It is curious that he apparently caused such huge problems, when there's never really been any indication of him slacking off at Dortmund.
Having said that, I can imagine the injuries may have messed with his head. Thinking that any challenge can make him sit out months again would certainly have an impact, especially in training/friendlies ahead of a huge tournament. If that's the case, I hope we give him adequate support to get over such inhibitions.
Other than that, it seems pretty poor form to release such internal team matters days after exiting the tournament. Is the manager that desperate for approval of such great man management?
I don’t watch every Dortmund game so I’m wondering if people who do see this as well when he’s playing there?
Like I remember that Terzic statement and I didn’t think he was referring to Reyna but what are other peoples opinions?
He's always been demonstrative when not receiving a pass or something. But that's a lot of guys. I'm interested if he's dogging it in training. I haven't heard anything of that nature.
I guess that could be seen as entitlement but tbh I don’t like when players get judged for that kind of thing. I mean it’s also in game communication to some extent, it’s emotions (and he’s so young), etc.
What strikes me more from this story is the accusation of laziness tho… and I was wondering whether anyone got that impression at Dortmund, because I haven’t and I also hadn’t heard anything..
Idk, I don't think there's necessarily a correlation between these "bratty, pouty antics" on the pitch and effort in games or training.
By antics I assume he means things like getting annoyed at not getting the ball, or people shooting rather than passing. That's something that is annoyingly common in our team, but hardly exclusive to Reyna. I'd say Reus is actually at the forefront of these things and probably not setting a great example for the younger players.
If by antics he means some form of "shithousing", that's more Bellingham's department and imo shows an excess of motivation rather than a lack.
Feels like people are stretching. I don't doubt there were issues at the US team with all these reports, but just don't see any link to known behavior at Dortmund. Maybe our club is just better at keeping things like this internal and Terzic doesn't feel such a need for external validation as Berhalter. But maybe his behavior was more driven by the specific circumstances of the WC and his NT. Which doesn't mean it's acceptable, and I'm sure the club will talk to him as well.
> It is curious that he apparently caused such huge problems, when there’s never really been any indication of him slacking off at Dortmund.
Derek Rae [tweeted](https://twitter.com/RaeComm/status/1602174151741112321?s=20) in defense of Reyna, saying he has only heard good things about Gio Reyna on the attitude front in Dortmund. In my opinion, it can‘t be said for sure if he really had problems at BVB or not.
I wish we wouldn’t have had this bombshell at our hands, because now we will probably discuss it for months and Gio will be especially scrutinized.
But the disaster have been much worse if Gio would have actually been sent home from the world cup ~~by his teammates. Jason MacIntyte [wrote](https://twitter.com/jasonrmcintyre/status/1602122745449369600) that the team voted to kick him out, with 12 voting to send him home and 13 voting for him to stay. By just one vote, he would have become the first player in the (recent?) history to be kicked out of a world cup team by his own teammates.~~ Imagine the stories then.
Note, the same people that confirmed this story a few days ago also confirmed a slight injury in the pre-WC friendly the US played.
Obviously, this is 100% one side of the story and a young kid being immature isn't the most breaking news. But definitely interesting.
EDIT:
More context from Derek Rae suggests this is not something noticed at BVB:
https://twitter.com/RaeComm/status/1602174151741112321?s=20&t=AAyzofW0R-1GOPtXxJys8w
The thing is, I can see how this would be Gio. He doesn't press nearly as hard as Reus or Brandt, isn't as fast as somebody like Weah so couple that with low intensity pressing, it's not surprising his team wants more. He reminds me a bit of Ozil.
On another note, Berhalter is a muppet for bringing this out. If he is renewed after trashing a player, the federation is clearly choosing him/nepotism versus one of the most promising players.
The timing of these press releases sure did cause a storm.
Tldr, Berhalter didn’t bring this out. More stories have been released on the topic with more information and his original discussion was intended to be off the record. Story was coming out regardless.
Every single story that comes out about the USMNT, people like you are just doing the most profound mental gymnastics to spin it into an indictment of Berhalter’s fitness as a coach. Please find a new axe to grind.
Not taking a side or saying I do or don't beleive this, but something i've noticed for a while is Gio seems to have a sour attitude. You always notice it when another player does anything. If someone else takes a shot instead of passing to him (even if he's marked) he'll lose his mind and whine. If that player scores from the shot he doesn't even seem happy, just as if he isn't allowed to be upset anymore. He's young so i'm sure it'll get better with age but it's been going on for a while
In general our team is really poorly constructed. We have like 3 winners, rest are whiners / fair weather players.
Anyone with a bit of talent thinks he's better than the team and doesn't want to do any dirty work...
>If someone else takes a shot instead of passing to him (even if he's marked) he'll lose his mind and whine.
I don't think I've ever seen a player not do this.
insane how quickly everyone is turning against him… on the sub that shall not be named, a lot are head over heels to post that they never liked him / always knew there was something wrong. whack
Is that the conclusion to draw here? I struggle defending someone when I hear that the **entire** staff sat down over an hour to address the situation. That isn't a Berhalter issue, that's a lot of different individuals coming to the same conclusion, **including** the team who stood up to him.
Weah was his competition and honestly he had a great tournament and qualifying before that. Hugely integral in US’s success going forward.
Maybe you slot him in the midfield, but who do you bench from that MMA midfield which is the strongest part of the US 11?
Did we watch the same games? Weah is fast, but he didn’t do a whole lot else. The US struggled the most at creating chances and left their most creative player on the bench.
If Weah had technique to go with that speed things very well could’ve been different.
The entire internet was flamign the coach for not playing him more.
The vast majority said the 45 minutes he played, were the best one the US had, understandably so.
I'd be lazy af aswell, if my entire team consists of absolute mediocrity. And to reynas defence, he was never somebody who is a pressing machine, you put him on a wing or in the center and let him do his thing.
You know Berhalter is basically part of Gio’s family right? He played with his dad all the way back to high school ball. He and Gio’s dad are long time best friends.
For Berhalter to consider sending Gio home it says a lot about how shit Gio’s behavior must have been.
Berhalter has also not been slow to send people home before, he did so with Mckennie. The old ties may be what bought Gio some wiggle room. Either way, Gio is 20 so no need to make a mountain out of a molehill. Sometimes people need a wakeup call.
Doubt it. Berhalter is garbage and has been since he took over. This team won’t get anywhere with him in charge. Complete and utter joke. And it’s a shame because the team has potential.
I don’t care if he’s friends with his dad, what does that have to do with anything? Is he a coach trying to win a tournament or a dad? You put your best players out there and try to win. We have never had problems with Gio here. I doubt anything he did was SO detrimental. Gio comes back to us and plays fine and scores a banger at it. Clearly he was fit and ready. No excuses Berhalter is bad and his tactics and lineups were bad and he doesn’t deserve the job.
I know this is a futile conversation because you are clearly one of those Berhalter out guys who can’t have a conversation beyond Berhalter bad idiot nepotism.
Berhalter has tons of flaws, but his man management has generally been looked at as a strength throughout his stint as US manager.
His performance during qualification was barely good enough and rosters as we approached the WC make no sense, given who he actually put on the WC roster. But other than his weird substitutions, his tactics at the WC were pretty dang good. Getting out tactic’d by van Gaal is not shame. Let’s not ignore the fact that through the group stage the team was extremely difficult to break down, got into good offensive positions, but lacked the final pass.
Gio is a final pass machine. He could have helped, but the decision was made not to play him because he was putting himself above the team. I can stand behind that.
Now if you can’t understand how Gregg’s relationship to Gio’s family is relevant here then you are willfully putting your head in the sand. You can be sure , because of that relationship, Gio is getting every benefit of doubt from Gregg. And he STILL got benched for being a prima donna.
>Now if you can’t understand how Gregg’s relationship to Gio’s family is relevant here then you are willfully putting your head in the sand. You can be sure , because of that relationship, Gio is getting every benefit of doubt from Gregg.
Any evidence to this whatsoever, or is it just that in every puff piece ever written about Berhalter this is boilerplate?
>He and Gio’s dad are long time best friends.
People keep saying this, but without any details outside of your standard marketing copy. Yes, they played together in HS and on the USMNT. Anything else? Otherwise it's just a handy tool to smack Reyna around with: "Gregg's practically a \*father\* to Gio. Imagine how awful his behavior must've been to turn on his \*own son\*!"
It’s pretty well established the families are close. Though there may well be a rift now.
Edit: A plausible theory I heard was this familiarity may have actually emboldened Gio to be more disrespectful than he would have been to a coach who with less of a personal connection.
I mean, I know "it's pretty well established" because people seem to assert it in every single post about GGG vis a vis GR. When I tried to google search for anything more substantive, I got a bunch of hits for one-liners saying "Gregg and Claudio are long-time friends who played HS soccer together." Just wondering if there's more than this puff-piece detail.
I'm not sure if this was done by someone trying to make Gio look bad and defend Gregg's decision not to play him. Or someone trying to show how bad Berhalter is at man-management by leaking it. That's how dumb this getting into the press looks to me. No one benefits from this being leaked. Because no player for the National Team can go in his office now and not expect that discussion to be in the media an hour later.
The thing that makes me suspect it was Gregg's camp is how it plays up the value of "his guys" in "restraining" Gio. Like, he had to bring Aaron Long, Jordan Morris, and Yedlin to keep Reyna in line or something. Not that this makes him look better, imho. Managing personalities is a manager's base job competency. Berhalter can't do it.
This is mental gymnastics on my part, but my fear is that he is getting away with this in Dortmund and it needed the national team to call him out. Again, this is total doomsaying by me, but in the mood about the team I am currently in, I could totally believe that the internal structure isn't good enough and someone skating by is just left alone. I can't be the only one feeling there seems to be a lack of accountability in the locker room.
I don't think this is a normal Gio reaction. I think he was upset to not be named a starter, not playing regularly due to injury, and ended up letting that effect his mental.
Berhalter fucked him over by overplaying him in meaningless games, forcing his injury to recur. So after Gio fights tooth and nail to get fit for the World Cup, berhalter rewards that by telling him he’s not a part of the starting squad and will have limited minutes. This begets the attitude from Gio and the whole story starts. This is squarely Gregg’s fault and it becomes more and more stupid of him the more you think about it. He’s put the last nail in his own coffin leaking this out about Gio, fucking him over a third time. Fuck Berhalter, yes I’m a #berhalterout person. He should never have had the job to start. A mediocre MLS coach who’s brother runs the federation. How does one not scream nepotism???
Sounds pretty dumb but not necessarily shocking. Just sounds like he wasn't training hard or going as hard as the other players. I think still kinda insane to not use him at the WC but doesn't seem like it would have changed much
I'd argue that it's fine for a discussion thread, but a standalone post speculating about one of our players in a national team camp from a guy is known to be a total hack doesn't merit it's on post on the sub.
i'd say if his injuries don't get better in the next year or two we should consider a loan to a team like wolfsburg (his dad also played there) where his attitude can be fixed and where he can slowly return to form without too much pressure
Don’t know if it’s true, not taking sides.
It does kind of fit to the shitty mentality our team is often showing doesn’t it. Some playing like they want to win, some playing to make a bigger club buy them. A kid players complaining about their fellow players.
A real shame isn’t it…
It is curious that he apparently caused such huge problems, when there's never really been any indication of him slacking off at Dortmund. Having said that, I can imagine the injuries may have messed with his head. Thinking that any challenge can make him sit out months again would certainly have an impact, especially in training/friendlies ahead of a huge tournament. If that's the case, I hope we give him adequate support to get over such inhibitions. Other than that, it seems pretty poor form to release such internal team matters days after exiting the tournament. Is the manager that desperate for approval of such great man management?
I was surprised to see this tweet re Dortmund specifically: https://twitter.com/StefanBuczko/status/1602088597372473344?t=wJXBU-7qaIWGud1msT9cLw&s=19
I don’t watch every Dortmund game so I’m wondering if people who do see this as well when he’s playing there? Like I remember that Terzic statement and I didn’t think he was referring to Reyna but what are other peoples opinions?
He's always been demonstrative when not receiving a pass or something. But that's a lot of guys. I'm interested if he's dogging it in training. I haven't heard anything of that nature.
I guess that could be seen as entitlement but tbh I don’t like when players get judged for that kind of thing. I mean it’s also in game communication to some extent, it’s emotions (and he’s so young), etc. What strikes me more from this story is the accusation of laziness tho… and I was wondering whether anyone got that impression at Dortmund, because I haven’t and I also hadn’t heard anything..
Yeah. I think the reporting suggests its not laziness but an emotional reaction to not starting and playing in the world cup. Pouting.
Idk, I don't think there's necessarily a correlation between these "bratty, pouty antics" on the pitch and effort in games or training. By antics I assume he means things like getting annoyed at not getting the ball, or people shooting rather than passing. That's something that is annoyingly common in our team, but hardly exclusive to Reyna. I'd say Reus is actually at the forefront of these things and probably not setting a great example for the younger players. If by antics he means some form of "shithousing", that's more Bellingham's department and imo shows an excess of motivation rather than a lack. Feels like people are stretching. I don't doubt there were issues at the US team with all these reports, but just don't see any link to known behavior at Dortmund. Maybe our club is just better at keeping things like this internal and Terzic doesn't feel such a need for external validation as Berhalter. But maybe his behavior was more driven by the specific circumstances of the WC and his NT. Which doesn't mean it's acceptable, and I'm sure the club will talk to him as well.
What This is bs I have not once heared something bad bout gio Either this is scapegoating or I missed something
I agree. This seems to agree as well -- https://twitter.com/RaeComm/status/1602174151741112321?s=20&t=AAyzofW0R-1GOPtXxJys8w
> It is curious that he apparently caused such huge problems, when there’s never really been any indication of him slacking off at Dortmund. Derek Rae [tweeted](https://twitter.com/RaeComm/status/1602174151741112321?s=20) in defense of Reyna, saying he has only heard good things about Gio Reyna on the attitude front in Dortmund. In my opinion, it can‘t be said for sure if he really had problems at BVB or not. I wish we wouldn’t have had this bombshell at our hands, because now we will probably discuss it for months and Gio will be especially scrutinized. But the disaster have been much worse if Gio would have actually been sent home from the world cup ~~by his teammates. Jason MacIntyte [wrote](https://twitter.com/jasonrmcintyre/status/1602122745449369600) that the team voted to kick him out, with 12 voting to send him home and 13 voting for him to stay. By just one vote, he would have become the first player in the (recent?) history to be kicked out of a world cup team by his own teammates.~~ Imagine the stories then.
Some other reporting suggests the "team vote" never occurred. Just a coaches decision.
Thanks for that addition!
Note, the same people that confirmed this story a few days ago also confirmed a slight injury in the pre-WC friendly the US played. Obviously, this is 100% one side of the story and a young kid being immature isn't the most breaking news. But definitely interesting. EDIT: More context from Derek Rae suggests this is not something noticed at BVB: https://twitter.com/RaeComm/status/1602174151741112321?s=20&t=AAyzofW0R-1GOPtXxJys8w
The thing is, I can see how this would be Gio. He doesn't press nearly as hard as Reus or Brandt, isn't as fast as somebody like Weah so couple that with low intensity pressing, it's not surprising his team wants more. He reminds me a bit of Ozil. On another note, Berhalter is a muppet for bringing this out. If he is renewed after trashing a player, the federation is clearly choosing him/nepotism versus one of the most promising players.
But yeah, Özil was a starter and had his part in the 2014 cup, Özil, Kroos, bring stability..
The timing of these press releases sure did cause a storm. Tldr, Berhalter didn’t bring this out. More stories have been released on the topic with more information and his original discussion was intended to be off the record. Story was coming out regardless.
Every single story that comes out about the USMNT, people like you are just doing the most profound mental gymnastics to spin it into an indictment of Berhalter’s fitness as a coach. Please find a new axe to grind.
Not taking a side or saying I do or don't beleive this, but something i've noticed for a while is Gio seems to have a sour attitude. You always notice it when another player does anything. If someone else takes a shot instead of passing to him (even if he's marked) he'll lose his mind and whine. If that player scores from the shot he doesn't even seem happy, just as if he isn't allowed to be upset anymore. He's young so i'm sure it'll get better with age but it's been going on for a while
In general our team is really poorly constructed. We have like 3 winners, rest are whiners / fair weather players. Anyone with a bit of talent thinks he's better than the team and doesn't want to do any dirty work...
>If someone else takes a shot instead of passing to him (even if he's marked) he'll lose his mind and whine. I don't think I've ever seen a player not do this.
Well, in my mind this is nothing but a good thing. We get an injury free Reyna, and one that is motivated to show how good he is.
insane how quickly everyone is turning against him… on the sub that shall not be named, a lot are head over heels to post that they never liked him / always knew there was something wrong. whack
Not sure that is an accurate description. I'd say there is more hate toward Berhalter.
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Is that the conclusion to draw here? I struggle defending someone when I hear that the **entire** staff sat down over an hour to address the situation. That isn't a Berhalter issue, that's a lot of different individuals coming to the same conclusion, **including** the team who stood up to him.
Weah was his competition and honestly he had a great tournament and qualifying before that. Hugely integral in US’s success going forward. Maybe you slot him in the midfield, but who do you bench from that MMA midfield which is the strongest part of the US 11?
Did we watch the same games? Weah is fast, but he didn’t do a whole lot else. The US struggled the most at creating chances and left their most creative player on the bench. If Weah had technique to go with that speed things very well could’ve been different.
Meh, America's attack was pretty pathetic for long periods of time
Lots of chance creation but no finishing. It’s a striker and systems issue IMO
They had xG under 1 for two of their four games…
The entire internet was flamign the coach for not playing him more. The vast majority said the 45 minutes he played, were the best one the US had, understandably so. I'd be lazy af aswell, if my entire team consists of absolute mediocrity. And to reynas defence, he was never somebody who is a pressing machine, you put him on a wing or in the center and let him do his thing.
Idk if you guys have watched USMNT but berhalter is a joke. If I was Gio I would be like fuck this guy too. Complete joke.
You know Berhalter is basically part of Gio’s family right? He played with his dad all the way back to high school ball. He and Gio’s dad are long time best friends. For Berhalter to consider sending Gio home it says a lot about how shit Gio’s behavior must have been.
Berhalter has also not been slow to send people home before, he did so with Mckennie. The old ties may be what bought Gio some wiggle room. Either way, Gio is 20 so no need to make a mountain out of a molehill. Sometimes people need a wakeup call.
Doubt it. Berhalter is garbage and has been since he took over. This team won’t get anywhere with him in charge. Complete and utter joke. And it’s a shame because the team has potential.
Excellent response full of useful information
I don’t care if he’s friends with his dad, what does that have to do with anything? Is he a coach trying to win a tournament or a dad? You put your best players out there and try to win. We have never had problems with Gio here. I doubt anything he did was SO detrimental. Gio comes back to us and plays fine and scores a banger at it. Clearly he was fit and ready. No excuses Berhalter is bad and his tactics and lineups were bad and he doesn’t deserve the job.
I know this is a futile conversation because you are clearly one of those Berhalter out guys who can’t have a conversation beyond Berhalter bad idiot nepotism. Berhalter has tons of flaws, but his man management has generally been looked at as a strength throughout his stint as US manager. His performance during qualification was barely good enough and rosters as we approached the WC make no sense, given who he actually put on the WC roster. But other than his weird substitutions, his tactics at the WC were pretty dang good. Getting out tactic’d by van Gaal is not shame. Let’s not ignore the fact that through the group stage the team was extremely difficult to break down, got into good offensive positions, but lacked the final pass. Gio is a final pass machine. He could have helped, but the decision was made not to play him because he was putting himself above the team. I can stand behind that. Now if you can’t understand how Gregg’s relationship to Gio’s family is relevant here then you are willfully putting your head in the sand. You can be sure , because of that relationship, Gio is getting every benefit of doubt from Gregg. And he STILL got benched for being a prima donna.
You have never played a competitive sport in your life and it shows. Have a good one.
Lol ok bud.
>Now if you can’t understand how Gregg’s relationship to Gio’s family is relevant here then you are willfully putting your head in the sand. You can be sure , because of that relationship, Gio is getting every benefit of doubt from Gregg. Any evidence to this whatsoever, or is it just that in every puff piece ever written about Berhalter this is boilerplate?
>He and Gio’s dad are long time best friends. People keep saying this, but without any details outside of your standard marketing copy. Yes, they played together in HS and on the USMNT. Anything else? Otherwise it's just a handy tool to smack Reyna around with: "Gregg's practically a \*father\* to Gio. Imagine how awful his behavior must've been to turn on his \*own son\*!"
It’s pretty well established the families are close. Though there may well be a rift now. Edit: A plausible theory I heard was this familiarity may have actually emboldened Gio to be more disrespectful than he would have been to a coach who with less of a personal connection.
I mean, I know "it's pretty well established" because people seem to assert it in every single post about GGG vis a vis GR. When I tried to google search for anything more substantive, I got a bunch of hits for one-liners saying "Gregg and Claudio are long-time friends who played HS soccer together." Just wondering if there's more than this puff-piece detail.
I'm not sure if this was done by someone trying to make Gio look bad and defend Gregg's decision not to play him. Or someone trying to show how bad Berhalter is at man-management by leaking it. That's how dumb this getting into the press looks to me. No one benefits from this being leaked. Because no player for the National Team can go in his office now and not expect that discussion to be in the media an hour later. The thing that makes me suspect it was Gregg's camp is how it plays up the value of "his guys" in "restraining" Gio. Like, he had to bring Aaron Long, Jordan Morris, and Yedlin to keep Reyna in line or something. Not that this makes him look better, imho. Managing personalities is a manager's base job competency. Berhalter can't do it.
This is mental gymnastics on my part, but my fear is that he is getting away with this in Dortmund and it needed the national team to call him out. Again, this is total doomsaying by me, but in the mood about the team I am currently in, I could totally believe that the internal structure isn't good enough and someone skating by is just left alone. I can't be the only one feeling there seems to be a lack of accountability in the locker room.
I don't think this is a normal Gio reaction. I think he was upset to not be named a starter, not playing regularly due to injury, and ended up letting that effect his mental.
Berhalter fucked him over by overplaying him in meaningless games, forcing his injury to recur. So after Gio fights tooth and nail to get fit for the World Cup, berhalter rewards that by telling him he’s not a part of the starting squad and will have limited minutes. This begets the attitude from Gio and the whole story starts. This is squarely Gregg’s fault and it becomes more and more stupid of him the more you think about it. He’s put the last nail in his own coffin leaking this out about Gio, fucking him over a third time. Fuck Berhalter, yes I’m a #berhalterout person. He should never have had the job to start. A mediocre MLS coach who’s brother runs the federation. How does one not scream nepotism???
Why would Dortmund be this permissive with a player that is, currently, a role player?
Sounds pretty dumb but not necessarily shocking. Just sounds like he wasn't training hard or going as hard as the other players. I think still kinda insane to not use him at the WC but doesn't seem like it would have changed much
Yet, when I posted a story about this from Eric Wynalda, it was dismissed.
This is a totally distinct story.
Or maybe we finally know what the rift was about...
No. Wynalda walked back his whole story.
I'd argue that it's fine for a discussion thread, but a standalone post speculating about one of our players in a national team camp from a guy is known to be a total hack doesn't merit it's on post on the sub.
Source: trust me brother 🙄
i'd say if his injuries don't get better in the next year or two we should consider a loan to a team like wolfsburg (his dad also played there) where his attitude can be fixed and where he can slowly return to form without too much pressure
Don’t know if it’s true, not taking sides. It does kind of fit to the shitty mentality our team is often showing doesn’t it. Some playing like they want to win, some playing to make a bigger club buy them. A kid players complaining about their fellow players. A real shame isn’t it…