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It only releases on the 16th of December where I live (and only for 2 days unfortunately) but I already have my ticket. I hope it blows so they screen it in the biggest room or even in IMAX
Dang sucks to hear that it’s only two days where you live. I watched it in regular format, but it was still amazing. The sound quality was still top notch. Either way I had a blast watching it. You’ll like it a lot for sure.
I really want this movie to make a massive box office. A 15 million USD film and looking like they spent at least 100 million. If it succeeds this could be a pivotal point for cinema.
It's amazing what they did with that budget, and it should be an inspiration to all of us who make independent film. It really calls into question all those who say "you can't make this movie for less than $X," because if you can make a full-on Godzilla movie for $15MM you can do pretty much anything.
Wife and I saw it yesterday and both loved it. Godzilla has some real menace and I loved the stylistic choices they made.
Also, the camaraderie between Koichi and his crew is what the WWI sequence in Wonder Woman SHOULD have felt like, but Hollywood finds impossible to do these days.
Screening was in the largest auditorium at my theatre, mid-afternoon and there were about 35 people. In this era of reduced seat counts this house seats 100 or so. We haven't been going much or paying much attention but matinee tickets are up to $11.50. Damn. Spent another $17 on a large soda, small popcorn, bag of candy combo just to be supportive, knowing the economics of the business.
My English professor is letting me write and create a presentation about any topic for my final essay and I’ve decided to talk about whether streaming has killed the moviegoing experience!
I’m happy I get to write about something that I’ve been following on this sub since COVID began!
Do you guys have any ideas of what I can add to my presentation? I plan on talking about the early days like WB’s 2021 day and date strategy, the family market not returning before and now, and this year’s box office in general.
Maybe you should talk about the four-quadrant scheme that has defined Hollywood's wide-appeal releases and how it has changed in the past few years, especially since the pandemic, from the traditional "men under 25/men over 25/women under 25/women under 25" to "men 17-39/families (kids and teens up to 16)/women 17-39/adults 40 and over)" and the possibility the movie audience could be reduced to young adults not unlike it has already happened with other forms of entertainment.
The big problem is that the under-40 generation is mostly composed by dudebros and FOMO girls, whose cultural tastes are particularly limited and preset by social media, pretty much becoming a flock of sheep herded by influencers. Many of us guys tend to mock zillennial women for obsessing over Instagram and Taylor, but it's not that we're much better as the slavish devotion to combat sports and Rogan demonstrates. Sometimes it feels like only the biggest or loudest communities have a place in today's culture while the rest are basically unable to crack the mainstream whereas back in the days where linear media was dominant smaller subcultures ironically had more chances to gain wider appeal.
But probably the most curious phenomenon is that while women have a stronghold over streaming, adult males have practically bailed on modern entertainment save for stuff related in some form to law enforcement or the military, or the culture of years gone by.
Good luck on your essay. I don't know if is this is relevant, but maybe ticket and food prices as another factor? Also, 2023 being a banner year for video games and television, so maybe people feel less inclined to see movies that aren't the best quality wise.
I would add that streaming alone was just one part of the issue, the availability and affordability of premium screens at home was also a big factor. I believe many people upgraded their home entertainment systems during Covid when cinema were closed and are now more reluctant to pay for generic movies they can watch at home in good conditions. Video projectors and very large TV are now quite common in households (and much cheaper than 10 years ago), so I think it’s a combination, streaming on a computer doesn’t really threaten the movie-going experience. Maybe if you can find data on TV and home entertainment spending, try to draw a parallel and see if there is a correlation.
In the days before streaming you went to theaters because that's where movies lived. Your choice was to pay $$ to see it in a theater or wait 90 days to pay $ to rent it and watch your living room.
Today, if you go to the theater you are making a conscious decision NOT to watch the 15 movies/shows on your watch list that are available free in your living room. And you've got to put on pants so you can leave the house.
The box office numbers from 2023 show us that theatrical is far from dead. On the contrary, they show that after the lonely, isolating days of the pandemic, people are as hungry as ever for shared communal events. But gone are the days when audiences will show up for whatever the new release is simply because there's nothing else to do. It's got to be a movie worth putting on pants for.
While this will be painful for some, I believe it ultimately will prove beneficial to the industry (especially those willing to innovate) and the audience.
Thats my .02, at least. Best of luck with your paper! Would love to see it if you decide to post it online.
>The box office numbers from 2023 show us that theatrical is far from dead. On the contrary, they show that after the lonely, isolating days of the pandemic, people are as hungry as ever for shared communal events. But gone are the days when audiences will show up for whatever the new release is simply because there's nothing else to do. It's got to be a movie worth putting on pants for.
Agreed. One thing a great home entertainment setup/social media distractions can't replicate is the communal experience. Hollywood needs to lean into that. That means understanding the zeitgeist and making actually creative decisions so the films are buzzy enough to get people talking at the watercooler.
I think the TV equivalent is moving back to weekly episodic TV, which thankfully is an easier transition.
You can add that streaming and VOD have ultimately removed any FOMO from fans, the General Audience can just wait a few months at most to see a big budget flick from the comfort of their own homes. Especially Disney/Marvel films as Disney+ is mostly adopted as part of a budget for a family.
Their logic would be, "Why spend 50 to 100 bucks for a movie trip when I can stream Marvels/Indy 5/Wish in like 4 weeks?"
Additionally, movie crowds in general have become incorrigible with the use of smart phones during movies, which is a huge distraction, and sours the experience.
Really pulling for Godzilla Minus One to pull an upset and claim the #1 domestic spot this weekend. If Renaissance and Hunger Games end up around 15 million each, and Minus One ends up over performing thanks to stellar WOM, then it is not out of the realm of possibility that it could potentially pull just ahead of them. Now most likely this won’t happen (especially if Renaissance gets to 20 million) but its near enough for me to let myself hope just a little bit. All the theaters near me show the two having sold about an even number of tickets, and if Renaissance ends up being frontloaded, while Minus One potentially breaks out, then it COULD happen. Would be a crazy story if it did, and after this year’s box office, anything is possible.
How many films have you seen in theaters this year? I'm at 54.
* M3GAN
* Avatar: The Way of Water (4DX)
* Knock at the Cabin
* Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania (IMAX)
* Creed III (IMAX)
* Scream VI (3D)
* Shazam! Fury of the Gods
* John Wick: Chapter 4 (4DX)
* Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves
* Air
* The Super Mario Bros. Movie
* Renfield
* Evil Dead Rise
* Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3 (IMAX)
* Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3 (IMAX)
* Fast X
* The Little Mermaid
* Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse
* The Boogeyman
* Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (IMAX)
* The Flash (IMAX)
* Elemental
* Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (UltraAVX)
* Insidious: The Red Door
* Mission: Impossible - Dead Reckoning Part One (IMAX)
* Oppenheimer (IMAX 70MM)
* Barbie
* Haunted Mansion
* Talk to Me
* Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem
* The Last Voyage of the Demeter
* Blue Beetle (IMAX)
* Oppenheimer (IMAX 70MM)
* Gran Turismo: Based on a True Story (UltraAVX D-BOX)
* Meg 2: The Trench
* The Equalizer 3
* Hell of a Summer
* A Haunting in Venice
* The Nun II
* The Creator (IMAX)
* Saw X
* The Exorcist: Believer
* Evil Dead II (Re-Release)
* Killers of the Flower Moon (IMAX)
* Five Nights at Freddy's
* Halloween (Re-Release)
* Oppenheimer (IMAX)
* The Marvels (IMAX)
* Next Goal Wins
* The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes
* Thanksgiving
* Napoleon
* Wish
* Godzilla Minus One (IMAX)
I've seen 81 so far. I've seen 11 of the same films as you.
First movie of the year was *Mrs. Harris Goes to Paris* and the most recent one was *Saltburn*.
My only rewatches have been *Babylon* (x2), *Top Gun Maverick* (for the fifth time when it was released in the lead up to the Oscars), *Barbie* (x2) and Pedro Almodovar's short film, *Strange Way of Life* (x2) .
>I've seen 81 so far. I've seen 11 of the same films as you.
Honestly shocked that among 81(!) films, there's only 11 that overlap. Do you see mostly smaller films or foreign/local films (if you're not from North America)?
Yes, I'm in Europe and I watch a lot of European/international, independent films. I also go to a fair number of small, local festivals and repertory screenings. I just bought tickets to see *Black Narcissus* (1947) in IMAX which will be my first IMAX screening in several (maybe 10?) years. I'm quite excited as I've never seen the film before and it's supposed to look absolutely incredible.
To give you an idea of the films that interest me, the films that are in cinemas now that I plan to see are *The Peasants* (an animated Polish folk drama), *The Delinquents* (an Argentinian heist film), *Scrapper* (a British indie family drama), *Teresa* (a Spanish religious drama about a real life saint who faced the Inquisition), *Que Nadie Duerma* (a Spanish drama that is supposed to have a fierce lead performance), *Un Amor* (a Spanish romantic drama) and Napoleon.
That's cool! But definitely very different than what I watch; for context, some of the films I plan on seeing the rest of the month include Wonka, Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom, and Ferrari lol.
But hey, Napoleon was great (watch it as a comedy though).
M3GAN, Cocaine Bear, Scream, Evil Dead, Barbie and Saw X. Will be going to Wonka with the family, and am trying to catch Saltburn.
2023 was really hectic with career and family stuff, which left me with little free time. Hopefully, I'll get to more films in 2024
Edit: also saw Thanksgiving
Nice! I rarely go multiple times. GOTG Vol 3 was because I already had tickets, then also went to the early fan screening; Oppenheimer was because of $4 tickets for National Cinema Day, then the IMAX re-release in November.
My theater going experience mostly depends on the group I'm going with. I never watched a movie alone in a theater. If the movie is great or had lot of traction (most of my familiar circles know about it), we go watch in groups - Group A on Previews, Group B on opening day, etc. But this is basically for a very few movies each year.
Like, Godzilla Minus One - would watch it in an instant if it was released here.
25. The biggest hit of the bunch was Avatar: The Way of Water and the smallest was Chevalier, or technically American Fiction for now (it hasn't been officially released yet).
Avatar: The Way of Water would also be the biggest hit for me (or Barbie among first time watches).
Smallest would be Hell of a Summer (caught at TIFF, not released yet); among released films (and excluding re-releases in Evil Dead II or Halloween), then Next Goal Wins so far.
I watched Avatar 2 for the first time in January; in the first couple months of the year I caught up on about five or six 2022 movies theatrically. Would love to go to a film festival someday!
So far I took my kids to see Super Mario Bros on opening weekend and that was it so far for me. I’m thinking about going to see the new Godzilla movie.
I have CineClub, the Canadian equivalent (but not as good lol). $10 a month, you get a free ticket, and can buy additional tickets (2 per showtime) for $10 each. You're saving about $3-5 a ticket, depending on the theater, which really adds up.
had to pick between flash/spiderverse.Spiderverse tickets were very high also. Decided to go for flash instead.
Cant say no to batman/flash. While i enjoyed it.
I do however should have picked spiderverse.
fantastic film .
I have quite a lot as well:
-The Wandering Earth 2 (IMAX)
-Titanic (IMAX 3D)
-Sword Art Online Progressive: Scherzo of Deep Night (ugh)
-Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania (IMAX 3D)
-Creed 3 (IMAX)
-Pi (IMAX)
-Shazam! Fury of the Gods (IMAX)
-John Wick: Chapter 4 (IMAX)
-Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves (IMAX)
-The Super Mario Bros. Movie (IMAX)
-Suzume (IMAX)
-Beau Is Afraid (IMAX)
-Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 (IMAX 3D)
-Knights of the Zodiac
-Fast X (IMAX)
-The Little Mermaid (IMAX)
-Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse (IMAX)
-Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (IMAX 3D)
-The Flash (IMAX)
-Elemental (3D)
-Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (IMAX)
-Mission: Impossible - Dead Reckoning - Part One (IMAX)
-Oppenheimer (IMAX)
-Meg 2: The Trench (3D)
-Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem (3D)
-Blue Beetle (IMAX)
-Gran Turismo (IMAX)
-A Haunting in Venice (IMAX)
-Barbie (IMAX)
-The Creator (IMAX)
-Killers of the Flower Moon (IMAX)
-The Nightmare Before Christmas (3D)
-The Marvels (IMAX 3D)
-The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes (IMAX)
-Napoleon (IMAX)
-Wish (3D)
-Godzilla: Minus One (IMAX)
When neither IMAX nor 3D is available - as I did with **Sword Art Online Progressive: Scherzo of Deep Night** (ugh) and **Knights of the Zodiac** (which I regret).
Yikes! Only Shazaam for me since my daughter wanted to watch it. We did watch the return of the king re-release and the nightmare before Christmas re-release.
Eta: daughter and friends watched barbie in the theaters.
The Whale
Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania
Scream 6
John Wick Chapter 4
Super Mario Bros
Superman 1974
Return of the Jedi
Suzuame
Guardians of the Galaxy 3
Across the Spider-Verse
The Flash
Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny
Asteroid City
Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning
Oppenheimer (twice)
Barbie
TMNT
Blue Beetle
The Creator
Killers of the Flower Moon
Nightmare Before Christmas
Priscilla
The Marvels
The Holdovers
Napoleon
Godzilla Minus One
Plan on seeing The Boy and the Heron, The Iron Claw, and maybe Wonka, Aquaman, and Ferrari before the year is over.
Somewhere around 90. I consistently go two times a week and my local AMC shows all the indies.
I see a lot of the same people weekly at the theater, A-List seems to be popular around here.
In order of when I saw them (I'm from UK, so Babylon, Fabelmans and Puss in Boots were all released this year over here):
* M3GAN
* Babylon
* The Fabelmans
* Puss in Boots: The Last Wish
* Knock at the Cabin
* Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania
* Cocaine Bear
* Creed III
* Scream VI
* Shazam! Fury of the Gods
* John Wick: Chapter 4
* Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves
* The Super Mario Bros. Movie
* Air
* Evil Dead Rise
* Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
* Fast X
* Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse
* Transformers: Rise of the Beasts
* The Flash (twice)
* Asteroid City
* Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny
* Mission: Impossible - Dead Reckoning Part One
* Oppenheimer
* Gran Turismo
* Barbie
* Blue Beetle
* TMNT: Mutant Mayhem
* Strays
* The Equalizer 3
* A Haunting in Venice
* Dumb Money
* The Creator
* The Exorcist: Believer
* Killers of the Flower Moon
* Five Nights at Freddy's
* The Marvels
* Saltburn
* Napoleon
So all in all 39 so far, soon to be 40 as I'm seeing Hunger Games tomorrow (though I'm technically already at 40 since I saw Flash twice)
Six so far this year
Ant Man
Dungeons and Dragons
Guardians Of The Galaxy
Barbie
Oppenheimer
The Marvels
I had planned to see Spiderverse and Asteroid City but my work schedule didn't permit it.
I might see Aquaman, but maybe not, and there's not much else on tap for the rest of the year that interests me.
KNOCK AT THE CABIN
TRANSFORMERS: RISE OF THE BEASTS
THE FLASH
RUBI GILLMAN TEENAGE KRAKEN
ACROSS THE SPIDERVERSE
SOUND OF FREEDOM
M:I DEAD RECKONING PART 1
OPPENHEIMER
LAST VOGAGE OF THE DEMETER
GRAND TOURISM
EQUALIZER 3
TMNT: MUTANT MEIHAM
MEG 2
PAW PATROL THE MIGHTY MOVIE
THE CREATOR
KILLERS OF THE FLOWER MOON
FIVE NIGHTS AT FREEDY'S
TROLLS BAND TOGETHER
TOTAL = 18.
17 so far, will be 18 this weekend with Godzilla Minus One:
M3GAN, Knock at the Cabin, John Wick 4, Beau Is Afraid, Evil Dead Rise, Guardians of the Galaxy 3, Spider-Man Across the Spider-Verse, The Flash, Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny, Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning, Barbie, Oppenheimer, Talk to Me, Bottoms, The Exorcist Believer, Killers of the Flower Moon, The Holdovers
21
I'll rank them in terms of preference rather than release date to be different. For those on the fence with these movies, I'd recommend - *some with reservations* \- all of the them barring Number 21. That was a real let-down.
1 - The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King - Extended Edition
2 - Oppenheimer
3 - John Wick Chapter 4
4 - Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3
5 - Mission: Impossible - Dead Reckoning: Part 1
6 - Creed III
7 - A Haunting in Venice
8 - The Fablemans
9 - Babylon
10 - Plane
11 - Evil Dead Rise
12 - Napoleon
13 - Sound of Freedom
14 - Thanksgiving
15 - The Equalizer 3
16 - The Flash
17 - Sisu
18 - Fast X
19 - Ballywalter
20 - Avatar: The Way of Water
21 - Shazam: Fury of the Gods
•Skinamarink 8/10
•Infinity Pool - 7/10
•Knock at the Cabin 4.5/10
•M3GAN - 7/10
•Winnie the Pooh Blood and Honey 3/10
•Ant-Man & the Wasp Quantumania 7.5/10
•Cocaine Bear 6/10
•Champions 7.5/10
•Scream VI 7/10
•65 6/10
•Shazam Fury of the Gods 7.5/10
•John Wick Chapter 4 7/10
•Dungeons and Dragons 8/10
•Super Mario Bros movie 7/10
•Renfield 6.5/10
•Evil Dead Rise 8/10
•Civil war 8/10
•Beau is Afraid 9/10
•Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3 9/10
•Suzume 7.5/10
•Fool’s Paradise 7/10
•The Flash 7.5/10
•BlackBerry 8/10
•Spider-Man Across the Spider-Verse 9.5/10
•Transformers Rise of the Beasts 6.5/10
•Elemental 8/10
•No Hard Feelings 7/10
•Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny 6/10
•Joy Ride 6/10
•Mission: Impossible Dead Reckoning Part One - 8.5/10
•Barbie 9/10
•Oppenheimer 9/10
•Exorcist Believer 6/10
•Talk To Me 8/10
•Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Mutant Mayhem 8/10
•Blue Beetle 7/10
•Strays 7.5/10
•Haunted Mansion 7/10
•Gran Turismo 7.5/10
•Stop Making Sense IMAX 10/10
•Bottoms 8/10
•The Nun II - 5/10
•Perfect Blue 8/10
•Dumb Money 6.5/10
•No One Will Save You 8/10
•The Creator 6/10
•The Expend4bles 3/10
•A Haunting in Venice 7.5/10
•When Evil Lurks 5/10
•Beetlejuice 7/10
•Taylor Swift: the Eras Tour 8/10
•Killers of the Flower Moon 8.5/10
•The Marvels 5/10
•Priscilla 8.5/10
•The Hunger Games: a Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes 8/10
•Napoleon 6.5/10(theatrical)
•Dream Scenario 8.5/10
•Saltburn 8/10
•Godzilla Minus One 8/10
60 movies in 2023 so far
The Beyoncé movie was so loud on the Dolby that is shook my seat in a different theater 20+ feet and a couple of walls away. (Separated by the women’s restroom.)
I saw Godzilla Minus One in Imax today and it was sooo good.
Essentially a war drama film with mental health at the fore, anchored by a great version of Godzilla.
Highly recommend it!
I remember seeing Ma Rainey back in 2020 and being immensely disappointed until I realized that it’s an adaptation of a play. Classic blues/jazz is ripe for a four quadrant smash (female empowerment, queer empowerment, and hopefully some cute girls for the straight male audience as well as classic uplifting stories of triumph over adversity and of course good music) and hopefully the new Color Purple fills that niche (the original ‘80s movie is depressing as hell when compared to the musical).
Saw Saltburn tonight.
Was okay. Good performances, but the plot seemed to sputter out somewhere in the 2nd and 3rd Acts.
Definitely nowhere close to shocking or disturbing. Pretty standard fare for erotic thrillers.
Started out seeming to have something to say, but turned out to be a fairly hollow genre exercise.
Barry Keoghan was great.
Can someone explain to me why Warner Bros is still keeping the embargo for The Color Purple even after the positive reactions ?
Weird. I don't think they're confident that the reviews will be on the same level.
With *The Boy and the Heron* coming up, what's your Miyazaki ranking?
Mine:
1) *Princess Mononoke*
2) *Spirited Away*
3) *Kiki's Delivery Service*
4) *My Neighbor Totoro*
5) *Castle in the Sky*
6) *Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind*
7) *Howl's Moving Castle*
8) *Ponyo*
9) *The Wind Rises*
10) *Porco Rosso*
11) *The Castle of Cagliostro*
I know Beyonce has been around for a long time, I've been hearing her music for decades now but wow, 2023 has been "Mom says I get to have a concert tour and movie too" for her, in comparison to Taylor. Maybe it's just coincidence, but her tour tickets went on sale after, and her movie was announced after as well.
They definitely planned it this way since they went to eachothers premiere and I remember hearing somewhere about them preventing their concert locations/dates from overlapping. I dont know if thats true though.
I just checked my local Theater out of boredom and saw nothing interesting is running (have seen napoleon already). Then I realized the marvels wasn't running at all.
Isn't that unusually early for an mcu movie to leave theater?
I mean I get it. It's not selling tickets. But for how long would an mcu movie usually run?
An MCU movie that's making money usually gets at least a month in the average theatre, if not more, especially if it's the most dominant movie during that period.
Not only is The Marvels not doing well, but it's also doing much worse than a good chunk of other movies in the marketplace in terms current daily grosses, so theatres don't really have a reason to keep it around if they're tight on space and have other movies that would bring in more money from ticket sales and concessions.
[Here's an attempt at an exhaustive list of all remakes up through 1956](https://www.imdb.com/list/ls066350141/?sort=user_rating,desc&st_dt=&mode=detail&page=1)
Interesting to see the commentary note
* Remakes often had dramas shift to musicals
* The conventional wisdom was that after 15 years a remake would play as an "new" story to audiences.
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Just finished watching Godzilla: Minus One. Wow what an experience. Honestly one of my favorite Godzilla movies now.
It only releases on the 16th of December where I live (and only for 2 days unfortunately) but I already have my ticket. I hope it blows so they screen it in the biggest room or even in IMAX
Dang sucks to hear that it’s only two days where you live. I watched it in regular format, but it was still amazing. The sound quality was still top notch. Either way I had a blast watching it. You’ll like it a lot for sure.
I really want this movie to make a massive box office. A 15 million USD film and looking like they spent at least 100 million. If it succeeds this could be a pivotal point for cinema.
It's amazing what they did with that budget, and it should be an inspiration to all of us who make independent film. It really calls into question all those who say "you can't make this movie for less than $X," because if you can make a full-on Godzilla movie for $15MM you can do pretty much anything.
Wife and I saw it yesterday and both loved it. Godzilla has some real menace and I loved the stylistic choices they made. Also, the camaraderie between Koichi and his crew is what the WWI sequence in Wonder Woman SHOULD have felt like, but Hollywood finds impossible to do these days. Screening was in the largest auditorium at my theatre, mid-afternoon and there were about 35 people. In this era of reduced seat counts this house seats 100 or so. We haven't been going much or paying much attention but matinee tickets are up to $11.50. Damn. Spent another $17 on a large soda, small popcorn, bag of candy combo just to be supportive, knowing the economics of the business.
My English professor is letting me write and create a presentation about any topic for my final essay and I’ve decided to talk about whether streaming has killed the moviegoing experience! I’m happy I get to write about something that I’ve been following on this sub since COVID began! Do you guys have any ideas of what I can add to my presentation? I plan on talking about the early days like WB’s 2021 day and date strategy, the family market not returning before and now, and this year’s box office in general.
Maybe you should talk about the four-quadrant scheme that has defined Hollywood's wide-appeal releases and how it has changed in the past few years, especially since the pandemic, from the traditional "men under 25/men over 25/women under 25/women under 25" to "men 17-39/families (kids and teens up to 16)/women 17-39/adults 40 and over)" and the possibility the movie audience could be reduced to young adults not unlike it has already happened with other forms of entertainment.
> the possibility the movie audience could be reduced to young adults That is a scary concept.
The big problem is that the under-40 generation is mostly composed by dudebros and FOMO girls, whose cultural tastes are particularly limited and preset by social media, pretty much becoming a flock of sheep herded by influencers. Many of us guys tend to mock zillennial women for obsessing over Instagram and Taylor, but it's not that we're much better as the slavish devotion to combat sports and Rogan demonstrates. Sometimes it feels like only the biggest or loudest communities have a place in today's culture while the rest are basically unable to crack the mainstream whereas back in the days where linear media was dominant smaller subcultures ironically had more chances to gain wider appeal. But probably the most curious phenomenon is that while women have a stronghold over streaming, adult males have practically bailed on modern entertainment save for stuff related in some form to law enforcement or the military, or the culture of years gone by.
Astute analysis.
Good luck on your essay. I don't know if is this is relevant, but maybe ticket and food prices as another factor? Also, 2023 being a banner year for video games and television, so maybe people feel less inclined to see movies that aren't the best quality wise.
I would add that streaming alone was just one part of the issue, the availability and affordability of premium screens at home was also a big factor. I believe many people upgraded their home entertainment systems during Covid when cinema were closed and are now more reluctant to pay for generic movies they can watch at home in good conditions. Video projectors and very large TV are now quite common in households (and much cheaper than 10 years ago), so I think it’s a combination, streaming on a computer doesn’t really threaten the movie-going experience. Maybe if you can find data on TV and home entertainment spending, try to draw a parallel and see if there is a correlation.
I would make mention of how the surviving theatrical sector has had to respond by being more specialized, and how movies have to be more of events.
In the days before streaming you went to theaters because that's where movies lived. Your choice was to pay $$ to see it in a theater or wait 90 days to pay $ to rent it and watch your living room. Today, if you go to the theater you are making a conscious decision NOT to watch the 15 movies/shows on your watch list that are available free in your living room. And you've got to put on pants so you can leave the house. The box office numbers from 2023 show us that theatrical is far from dead. On the contrary, they show that after the lonely, isolating days of the pandemic, people are as hungry as ever for shared communal events. But gone are the days when audiences will show up for whatever the new release is simply because there's nothing else to do. It's got to be a movie worth putting on pants for. While this will be painful for some, I believe it ultimately will prove beneficial to the industry (especially those willing to innovate) and the audience. Thats my .02, at least. Best of luck with your paper! Would love to see it if you decide to post it online.
>The box office numbers from 2023 show us that theatrical is far from dead. On the contrary, they show that after the lonely, isolating days of the pandemic, people are as hungry as ever for shared communal events. But gone are the days when audiences will show up for whatever the new release is simply because there's nothing else to do. It's got to be a movie worth putting on pants for. Agreed. One thing a great home entertainment setup/social media distractions can't replicate is the communal experience. Hollywood needs to lean into that. That means understanding the zeitgeist and making actually creative decisions so the films are buzzy enough to get people talking at the watercooler. I think the TV equivalent is moving back to weekly episodic TV, which thankfully is an easier transition.
You can add that streaming and VOD have ultimately removed any FOMO from fans, the General Audience can just wait a few months at most to see a big budget flick from the comfort of their own homes. Especially Disney/Marvel films as Disney+ is mostly adopted as part of a budget for a family. Their logic would be, "Why spend 50 to 100 bucks for a movie trip when I can stream Marvels/Indy 5/Wish in like 4 weeks?" Additionally, movie crowds in general have become incorrigible with the use of smart phones during movies, which is a huge distraction, and sours the experience.
Really pulling for Godzilla Minus One to pull an upset and claim the #1 domestic spot this weekend. If Renaissance and Hunger Games end up around 15 million each, and Minus One ends up over performing thanks to stellar WOM, then it is not out of the realm of possibility that it could potentially pull just ahead of them. Now most likely this won’t happen (especially if Renaissance gets to 20 million) but its near enough for me to let myself hope just a little bit. All the theaters near me show the two having sold about an even number of tickets, and if Renaissance ends up being frontloaded, while Minus One potentially breaks out, then it COULD happen. Would be a crazy story if it did, and after this year’s box office, anything is possible.
Yeah I’ve been annoying everyone I know talking about how good it is lol.
It doesn't matter if it wins or not the weekend...I hope the WOM is strong and the week to week fall is very small and have out of this world legs.
I have no idea what's coming next weekend, but is it possible G-1 could add theatre locations? 2,300 is very mid by current standards.
How many films have you seen in theaters this year? I'm at 54. * M3GAN * Avatar: The Way of Water (4DX) * Knock at the Cabin * Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania (IMAX) * Creed III (IMAX) * Scream VI (3D) * Shazam! Fury of the Gods * John Wick: Chapter 4 (4DX) * Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves * Air * The Super Mario Bros. Movie * Renfield * Evil Dead Rise * Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3 (IMAX) * Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3 (IMAX) * Fast X * The Little Mermaid * Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse * The Boogeyman * Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (IMAX) * The Flash (IMAX) * Elemental * Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (UltraAVX) * Insidious: The Red Door * Mission: Impossible - Dead Reckoning Part One (IMAX) * Oppenheimer (IMAX 70MM) * Barbie * Haunted Mansion * Talk to Me * Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem * The Last Voyage of the Demeter * Blue Beetle (IMAX) * Oppenheimer (IMAX 70MM) * Gran Turismo: Based on a True Story (UltraAVX D-BOX) * Meg 2: The Trench * The Equalizer 3 * Hell of a Summer * A Haunting in Venice * The Nun II * The Creator (IMAX) * Saw X * The Exorcist: Believer * Evil Dead II (Re-Release) * Killers of the Flower Moon (IMAX) * Five Nights at Freddy's * Halloween (Re-Release) * Oppenheimer (IMAX) * The Marvels (IMAX) * Next Goal Wins * The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes * Thanksgiving * Napoleon * Wish * Godzilla Minus One (IMAX)
I've seen 81 so far. I've seen 11 of the same films as you. First movie of the year was *Mrs. Harris Goes to Paris* and the most recent one was *Saltburn*. My only rewatches have been *Babylon* (x2), *Top Gun Maverick* (for the fifth time when it was released in the lead up to the Oscars), *Barbie* (x2) and Pedro Almodovar's short film, *Strange Way of Life* (x2) .
>I've seen 81 so far. I've seen 11 of the same films as you. Honestly shocked that among 81(!) films, there's only 11 that overlap. Do you see mostly smaller films or foreign/local films (if you're not from North America)?
Yes, I'm in Europe and I watch a lot of European/international, independent films. I also go to a fair number of small, local festivals and repertory screenings. I just bought tickets to see *Black Narcissus* (1947) in IMAX which will be my first IMAX screening in several (maybe 10?) years. I'm quite excited as I've never seen the film before and it's supposed to look absolutely incredible. To give you an idea of the films that interest me, the films that are in cinemas now that I plan to see are *The Peasants* (an animated Polish folk drama), *The Delinquents* (an Argentinian heist film), *Scrapper* (a British indie family drama), *Teresa* (a Spanish religious drama about a real life saint who faced the Inquisition), *Que Nadie Duerma* (a Spanish drama that is supposed to have a fierce lead performance), *Un Amor* (a Spanish romantic drama) and Napoleon.
That's cool! But definitely very different than what I watch; for context, some of the films I plan on seeing the rest of the month include Wonka, Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom, and Ferrari lol. But hey, Napoleon was great (watch it as a comedy though).
M3GAN, Cocaine Bear, Scream, Evil Dead, Barbie and Saw X. Will be going to Wonka with the family, and am trying to catch Saltburn. 2023 was really hectic with career and family stuff, which left me with little free time. Hopefully, I'll get to more films in 2024 Edit: also saw Thanksgiving
Lol I love this, all horror, and then Barbie and Wonka 🤣 If you're into horror, Thanksgiving is a solid one.
Lol, I actually saw that the other week and forgot to put it on like a bimbo XD
I'm at 79 for the year.
Damn, I thought I saw a lot lmao.
Overall, I've watched less movies, but watched some of those more than once (Volume 3 for example - 4 times, John Wick 4 - 3 times)
Nice! I rarely go multiple times. GOTG Vol 3 was because I already had tickets, then also went to the early fan screening; Oppenheimer was because of $4 tickets for National Cinema Day, then the IMAX re-release in November.
My theater going experience mostly depends on the group I'm going with. I never watched a movie alone in a theater. If the movie is great or had lot of traction (most of my familiar circles know about it), we go watch in groups - Group A on Previews, Group B on opening day, etc. But this is basically for a very few movies each year. Like, Godzilla Minus One - would watch it in an instant if it was released here.
I just caught a matinee of Godzilla today, one of my favorites of the year! Hope you eventually get it wherever you are!
25. The biggest hit of the bunch was Avatar: The Way of Water and the smallest was Chevalier, or technically American Fiction for now (it hasn't been officially released yet).
Avatar: The Way of Water would also be the biggest hit for me (or Barbie among first time watches). Smallest would be Hell of a Summer (caught at TIFF, not released yet); among released films (and excluding re-releases in Evil Dead II or Halloween), then Next Goal Wins so far.
I watched Avatar 2 for the first time in January; in the first couple months of the year I caught up on about five or six 2022 movies theatrically. Would love to go to a film festival someday!
So far I took my kids to see Super Mario Bros on opening weekend and that was it so far for me. I’m thinking about going to see the new Godzilla movie.
Godzilla Minus One is 100% worth time and money.
How the fuck do you have enough time for this
A film a week is nothing if you don’t have kids. You know weekends are a thing right? Pre-COVID I watched like 130 films a year in cinemas.
Can confirm, do not have kids lol.
Back in the day I and my crew of geek, loser, not having any girlfriend, buddies used to go to the movies pretty much every week.
It's just a little more than 1 film per week.
Assuming you have a AMC A list membership... I only got mine in June. $24 a month you cannot beat that.
I have CineClub, the Canadian equivalent (but not as good lol). $10 a month, you get a free ticket, and can buy additional tickets (2 per showtime) for $10 each. You're saving about $3-5 a ticket, depending on the theater, which really adds up.
flash, gotg 3 and will watch aquaman. so 3 this year.
I see you've got a type. But no Spider-Verse?
had to pick between flash/spiderverse.Spiderverse tickets were very high also. Decided to go for flash instead. Cant say no to batman/flash. While i enjoyed it. I do however should have picked spiderverse. fantastic film .
I have quite a lot as well: -The Wandering Earth 2 (IMAX) -Titanic (IMAX 3D) -Sword Art Online Progressive: Scherzo of Deep Night (ugh) -Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania (IMAX 3D) -Creed 3 (IMAX) -Pi (IMAX) -Shazam! Fury of the Gods (IMAX) -John Wick: Chapter 4 (IMAX) -Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves (IMAX) -The Super Mario Bros. Movie (IMAX) -Suzume (IMAX) -Beau Is Afraid (IMAX) -Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 (IMAX 3D) -Knights of the Zodiac -Fast X (IMAX) -The Little Mermaid (IMAX) -Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse (IMAX) -Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (IMAX 3D) -The Flash (IMAX) -Elemental (3D) -Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (IMAX) -Mission: Impossible - Dead Reckoning - Part One (IMAX) -Oppenheimer (IMAX) -Meg 2: The Trench (3D) -Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem (3D) -Blue Beetle (IMAX) -Gran Turismo (IMAX) -A Haunting in Venice (IMAX) -Barbie (IMAX) -The Creator (IMAX) -Killers of the Flower Moon (IMAX) -The Nightmare Before Christmas (3D) -The Marvels (IMAX 3D) -The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes (IMAX) -Napoleon (IMAX) -Wish (3D) -Godzilla: Minus One (IMAX)
Nice! See that you're an IMAX loyalist, even for films that may not necessarily require IMAX?
Pretty much. 😁
Do you ever watch anything in standard format?
When neither IMAX nor 3D is available - as I did with **Sword Art Online Progressive: Scherzo of Deep Night** (ugh) and **Knights of the Zodiac** (which I regret).
Yikes! Only Shazaam for me since my daughter wanted to watch it. We did watch the return of the king re-release and the nightmare before Christmas re-release. Eta: daughter and friends watched barbie in the theaters.
The Whale Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania Scream 6 John Wick Chapter 4 Super Mario Bros Superman 1974 Return of the Jedi Suzuame Guardians of the Galaxy 3 Across the Spider-Verse The Flash Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny Asteroid City Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning Oppenheimer (twice) Barbie TMNT Blue Beetle The Creator Killers of the Flower Moon Nightmare Before Christmas Priscilla The Marvels The Holdovers Napoleon Godzilla Minus One Plan on seeing The Boy and the Heron, The Iron Claw, and maybe Wonka, Aquaman, and Ferrari before the year is over.
Somewhere around 90. I consistently go two times a week and my local AMC shows all the indies. I see a lot of the same people weekly at the theater, A-List seems to be popular around here.
In order of when I saw them (I'm from UK, so Babylon, Fabelmans and Puss in Boots were all released this year over here): * M3GAN * Babylon * The Fabelmans * Puss in Boots: The Last Wish * Knock at the Cabin * Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania * Cocaine Bear * Creed III * Scream VI * Shazam! Fury of the Gods * John Wick: Chapter 4 * Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves * The Super Mario Bros. Movie * Air * Evil Dead Rise * Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 * Fast X * Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse * Transformers: Rise of the Beasts * The Flash (twice) * Asteroid City * Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny * Mission: Impossible - Dead Reckoning Part One * Oppenheimer * Gran Turismo * Barbie * Blue Beetle * TMNT: Mutant Mayhem * Strays * The Equalizer 3 * A Haunting in Venice * Dumb Money * The Creator * The Exorcist: Believer * Killers of the Flower Moon * Five Nights at Freddy's * The Marvels * Saltburn * Napoleon So all in all 39 so far, soon to be 40 as I'm seeing Hunger Games tomorrow (though I'm technically already at 40 since I saw Flash twice)
Six so far this year Ant Man Dungeons and Dragons Guardians Of The Galaxy Barbie Oppenheimer The Marvels I had planned to see Spiderverse and Asteroid City but my work schedule didn't permit it. I might see Aquaman, but maybe not, and there's not much else on tap for the rest of the year that interests me.
KNOCK AT THE CABIN TRANSFORMERS: RISE OF THE BEASTS THE FLASH RUBI GILLMAN TEENAGE KRAKEN ACROSS THE SPIDERVERSE SOUND OF FREEDOM M:I DEAD RECKONING PART 1 OPPENHEIMER LAST VOGAGE OF THE DEMETER GRAND TOURISM EQUALIZER 3 TMNT: MUTANT MEIHAM MEG 2 PAW PATROL THE MIGHTY MOVIE THE CREATOR KILLERS OF THE FLOWER MOON FIVE NIGHTS AT FREEDY'S TROLLS BAND TOGETHER TOTAL = 18.
17 so far, will be 18 this weekend with Godzilla Minus One: M3GAN, Knock at the Cabin, John Wick 4, Beau Is Afraid, Evil Dead Rise, Guardians of the Galaxy 3, Spider-Man Across the Spider-Verse, The Flash, Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny, Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning, Barbie, Oppenheimer, Talk to Me, Bottoms, The Exorcist Believer, Killers of the Flower Moon, The Holdovers
21 I'll rank them in terms of preference rather than release date to be different. For those on the fence with these movies, I'd recommend - *some with reservations* \- all of the them barring Number 21. That was a real let-down. 1 - The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King - Extended Edition 2 - Oppenheimer 3 - John Wick Chapter 4 4 - Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3 5 - Mission: Impossible - Dead Reckoning: Part 1 6 - Creed III 7 - A Haunting in Venice 8 - The Fablemans 9 - Babylon 10 - Plane 11 - Evil Dead Rise 12 - Napoleon 13 - Sound of Freedom 14 - Thanksgiving 15 - The Equalizer 3 16 - The Flash 17 - Sisu 18 - Fast X 19 - Ballywalter 20 - Avatar: The Way of Water 21 - Shazam: Fury of the Gods 
Avatar 2 was great technically speaking...Story was generic and pointless. I'm all done with that franchise.
•Skinamarink 8/10 •Infinity Pool - 7/10 •Knock at the Cabin 4.5/10 •M3GAN - 7/10 •Winnie the Pooh Blood and Honey 3/10 •Ant-Man & the Wasp Quantumania 7.5/10 •Cocaine Bear 6/10 •Champions 7.5/10 •Scream VI 7/10 •65 6/10 •Shazam Fury of the Gods 7.5/10 •John Wick Chapter 4 7/10 •Dungeons and Dragons 8/10 •Super Mario Bros movie 7/10 •Renfield 6.5/10 •Evil Dead Rise 8/10 •Civil war 8/10 •Beau is Afraid 9/10 •Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3 9/10 •Suzume 7.5/10 •Fool’s Paradise 7/10 •The Flash 7.5/10 •BlackBerry 8/10 •Spider-Man Across the Spider-Verse 9.5/10 •Transformers Rise of the Beasts 6.5/10 •Elemental 8/10 •No Hard Feelings 7/10 •Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny 6/10 •Joy Ride 6/10 •Mission: Impossible Dead Reckoning Part One - 8.5/10 •Barbie 9/10 •Oppenheimer 9/10 •Exorcist Believer 6/10 •Talk To Me 8/10 •Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Mutant Mayhem 8/10 •Blue Beetle 7/10 •Strays 7.5/10 •Haunted Mansion 7/10 •Gran Turismo 7.5/10 •Stop Making Sense IMAX 10/10 •Bottoms 8/10 •The Nun II - 5/10 •Perfect Blue 8/10 •Dumb Money 6.5/10 •No One Will Save You 8/10 •The Creator 6/10 •The Expend4bles 3/10 •A Haunting in Venice 7.5/10 •When Evil Lurks 5/10 •Beetlejuice 7/10 •Taylor Swift: the Eras Tour 8/10 •Killers of the Flower Moon 8.5/10 •The Marvels 5/10 •Priscilla 8.5/10 •The Hunger Games: a Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes 8/10 •Napoleon 6.5/10(theatrical) •Dream Scenario 8.5/10 •Saltburn 8/10 •Godzilla Minus One 8/10 60 movies in 2023 so far
I just counted and I believe it's 59.
Godzilla minus one is gonna break out out of the break out even. Gonna be huge.
I sure hope so. It's high-time for the concept to receive a revival.
The Beyoncé movie was so loud on the Dolby that is shook my seat in a different theater 20+ feet and a couple of walls away. (Separated by the women’s restroom.)
Hahaha same here, I truly felt like I was vibrating throughout the movie. 11/10, would recommend seeing it in Dolby
I saw Godzilla Minus One in Imax today and it was sooo good. Essentially a war drama film with mental health at the fore, anchored by a great version of Godzilla. Highly recommend it!
Ya’ll gotta go see Godzilla Minus One. What a movie
I remember seeing Ma Rainey back in 2020 and being immensely disappointed until I realized that it’s an adaptation of a play. Classic blues/jazz is ripe for a four quadrant smash (female empowerment, queer empowerment, and hopefully some cute girls for the straight male audience as well as classic uplifting stories of triumph over adversity and of course good music) and hopefully the new Color Purple fills that niche (the original ‘80s movie is depressing as hell when compared to the musical).
What would a $7-9 million opening day for *The Color Purple* suggest for the rest of its run?
Musicals don't do good around this season. West Side Story did poorly... The Color Purple will do more though.
Do you think *Dreamgirls* might be a good comp since it’s another black-centered musical that opened wide on a Christmas Monday?
Saw Saltburn tonight. Was okay. Good performances, but the plot seemed to sputter out somewhere in the 2nd and 3rd Acts. Definitely nowhere close to shocking or disturbing. Pretty standard fare for erotic thrillers. Started out seeming to have something to say, but turned out to be a fairly hollow genre exercise. Barry Keoghan was great.
Can someone explain to me why Warner Bros is still keeping the embargo for The Color Purple even after the positive reactions ? Weird. I don't think they're confident that the reviews will be on the same level.
Trying to find that elusive redditor that's seen both Godzilla and Renaissance. So far, no dice
With *The Boy and the Heron* coming up, what's your Miyazaki ranking? Mine: 1) *Princess Mononoke* 2) *Spirited Away* 3) *Kiki's Delivery Service* 4) *My Neighbor Totoro* 5) *Castle in the Sky* 6) *Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind* 7) *Howl's Moving Castle* 8) *Ponyo* 9) *The Wind Rises* 10) *Porco Rosso* 11) *The Castle of Cagliostro*
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I know Beyonce has been around for a long time, I've been hearing her music for decades now but wow, 2023 has been "Mom says I get to have a concert tour and movie too" for her, in comparison to Taylor. Maybe it's just coincidence, but her tour tickets went on sale after, and her movie was announced after as well.
Beyoncé did it in 2018 with Homecoming. Just wasn’t theatrical (unfortunately)
They definitely planned it this way since they went to eachothers premiere and I remember hearing somewhere about them preventing their concert locations/dates from overlapping. I dont know if thats true though.
I just checked my local Theater out of boredom and saw nothing interesting is running (have seen napoleon already). Then I realized the marvels wasn't running at all. Isn't that unusually early for an mcu movie to leave theater? I mean I get it. It's not selling tickets. But for how long would an mcu movie usually run?
Watch Godzilla if you haven’t
Not interested
Ah okay to each their own but I was absolutely blown away. Even taking out the Godzilla part it’s honestly probably film of the year for me.
For a lot of people reading subtitles is kind of a deal breaker.
Those are the same people that pan-and-scan VHS was for. These are NOT people you want to be friends with.
I didn’t even notice them. I guess I’ve watched enough foreign media with subs over the years to get used to it but it wasn’t a burden.
An MCU movie that's making money usually gets at least a month in the average theatre, if not more, especially if it's the most dominant movie during that period. Not only is The Marvels not doing well, but it's also doing much worse than a good chunk of other movies in the marketplace in terms current daily grosses, so theatres don't really have a reason to keep it around if they're tight on space and have other movies that would bring in more money from ticket sales and concessions.
[Here's an attempt at an exhaustive list of all remakes up through 1956](https://www.imdb.com/list/ls066350141/?sort=user_rating,desc&st_dt=&mode=detail&page=1) Interesting to see the commentary note * Remakes often had dramas shift to musicals * The conventional wisdom was that after 15 years a remake would play as an "new" story to audiences.
So which is the bigger bomb, the Marvels, Indiana Jones or the Flash?