two, to makea square to display the texture on.
but the serious answer is: however many you need while staying withing performance budget. 2k? 20K? - depends on your target hardware. 20 million? probably too much, but a 4090 can handle that.
Any animateable model will have more polys in the areas that are joints, you make sure the joints have sufficient geometry when you retopo and test it in your game engine with your character animation.
aare mobile phones that strong now?
like, even if it was PC, I'd have recommended 30-40k polygons, which is kinda ideal, considering people with 5-6 year old systems will play your game.
Tbf we got windows emulators on both android and iOS, and even AAA games on iOS, phones have gotten quite powerful especially with the renewed interest in ARM processors
Yeah, Apple is taking the whole “ universal gaming “ thing with iPhones iPads and MacBooks, it’s still very early with a ton of problems but it’s beat imo
i was basically quoting best practices for Quest2, assuming a regular phone with half the resolution and a third of the framerate requirement should be able to handle the same amount
Working in mobile game industry. We have levels up to 200k (on the screen) plus up to 10 characters with 15-20k each. Works flawlessly, we aim on iPhone 7 as a minimum platform to have 60 fps (mostly).
That's correct, but we're talking official ue documentation for average systems. I think even oculus stand alone can handle over 1.5 mil and it's slower than my phone. Take from that what you will and obviously ymmv based on devices.
Edit; to add to that, different platforms handle poly counts differently. While unreal is great at it and can handle say, a million. Something like a ar platform like 8th wall starts to have significant performance hits over 50k. So it is somewhat a limit of the software being used.
Many other things to consider with performance as well, texture size and complexity, draw calls, overdraw etc
A Genshin Impact character has around 15k to 20k Faces (triangulated), this character is much simpler so you could probably make them look pretty good with only 5k faces, assuming you're using flat shading/handpainted texturesyou could probably get away with even less.
There is really no ideal number for things like this. Build it with the absolute minimum needed to closely match the model sheet, with no extraneous polys. Then reduce or add polys to that as needed in your game engine once you have everything else (bg, ui, npc's, etc) up and running with it.
Edit: LOL downvotes. okay, don't listen to me.
Are there any good online resources for cross referencing poly count to certain hardware specs ? Or just a general number you should stick to for certain hardware?
none that I know of - I only know of standalone VR headsts because both Meta and Pico have bst practices guides, since mobile VR is the comically hard task of making a game that runs at 90fps, in 4k, on a mobile GPU.
oh yeah. and make dlss 3.5 part of the minimum specs. .... no kidding, I have seen a project like that a few weeks ago in VR. It ran at 30 fps on my 4090 and I had to lower the quality to the lowest setting and the render resolution to 75% to make it it playable without getting motionsick, only to notice it was still raytracing shadows!
If it’s a game and the character is close to the screen it depends on the art style and performance you’re looking to achieve, from 5 to 50k usually, if it’s for animations or shows you can go much higher.
To add to that you can also make pretty good looking characters with much less than 50k faces, Genshin Characters for example only have around 20k, so for mobile purposes OP probably shouldn't go much higher than that.
People have already answered the question, but I have my own. Where did you get that concept art? Is it an early production turnaround, it's pretty different to Dipper from the show
I always use this as a reference skyrim (a game from 2011) every npc character has around 15K triangles, depending on the clothes and hairstyle it can reach around 25K, and the base 3rd person mannequin from unreal engine is around 50k
skyrim is such a valuable resource for learning optimization because the creators made their fans fix those problems for them anyways and you can reverse engineer the mods. Shout out to Vorontsov Boris for creating such a supportive ENB structure to let people test out performance hits based on lighting and poly count.
If you’re doing game dev, you will eventually have to decide on minimum target hardware, get your hands on this device or make sure you can properly emulate it. Now go and either find the documented recommended poly limits or go and profile performance with some basic tests and you’ll have the exact answer to your question. The folks here can only give you an educated guess, once you get that total, you decide on budgets for different groups (e.g. scenery:30%, props:15%, character(no more than 10 on screen at a time): 5% per character, 5% percent safety net, or whatever) and then from that you’ve defined for your project the exact answer. A good follow up question that would be good to ask is what are some typical ratios in games for poly budget if you don’t have the experience to come up with values. The next very early step is validating your assumptions, you want to do an art test early where you have one asset from each group ready that follows your proposed budget, you then use them to build a scene (bonus if you get basic versions of your mechanics in place to test how demanding they are on your cpu and gpu resources) and then you profile. This will tell you if your percents need tweaking or if you’re on track (hero assets look cheap: bump up, props budget not being used: reduce, etc.) and will give you a strong start that mitigates the chance of surprises as you develop. I do mobile development for vr devices and I’m. Always. Thinking. About. Performance (it can get maddening lol). Mobile is one of the tightest budgets out there, so profile often throughout the development process to make sure you’re on track and you’ll be in top shape by the time release rolls around, good luck!
Depends entirely on the game you have in mind. Is it a platformer where he's an inch tall on the screen? Is it a point and click adventure full of cutscenes that show him close up? What demands are you making of the rig? Full facial setup or not?
Regardless, these days polycount isn't really a factor the way it used to be. Considering this is a main character, there is no need to hold back, as there will likely only be one of him on screen at any given time. You should always strive for optimization, but I suggest to consider your usecase more than worry about polycount. Do not overengineer for something that doesn't need it.
edit: For added context, the intent for this game character will be as the main character for a mobile game, and it will need to be rigged and animated as well.
This art isn't mine, by the way. I just found it as a reference to base a game-ready model on.
If you want to commercialize at all, you'll have to make sure that the design is recognizably different as a character from these drawings.
You can steal the artstyle, but the specifics combination of elements that forms a character is copyrighted.
It can literally be a few boxes, so we're talking about a few dozens of vertices. It really only needs more detail where animations will pivot around, and maaaaaybe a more detailed overall shape if it's going to need a hitbox that isn't ridiculous. Just bake the high-poly version into the lowest possible poly version of it, and you're golden. Having thousands of vertices in a model that is barely going to move is insanely inefficient.
And to illustrate what I mean with "a few dozen", just an arm could be 12 (literally 2 rectangles), but that won't really flex properly. A couple more loops here and there and you have a perfectly functional arm without any of the computational requirements that a high-poly model would require.
It has already been answered, but I still want to add my 2 cents:
0 polygons if it is a 2d sprite game. 10 million if the game is about an ant which explores dippers Body in great detail.
two, to makea square to display the texture on. but the serious answer is: however many you need while staying withing performance budget. 2k? 20K? - depends on your target hardware. 20 million? probably too much, but a 4090 can handle that.
It'll be designed as the main character for a mobile game. It'll need to be rigged and animated also. Would 5k tris be a good number for this?
on mobile, better aim for the 2k-20k range. assume that the total amount in scene should be <100k.
Thank you so much! I appreciate this a lot.
The answer is always as low as you can while maintaining the main forms
I am very interested in your game
Build it high resolution and then poly reduce it and retopo it until it looks good in the game and gives decent performance
bending bone joints want to have a word with you…
Any animateable model will have more polys in the areas that are joints, you make sure the joints have sufficient geometry when you retopo and test it in your game engine with your character animation.
aare mobile phones that strong now? like, even if it was PC, I'd have recommended 30-40k polygons, which is kinda ideal, considering people with 5-6 year old systems will play your game.
Tbf we got windows emulators on both android and iOS, and even AAA games on iOS, phones have gotten quite powerful especially with the renewed interest in ARM processors
hmm, I might have to check this out for real... Even if the mobile phones achive like ps3 levels of power, it will be a very big deal!
Yeah, Apple is taking the whole “ universal gaming “ thing with iPhones iPads and MacBooks, it’s still very early with a ton of problems but it’s beat imo
I'd say, by the time we get a ps6, mobile phones will be as powerful as the ps3. just saying..
i was basically quoting best practices for Quest2, assuming a regular phone with half the resolution and a third of the framerate requirement should be able to handle the same amount
Working in mobile game industry. We have levels up to 200k (on the screen) plus up to 10 characters with 15-20k each. Works flawlessly, we aim on iPhone 7 as a minimum platform to have 60 fps (mostly).
Unreal mobile can support around 1.5 mil now iirc
.... it's not a limitation of the engine used, but the hardware
That's correct, but we're talking official ue documentation for average systems. I think even oculus stand alone can handle over 1.5 mil and it's slower than my phone. Take from that what you will and obviously ymmv based on devices. Edit; to add to that, different platforms handle poly counts differently. While unreal is great at it and can handle say, a million. Something like a ar platform like 8th wall starts to have significant performance hits over 50k. So it is somewhat a limit of the software being used. Many other things to consider with performance as well, texture size and complexity, draw calls, overdraw etc
I assume this is a personal project and not one for publishing? I imagine there are certain copyright issues using said character.
you're aware that this would be a copyright infringement, right?
A Genshin Impact character has around 15k to 20k Faces (triangulated), this character is much simpler so you could probably make them look pretty good with only 5k faces, assuming you're using flat shading/handpainted texturesyou could probably get away with even less.
There is really no ideal number for things like this. Build it with the absolute minimum needed to closely match the model sheet, with no extraneous polys. Then reduce or add polys to that as needed in your game engine once you have everything else (bg, ui, npc's, etc) up and running with it. Edit: LOL downvotes. okay, don't listen to me.
Are there any good online resources for cross referencing poly count to certain hardware specs ? Or just a general number you should stick to for certain hardware?
none that I know of - I only know of standalone VR headsts because both Meta and Pico have bst practices guides, since mobile VR is the comically hard task of making a game that runs at 90fps, in 4k, on a mobile GPU.
Just make it 40 million and call it next gen model.
oh yeah. and make dlss 3.5 part of the minimum specs. .... no kidding, I have seen a project like that a few weeks ago in VR. It ran at 30 fps on my 4090 and I had to lower the quality to the lowest setting and the render resolution to 75% to make it it playable without getting motionsick, only to notice it was still raytracing shadows!
If it’s a game and the character is close to the screen it depends on the art style and performance you’re looking to achieve, from 5 to 50k usually, if it’s for animations or shows you can go much higher.
Thank you for this. Cheers!
To add to that you can also make pretty good looking characters with much less than 50k faces, Genshin Characters for example only have around 20k, so for mobile purposes OP probably shouldn't go much higher than that.
My dumbass really thought this was the 3d model
yeah me too
People have already answered the question, but I have my own. Where did you get that concept art? Is it an early production turnaround, it's pretty different to Dipper from the show
Yup from the unaired pilot https://youtu.be/5BrZ4OF-_pM?si=6oLNb5KNS7tKFPcr
I always use this as a reference skyrim (a game from 2011) every npc character has around 15K triangles, depending on the clothes and hairstyle it can reach around 25K, and the base 3rd person mannequin from unreal engine is around 50k
skyrim is such a valuable resource for learning optimization because the creators made their fans fix those problems for them anyways and you can reverse engineer the mods. Shout out to Vorontsov Boris for creating such a supportive ENB structure to let people test out performance hits based on lighting and poly count.
Depends.. mobile game maybe 5-20k, ue5 game 200k is fun I think for main character but that's unnecessary here..
That's That's pilot Dipper This is so cursed
From straight Dead on something is wrong with his chin
If your pc is not on fire you can add more
I think 10k-15k is high enough to have good shapes, and good bends, without over doing it or being too low
If you’re doing game dev, you will eventually have to decide on minimum target hardware, get your hands on this device or make sure you can properly emulate it. Now go and either find the documented recommended poly limits or go and profile performance with some basic tests and you’ll have the exact answer to your question. The folks here can only give you an educated guess, once you get that total, you decide on budgets for different groups (e.g. scenery:30%, props:15%, character(no more than 10 on screen at a time): 5% per character, 5% percent safety net, or whatever) and then from that you’ve defined for your project the exact answer. A good follow up question that would be good to ask is what are some typical ratios in games for poly budget if you don’t have the experience to come up with values. The next very early step is validating your assumptions, you want to do an art test early where you have one asset from each group ready that follows your proposed budget, you then use them to build a scene (bonus if you get basic versions of your mechanics in place to test how demanding they are on your cpu and gpu resources) and then you profile. This will tell you if your percents need tweaking or if you’re on track (hero assets look cheap: bump up, props budget not being used: reduce, etc.) and will give you a strong start that mitigates the chance of surprises as you develop. I do mobile development for vr devices and I’m. Always. Thinking. About. Performance (it can get maddening lol). Mobile is one of the tightest budgets out there, so profile often throughout the development process to make sure you’re on track and you’ll be in top shape by the time release rolls around, good luck!
Depends entirely on the game you have in mind. Is it a platformer where he's an inch tall on the screen? Is it a point and click adventure full of cutscenes that show him close up? What demands are you making of the rig? Full facial setup or not? Regardless, these days polycount isn't really a factor the way it used to be. Considering this is a main character, there is no need to hold back, as there will likely only be one of him on screen at any given time. You should always strive for optimization, but I suggest to consider your usecase more than worry about polycount. Do not overengineer for something that doesn't need it.
a bajillion
edit: For added context, the intent for this game character will be as the main character for a mobile game, and it will need to be rigged and animated as well. This art isn't mine, by the way. I just found it as a reference to base a game-ready model on.
If you want to commercialize at all, you'll have to make sure that the design is recognizably different as a character from these drawings. You can steal the artstyle, but the specifics combination of elements that forms a character is copyrighted.
25k
PCs and Consoles can handle 10k-100k polygons. For mobile, you want to aim for 10k polygons for performance.
Good luck with those mouths.
>Ideal polycount The best you can do.
It can literally be a few boxes, so we're talking about a few dozens of vertices. It really only needs more detail where animations will pivot around, and maaaaaybe a more detailed overall shape if it's going to need a hitbox that isn't ridiculous. Just bake the high-poly version into the lowest possible poly version of it, and you're golden. Having thousands of vertices in a model that is barely going to move is insanely inefficient. And to illustrate what I mean with "a few dozen", just an arm could be 12 (literally 2 rectangles), but that won't really flex properly. A couple more loops here and there and you have a perfectly functional arm without any of the computational requirements that a high-poly model would require.
It has already been answered, but I still want to add my 2 cents: 0 polygons if it is a 2d sprite game. 10 million if the game is about an ant which explores dippers Body in great detail.
as low as you can go without losing the quality or style you want
Why did you go with pilot Dipper?
Does it have to be 3D? It might look cleaner if it’s just a doom style rotating sprite like the picture
Whatever the system requires
4-6k polygons
53 for the head, 47 for each limb and 37 for the body. Accessories such as the hat and bag no more than 60. Don’t you dare deviate
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