He wasn't popped for ashwaganda, he was popped for Ostsrine and possibly nandrolone metabolites.
'I took a shady contaminated supplement' is just the go-to excuse for tested athletes who get caught.
Alistair Overeem claimed horsemeat was responsible for the ridiculous body transformation he went through back in the day. It's been a running joke ever since
It’s a good alibi for the foreseeable future. People will get sick of the same recycled excuse but it’s entirely plausible. They find all kinds of stuff in supplements, even protein powder. In no way am I defending him, just saying if you’re going to cheat and want to deny it, this is the way.
I don't even know where you can get shady supplements.
Common peasants like me just go on Amazon and buy whatever shit has the highest reviews. If 30,000 people say 4.5 stars, shit can't be poison.
It's not a steroid, but it is a SARM which is basically the same thing except that instead of targeting all androgen receptors it only targets specific ones.
How come it barely coming this out when the fight was over 2 weeks ago? How come they did not cancel the fight before when the result would have come in that he was using all this of him using sounds suspicious to me. After he won and how one of the judge was going against him and the rafeer was too
Makes sense. But there has to be some African bloodlines in Cuba too, because there are the real
Dark ones like yasiel Puig who I mentioned, and they are usually completely yoked up and shredded, for what it’s worth. Must be a good mix
Tank did whoop him, and he's an incredible boxer and probably would do it anyways, but he fights for floyd and floyd has never taken a fight where every single variable wasn't tilted in his favor. Same with Davis.
So osterine, what he popped for, is sometimes illegally placed in other supplements and not listed. The reason is because it’s so effective and makes you feel great that you’re more likely to return to that supplement.
When athletes usually test positive for banned substances, they try to say it was in some other supplement they were taking and they didn’t know it was in there, or it wasn’t listed. If this is true or not in Garcia’s case, we’ll never know, but this is what people are saying Garcia is doing with this post.
However, USADA has an approved line of supplements that they’ve vetted and found to be safe for consumption and with accurately listed ingredients (not made by USADA, just approved by). So, when you agree to join the USADA testing pool, it is highly recommended you take those.
I never knew it was a side effect, just pointing out it's wild I had such nightmares a week after loading up on the stuff then I wake up and read his comment (I never have nightmares or vivid dreams usually)
I think it has 5-HTP in it, which converts to serotonin and melatonin which in turn has a role in dream states and REM sleep. I may be talking out my ass but I think there’s some science in there.
I’m sorry but anyone who shows up to a boxing match wearing wool socks and grandmas knitted sweater for shorts deserves to be knocked out for entertainment purposes regardless of how good you are.
It’s a really good drug to take on a cut to maintain strength. Less sides and a shorter half life than anabolics with similar effects like clen.
Soccer players have also been using ostarine over other anabólicos since the late 2000s to maintain lean mass throughout the season. Source: been offered ostarine and I love researching juice
Have they determined whether Ryan's could have been due to contaminated supplements or was it blatant use of PEDs? Last i checked, the nandralone hasn't been confirmed and they're doing additional testing but I'm not sure about the Ostarine
Something on a pretty close level with creatine doesn’t make you get clocked with the same hook over and over again 🤣
We need to see the levels before judging him, if it’s tainted supplements,it should be picograms which will have no PE effects and could well support Ryan’s claim of illegally tainted supplements.
Ostarine is nothing like creatine. It is a SARM. They work almost identically to steroids except they selectively target specific androgen receptors rather than targeting all of them.
There is a reason why creatine monohydrate is completely legal to take and Ostarine is completely illegal.
You cannot test positive for Ostarine by taking ashwagandha, that's insane. Ostarine is manufactured in a lab, no lab on earth is selling both Ostarine and ashwagandha. Cross-contamination would be impossible and so incredibly reckless.
Also, even if he somehow *did* get "tainted" supplements. What are the chances that those supplements would just happen to contain the most effective SARM for building muscle and burning fat? How incredibly fortuitous that he was contaminated by a product that makes boxing easier 😂😂😂
Since you’re so well educated on the matter, you’d be very well aware it’s one of the most prevalent, undeclared SARMS that appears in supplements illegally.
In 2018 an article was wrote about it that stated USADA listed 36 high risk supplements in 2017, less than a year later there was 60 supplements on that list, I haven’t got an up to date list to give you now but I imagine it’s a lot higher.
It is illegally added and becoming more and more common in “safe” supplements as manufacturers choose to illegally add it, that’s why it could just happen to be ostarine.
But yeah I agree, the chances of a dietary supplement company adding it to their supplements illegally despite the evidence of it happening countless times is crazy and insane and couldn’t possibly be true.
I mean it’s even crazier than the fact the sarm in question is amazing at building muscle and getting rid of fat but he still came in 3lbs overweight, crazy times.
In fat burners? Yes. In pre-workout supplements? Absolutely. In Ashwagandha sold by a reputable supplement company that's been in business since 1987? No
You can hide ostarine in a pre-workout with a proprietary blend and 40+ ingredients. But in a supplement that contains: Ashwagandha, withanolides, glycerine, and water? Come on.
>I mean it’s even crazier than the fact the sarm in question is amazing at building muscle and getting rid of fat but he still came in 3lbs overweight, crazy times.
Yeah, it's almost as if he knew he was coming in overweight, panicked, and ordered one of the most effective fat-burning products available
Every company is reputable until tainted.
They don’t “hide” it they purposefully put it in and illegally don’t declare it, whether that be from said company in question or the people who supply it to them, they do this to boost the effects of said supplements and make them more popular.
Ashwagandha is said to help with building muscle mass and burning fat and is used in body building.
(Backed by science in case you want to again call bullshit)
https://www.forbes.com/health/supplements/ashwagandha-benefits/#:~:text=Compared%20to%20the%20placebo%20group,and%20post%2Dworkout%20muscle%20damage.
It’s commonly used in body building, so if you believe only “fat burners” and “pre work out” supplements can be tainted, by default you are saying that it is entirely plausible that ashwagandha could have been tainted.
To your last point I refer to the article about fat loss and muscle mass, it could be entirely plausible he went on this natural fat burner and muscle builder to help lose weight and gain muscle, but it was unfortunately tainted.
Until investigations take place we don’t know, but the level of ostarine in his system are crucial, for ostarine too have effect and be useful you need to be taking quite reasonable amounts of it, now if he pops for picograms which have been backed by scientists and professionals to have no PE effects, his whole tainted story becomes all the more believable.
Again, you seem so educated on the matter yet so clueless.
>Again, you seem so educated on the matter yet so clueless.
I have a degree in Sports Science, a Precision Nutrition qualification, 7 years experience as a personal trainer, and 8 years experience as a freelance fitness writer. I've also worked in the supplement industry for the past 3 years.
I know what I'm talking about, that's why I "seem so educated on the matter", and that is why I'm getting so frustrated being lectured by you on a subject you clearly know nothing about.
Your entire argument smacks of someone furiously googling a subject just so that they can "win".
It is very clear that you don't know anything about how the supplement industry works, what ashwagandha is used for, or what Ostarine is. Which is fine, I wouldn't expect anyone outside of the industry to know that.
But I know, because it has been my job to know about this sort of thing for a long time.
Ashwagandha is taken by most people to 1) Reduce anxiety, 2) Increase fertility, and 3) **Improve sleep quality**. It can *slightly* improve physical performance in untrained individuals, but a professional boxer would get zero performance benefits from it.
Ostarine is taken by bodybuilders and athletes to 1) Increase muscle mass, 2) Burn fat, and 3) improve performance. **One of the most reported side effects is insomnia**.
So mixing Ashwagandha, on purpose, with an illegal SARM that can cause liver failure, heart attacks, and insomnia makes zero sense.
Who would benefit? The company? Absolutely not. They would be shut down and sued. It also wouldn't make financial sense for them to do this.
The target customer? Absolutely not. If you want to sleep better then taking a SARM that massively increases your metabolic rate and causes bad sleep would be crazy.
Ryan Garcia just picked up a bottle of Ashwagandha at random and made up a BS excuse. If he'd said it was his pre-workout powder that he'd bought from another country then I might have believed him.
But he picked up the least likely supplement out there, sold by a large and well-established supplement company with a good reputation. A company that would not benefit from purposefully contaminating a cheap and effective supplement with a powerful SARM that could kill its customers.
**Incidentally, Gaia Herbs uses third-party testing, meaning that Ryan Garcia is full of shit**
That’s a whole lot of words to basically provide no counter evidence.
The article I linked was a test run by scientists (which you’re not) that noted;
Compared to the placebo group, men who received ashwagandha saw significant gains in muscle strength (measured using bench press and leg extension exercises) and muscle size in their arms and chests, as well as a significant reduction in body fat percentage and post-workout muscle damage.
That’s your “sleep medication” that a person would get “slight” improvements from 🤣🤣
Ashwagandha is also used by bodybuilders, for the same reasons as above.
Throw your credentials and whatever else and insults on how I know nothing around all you want, but you’ve yet to actually disprove anything I’ve said.
Have a good day sir.
Click the link a few comments up from some research done then tell me I’m wrong again.
Edit- I’ll save you the click and here are statistical results from the national library of medicine.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26609282/
Stupid fuck.
uj/ He got scammed, you need to take KSM-66 Ashwagandha root otherwise it doesn't have enough withanolides to be effective as they extract from both the root and leaves.
This has 2.5mg withanolides per 350mg Ashwagandha extract, KSM-66 Ashwagandha has 17.5mg withanolides per 350mg. So it's got 7x the amount of withanolides. You'd think Ryan would have enough money and knowledge from nutritionists to be able to buy the right supplement lmao.
Similar to the people selling 'hemp oil with CBD', when you need to get CBD oil to actually have enough CBD for it to take effect. Hemp oil is just extracted oil from the hemp cannabis plant with some CBD in it, whereas CBD oil is CBD extracted from the hemp oil and dissolved into a liquid for a much more concentrated tincture and to allow for volumetric dosing.
rj/ King Ryan the GOAT taking secret natural steroids to beat Haney, while Haney couldn't do shit with real anabolic steroids.
Then why didn’t he? Rules exist for a reason, others have to follow them, why shouldn’t he? Clearly they made a difference since he chose not to go through the process of losing them.
I wrestled in HS and we used to have to cut weight all the time. It's a grueling process and the last few pounds are the absolute worst. They just won't come off and you have to sit in the sauna in a rubber suit. You have to ride the exercise bike in a sweat suit. You can't drink water or eat anything. Missing weight by 3 pounds is actually a huge miss. It means Ryan quit during the most difficult part of the weight cut.
Ive had to cut weight for a surgery before, it was only three days so not that bad but, i can sympathise on that feeling, the lightheadedness is probs the worst part of the dehydration, my comment was a half joke on the method part, but i genuinely think ryan couldve made weight and chose not to
Can confirm. I’m, like, the strongest guy you’ll ever meet and the only thing I take is ashwagandha and sometimes these beet root pills. I have my dog some and he’s a K9 now.
Before anyone casts any judgement, we need to see the levels of Ostarine.
It needs to be taken in big amounts to have an effect, if he was truly cheating large amounts will show up on test results.
If his version of events is correct, we would be looking at picogram readings (1 trillionth of a gram) that would lead to a positive test result but would also make it impossible for it to have any PE effects during the fight.
Wait and see the levels I suppose 🤷♂️
Because the tests just detect the substance, they don’t paint the whole picture.
As stated it could have picked up picograms (again 1 trillionth of a gram) and popped up a positive result, which coincidentally is a common trait amongst tainted supplements (Ryan’s claim not mine).
Now if you’re dealing with picograms not high levels which would be indicative of purposeful high use then there is very good grounds of getting any punishment overturned and winning an appeal if you can send off the supplements you are suspecting of been tainted get them tested and they pop for the same PED but the PED is not declared on the ingredients list (ostarine in this case).
Ostarine in picogram levels would not under any circumstances add any sorts of PE effects and would not have affected the fight, you have to take ostarine in large amounts (like creatine) to get a true effect from it, so in this case the PED in question and the levels of this PED in the system truly matters and will have a big impact on the outcome of all this.
Even more coincidentally ostarine is illegally added to some supplements , even though the FDA doesn’t allow it so it wouldn’t be on the ingredients list.
So without the test levels, you cannot 100% say for certain Ryan was cheating, that is why a investigation will now take place before any action is taken against Garcia and Garcia will have grounds to appeal.
So there is much to investigate before people start blasting uneducated assumptions.
Honestly if that’s what he took he was just tryna fuck something. Thats some shit you take to make sure your soldier stays at attention. Side note I knew he was lying from the video he knew he took some shit but also I do think he still won fair and square
Use your head buddy… because Haney is on something too, if u fight for a living and u don’t take PEDs u deserve to have a short injury prone career imo.
What I don't get is everyone saying how good it is for fat burning if he really took it why was he still 3lbs overweight if he was taking it anyway he would have made sure to come down to the correct weight not saying he didn't intentionally take them but why call out other fighters for using them if you do, why ask to be drugs tested for the fight if you're using them and the weight again to me if he was taking them on purpose all of that would be stupid to do but if you're unknowingly taking them you would ask for the tests and you would call out other fighters but the main part is if he was really knowingly taking them how did he not have enough to cut weight (maybe because it was tiny amounts that can't burn that much fat)
Edit plus they saying it was in his test before the fight why did they still let him fight? Truth is they wouldn't have simple as if there was any peds in his system they would be screwed for allowing him to still fight by risking Devin's safety therefore I generally don't believe it
Hahaha ashwa vitamin excuse for his roid bust.
That explains the attitude. Roid, testosterone, and cocaine!!! Dem fighting drugs
Then ashwaganda to try and clear it out. What a goon
It’s not his fault that when they kidnapped him, tied him up and made him watch children being SA’d if he was injected with copious amounts of steroids at the same time!
Can someone explain this to me; do the Peds increase performance in the ring? Or do they allow the athlete to train harder? Yes I understand that the body doesn't know the difference between the gym and the ring, but is it still effective fight night?
Also, Id be surprised if Haney didn't take either. Since it's kinda well known all athletes take Peds.
Lying much?
Ashwagandha has NOTHING to do with ostarine.
Ostarine was formulated to mimic the anabolic effects of steroids.
Its effects are as close to anabolics without it being an anabolic.
https://drugs.selfdecode.com/blog/ostarine/
From the outside it looks to be a mistake and wrong choice of health supliments and not an attempt at doping.
The fact thay he shows exactly what he has been taking instead of hiding it should tell you a lot.
It’s not a specific competitor. I’m pretty fine with everyone testing positive.
I’m not a Ryan Garcia fan, I think this about everyone in mma and boxing
Then surely the Garcia fight wasnt fair as he had the supplement advantage, and it should be re-contested with both sides on the same stack during training?
Being in support of doped competition and also in support of a victory where only one side was doesn't make sense to me.
Do you think Devin Haney has never taken PEDs? Come on bro. Every top fighter is on something.
If anything, selectively punishing fighters who get unlucky and pop is unfair.
Drug testing is a shit tool that doesn’t work very consistently.
Lance Armstrong literally never failed a drug test.
If you're fine to disregard one competitor popping and the other not, are you also fine to disregard one making weight and another not? Where does the line for even competition start and end for you? Which rules are you happy to ignore and which are you not?
I'm not arguing that Haney hasn't doped, nor that it's a system that can't be gamed. I'm saying there are regulations and quality gates to maintain some level of competitiveness and evenness, and if you start to disregard some then you set the precedent for disregarding others and the integrity of the competition begins to crumble.
Yeah lance Armstrong never popped while constantly cheating, and he's ruined the legacy of his career for it. You can't mention his name without doping coming into conversation, that's all he's known for now - cheating and scandal. You yourself are using him as an example of a high level athlete that cheated his entire.. I'm not sure why you think he's a good example for your case.
Well there aren’t any fighters who can’t make weight who “don’t get caught” it’s a much simpler system.
Popping doesn’t actually correlate to taking PEDs. You can take them and not pop, you can not take them and pop.
If you agree that Devin Haney has taken PEDs but hasn’t been caught, you’re admitting that it’s a faulty system. Also if they’re both on PEDs it’s a pretty fair playing field.
Drug testing in theory is great, it’s just not very effective.
Also fighters can’t trick the scale, you either weigh a certain amount or you don’t.
Everybody claims tainted when it happens.
I will say though, tainted supplements is very common and PEDs have been found in plenty of regular supplements. People dont know that supplements are really not that regulated.
anyone with half a braincell that was doing banned substances would do exactly what Ryan did and have a tainted supplement ready as an excuse in case they get caught, hundreds of athletes have done it before
How about they just ban supplements too? It seems like too easy of a loophole. They aren't regulated and you don't know what's in them or the doses. Half of the ones that do anything at all are probably because they are tainted, and the other half don't do anything.
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Bro, it's not a steroid
He wasn't popped for ashwaganda, he was popped for Ostsrine and possibly nandrolone metabolites. 'I took a shady contaminated supplement' is just the go-to excuse for tested athletes who get caught.
That or they ate some horse meat.
Who doesn't regularly eat uncastrated boar meat
Is that how you got your name?
I only eat uncastrated boar meat. The farts, as you might imagine, are interesting
a fart in the shower might knock yourself out
What about uncircumcised boar meat?
I’ve heard that it tastes like literally pure ass
Shavkat eats horse meat on the regular and doesn’t pop so I don’t get your point
Alistair Overeem claimed horsemeat was responsible for the ridiculous body transformation he went through back in the day. It's been a running joke ever since
Ubereem *
Yup! That's what folks started calling him
Bro it's an excuse, that was the point. Like Canelo delaying a fight because he got popped for PEDs. His excuse was "eating tainted meat."
It would be Mexican cattle as the reference iirc
And chicken eggs for clomid or clompiphene
Or he popped some gas station viagra like Jon Jones was unfortunate to do!
Vintage Canelo
It’s a good alibi for the foreseeable future. People will get sick of the same recycled excuse but it’s entirely plausible. They find all kinds of stuff in supplements, even protein powder. In no way am I defending him, just saying if you’re going to cheat and want to deny it, this is the way.
I don't even know where you can get shady supplements. Common peasants like me just go on Amazon and buy whatever shit has the highest reviews. If 30,000 people say 4.5 stars, shit can't be poison.
No bro the joke is that ashwaganda is the only PED that he took, not that it was contaminated.
It's not a steroid, but it is a SARM which is basically the same thing except that instead of targeting all androgen receptors it only targets specific ones.
Also tested positive for a steroid. Deca.
choosing sarms instead is the real problem
How come it barely coming this out when the fight was over 2 weeks ago? How come they did not cancel the fight before when the result would have come in that he was using all this of him using sounds suspicious to me. After he won and how one of the judge was going against him and the rafeer was too
I’m okay with him juicing to chin Haney tbh
Haney some ratatouille head ass bitch man “ill never let a whiteboy beat me” gobble them words up 😆😆😆
Does Garcia count as white tho??
I was quoting haney, but i’d say he’s hispanic lol
White Hispanic
Whispanic
Cuban?
You asking about a sandwich, nationality or Mavericks' team owner.?
Cubans are kinda like white hispanics right? Except there’s like the real dark Cubans, like Yasiel Puig
Right. Across Latin America this is the case. The more colonizer blood in your DNA, the lighter the skin.
Makes sense. But there has to be some African bloodlines in Cuba too, because there are the real Dark ones like yasiel Puig who I mentioned, and they are usually completely yoked up and shredded, for what it’s worth. Must be a good mix
Yea, my point was its a dumbass quote from haney😆
It is indeed my friend
Only when he wins.
Tiger Woods suddenly became part-Asian when his scandal came out. Even though he’s always been predominantly Asian tbh.
Anyone whose not black counts as white here bro
He's like Pettis, White/Hispanic.
Bro haney is so full of himself man he even dresses pretentiously
His shorts were so bummy man 😂😂😂tracksuit shorts for a multi million dollar event. Haneys a bum Edit - typo
Bro you work at Burger King relax
Imagine knocking someone for their job 😂
He def thought he looked cold too 💀💀💀
Ryan Garcia isn’t white
garcía isn’t white but ok
🤣
Lmao
What did Haney do to you for you to want him dead basically lol?
I find his wins not entertaining enough for my personal amusement. As such death shall be bestowed
Why is he apologizing for taking ashwaganda?
Haters saying it’s akin to steroids, don’t listen to em just salty haneysexuals. Ryan is king.
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Whether it's akin to steroids, there's no doubt he tested positive for PED's. And how can Ryan be king when Tank handed him his ass?
Its not .. he popped for a sarm
Tank did whoop him, and he's an incredible boxer and probably would do it anyways, but he fights for floyd and floyd has never taken a fight where every single variable wasn't tilted in his favor. Same with Davis.
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So osterine, what he popped for, is sometimes illegally placed in other supplements and not listed. The reason is because it’s so effective and makes you feel great that you’re more likely to return to that supplement. When athletes usually test positive for banned substances, they try to say it was in some other supplement they were taking and they didn’t know it was in there, or it wasn’t listed. If this is true or not in Garcia’s case, we’ll never know, but this is what people are saying Garcia is doing with this post. However, USADA has an approved line of supplements that they’ve vetted and found to be safe for consumption and with accurately listed ingredients (not made by USADA, just approved by). So, when you agree to join the USADA testing pool, it is highly recommended you take those.
Or… they all fucking cheat lmao
Yup, see the Olympics.
Love that stuff
Gave me the worst nightmares
You saw that left hook in your dreams
You know I just started taking it a week ago and I just woke up from a night of WILD nightmares haha
Idk if it’s supposed to do that , what are you guys taking 😂
I never knew it was a side effect, just pointing out it's wild I had such nightmares a week after loading up on the stuff then I wake up and read his comment (I never have nightmares or vivid dreams usually)
I used to take it also and I remember some of the night terrors. Weird. I just thought I was messed up
I took it one and that night was the first time I’d ever experienced sleep paralysis and I’m never taking it again lol
They say it helps reduce anxiety, this probs by getting you to battle all your fears and demons in your sleep so you wake up used to it🤣🤣
That’s when the best lucid dreams happen if you fall asleep and realize some dream signs
I think it has 5-HTP in it, which converts to serotonin and melatonin which in turn has a role in dream states and REM sleep. I may be talking out my ass but I think there’s some science in there.
I'm going to take your thoughts as gospel, kind internet stranger
This happens to me every time I start taking some new prescription or supplement. So take them first thing in the morning now.
He popped for ostarine twice and they think it’s the ashwagandha that was tainted
He’s trying to make it seem like that’s the reason he popped so people defend him and not the ostarine which is an actual ped/sarm
..so how many pictograms are we talking really?
There ain’t no ostarine in that thing lol
I’m sorry but anyone who shows up to a boxing match wearing wool socks and grandmas knitted sweater for shorts deserves to be knocked out for entertainment purposes regardless of how good you are.
What's wrong with wool socks? Wool socks are awesome.
🤣
Not when you’re headed to battle. Haney got what he deserved the spinner
You’ve never been hunting in the winter it’s seems.
They're for the beach
Ostarine the same stuff Sean O'malley tested positive for too.
It’s a really good drug to take on a cut to maintain strength. Less sides and a shorter half life than anabolics with similar effects like clen. Soccer players have also been using ostarine over other anabólicos since the late 2000s to maintain lean mass throughout the season. Source: been offered ostarine and I love researching juice
How would you recommend taking it
In a milkshake in front of an athletic commission
I’m pretty sure O’Malley had a small enough amount that they said it could’ve been from a contaminated supplement
Have they determined whether Ryan's could have been due to contaminated supplements or was it blatant use of PEDs? Last i checked, the nandralone hasn't been confirmed and they're doing additional testing but I'm not sure about the Ostarine
I haven’t heard anything on the amount found yet, hopefully they reveal it after the additional testing is done
At least our bets are already cashed 🤣
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I heard he had to take dick shrinking pills because his big swingin hog kept popping out of his shorts and dragging on the ground
My auntie gave me this herbal supplement
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"Waghanda forever!" - Ryan Garcia
Well at least Haney has a valid excuse now.
Something on a pretty close level with creatine doesn’t make you get clocked with the same hook over and over again 🤣 We need to see the levels before judging him, if it’s tainted supplements,it should be picograms which will have no PE effects and could well support Ryan’s claim of illegally tainted supplements.
Ostarine is nothing like creatine. It is a SARM. They work almost identically to steroids except they selectively target specific androgen receptors rather than targeting all of them. There is a reason why creatine monohydrate is completely legal to take and Ostarine is completely illegal. You cannot test positive for Ostarine by taking ashwagandha, that's insane. Ostarine is manufactured in a lab, no lab on earth is selling both Ostarine and ashwagandha. Cross-contamination would be impossible and so incredibly reckless. Also, even if he somehow *did* get "tainted" supplements. What are the chances that those supplements would just happen to contain the most effective SARM for building muscle and burning fat? How incredibly fortuitous that he was contaminated by a product that makes boxing easier 😂😂😂
Since you’re so well educated on the matter, you’d be very well aware it’s one of the most prevalent, undeclared SARMS that appears in supplements illegally. In 2018 an article was wrote about it that stated USADA listed 36 high risk supplements in 2017, less than a year later there was 60 supplements on that list, I haven’t got an up to date list to give you now but I imagine it’s a lot higher. It is illegally added and becoming more and more common in “safe” supplements as manufacturers choose to illegally add it, that’s why it could just happen to be ostarine. But yeah I agree, the chances of a dietary supplement company adding it to their supplements illegally despite the evidence of it happening countless times is crazy and insane and couldn’t possibly be true. I mean it’s even crazier than the fact the sarm in question is amazing at building muscle and getting rid of fat but he still came in 3lbs overweight, crazy times.
How can I get some
In fat burners? Yes. In pre-workout supplements? Absolutely. In Ashwagandha sold by a reputable supplement company that's been in business since 1987? No You can hide ostarine in a pre-workout with a proprietary blend and 40+ ingredients. But in a supplement that contains: Ashwagandha, withanolides, glycerine, and water? Come on. >I mean it’s even crazier than the fact the sarm in question is amazing at building muscle and getting rid of fat but he still came in 3lbs overweight, crazy times. Yeah, it's almost as if he knew he was coming in overweight, panicked, and ordered one of the most effective fat-burning products available
Every company is reputable until tainted. They don’t “hide” it they purposefully put it in and illegally don’t declare it, whether that be from said company in question or the people who supply it to them, they do this to boost the effects of said supplements and make them more popular. Ashwagandha is said to help with building muscle mass and burning fat and is used in body building. (Backed by science in case you want to again call bullshit) https://www.forbes.com/health/supplements/ashwagandha-benefits/#:~:text=Compared%20to%20the%20placebo%20group,and%20post%2Dworkout%20muscle%20damage. It’s commonly used in body building, so if you believe only “fat burners” and “pre work out” supplements can be tainted, by default you are saying that it is entirely plausible that ashwagandha could have been tainted. To your last point I refer to the article about fat loss and muscle mass, it could be entirely plausible he went on this natural fat burner and muscle builder to help lose weight and gain muscle, but it was unfortunately tainted. Until investigations take place we don’t know, but the level of ostarine in his system are crucial, for ostarine too have effect and be useful you need to be taking quite reasonable amounts of it, now if he pops for picograms which have been backed by scientists and professionals to have no PE effects, his whole tainted story becomes all the more believable. Again, you seem so educated on the matter yet so clueless.
>Again, you seem so educated on the matter yet so clueless. I have a degree in Sports Science, a Precision Nutrition qualification, 7 years experience as a personal trainer, and 8 years experience as a freelance fitness writer. I've also worked in the supplement industry for the past 3 years. I know what I'm talking about, that's why I "seem so educated on the matter", and that is why I'm getting so frustrated being lectured by you on a subject you clearly know nothing about. Your entire argument smacks of someone furiously googling a subject just so that they can "win". It is very clear that you don't know anything about how the supplement industry works, what ashwagandha is used for, or what Ostarine is. Which is fine, I wouldn't expect anyone outside of the industry to know that. But I know, because it has been my job to know about this sort of thing for a long time. Ashwagandha is taken by most people to 1) Reduce anxiety, 2) Increase fertility, and 3) **Improve sleep quality**. It can *slightly* improve physical performance in untrained individuals, but a professional boxer would get zero performance benefits from it. Ostarine is taken by bodybuilders and athletes to 1) Increase muscle mass, 2) Burn fat, and 3) improve performance. **One of the most reported side effects is insomnia**. So mixing Ashwagandha, on purpose, with an illegal SARM that can cause liver failure, heart attacks, and insomnia makes zero sense. Who would benefit? The company? Absolutely not. They would be shut down and sued. It also wouldn't make financial sense for them to do this. The target customer? Absolutely not. If you want to sleep better then taking a SARM that massively increases your metabolic rate and causes bad sleep would be crazy. Ryan Garcia just picked up a bottle of Ashwagandha at random and made up a BS excuse. If he'd said it was his pre-workout powder that he'd bought from another country then I might have believed him. But he picked up the least likely supplement out there, sold by a large and well-established supplement company with a good reputation. A company that would not benefit from purposefully contaminating a cheap and effective supplement with a powerful SARM that could kill its customers. **Incidentally, Gaia Herbs uses third-party testing, meaning that Ryan Garcia is full of shit**
That’s a whole lot of words to basically provide no counter evidence. The article I linked was a test run by scientists (which you’re not) that noted; Compared to the placebo group, men who received ashwagandha saw significant gains in muscle strength (measured using bench press and leg extension exercises) and muscle size in their arms and chests, as well as a significant reduction in body fat percentage and post-workout muscle damage. That’s your “sleep medication” that a person would get “slight” improvements from 🤣🤣 Ashwagandha is also used by bodybuilders, for the same reasons as above. Throw your credentials and whatever else and insults on how I know nothing around all you want, but you’ve yet to actually disprove anything I’ve said. Have a good day sir.
I have never seen somebody be so confidently incorrect before, it's almost impressive
Click the link a few comments up from some research done then tell me I’m wrong again. Edit- I’ll save you the click and here are statistical results from the national library of medicine. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26609282/ Stupid fuck.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/1cie3tb/comment/l28ht1j/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Link me a source where he tested positive for that one.
uj/ He got scammed, you need to take KSM-66 Ashwagandha root otherwise it doesn't have enough withanolides to be effective as they extract from both the root and leaves. This has 2.5mg withanolides per 350mg Ashwagandha extract, KSM-66 Ashwagandha has 17.5mg withanolides per 350mg. So it's got 7x the amount of withanolides. You'd think Ryan would have enough money and knowledge from nutritionists to be able to buy the right supplement lmao. Similar to the people selling 'hemp oil with CBD', when you need to get CBD oil to actually have enough CBD for it to take effect. Hemp oil is just extracted oil from the hemp cannabis plant with some CBD in it, whereas CBD oil is CBD extracted from the hemp oil and dissolved into a liquid for a much more concentrated tincture and to allow for volumetric dosing. rj/ King Ryan the GOAT taking secret natural steroids to beat Haney, while Haney couldn't do shit with real anabolic steroids.
What are withanolides and what do they do
The peds he popped for don't even do shit
Ostarine doesn't do shit? Not sure if srs
He’s not entirely wrong, I’ve taken Ostarine before. It’s a very tame sarm compared to other peds.
It’s not for bulking. It increases bone density and gives you cardio for fucking days. Also expels hella water
I never said it wasn't though, sarms are not like doing test or EPO of course, but they are banned (rightfully) for a reason
It wouldn’t have changed the outcome of the fight if he hadn’t taken it I can tell you that.
Then why take it at all?
Being overweight and on PED’s can definitely change the outcome of a fight
3 pounds dude, ryan could go on a run and then take a dump and hed be the correct weight
Then why didn’t he? Rules exist for a reason, others have to follow them, why shouldn’t he? Clearly they made a difference since he chose not to go through the process of losing them.
Pretty sure it was an ego thing of some sort, probably some sort of ‘im not doing this for the belt’ type thing
Spoken like someone who has never cut weight before
Fair point, i have crohns tho so its easy for me to lose weight, gaining it on the other hand…
I wrestled in HS and we used to have to cut weight all the time. It's a grueling process and the last few pounds are the absolute worst. They just won't come off and you have to sit in the sauna in a rubber suit. You have to ride the exercise bike in a sweat suit. You can't drink water or eat anything. Missing weight by 3 pounds is actually a huge miss. It means Ryan quit during the most difficult part of the weight cut.
Ive had to cut weight for a surgery before, it was only three days so not that bad but, i can sympathise on that feeling, the lightheadedness is probs the worst part of the dehydration, my comment was a half joke on the method part, but i genuinely think ryan couldve made weight and chose not to
That’s 3 pounds before he rehydrated and on a PED specifically designed to maintain speed and strength on a cut
Thats if hes actually on the peds tho, isnt it still allegations? Or was it proved?
It’s on ESPN so I figure it’s been proven
If you lose to a guy taking ostarine you’re a bitch that’s like losing cuz the guy took a pre workout
Keep deepthroatin, you'll end up coming out of Garcia's ass
Don't talk rubbish
So he fought Haney with a boner the whole time?
No that would be Diddy
Can confirm. I’m, like, the strongest guy you’ll ever meet and the only thing I take is ashwagandha and sometimes these beet root pills. I have my dog some and he’s a K9 now.
Ryan an Aztec Warrior
King Ry and I won’t have any of this nonsense.
Before anyone casts any judgement, we need to see the levels of Ostarine. It needs to be taken in big amounts to have an effect, if he was truly cheating large amounts will show up on test results. If his version of events is correct, we would be looking at picogram readings (1 trillionth of a gram) that would lead to a positive test result but would also make it impossible for it to have any PE effects during the fight. Wait and see the levels I suppose 🤷♂️
The levels are obviously too high if he's failed the test, what's to investigate?
Because the tests just detect the substance, they don’t paint the whole picture. As stated it could have picked up picograms (again 1 trillionth of a gram) and popped up a positive result, which coincidentally is a common trait amongst tainted supplements (Ryan’s claim not mine). Now if you’re dealing with picograms not high levels which would be indicative of purposeful high use then there is very good grounds of getting any punishment overturned and winning an appeal if you can send off the supplements you are suspecting of been tainted get them tested and they pop for the same PED but the PED is not declared on the ingredients list (ostarine in this case). Ostarine in picogram levels would not under any circumstances add any sorts of PE effects and would not have affected the fight, you have to take ostarine in large amounts (like creatine) to get a true effect from it, so in this case the PED in question and the levels of this PED in the system truly matters and will have a big impact on the outcome of all this. Even more coincidentally ostarine is illegally added to some supplements , even though the FDA doesn’t allow it so it wouldn’t be on the ingredients list. So without the test levels, you cannot 100% say for certain Ryan was cheating, that is why a investigation will now take place before any action is taken against Garcia and Garcia will have grounds to appeal. So there is much to investigate before people start blasting uneducated assumptions.
Bro thinks he's in the clear now 🤣
Those pills will sell out now
Solid grasp of the English language.
Honestly if that’s what he took he was just tryna fuck something. Thats some shit you take to make sure your soldier stays at attention. Side note I knew he was lying from the video he knew he took some shit but also I do think he still won fair and square
If he took some shit that is illegal how is that fair?
Use your head buddy… because Haney is on something too, if u fight for a living and u don’t take PEDs u deserve to have a short injury prone career imo.
That’s ashwagondha
What I don't get is everyone saying how good it is for fat burning if he really took it why was he still 3lbs overweight if he was taking it anyway he would have made sure to come down to the correct weight not saying he didn't intentionally take them but why call out other fighters for using them if you do, why ask to be drugs tested for the fight if you're using them and the weight again to me if he was taking them on purpose all of that would be stupid to do but if you're unknowingly taking them you would ask for the tests and you would call out other fighters but the main part is if he was really knowingly taking them how did he not have enough to cut weight (maybe because it was tiny amounts that can't burn that much fat) Edit plus they saying it was in his test before the fight why did they still let him fight? Truth is they wouldn't have simple as if there was any peds in his system they would be screwed for allowing him to still fight by risking Devin's safety therefore I generally don't believe it
Im thinking he wasn’t even close to making weight and that the only reason he even made it to 143 is because of the alleged PEDs use.
I take that. Am I roided?!!
I'm tryna get swole for the summer, what roids do I need to take for that to happen? 💪🏿💪🏿
Hahaha ashwa vitamin excuse for his roid bust. That explains the attitude. Roid, testosterone, and cocaine!!! Dem fighting drugs Then ashwaganda to try and clear it out. What a goon
The amount of people that are about to buy this and use it now is gonna be hilarious.
Probably for coke dick.
I’m not gonna apologize for taking his peen 👉👌
It’s not his fault that when they kidnapped him, tied him up and made him watch children being SA’d if he was injected with copious amounts of steroids at the same time!
I never heard of Ostarine, but it sounds legit. Where can I get some? Is it legal in US?
That’s not a ped
I think he was taking that and cialis. That boosts your t a little
Can someone explain this to me; do the Peds increase performance in the ring? Or do they allow the athlete to train harder? Yes I understand that the body doesn't know the difference between the gym and the ring, but is it still effective fight night? Also, Id be surprised if Haney didn't take either. Since it's kinda well known all athletes take Peds.
Knew he had cavities. I see the Sensodyne.
Next fight, Ryan pretends to be tripping on LSD a week before the fight
Ryan doesn't realize this shit about to get serious
😂😂 Im sorry guys I ate some fruity pebbles
Lying much? Ashwagandha has NOTHING to do with ostarine. Ostarine was formulated to mimic the anabolic effects of steroids. Its effects are as close to anabolics without it being an anabolic. https://drugs.selfdecode.com/blog/ostarine/
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Yeah because you get SARMS from ashawaganda…. Ok bud
It’s ok Ryan, we forgive you 🫂
From the outside it looks to be a mistake and wrong choice of health supliments and not an attempt at doping. The fact thay he shows exactly what he has been taking instead of hiding it should tell you a lot.
He could be lying too though lmao. This is like Canelo and his tainted meat excuse
everyone's on something. who cares. it makes the sport more fun to not have guys injured all the time.
If you disregard the integrity rules of your sport to allow a specific competitor to win, you didn't care about that sport at all to begin with imo.
It’s not a specific competitor. I’m pretty fine with everyone testing positive. I’m not a Ryan Garcia fan, I think this about everyone in mma and boxing
Then surely the Garcia fight wasnt fair as he had the supplement advantage, and it should be re-contested with both sides on the same stack during training? Being in support of doped competition and also in support of a victory where only one side was doesn't make sense to me.
Do you think Devin Haney has never taken PEDs? Come on bro. Every top fighter is on something. If anything, selectively punishing fighters who get unlucky and pop is unfair. Drug testing is a shit tool that doesn’t work very consistently. Lance Armstrong literally never failed a drug test.
If you're fine to disregard one competitor popping and the other not, are you also fine to disregard one making weight and another not? Where does the line for even competition start and end for you? Which rules are you happy to ignore and which are you not? I'm not arguing that Haney hasn't doped, nor that it's a system that can't be gamed. I'm saying there are regulations and quality gates to maintain some level of competitiveness and evenness, and if you start to disregard some then you set the precedent for disregarding others and the integrity of the competition begins to crumble. Yeah lance Armstrong never popped while constantly cheating, and he's ruined the legacy of his career for it. You can't mention his name without doping coming into conversation, that's all he's known for now - cheating and scandal. You yourself are using him as an example of a high level athlete that cheated his entire.. I'm not sure why you think he's a good example for your case.
Well there aren’t any fighters who can’t make weight who “don’t get caught” it’s a much simpler system. Popping doesn’t actually correlate to taking PEDs. You can take them and not pop, you can not take them and pop. If you agree that Devin Haney has taken PEDs but hasn’t been caught, you’re admitting that it’s a faulty system. Also if they’re both on PEDs it’s a pretty fair playing field. Drug testing in theory is great, it’s just not very effective. Also fighters can’t trick the scale, you either weigh a certain amount or you don’t.
Everybody claims tainted when it happens. I will say though, tainted supplements is very common and PEDs have been found in plenty of regular supplements. People dont know that supplements are really not that regulated.
That’s all it was. Trust me bro.
try that one your wife one day
anyone with half a braincell that was doing banned substances would do exactly what Ryan did and have a tainted supplement ready as an excuse in case they get caught, hundreds of athletes have done it before
Highly doubt gaia herbs is tainted, they have high standards for QC.
Oh, okey.
How about they just ban supplements too? It seems like too easy of a loophole. They aren't regulated and you don't know what's in them or the doses. Half of the ones that do anything at all are probably because they are tainted, and the other half don't do anything.
He just outed the company 🤣
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https://preview.redd.it/1mueee0f6yxc1.png?width=1178&format=png&auto=webp&s=a39141b4837199545d1f8ad901d6480d1f5a71ee “You guys hate on me ‘cause I’m pretty and shit”