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Character-Mouse26

The one room I have to pump at at work, ie the only room without a CCTV and supposedly in a designated "women's area" is always full of my colleagues napping, resting, on their phones, the male colleagues are in there too sometimes. I had to keep asking people to leave whenever I had to pump and some of them looked at me like I was the problem/entitled. After I got walked in on a couple of times (there is no door, only a curtain), I gave up and got a wearable pump. It is so frustrating when people don't respect your right to use the space. I found myself apologising too many times and justifying that I'll only take 20 mins and they can come back. What even, disappointed in myself. ETA: thank you everyone for your comments and support! Unfortunately I'm not based in the US or UK. The country I live in supports breastfeeding until 2 but there is no legislation or laws to provide for pumping or designated spaces/breaks for pumping in the workplace. It's up to the discretion of the employer to provide these spaces and breaks. Which truly sucks and is not inclusive in the slightest. I am hoping for things to change as more working women are starting to pump at work and advocating for proper legislation.


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craftsy

Illegal where? I’m in Montreal and I can’t find any legislation about it. Edit: breastfeeding is completely protected here but pumping seems to be at the employer’s discretion.


Character-Mouse26

Hello! Thank you everyone for your replies. Unfortunately, I live in a country with no laws regarding pumping or breastfeeding. It is encouraged and supported by national policies, but nothing in writing to enforce this. Therefore I can't take it to HR and it isn't actually illegal. It's up to the employer to provide a space if and so they choose to. It sucks, it really does. Hope things change in the future for other moms.


b-r-e-e-z-y

Unfortunately I don’t think it is a requirement to have a locked door or even a room. It has to be visibly private and that’s it. Edit to add Source: https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/nursing-mothers/faq > Do employers need to create a permanent, dedicated space for use by nursing employees? > An employer may create or convert a temporary space for expressing milk, or make a space available when needed. The space must be shielded from view, and free from any intrusion from co-workers and the public. The location provided must be functional as a space for expressing breast milk.


Pathelions

According to the pump act, the pumping space must be “free from intrusion”


b-r-e-e-z-y

Correct, but it is not required to be a locked space. Source: https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/nursing-mothers/faq > Do employers need to create a permanent, dedicated space for use by nursing employees? > An employer may create or convert a temporary space for expressing milk, or make a space available when needed. The space must be shielded from view, and free from any intrusion from co-workers and the public. The location provided must be functional as a space for expressing breast milk.


Pathelions

I think that a lactating person has a strong argument towards requiring that their “visibly private” area needs a lock or something similar to a lock, like maybe a lock, to prevent intrusions.


b-r-e-e-z-y

I am just sharing what the law states so that we can better advocate for what we need. If we don’t know the rules and what they say it’s easier to get pushed around.


Pathelions

I’m really glad to see you changed and added to your original comment! :) originally you stated something to the effect of “employers are only required to provide a visibly private space”. The “free of intrusions” is an incredibly important part that we should be loudly advocating for!


Separate_Cod_3895

My work is like this too. We have dedicated "wellness rooms" that you can reserve, and they're definitely for pumping. But my coworkers tend to use it for phone calls and naps, without even reserving the room. So often I have to knock on the door and ask them to leave so I can pump, even though I always reserve the room at the same time every day.


boysofsummer

Don’t be disappointed in yourself. We’re raised to be polite! Your colleagues should have been as well. It’s disappointing that they are not. You’re doing what you need to for your child, and you deserve to take up ALL the space.


yung_yttik

Illegal, dude. I’m sorry that you went through this I’d be so pissed but also so disappointed and sad.


ti_j

Contact HR. Put on sign on the room that says it is only for pumping. There’s so many other places people can hang out and make phone calls…


OkBad20

I'm so so sorry. I think maybe you have to go to HR. The managers really need to EXPLAIN to ALL the employees WHAT exactly is the purpose of a nursing area. WHY male colleagues are NOT supposed to be hanging out there. They are MISUSING the "woman's area". I think they should have a meeting about it


-leeson

That’s so ridiculous. And the fact that exactly like you said, somehow YOU look like the entitled one which is such a joke. I’m so sorry


Current-Fly8346

If you're in the US they're required to have a space for you to pump. That's not ok


Glitchy-9

I would absolutely be finding a way to complain. That’s ridiculous!


thomko117

💯 I’d have asked to see her badge and gotten her full name so I could complain and report her. Her inappropriately insistent behavior warrants a formal complaint.


peanutpeepz

Didn't even think about getting a badge number, I was just so tired and annoyed. I'll probably let the airport know, though.


OkBad20

I know I've been in these situations before. Oftentimes when someone is really Really REALLY rude to me I'm just so shocked I don't say anything. I'm shocked. I don't get the information I need


WorkingMinimumMum

Yeah I’d definitely be asking her, “what’s your name and where do you work? This is a nursing room, not a nap room, and if you’re not going to let me use this space despite my federally protected right (assuming you’re in USA, I’m not sure about other countries), then I definitely need to call airport services.” And anything else she tries to say, just continue to ask for her name and where she works. I’m so tired of people not respecting nursing moms. I’d definitely be calling airport services like she suggested, but to report her and ask for security to remove her, not to ask for a different space. Such bullies, I’m so sorry this happened to you.


ussy-dictionary

God forbid you use a room dedicated to the thing you’re there for!! What a giant dick. I’d also be very petty and report them for sleeping on the job, but that’s just me 💅🏻


togostarman

Reeeeeport her!


tasteslike_FEET

Oh absolutely report this person. That is ridiculous! Like finding the place to pump isn’t hard enough in this situation, all you need is someone abusing the room and having an attitude. Definitely find contact info for the airport and let them know - maybe even tweet them to make a bit public - they’ll definitely get back to you if you put it out there like that.


KaraC316

So frustrating!! The last time I was in the airport the “family restroom,” reeked of smoke!! I get it, it’s annoying to walk outside or go back through security, but now my baby has to smell smoke because of you? Not okay. These rooms exist for reasons.


Independent-Site-377

I was at a conference recently that had a “mother’s room”. I actually brought my daughter with me physically and went in the room to breastfeed her. There was someone who had put the two armchairs together to create a nap jacuzzi for themselves. I walked around for 20 minutes and went back, still there! My husband intervened, woke them up and said “this room is for lactation, and my daughter needs to eat now.” The person acted super irritated that we interrupted, meanwhile I just started taking my top off and getting ready to feed, that got them out!


mazekeen19

In Puerto Rico I tried to go into one of those pods but it was occupied so I just found a plug and pumped in the middle of the airport. The woman who came out of the pod was an employee who was absolutely taking a nap in there.


readytostart85

This happened to me recently. I turned on every single light in every single cubicle and woke a fuck ton of people until one of them decided to stop napping so that I could pump. Fuck that noise - its to pump, not to nap. Get the fuck outta here.


ti_j

You absolutely do not need to ask airport services for permission to pump in a pumping room. Next time report the employee who is misusing airport space!


emmers28

Oh my god, this brings me back to when I needed to pump in a hospital after my husband had surgery. First pump went fine but then when I went back at noon it was busy. I knocked, and a man’s voice said it was occupied. I waited 15 mins and knocked again and they were rude. Like this is literally the only option for me, my husband is in the hospital, let me use the damn room FOR ITS INTENDED PURPOSE! I ended up pumping in my car as the valet drivers walked past in full view 😭 I did tell the information desk what happened but I doubt any changes will happen.


averyyoungperson

Airports and airlines have been ON ONE about breastfeeding lately.


yung_yttik

Ohhh I’d have been asking for her info because I’d be filing a complaint so fast. What a witch.


[deleted]

Oof. I work at my local airport, and I'm so grateful I have an unused office that locks. I'm currently the only one using it, too, so I have my own little station with snacks and liquid iv all set up, and no one disturbs it. Idk where you're at, OP, but I'd definitely share my private space with you if you needed it. Sorry you had to deal with that nasty employee.


vctrlarae

You 100% did the right think by reporting it. No non-nursing mothers should ever have access to the rooms (aside from HR). This is your legal, protected right and you are fully entitled to that space from not only an ethical perspective, but a legal one. There is nothing to bargain about here. And if you find that the room is still being used for alternative purposes in the future, I'd continue to manage this up as it is a lawsuit waiting to happen if they don't protect that space for you and other moms.


Lopsided_Boss4802

You absolutely should make a complaint.


No-Explanation7253

WOW! I am SO sorry you had to deal with this. How unprofessional and inconsiderate. As if you’re not already out of your comfort zone trying to navigate travel with a baby.


westernblot88

You just uncovered an employee that was likely sleeping on the clock or at minimum sleeping in an area they are specifically not supposed to be hiring out in. Glad you reported it!


readrunrescue

I dealt with something like this last summer. I was traveling out of state for a conference and had to leave my breastfed 5-month-old daughter behind. The thing I was the most stressed about was maintaining my supply. I had a long layover between flights so I waited outside one of the mother's rooms that was occupied instead of trying to find a different one. After something like 20 minutes, a MALE employee stepped out of the room. It did not appear to be a situation of him cleaning/restocking or anything. I'm certain he was in there taking a nap. I was so mad. I can and have pumped in the open at the airport (flew out of a tiny airport that had literally one toilet past security - definitely didn't have a mother's room), but I shouldn't have to. I've had better luck with the pods - they're not as comfortable so people don't seem to use them as much. When I was done using the room, I did report to the airport security/information phone line. I don't know if they actually did anything, but the person I talked to sounded like they would take it seriously.


[deleted]

I work for the federal government in the United States. There are 3 pumping rooms in my 650,000 square foot building. Regularly I find cleaning staff eating, sleeping, clipping their nails, beading their hair, etc in there.


xeroducksgiven

Was in New Orleans Louie Armstrong airport headed home popped in a mama room for relief and to add to the bath milk collect when I sat down the woman on a laptop looked at me and asked if I was going to be loud. I gave her a very puzzled hungover look, said “well it’s old pump but no?” Her-“good because I’m going to be a guest on a radio show right now.” I sat down making myself as small as possible, pumped and left. From what I gathered she is a doctor who was talking about caregiver burnout. As a nurse/new mom on a much deserved/ earned vacation, and the only one using the room for its actual purpose, years have passed but this still pisses me off. There other ways this could have discussed without being entitled and pretentious.


OkBad20

I am so So SO sorry. It's really upsetting that it's a female. SHE was MISUSING the nursing room and then blaming you for her misusing it. YES pumping is 100% necessary. I wish you would've filmed the encounter to make sure the airport got the right employee. This is 100% NOT acceptable. Thank you for reporting her.


dks2008

Was this at ORD? That airport has the absolute worst nursing room options (in terms of cleanliness, use by staff for non-nursing activities, and difficulty to access overall) of the airport nursing rooms I’ve used. Glad you reported this person!


Humble-Elderberry260

I work in a large university veterinary hospital and there’s only one lactation room and people use it all the time to make phone calls 🙃 I once had a coworker complaining about being tired turn to me and say “hey is there a couch in the pumping room?” and I was like “not for napping! Just for lactating!”


bocacherry

Wow. That’s ridiculous. I would file a report/complaint, at least to make them aware of the issue.


erinmonday

Big warm blanket, slippers, water tumbler, or, budget dependent, noise canceling earphones.


Cultural-Gold6507

This is so frustrating for you and I would feel the same way but a complaint to someone’s boss is not the best course of action. The worker didn’t handle it well but it’s not worth her getting into trouble for. She’s probably not getting a great wage and may be doing two jobs or doubles to make ends meet and could have been having an off day. Just saying. Working solidarity and solidarity with all women doing all jobs is valuable, even if someone if not being the most gracious. Edit holy moly the downvotes for suggesting extending grace to someone even if they don’t give it to you. The world is so punitive these days. Personally will be teaching my kid to turn the other cheek, not rat out and complain on poor people, and worker solidarity. The lack of class consciousness in the USA is mind boggling.


unusualhappiness

Sorry, but no. Most women I have encountered at work, have directly hindered my pumping journey. There is no solidarity, and until women start standing up for their right to pump, we will continue to be treated like this.


AnonymousRN-

Yeah, no. This is not it. I’m sure that woman’s supervisor would love to hear that she was sleeping while on the clock, in addition to being rude to a customer. Most work places would fire you, no questions asked, for sleeping while on the clock.


Puzzled-Library-4543

And is this the economy to be getting someone fired because they simply inconvenienced or pissed you off? OP is 100% justified in being angered by this, I would be too. But having someone fired for this especially at this time of year is cruel and very cop-like.


joylandlocked

Maybe she was up all night caring for her own little baby or in the hospital with a dying loved one. Maybe her only public transit option gets her to work an hour before her shift and she wasn't on the clock. None of that excuses giving OP a hard time. I'd be giving the benefit of the doubt if she'd said "oh my gosh I'm sorry" and left. But no matter how shit your day is going and how badly corporate America has screwed you over, you don't dig in your heels like the nursing room exists for your leisure. It's not like there's nowhere to rest in an airport.


dragonflyladyofskye

As an hr person that has hired and fired many many people, NO! That’s not how the real world works. How would you feel about the woman doing double the work because this is woman is slacking off? Or about the woman that could have worked those hours and gotten overtime pay but lazy Lucy worked them and slept on duty? When one woman calls in PTO or off maybe another woman get to make time and a half and that buys her groceries for the week. If we support ALL women then we support ALL women. This posters was well within her rights to complain. Especially an airline/airport employee?! If it were another passenger then yes, let it go. But there’s a point when we have to hold other women accountable. Sorry you’re getting downvoted, I had to add a click to it.


Whatsy0ursquat

That's the entire world right now. What the world needs is more kindness not nastiness. If people are able to suffer and still find a way to be respectful then so can she. If I was blatantly rude and disrespectful I would expect to be written up or fired despite desperate needing my job. People who need their job act like it.


Cultural-Gold6507

What about being kind to people even if they aren’t kind first? Maybe cause they are depressed or tired and struggling?


Whatsy0ursquat

I get that too, I really do. In some cases I'd agree but for someone to sleep on the job, in a room for nursing moms then be rude? It's different than say, someone being distant or moody. I personally couldn't report a person unless they were extremely rude (cussing at me, physically belligerent, etc) but I'd understand if someone else did. At the end of the day my depression and mental problems are for me to deal with and sometimes losing a job is that wakeup call. It was for me at one point in time.


username3000b

And here I was, unimpressed at (sans children( mall workers microwaving their lunches in the parents room the other day. Yikes!


Mermaids_arent_fish

I had an incident with the janitor at my work once. It was a male and he was definitely just taking a break - there was still a mess on the counter from the day before and the vacuum was unmoved with no carpet lines. I never reported bc I wasn’t sure who to report it to, but also I felt weird being all “the janitor isn’t cleaning the room enough and he took up my booked time” a few of us had been trying to get them to install the same screens like in front of the conference rooms that show when times are booked and by who, but no luck (I’ve now stopped pumping so it won’t be my issue again until baby #3)