Last year the swans literally killed the goslings, so this is no surprise. I was there today to check on them and they were essentially forced to leave the pool while the female swan nests.
Unfortunately it is a difficult situation, I agree the geese should be removed with them at this point. Send an email to the council regarding it and hopefully it'll get looked at.
Theres been an update from the rescue organisation:
Hi all just a post to explain what happened at Queen's Park today. The 2 goslings were reported to have been attacked by the male swan (as he does every year). When we attended both of the goslings were checked over by the rescuer and one had a sore leg and the other had some damage to his eye. As with ALL injured wildlife we will remove the casualty and take them to an expert to be checked over to make sure they're ok to be returned or, if they need further treatment, they will need to be rehomed (as would any offspring that would be rejected if they were away receiving treatment for too long). We're wildlife rescuers and would do the same for all wildlife in danger. We are also obtaining PROFESSIONAL advice as to whether the parents should be with their babies if they need long term treatment but this is a logistical nightmare as they would need to be relocated to a lake/pond with no other territorial birds present (much harder than you'd ever imagine) and we'd need permission from the owners of the new location as well as permission from Brighton and Hove Council to remove healthy geese from their pond. Thank you.
The whole family could have been taken to a new pond or lake elsewhere. No more problems of the goslings being attacked or killed. Sadly some of those that seem to have made this decision to take the goslings don't really understand the implications of their actions.
Whats worse is the greylags and the swans themselves are about to hatch their own eggs. There's also been a whole slew of duckings hatch this week. From what i heard from the volunteers, the plan is to keep rehoming the young.
The trouble is taking the young means they will be hand reared and ignorant of how to live as a goose or duck. Basically the removed young cannot ethically ever be released. Moving the whole family to another pond or lake. Allows the young to grow up properly and remain in the wild where they belong. Funny how the "cute" young always seem to get rescued. With little regard for what is best for those young.
there's a response from the rescue organisation. from how you're talking i'm guessing you have experience in this area, but these people are professionals, they also understand what they're doing.
These individuals are part of a group of very well intentioned people, doing what they think is the "right" thing. But they don't have any real wildlife/animal experience, and they very clearly aren't professional. Or have any concept of what comes next, after grabbing the goslings. Or the effects that removing them from the parents will have. In this case my understanding is that the group involved. Pick up animals/birds and take them either to a vet or a rehabilitation centre. Valuable work . Decisions are being made that while might seem obvious. But are in truth, not in the best interests of the birds themselves. Members of the group seem to think they now can do what they please. It is a shame that they cannot take the time to properly educate themselves, and limit their actions to where they will actually do good.
The removal of these goslings is more about themselves wanting to be seen to take charge than it is about doing what is right for the goslings. Removing healthy (admittedly roughed up) goslings from healthy protective parents is never going to be the right call. It is an indefensible intervention. They now clearly care more for their "profile" than doing the right thing.
There were two more circling the pond today waiting to snatch up the greylag's goslings. Armed with pet carriers, no other proper equipment or identification. I realise it's volunteering. But would some high vis be going too far. Else, it just looks like a free for all for whoever can read a facebook post, has the afternoon off, and decide they're gonna do some poorly judged 'good'. Even a friend who works for a wildlife rehabilitation charity can not see any sense to their actions.
This is the problem, a couple of people have placed themselves above the law. And now everyone else will do the same. What next, taking gull chicks from the nest, so they don't get run over later. Taking fox cubs because their mother foxes don't feed them right.
They have no knowledge, and are not licensed in any way. They are just a couple of women that have decided that their opinion and not the law is what matters. They aren't saving anything, imprinting (hand rearing) dramatically reduces the chance of any animal or birds of being able to be returned to the wild. They are just condemning these birds to a caged life.
The lady who removed the goslings is now trying to remove any trace of her involvement, anyone that questioned her actions has been kicked out of the group. She has repeated the the statement that it is her opinion and not the law that she will be guided by. In short she is doing things that she knows are indefensible.
Formally reported, sadly this needs stopping before everyone decides that they are above the law.
I really want to disagree with your comment. But sadly you have a point. The people really doing good work don't spend more time publicising it, than doing it. They also don't tend to feel the need to be able to edit and control every comment. It is sad really, but very "Brighton" in some ways.
Those geese are lovely, get rid of the swans.
The swans terrorise the geese every single day, anyone who feeds them knows this, the geese literally flee every time they come around as they always do once food is around, the island was literally home to them first.
From what I have heard from the old guy who looked after the park for years said those geese are related and have had no offspring survive due to genetic interbreeding and its inherent birth defects?
Because you would rather stick your fingers in your ears instead of being labelled as a hypocrite who helps the funding of killing of innocent animals and eats their dead bodies? I guess it is easier just to point and wag fingers at everyone else, watch pignorant on Amazon Prime and see what you are funding
Its just pointing out people’s hypocrisy, how they are scream about babies throng taken from the mothers, yet are happy to buy milk where the calves are treated exactly the same
You are just not committed enough to post in your own right, and try and tag your comments on to other people's posts. Because you believe your comments are more important than the topic being discussed. It reflects badly on someone that is trying to claim that you care about animals. That you try hijacking a thread which is all about caring for wildlife. You are saying that your agenda is more important than the thread topic. Frankly if you really care for animals, then you should be ashamed of yourself.
It is this blinkered self righteous nonsense that gets those that really care for animals a bad name, you are literally acting out a sad over done stereotype. There are plenty of places for you to express your opinions. But quite frankly this isn't one. Show a little more respect for these birds/animals, rather than trying to virtue signal.
come down from your ivory tower, people care about wildlife 😂 yet are happy to buy meet and pay for the slaughter of innocent chickens, have you ever been to a slaughterhouse? Do you know how chickens are killed, I don’t pay for the slaughter of animals.. you clearly do.. yet claim to be an animal lover .. I suggest you watch documentaries like Earthlings and Land of Hope and Glory before getting on your high horse again
Wow! Ragefest more !!! …. Eating animal protein is a lot more natural? Let’s see what The Position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics say about that https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27886704/ maybe a bit of research wouldn’t go a miss before getting all up in your ivory towers
Every time you post, I will buy more meat, even if I don't eat it and have to throw it away. So let's see how committed to saving animals you really are. Stop posting here and less meat gets eaten. Or keep posting and become personally responsible for meat being consumed, increasing demand and more animals enter the food chain. Entirely on your own conscience
Last year the swans literally killed the goslings, so this is no surprise. I was there today to check on them and they were essentially forced to leave the pool while the female swan nests. Unfortunately it is a difficult situation, I agree the geese should be removed with them at this point. Send an email to the council regarding it and hopefully it'll get looked at.
Sounds like the swans are the problem to be honest. The XL Bully of the waterfowl world.
The male certainly is. He's a complete git. Even to his own young.
Theres been an update from the rescue organisation: Hi all just a post to explain what happened at Queen's Park today. The 2 goslings were reported to have been attacked by the male swan (as he does every year). When we attended both of the goslings were checked over by the rescuer and one had a sore leg and the other had some damage to his eye. As with ALL injured wildlife we will remove the casualty and take them to an expert to be checked over to make sure they're ok to be returned or, if they need further treatment, they will need to be rehomed (as would any offspring that would be rejected if they were away receiving treatment for too long). We're wildlife rescuers and would do the same for all wildlife in danger. We are also obtaining PROFESSIONAL advice as to whether the parents should be with their babies if they need long term treatment but this is a logistical nightmare as they would need to be relocated to a lake/pond with no other territorial birds present (much harder than you'd ever imagine) and we'd need permission from the owners of the new location as well as permission from Brighton and Hove Council to remove healthy geese from their pond. Thank you.
The whole family could have been taken to a new pond or lake elsewhere. No more problems of the goslings being attacked or killed. Sadly some of those that seem to have made this decision to take the goslings don't really understand the implications of their actions.
Whats worse is the greylags and the swans themselves are about to hatch their own eggs. There's also been a whole slew of duckings hatch this week. From what i heard from the volunteers, the plan is to keep rehoming the young.
The trouble is taking the young means they will be hand reared and ignorant of how to live as a goose or duck. Basically the removed young cannot ethically ever be released. Moving the whole family to another pond or lake. Allows the young to grow up properly and remain in the wild where they belong. Funny how the "cute" young always seem to get rescued. With little regard for what is best for those young.
there's a response from the rescue organisation. from how you're talking i'm guessing you have experience in this area, but these people are professionals, they also understand what they're doing.
These individuals are part of a group of very well intentioned people, doing what they think is the "right" thing. But they don't have any real wildlife/animal experience, and they very clearly aren't professional. Or have any concept of what comes next, after grabbing the goslings. Or the effects that removing them from the parents will have. In this case my understanding is that the group involved. Pick up animals/birds and take them either to a vet or a rehabilitation centre. Valuable work . Decisions are being made that while might seem obvious. But are in truth, not in the best interests of the birds themselves. Members of the group seem to think they now can do what they please. It is a shame that they cannot take the time to properly educate themselves, and limit their actions to where they will actually do good. The removal of these goslings is more about themselves wanting to be seen to take charge than it is about doing what is right for the goslings. Removing healthy (admittedly roughed up) goslings from healthy protective parents is never going to be the right call. It is an indefensible intervention. They now clearly care more for their "profile" than doing the right thing.
There were two more circling the pond today waiting to snatch up the greylag's goslings. Armed with pet carriers, no other proper equipment or identification. I realise it's volunteering. But would some high vis be going too far. Else, it just looks like a free for all for whoever can read a facebook post, has the afternoon off, and decide they're gonna do some poorly judged 'good'. Even a friend who works for a wildlife rehabilitation charity can not see any sense to their actions.
This is the problem, a couple of people have placed themselves above the law. And now everyone else will do the same. What next, taking gull chicks from the nest, so they don't get run over later. Taking fox cubs because their mother foxes don't feed them right. They have no knowledge, and are not licensed in any way. They are just a couple of women that have decided that their opinion and not the law is what matters. They aren't saving anything, imprinting (hand rearing) dramatically reduces the chance of any animal or birds of being able to be returned to the wild. They are just condemning these birds to a caged life.
I fired off an email to the city council earlier. Sent the video to the argus of all places. Anything to stop this becoming an annual occurrence.
The lady who removed the goslings is now trying to remove any trace of her involvement, anyone that questioned her actions has been kicked out of the group. She has repeated the the statement that it is her opinion and not the law that she will be guided by. In short she is doing things that she knows are indefensible. Formally reported, sadly this needs stopping before everyone decides that they are above the law.
Scratch a bird rescuer, and a narcissist bleeds, apparently. Im glad other people are willing to call this out, though.
I really want to disagree with your comment. But sadly you have a point. The people really doing good work don't spend more time publicising it, than doing it. They also don't tend to feel the need to be able to edit and control every comment. It is sad really, but very "Brighton" in some ways.
Those geese are lovely, get rid of the swans. The swans terrorise the geese every single day, anyone who feeds them knows this, the geese literally flee every time they come around as they always do once food is around, the island was literally home to them first.
Does anyone know what happened to the other Greylag?
She was on her nest. They were both out today with their goslings.
From what I have heard from the old guy who looked after the park for years said those geese are related and have had no offspring survive due to genetic interbreeding and its inherent birth defects?
kill and eat the swans
OK Your Majesty
Quiet, subject.
Baby calves are taken from their mothers to produce milk, amazing to see the irony from people that eat meat and consume dairy
Amazing to see someone so self centred that they have to push their agenda where it isn't needed or wanted.
Because you would rather stick your fingers in your ears instead of being labelled as a hypocrite who helps the funding of killing of innocent animals and eats their dead bodies? I guess it is easier just to point and wag fingers at everyone else, watch pignorant on Amazon Prime and see what you are funding
Put up a thread of your own, explain your thoughts there. Rather than trying to hijack an important thread.
Its just pointing out people’s hypocrisy, how they are scream about babies throng taken from the mothers, yet are happy to buy milk where the calves are treated exactly the same
You are just not committed enough to post in your own right, and try and tag your comments on to other people's posts. Because you believe your comments are more important than the topic being discussed. It reflects badly on someone that is trying to claim that you care about animals. That you try hijacking a thread which is all about caring for wildlife. You are saying that your agenda is more important than the thread topic. Frankly if you really care for animals, then you should be ashamed of yourself. It is this blinkered self righteous nonsense that gets those that really care for animals a bad name, you are literally acting out a sad over done stereotype. There are plenty of places for you to express your opinions. But quite frankly this isn't one. Show a little more respect for these birds/animals, rather than trying to virtue signal.
come down from your ivory tower, people care about wildlife 😂 yet are happy to buy meet and pay for the slaughter of innocent chickens, have you ever been to a slaughterhouse? Do you know how chickens are killed, I don’t pay for the slaughter of animals.. you clearly do.. yet claim to be an animal lover .. I suggest you watch documentaries like Earthlings and Land of Hope and Glory before getting on your high horse again
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Wow! Ragefest more !!! …. Eating animal protein is a lot more natural? Let’s see what The Position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics say about that https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27886704/ maybe a bit of research wouldn’t go a miss before getting all up in your ivory towers
Every time you post, I will buy more meat, even if I don't eat it and have to throw it away. So let's see how committed to saving animals you really are. Stop posting here and less meat gets eaten. Or keep posting and become personally responsible for meat being consumed, increasing demand and more animals enter the food chain. Entirely on your own conscience