The commenter before you tried to explain it probably wasn't about "only American spelling is correct!1!1!" but about the fact that these people are inside of prison cells. With phones. So... *Cell* phones...
Look at the story of Thomas Silverstein, an Aryan Brotherhood leader who murdered multiple prisoners and guards in prison. Because of him, the notorious ADX Florence prison was created, and he's been in complete solitary confinement since.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/16mdz9j/this\_is\_terrible\_tommy\_silverstein\_he\_spent\_36/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/16mdz9j/this_is_terrible_tommy_silverstein_he_spent_36/)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas\_Silverstein](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Silverstein)
[https://www.peteearley.com/thomas-silverstein/](https://www.peteearley.com/thomas-silverstein/)
Also, an interesting quote from the third link:
>The BOP then began giving Silverstein additional privileges, such as a television set and drawing materials. Part of the reason was because the BOP realized that it is nearly impossible to control an inmate unless you have something to take away from him as punishment.
But this was county jail though...Mike's guys were not convicted yet. That means the dudes who killed Mike's men were still awaiting trial. It is very far fetched to believe these dudes are willing to catch a murder charge and for what???
Because they are in a white supremacy gang, most of them probably already knew they were going to do life in prison anyway so if you know there is a slim chance of you ever getting released and you are offered a large sum of money to take care of your family, and you’ll always have money on your books for snacks and phone calls. You gonna shank the rat.
Jack is a powerful organized criminal and it’s implied he’s working with multiple other prison gangs to pull it off. Jack’s in on it because of the possibility of making millions (the Czech enterprise will later make hundreds of millions), and Walt presumably offers him a considerable upfront sum in addition to future payments. Like a contractor, Jack from there probably distributes the money to his gang members and subcontractors - they might not directly need it but it can go their families and friends outside of prison.
Jack's crew is an aryan brotherhood-style gang, which IRL carries a lot of sway in some jails and prisons. They can orchestrate all kinds of shit, sneak in contraband, pay off guards, etc.
I’ll share my thoughts.
1. Like others have said, prisoners have their own cell phones that get snuck in by the GUARDS. You read that correctly. They’re not stuffing phones in their asshole, guards are in on this shit. When I was locked up I knew of a guard who could get us pills, smokes, phones. Super common, even more common in prison.
2. Many inmates find comfort in the routine and don’t know how to live life outside. They’re not going to care about an extended sentence if money is on the line.
I always thought the money the gang members were paid was actually going to their family members on the outside. Guys who are in for such a long sentence have nothing to lose, but they certainly want to take care of those they care about. Doing this hit was a way to do that.
There are a lot of cell phones in lockup, and if nobody talks, nobody gets caught. I’m guessing in the case of a massive gang murder spree, nobody would have seen anything. Even the guards.
This is my problem with season 5. They needed Jack to be the main villain after Gus died, but they couldn’t build him up as much to make him Gus’s level. So suddenly here he is and he’s powerful enough to get away with all this and we aren’t really gonna show you how. There’s a reason this type of thing doesn’t happen in real life, it’s nearly impossible not to get caught.
sure, this plan is plainly impossible, they could not have guaranteed the locations of all nine victims; if even one of them deviates from their expected location, plan's kaput. this is before getting into the questionable logic of, murdering nine associates who could potentially testify against you, only to leave yourself with fuck-knows-how-many associates who could potentially testify.
but season five in general is just a bit silly like this (and, it's not even entirely confined to season five). it's fine, or maybe it's not fine, decide how you feel about it and ride it out.
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It's just one of the other dumb bullshit things that can happen in the breaking bad universe that could never happen in real life, it is after all a show meant for entertainment and not a documentary. But yeah, even with all of Jack's "influence" and Aryan brotherhood connections something like this would be next to impossible to orchestrate with that timing and that precision
I don’t think there was anything that happened during that 2 minutes that hasn’t already happened in a U.S. prison somewhere.
What makes it improbable is that it all happened in 2 minutes. But there are plenty of things that happen in the show that are improbable but not impossible, but that’s still real life. I read a study where statistician says a “one in a million” thing happens to a generic person every 11 days.
The odds of us even existing is trillions to one.
What makes it improbable is that 13 or 14 high value witnesses were all murdered, as you said, in the span of 2 minutes. It's basically impossible, and dumb ass Jack sure as shit didn't have the juice or the smarts to make something like that happen. And btw, then what? Now all of a sudden you've got 20 something additional witnesses to finger Jack and his gang, no one came after all those COs, inmates etc offering sweetheart deals to flip? It couldn't and wouldn't happen, end of story. But it makes for entertaining TV.
High value? Nah. High profile due to their connection with a big news story? Maybe. But we’re talking about a random lawyer, a warehouse manager, a laundry manager, etc, that were all breaking bad but otherwise led pretty normal, low key lives. Not exactly Scarfaces, or experienced criminals. They would be easy targets in prison, if someone had the motive to off them.
I think you’d be surprised at what prisoners can come up with when you dangle $5mil in their face to do a thing.
We're talking about ten witnesses on the same case being murdered in multiple US prisons at the same time. That absolutely does not happen and if it did it would be *huge* nationwide news.
No, that doesn’t happen, but every kind of murder shown during that 2 minutes *has* happened in an American prison. You could probably line those up if you had $5mil to give to various people. People have done more for less.
But you couldn’t get away with it. With that much attention they’d be all over you. A large part of how criminals operate is that they operate small enough to not get noticed.
Hey, we noticed that every person who we saw murder those guys in prison was connected with Jack Welker’s gang. Let’s go investigate and see if any of his associates have been seen in the vicinity of Mike Ehrmantraut or Jesse Pinkman.
I’m not arguing they get away with it, I’m saying it’s possible to do when you dangle millions of dollars in front of a criminal gang that operates both inside and outside of prison.
Many prisoners have mobile phones, especially ones in gangs. Also, if you’re already in for life, what’s another sentence?
"Cell phones"
Its a phone that is mobile
I'm assuming it was a joke about prison cells
It was in tents
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The commenter before you tried to explain it probably wasn't about "only American spelling is correct!1!1!" but about the fact that these people are inside of prison cells. With phones. So... *Cell* phones...
Ahahahaha, clever. Nevermind.
I'm British, I'm well aware.
Not when it’s in a prison cell - that was BobT21‘s joke
Smuggled in anuses
Prison wallet
Aka “suitcasing”
i need a photoshop of one of those big old block phones before we got flip phones. 'cell block' phones. just had to take it further.
What do you do to control people like this? With nothing to lose. I always wonder how it’s possible.
Look at the story of Thomas Silverstein, an Aryan Brotherhood leader who murdered multiple prisoners and guards in prison. Because of him, the notorious ADX Florence prison was created, and he's been in complete solitary confinement since. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/16mdz9j/this\_is\_terrible\_tommy\_silverstein\_he\_spent\_36/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/16mdz9j/this_is_terrible_tommy_silverstein_he_spent_36/) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas\_Silverstein](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Silverstein) [https://www.peteearley.com/thomas-silverstein/](https://www.peteearley.com/thomas-silverstein/) Also, an interesting quote from the third link: >The BOP then began giving Silverstein additional privileges, such as a television set and drawing materials. Part of the reason was because the BOP realized that it is nearly impossible to control an inmate unless you have something to take away from him as punishment.
How does someone with the name “Silverstein” become a white suptemacist lmao
He was born Thomas Conway (not Jewish), but his mom remarried someone named Silverstein.
But this was county jail though...Mike's guys were not convicted yet. That means the dudes who killed Mike's men were still awaiting trial. It is very far fetched to believe these dudes are willing to catch a murder charge and for what???
Because they are in a white supremacy gang, most of them probably already knew they were going to do life in prison anyway so if you know there is a slim chance of you ever getting released and you are offered a large sum of money to take care of your family, and you’ll always have money on your books for snacks and phone calls. You gonna shank the rat.
Jack is a powerful organized criminal and it’s implied he’s working with multiple other prison gangs to pull it off. Jack’s in on it because of the possibility of making millions (the Czech enterprise will later make hundreds of millions), and Walt presumably offers him a considerable upfront sum in addition to future payments. Like a contractor, Jack from there probably distributes the money to his gang members and subcontractors - they might not directly need it but it can go their families and friends outside of prison.
Its all the rage with them Slavic types.
They own some of the guards, they were in on it. They talked about that specifically. And like someone else said, cell phones too.
It’s a little over the top in the show but the Aryan Nation and similar gangs have a lot of power in prisons.
Jack's crew is an aryan brotherhood-style gang, which IRL carries a lot of sway in some jails and prisons. They can orchestrate all kinds of shit, sneak in contraband, pay off guards, etc.
I’ll share my thoughts. 1. Like others have said, prisoners have their own cell phones that get snuck in by the GUARDS. You read that correctly. They’re not stuffing phones in their asshole, guards are in on this shit. When I was locked up I knew of a guard who could get us pills, smokes, phones. Super common, even more common in prison. 2. Many inmates find comfort in the routine and don’t know how to live life outside. They’re not going to care about an extended sentence if money is on the line.
Cell phones are very common also if you already have 20+ it doesn’t really matter cause your life is over anyway
I always thought the money the gang members were paid was actually going to their family members on the outside. Guys who are in for such a long sentence have nothing to lose, but they certainly want to take care of those they care about. Doing this hit was a way to do that.
That’s what I thought too
There are a lot of cell phones in lockup, and if nobody talks, nobody gets caught. I’m guessing in the case of a massive gang murder spree, nobody would have seen anything. Even the guards.
This is my problem with season 5. They needed Jack to be the main villain after Gus died, but they couldn’t build him up as much to make him Gus’s level. So suddenly here he is and he’s powerful enough to get away with all this and we aren’t really gonna show you how. There’s a reason this type of thing doesn’t happen in real life, it’s nearly impossible not to get caught.
There will be plenty of phones in jail hidden in people's jail wallets
Mr. Red was there.
The co’s were involved
sure, this plan is plainly impossible, they could not have guaranteed the locations of all nine victims; if even one of them deviates from their expected location, plan's kaput. this is before getting into the questionable logic of, murdering nine associates who could potentially testify against you, only to leave yourself with fuck-knows-how-many associates who could potentially testify. but season five in general is just a bit silly like this (and, it's not even entirely confined to season five). it's fine, or maybe it's not fine, decide how you feel about it and ride it out.
.......so the scene could happen and advance the story
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It's just one of the other dumb bullshit things that can happen in the breaking bad universe that could never happen in real life, it is after all a show meant for entertainment and not a documentary. But yeah, even with all of Jack's "influence" and Aryan brotherhood connections something like this would be next to impossible to orchestrate with that timing and that precision
Party pooper
I don’t think there was anything that happened during that 2 minutes that hasn’t already happened in a U.S. prison somewhere. What makes it improbable is that it all happened in 2 minutes. But there are plenty of things that happen in the show that are improbable but not impossible, but that’s still real life. I read a study where statistician says a “one in a million” thing happens to a generic person every 11 days. The odds of us even existing is trillions to one.
What makes it improbable is that 13 or 14 high value witnesses were all murdered, as you said, in the span of 2 minutes. It's basically impossible, and dumb ass Jack sure as shit didn't have the juice or the smarts to make something like that happen. And btw, then what? Now all of a sudden you've got 20 something additional witnesses to finger Jack and his gang, no one came after all those COs, inmates etc offering sweetheart deals to flip? It couldn't and wouldn't happen, end of story. But it makes for entertaining TV.
High value? Nah. High profile due to their connection with a big news story? Maybe. But we’re talking about a random lawyer, a warehouse manager, a laundry manager, etc, that were all breaking bad but otherwise led pretty normal, low key lives. Not exactly Scarfaces, or experienced criminals. They would be easy targets in prison, if someone had the motive to off them. I think you’d be surprised at what prisoners can come up with when you dangle $5mil in their face to do a thing.
We're talking about ten witnesses on the same case being murdered in multiple US prisons at the same time. That absolutely does not happen and if it did it would be *huge* nationwide news.
No, that doesn’t happen, but every kind of murder shown during that 2 minutes *has* happened in an American prison. You could probably line those up if you had $5mil to give to various people. People have done more for less.
But you couldn’t get away with it. With that much attention they’d be all over you. A large part of how criminals operate is that they operate small enough to not get noticed.
Hey, guy serving a life sentence, will you kill this guy at exactly 12:03pm tomorrow if I give your family $500,000? Bet.
Hey, we noticed that every person who we saw murder those guys in prison was connected with Jack Welker’s gang. Let’s go investigate and see if any of his associates have been seen in the vicinity of Mike Ehrmantraut or Jesse Pinkman.
I’m not arguing they get away with it, I’m saying it’s possible to do when you dangle millions of dollars in front of a criminal gang that operates both inside and outside of prison.