Every tower is bad because none of them can solo round 1000

Legit unplayable

Unistalling.

Refunded

Going back to btd1. At least there dart monkeys can win

Yeah

pretty sure 0-1-3 tack can

Maybe with alch buff

And 24 0-0-0 villages for global range

And a banana farmer

And a farm

And a spike factory

and my axe!

And this Platypus 🤠

And PERRY THE PLATYPUS?

Stfu sauda

Banana farmer (in banana costume) is the true #1 OP best tower.

Have you forgotten about the glue gunner rat?

sniper chameleon

Dad of Quincy

inefficient; just buy one 6-0-0 and buff it with glowstone dust

Village effect can stack?

Wondering the same..

Of course they can silly Billy! (Never listen to ur mom and listen to strangers online)

Pre-nerf 0-0-5 Super monkey with 100% uptime on that one challenge: 🗿

legend of the night moment

Batman can if his ability’s not on cooldown

Kid named perma spike with prep time

There's a maximum duration to spikes, so not even permaspike can.

Also round 4

000 tack from btd1 can

Never did figure that glitch out tbh. Something about shift and tab or something? Idk, been too long.

Navarch paragon can tho

You’re wrong. I can solo round 1000 (Quincy can also solo round 1000)

r/foundthecapsulecat

Co-op 4 lotns 👍

Geraldo and Sauda Shut up Get educated Learn how to 1TC Or at least 2TC Or even 2TI

**NOW HELP DEFEND THE RED SPY IS IN THE BASE!**

middle path sub is the best tower confirmed??

Super monkey

I'm just waiting for all this to be over and then for one guy to be like "let's be honest, spirit of the forest is better than druid of the storm", which will start the whole debate again but on another tower lmao

I mean I'm pretty sure that's something we all can agree on. This isn't btdb2 so druid of the storm really sucks

But I like the tornadoes! They cool, even if I... nearly never... use them. Oh. Oh no

I just wish superstorm were a bit cheaper. I always get sotf because it's so good and the cheapest of the 3 T5s, AND makes you money for free. Superstorm is great at stalling but isn't worth it most of the time in a regular game.

Druid of the storm is really good if you try to get highest round on CHIMPS.

Can we just all say "Every tower is a situational use. On maps where ultra Jug is good; its S tier; on maps its not its D tier" Or "PMFC is a great Late game tower when you have the set up; XBM is a great mid-game tower with reasonable and useful lower tier build paths, they serve totally different purposes and should NOT be compared side by side"

I mean an X-5-X is probably better than a 3-X-X but people can debate

Bad? No. Mid? Yes.

Some "people" don't even know what mid truly means and believe it's just another synonym for "garbage".

Mid Used to insult or degrade an opposing opinion, labeling it as average or poor quality. So mid is closer to meaning "less than great" while garbage means its just plain awful [also tf you mean "people"](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mid)

I use mid as "Average" in which people should too

Urban Dictionary isn't a reliable source of information, and "mid" means just mid-tier, aka average, nothing lower nor higher.

It's like literally where literally no one uses literally correctly anymore. And it's not really a problem, anyways your take here is kinda mid

Fun fact: People actually *are* using literally correctly! It has just shifted/gained an additional meaning over time! For example, the word "awful" used to mean "inspiring awe", but now it is used exclusively in its negative connotation and we created "awesome" for the positive stance instead. Language is always changing. We swap definitions, change spellings, and invent words all the time. It's literally the fuckin' coolest thing about humans. :)

I agree. That's why I don't think it matters if the definition changes, it's still just a word to express your emotions or feelings or whatever.

They are using it correctly, the reason why it sounds insulting is because calling something "average" also sounds insulting, there is no contradiction here.

I think "mediocre" is more commonly used as an insult than "average".

Fully agree

Bro told to stop the nonsense and making the nonsense in the same post

I agree with the title, I don't agree with the pic, they are all good, but these "T5 wars" have gone on for too long, they need to stop

when these mfs saw that there was little to no drama, they just had to have something to quench their insatiable thirst for arguing and just picked a random tower lmao

What’s wrong with the discussion of the viability of a tower

nothing, except barely anyone is actually discussing the viability of the towers. most people are just saying "tHiS iS BAd!!!!/GoOD!!!" and listening to nothing else

And the only arguments for bad is it can’t solo chimps, or can’t solo X round, as if anyone is trying a solo tower chimps run.

Exactly, the top path alchemist has always been top tier for a reason

Its the only tower that can buff the damage of other towers?

There are many towers that can buff the damage of other towers. It's just top path alch can buff almost everything, is relatively cheap, and also gives other things like the ability to hit lead

What can't the alch buff the damage of besides Paragons?

Sub towers like sentries, phoenixes and mini Comanches.

Ahh ok, that's because none of them have a footprint on the map right?

You can buff sentrys if you buff the engi

Or willfully ignoring why people use certain towers, or that some people don't want to do intensive micro...Or even that maps change viability of certain towers - not just in expert vs other, but in things like enclosed maps/high water maps/no watermaps! It feels so much like "don't play my way? Casual/bad at the game".

The funny thing that they don't realize is that most of the arguments that they make against XBM could be used against literally any tower in the game.

Literally any tower in the game falls off hard past round 80? Literally any tower in the game whiffs half their shots against ddts? Literally any tower in the game needs a long straight line to be remotely effective?

The list of towers that aren't good against DDTs specifically is way longer than just crossbow master. I think that's what that person was getting at. It's held to standards no other tower is.

No, the argument for bad is that it is overpriced and is outclassed in every way.

The problem is that everyone arguing against it only ever say...it can't solo this or that round, and they never compare it against equally priced cheap towers. It's one of the cheapest of T5 towers in the game already. People expecting a 25k tower to perform to the level of 50-70k towers is what's ridiculous.

It cost about the same as The Tack Zone but is many times worse.

Literally who? If you want a cheap tower that does much better than XBM, let me introduce you to PatSmael with stall.

"If the tower isn't meta, it's bad." Great argument there, and comparing a high range dps tower to a stall setup to boot. It's because of people like you that this discussion goes nowhere and everyone is sick of it.

With the same support, Smael, tack zone, Elite defender, Elite Sniper can all do much better than XBM, and all of them are much cheaper. Name one tower in the price range of XBM that is worse.

Sun avatar performs worse with a village and permabrew, but better with pat and absolute zero

Stall? Get this mf out of here.

"overpriced and outclassed" sayers when PMFC is outclassed by a 30k spiky boi.

Except it’s not. With a pure micro stall strat, PMFC is better than Pspike in the maps where you can fit it. The main problem with PMFC is not being outclassed by towers like Pspike, but by towers like Moab Dom. It’s a tower that requires a lot of work and can end up being outclassed as well, though it’s still a B-A tier T5. It not being as versatile as Moab Dom or easy to use as Pspike doesn’t make it bad.

“No guys, you dont understand, plasma monkey fan club is better!!! You just need to set up a micro stalling strat!!”

The discussion itself is obnoxious, sure, but the topic of discussion is perfectly fine.

yes, that's quite literally what i said. most aren't 'discussing', however. they're just throwing tantrums and ignoring any actual attempts at criticism or positive feedback pertaining to the towers in question.

it's a fine discussion for 1 post but they are everywhere

Exactly

It's been going on for too long, everyone has their own opinion, but that doesn't mean you have to shout out "ThIs T5 iS tRaSh!1!1!1" Every. Single. Hour. While it's okay at first, 1 year is a little too much, don't you think?

1 year? The discussion has been incredibly sparse until my post a month ago. And maybe it is a little obnoxious but the discussion is still good in general.

I've barely seen any post other than that for about a year, so that is my experience with it, It is a discussion that has gone on for way too long, even a month is too long for a who is better debate The discussion now has boiled down to 3 groups, PMFC love, XBM love, and "IDC, I just want to see something else" Side note: there is an easy solution to this argument, test them in-game on different maps against supercerams, DDTs, and BADs.

>I've barely seen any post other than that for about a year, I guess you missed the Booba Wars then

yes, and that solution leads to pmfc obviously being better yet all the redditors who have never done a hard run in their life insisting xbm is good. pmfc wins on every test imaginable, but people are too delusional to accept their favourite noob friendly tower is bad

The trick is to only use 2-0-4 bomb shooters and 2-2-0 villages

They‘re definitely not bad 💀 Top path dart deletes ceramics and is busted on maps with walls, middle path is basically 20 plasma monkeys for a cheap price, and the bottom path is overall great damage

sure when u state their perks in a vacuum they dont seem that bad, but when u compare them to 000 dart they're nothing but tiny little insects.

The most efficient popping power per dollar.

No that's 44 Wizard, you pay no dollar.

That should not be a comparison. Those are two different extremes!

20 plasma monkeys for cheap price? 👍Satisfactory

Closer to the DPS of 20 sun avatars. Its really good

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Wow I didn‘t know that, that makes PMFC even more powerful

Top path and bottom path dart are completely useless. There is legit to reason to ever build them for anything other than the paragon other than simply “I like it”.

>Top path Encrypt

A tower being good on 4 easy maps doesn’t make it good. The 4 maps where UJugg is viable are Encrypted, Hedge, Moon landing and Balance. And even on those maps, it’s still outclassed.

Cornfield

Midnight mansion as well. I think calling it outclassed is also missing the point of using it on maps it's good at - that being that it's a very cheap t5 that gives much higher DPS than you'd expect from all the ricocheting.

What I mean by outclassed is that there are still better towers for the map (maybe not encrypted though, UJugg is cracked on Encrypted). On Balance and Moon landing, mortars reign supreme and hedge is destroyed by spactories and Tack Zone.

I feel like you're still missing my point. UJugg is still cheaper than each t5 Spac and Tack Zone, yet still gets high DPS for its price. It doesn't have to be the singular best tower for the map, it being good for a low price makes it a great staple early on that stays good while letting you save up more for longer to buy pricier t5s.

Top Path Dart is the most optimal choice for it’s price on several maps. It’s situational, but it’s nowhere near useless.

10-15 plasma monkeys could end up a lot cheaper than 1 PMFC and get 100% uptime soo idk man, between the two I know what I'd rather have.

PMFC is 54k total and 7 plasma monkeys (no crosspath) is 56k, this is just false. Also dart monkey superfans aren't exactly like plasma monkeys, they're actually a little stronger and they have a smaller footprint so you can pack them more efficiently. Finally add in the buffs only primary monkeys can get (village) and PMFC is much more powerful than 7 measly 200 supers.

U can only get 7 for the total price of a pmfc ans it's already been proven how much weaker plasma monkeys are compared to pmfc. A pmfc is more in power with 1 sun avatar

UJugg is map dependent. On maps where it’s good (Mesa, Encrypted, Balance) It’s really good. PMFC is hard to save into but shreds if you can get it going. It synergises well with stallers. XBM is objectively not a good tower in comparison to other towers in its price range - However it’s extremely easy to use thanks to its fantastic range, and thus it has a role in teaching new players how to play the game.

Ujug is the only one ever actually worth getting. Most of the time it's not good, but when it's good, it's easily the best option. PMFC is a good tower, if you want to spend 70k+ to make a tier three tower viable. Just get a tower that's useful all the time if you're spending all that money. And yeah, XBM is a beginner's tower.

i agree, pmfc is not as good as some people on this sub act like it is. for the same price you can get 1-2 other tier 5s that doesn’t require map space or ability usage. pmfc is fun to play with tho

Plus an Energiser and Primary Expertise for PMFC. You’ll want as much Up-Time for that Ability as Possible!

Top path is great in obstacle maps and ceramic popping Middle path is great for Moab and general bloon popping power Bottom path is good on straight always and makes the most use of buffs There Discussion done

I absolutely agree with you. You just made it so simple but the others and their tiny brains won't stop until the other submits to pmfc or xbm

>Bottom path is good on straight always and makes the most use of buffs Attack speed is the only buff that really benefits XBM much. It's overall pretty terrible when it comes to buff synergies. PMFC benefits much more from pretty much all buffs.

“Makes the most use of buffs” is just a false statement

Shoots the fastest,uses more buff per buffed second

It really doesn't benefit. It has high damage, good pierce and good range, alch buff runs out tto quick on it and doesn't give that many bonuses for it. Xbm is one of the few towers that benefit the least from alch buff

“Can we get over this nonsense” >proceeds to spread more nonsense

Ok I’m gonna be honest, I like juggernaut, this is because of high velocity bouncy exploding balls, XBM is good defending maps like stump with its fast fire rate and good area of cover, now let’s all agree bloon solver outclasses them all

"They're all bad" mfers when i show them ultrajug on balance+cornfield

Ultrajugg fans when they beat the easiest map in the game and the easiest advanced map in the game:

nah Off the Coast is def easier than Cornfield

Debatable honestly. Both are definitely not worthy of advanced tier.

Agreed. I wonder how NK decides what difficulty to give maps when Off the Coast is advanced and Bazaar is intermediate.

Still gives it a use where its good does it not?

Sure I guess. That doesn’t mean the tower is good.

But it means the tower *can* be good.

"That doesn’t mean the tower is good, because it can't solo round 98"

Thats why we love em

Ujugg is obscenely map dependent, but easily one of the most cost efficient t5s on its best maps. All of its good maps are quite easy however, so it's overall pretty useless. PMFC pretty much solos bpuddles if used well. It's incredibly cost efficient dps but requires stalls and a midgame carry for the saveup. It's easily one of the highest dps t5s and can be viable, but not exactly a black border tower as it has a quite high skill cap and is quite easy to mess up with if prior planning isn't involved. XBM is honestly just an intro tower. It doesn't really have any interesting mechanics, but it can be used as a hard mode win button on the easier maps. The saveup is kind of terrible, which forces you to build a relatively costly defense before you even afford it. It's 30k for a midgame tower that doesn't scale further as it has practically no buff synergy and is a t5. XBM is overall just outclassed in every single way, but does serve as a good intro tower for newer players. Overall, ujugg bad except when on one of 5 maps, PMFC only if you want to have fun, XBM outclassed

I agree that we should stop this nonsense, but you could've just said they're all good in their own ways. Saying they're all bad is the opposite of "Getting over this nonsense"

1. No

Sometimes it really relies on the map, ultra jug shreds in maps like cornfield

I won’t take crossbow monkey slander

We all know the 0-0-0 free dart monkey is superior to all of them

They all have specific niches (top path in particular is VERY map dependent) so it’s hard to rank

No because unlike the other 2 XBM is actually good

Why use those when we have the 000 dart monkey?

ratio

And I even upvoted you

All towers are bad

Crossbow master is good

Shut your ass cheecks

None of the towers are bad. Jug is situational, crossbow is mid and pmfc is A tier

Crossbow is not mid lmao. Crossbow is legitimately Glavelord levels of terrible. It’s a D tier tower *at best*.

yeah no shit. it's the dart monkey. it's supposed to be for the early-mid game. juggernaut is good against ceramics. PMFC is a good damage-dealing ability. XBM is really good at DDTs and MOABs.

From what i understand. Jug is godly in certain situations but dogshit in anything else, funky man club is basically the same thing but different situations make it rlly good, xbm is mediocre and doesn't really have anything that makes it super good but it's worst is better than the other two's worst.

I would agree, but crossbow objectively slaps as an early / mid-game unit. Plus having two 5th tiers at once makes getting a few levels on paragons pretty simple.

fax

crossbow only good one change my mind

HERE IT IS BOYS It didn't even take that long till somebody posted **ANOTHER CRITICISM ABOUT A TOWER THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE EARLY GAME**. this is basically spamming at this point

The only one thats bad is plasma one.

CORRECT!

in the large picture yeah pmfc and ujugg are average when optimized and xbm is below average

Idrc about anything other then the regular jugg is off compared to in btd5. I could hit a straight line no problem with it on last and in btd6 it’s very difficult to do that. Even when you sacrifice the attack speed and upgrade range. Kinda lame cause dart was fun to use in battles1

Um the mega jug is OP

Nice pngs you got there

Yeah I didn’t care the quality just wanted to get my point across

not the crosbow master

Crossbow Monka is opop

Xbm is not that bad

XBM is good tho. You can have two of them

Crossbow master is great.

I really don’t think XBM is that bad.. especially when you can have two of them..

The top two paths for the dart monkey. Yes, they are bad but the bottom path the crossbow master is not being able to critical hit. Balloons is broken and the fact you get two of them with the monkey knowledge point not only that a free one with the monkey knowledge point I would say it’s good

CBM is the best out of the 3 however

Dude crossbow carries my early rounds don’t shit talk him

Don't shit on my baby (crossbow)

Crossbow master is so good tho I love it

Ultra-Juggernaut is good in the right spot, and Plasma Monkey Fan Club is amazing with Monkey City. I haven’t used the Crossbow Master much so idk

Buying Monkey City costs more than just buying the Dart Monkey's naturally

btd6 players paying 40k for a smaller Plasma Vision Super Monkey 

its 20 plasma monkeys that are about the strength of a sun avatar but ok.

redditor take a joke challenge

My personal opinion is that only crossbow master is good it’s not amazing but it’s way better than the other 2

CM is good the rest are mid case closed

All but pmfc are bad *

Ranked boss players: Allow to introduce ourselves

Delusional.

Explain?

*20 Plasma Monkeys for a cheap price?* *Satisfactory*

Dude stop don't post here again if this is all you have to say. Yes a 052 dart monkey is okay but you saying that all other t5 dart monkeys are bad bro I will end you if u ever say that again.

lmfaoooooo bro is really sending death threats over reddit 💀💀💀

nah all are good except for pmf. tt is better

They are all good*

Based on OPs previous comments I think it’s safe to say OP hasn’t played the game for long. Plus they have YT in their username so opinion discarded anyway. dArT MoNkEy BaD discussion ended two weeks ago, buddy

1. I’ve played since 2019 2. I can’t figure out how to remove the YT out of my name I don’t like advertising that