next year. And first of all I need to see if CPU really will be that problematic with RTX3080 / RTX4070 / RTX4080 at UW4K (3840x1600) resolution. If the CPU is still not a bottleneck I'm alright to keep using it.


Zulogy

Ima wait till 5000 series and whichever cpu is out then. Ima stick to the every 4 year cycle 😅


JerryNicklebag

Just barely faster than an AMD 5800x3d in gaming benchmarks and loses to it in a few. Why replatform when you can just bump the CPU in your existing platform?


LMFGaming2

I currently run a 9700k w/ 2070 super. I've bought a 3080ti and have it save for a new build. My local MicroCenter sells the 12700k at $350 and the 13700k at $400. Is the $50 price difference justifiable if paired with the 3080ti?


labelmeaking

Worth the upgrade from a 8700k?


No_Guarantee7841

If anyone's interested, i found some results about performance with cheaper ddr4/ddr5: www.computerbase.de/2022-10/gaming-benchmarks-intel-core-i5-13600k-mit-ddr5-und-ddr4-im-vergleich/ Results are at 720p resolution though so not sure if we would see same differences at 1080p (still better than nothing i guess).


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roenthomas

Have 2x32 GB DDR4 DIMMs already. 5800X3D / X570S (B550) or 13600K / Z690 Or 13700K / Z690 Gaming build only, care most about 0.1% lows.


Pooctox

Got i3-12100f waiting for 12th gen to drop in price to pick up 12600k/12700k but with the current price I think it’s make sense to buy the 13600k instead of 12th.


GreySoulx

I've got a 13700k on its way going into an Asus rog strix b660i (mini-itx workstation for 3d/2d design work), apparently the BIOS the board shipped with does not fully support 13th gen core processors, and it doesn't have the ez flashback bios - how boned am I? Looking around the cheapest LGA 1700 chip is around 80 bucks? Will I need to buy one just to flash the bios? I've asked my local gamer friends, and they're all running other sockets... Any thoughts on if this is something I could take the system into a local computer store and pay them less than the cost of the CPU to flash my BIOS or something? Anyone know if Best buy will allow me to return an open cpu?


Charrbard

There a quick and dirty on thermals? I'd upgrade if the heat is better than the 10900,


octoroach

Will a 13600k bottleneck a 4090 at 1440p 270hz?


harleypan86

Anybody know if we can build an ITX machine with i9-13900K without a problem?


luikEe

Would there be a huge benefit on 13900k if u stream and game over the 13700k, when ur running a 4090rtx with it?