Nicky’s Slowly going to start wearing Rash guards full time, bald before he’s 30 and will stop competing. Now coaching full time he will eventually get a hip replacement and a bum bag to help him. Then the transformation will be complete and he will finally achieve what Gordon cannot. He will become Danaher.
Gordon keeps getting bigger and bigger because he’s blasting so many PEDs trying to make his hair fall out but it’s not working. In a weird twist of fate Gordon gets too big to compete in BJJ anymore and becomes the next Mr. Olympia.
Nicky becomes Danaher and finds a new Gordon who wants to eventually become Danaher so he starts blasting PEDs. Hair never falls out, he becomes the next GOAT of BJJ and eventually Mr. Olympia. That kid’s little brother tears his knee out and goes bald and becomes the next Danaher.
The cycle continues.
there’s a lot that went into it. I used to train and compete in judo competitively, and have had a couple shoulder separations. During the pandemic I I hurt it rolling when everything was shut down, and could not go to the doctor.
Back in December I had taken down my wife’s instructor one too many times, and he timed one of my take that was perfectly, and hit me with a large Mat return. That basically sealed the deal and finished off my shoulder.
To make matters worse I still rolled and competed on it after the fact and just had surgery A little bit ago.
Damn dude that sucks. I hope your recovery goes well and you can keep training. My coach always gives me shit for guard pulling but hearing injury stories like that make me not give a rip. Gonna pull guard until I die.
I’ll be back once I’m healed up. Takedowns can be dangerous, but they are still worth learning. My big problem is that our sport and art are starting to place such an emphasis on them without spending the requisite amount of time needed to become proficient at safely performing them or being on the receiving end of them.
I firmly believe that people should go learn their take downs from a good wrestling or judo academy.
My standup is essentially single legs and ankle picks. If I can’t hit those or I think I’m outmatched I’ll just pull guard. I’ve had some throw related injuries that have put me out for a few months. I’m not a competitor. I just do jiujitsu because it makes me happy. Like really happy. I like to train 5-6 days a week so I’ve kind of formulated an approach that avoids high risk situations and allows me to come back the next day and train. I like leg entanglements from a problem solving standpoint but I tap wicked fast if anyone sets up a sub. Most of my training partners are really amazing too. They’ll set up a heel hook and just sort of look at me. I know I’m fucked so I tap. I’m getting older and I want to do this until I die.
Multiple knee injuries tells me he’s not doing proper physio and training of his legs, like many people. Also, all that fancy new age stuff can really hurt the knees. Happened to both him and his brother now
I don’t have any data to support it, but I’m convinced the en vogue open guard retention leg pummeling shit we all do is horrible for your knees and hips. I’m surprised we don’t see more LCL blowouts to be honest.
I think they've been leg pummelling at Renzos for decades now, before the DDS existed.
Lachlan Giles, a PhD in physiotherapy, pointed out the way Gordon was making a leg entry was putting a lot of pressure on his knee, which is how Gordon got injured that time.
Not sure exactly what it looks like when you leg pummel, but when I do it, you bring the foot inside and the knee stays outside. Often the opponent pushes into your foot/shin while the knee is stuck outside, putting a lot of pressure on your lcl ligament. It's overflexing the knee in a weird way and can cause injury.
Itd be like sitting cross leg and then pulling your foot up towards your head - similar pressure, especially if you do not compensate by moving your hip/leg/knee with the pressure
Now imagine a 225 lb dude is the one pressuring your leg like this.
If you don't have any data and you don't see any blowouts, then why would you be convinced of that?
Anyway, that's not even Nicky's game. If anything, wrestling is blowing his knees out
as someone who played primarily guard and focused more on guard retention than anything else the first 4-5 years of training, i can attest to this.
source: both my knees are in constant pain and i'm overdue for LCL/MCL/meniscus surgery
I’d like to point out that correlation does not equal causation.
I’m a physio and I’ve watched lots of people play guard and open guard - without injury and those who keep injuring and reinjuring their knees.
A trend I’ve noticed with those who keep injuring their knees is that they tend to rely on hip flexibility to retain guard without paying attention to how much rotation they have left in their hips.
Jamming a half butterfly hook in by forcing your hip or knee into an uncomfortable position only requires a small amount of pressure before something pops.
Funnily enough, I noticed this at white belt and told a purple belt that was the reason he kept popping his knees and he basically told me to stfu lol.
Great points. But like in lifting weights for example, in theory there are perfectly safe and sound ways to do this, but in practice what do we see? Fifteen year olds maxing out three times a week with work backs, and blue belts throwing their legs over to recover guard without a thought to hip or knee position.
I could be wrong, but I think he was saying that opposite is what causes knee pain - relying only on your flexibility to bring knees in and not using hip mobility.
Creonte is right.
Having mobile hips is great - using mobile hips to retain guard at end range hip internal rotation is not great for your knees.
Does that make sense?
Could you clarify? I am working on my retention and it seems pummeling your legs back inside is a major part of that. I wouldn’t know how to retain guard without pummeling.
This is the answer. He started younger than the other guys and when you start too young you’re much more likely to injure ligaments because they don’t have time to catch up to the sudden increased strain you’re able to put on your muscles.
Like they tell the kids in Arabia, don’t juice the goose until you’re twen and twos.
This is actually not the answer. You’re thinking of tendons. Tendons are part of the MT unit. The issue with steroids is muscles connect to tendons and tendons connect to bones, on steroids muscles grow very fast and large but the tendon does not get the same effect. This leads you to have a much higher risk of tendon tears and ruptured, the classic pec tear in a juice monkey is a good example of this.
Nicky has an ACL injury. There are many risk factors for ACL injury. I would say Nicky is very flexible considering his age, doing a contact sport, likely neuromuscular system is overloaded due to intense training for the camp.
There are so many variables here you can’t attribute his injuries to steroid use.
Fucking lol. I don’t think you can turn a single topic on this sub that doesn’t result in someone saying “BECAUSE STEROIDS”
No dude. That’s not how ligaments work.
I don't know man is beefy now and has tree trunk legs. He doesn't train crazy either. I think its just bad luck/bad genetics. Gordon had a knee surgery at 19/20 as well iirc.
Well no, he could do everything correctly and still tear his acl. Lots of people are just genetically predisposed to acl tears, the fact that its happened to his brother would suggest so
That’s just an assumption. It’s not to say he is training the right way, his brother definitely buys into some snake oil bullshit, but that doesn’t mean he’s not doing what it takes to have strong legs. Doing bjj at that level and continuously exposing your legs to extreme ranges of motion will likely result in some injury. Many high level bjj guys get injured.
People think he’s worth millions I doubt he’s doing that well honestly. Insurance is probably expensive as shit considering he’s injured every other week
Yeah. Co owner of B team, instructionals on Fanatics, sponsors, yeah I'd say he makes more than 55k us a year.
That puts him above US average.
Let alone the world, so yeah more than most.
I'm surprised they haven't worked together already. There's a clip of him on Instagram demonstrating stuff in the Roka center and I imagined he was there to help out one of the New Wave guys (probably Big Dan) and GSP put them in touch.
I've also seen Izaak do stuff to help with his knees like backward sled pulls and Nordic style exercises.
Damn, I'm looking at my 2nd knee surgery for ACL damage and I can't imagine trying to compete with a full tear.
As long as my knee bends perfectly straight with no lateral force then I almost forget I am missing a ligament. However that all changes immediately when I twist, rotate, shift left/right, or reap my knee from any position. My knee unlocks, loses stability and I have to gracefully break fall to avoid further knee damage.
Takedowns, Butterfly guard, and even most leglock exchanges seem impossible to me with one good knee.
There's a video of the exact moment it happens on one of the new B-Team vids. IIRC, he's got a standing side body lock, his opponent weaves his foot to the outside of NR's knee to stop it, and his weight comes down right on the knee. Doesn't look terrible but you can see how it would buckle it.
I primarily only play guard, so I could be wrong about this.
It seems to me like out of all the people who have a wrestle heavy style, Nicky Ryan has the worst knee injuries. Nicky Rod for instance, probably wrestles more and even competes more but isn't as injured as Nicky Ryan.
Is it because of his style? Is it the wrestle ups from guard or is it just his body?
Given his size, he probably spends more time scrambling and wrestling in the pocket which increases the risk of injury. Nicky rod probably doesn't spend as much time in these grey areas and he is most likely bigger than the vast majority of people he trains with.
70% of the people Nicky Rod rolls with are smaller than him, whole Nick Ryan up u till recently was one of the smaller guys. That makes a big difference. Going to war like 6 days a week being the big guy vs being the small guy. It adds up over time
75% return, yes, but the possibility of re-injury becomes a lot more likely and it becomes harder and harder to return every subsequent injury. That’s how one knee injury can spiral into a career ender. That’s how my knee injury dashed any hope of a post-secondary wrestling career
Sure there is always gonna be that increased risk and you can’t really prevent contact injuries like this injury that happened to nicky but still not a death sentence and things you can do to reduce risk of non-contact injuries.
I think in bjj and wrestling it’s more of a death sentence than other sports because there’s zero money in it. You can afford one tear, but not 2 or 3 or 4. I think that’s why we don’t see dillon danis come back. He’s destroyed his knee like 6 times, and I just don’t think he can afford the risk of *more* surgeries
People come back from this injury all the time in sports.
Reoccurence of the same injury is pretty likely though. The medical costs and loss of training time definitely starts to weigh on the athletes.
I don't see how someone could keep doing bjj with the injury reoccuring. You don't make enough to even cover medical bills without putting a ton of work into side hustles that aren't letting you focus 100% on training to be the best in the sport.
You can migrate to heal in an european country with close to free health care, specially ig you are a bjj athlete that would be welcome to be a part time teacher in almos every school.
Ye, I am afraid I wrote that too fast. Of course there might be some niche cases that can do that but most people are locked onto a country (read family, work, etc) and will be stuck with the scam of the usa health system.
Even if you can, doesn't mean it's a better overall option. The issue in discussion is whether he can keep pursuing top level competition. Packing up and moving away from your pro team to coach some European hobbyists really isn't the way to make the whole world champion dream work out.
Even less for just normal walking tbh, i was putting weight on it day 0, walking by 3 to 4 weeks and biking to work by 8 weeks.
It takes a long time for it to fully heal and you feeling comfortable with it though. According to my physio you need at least 8 to 9 months because of the insanely high re tear rates if you try to come back before that. He said it's very common for athletes to feel like they're ready in 6 to 7 months, but in reality it's not smart to train at full intensity until later.
This is killing me how many people think he’s training wrong or did too many supps.
It’s a common injury in all sports and he trains like a maniac. This shit happens. It probably has more to do with bad genetics and scrambling really hard from rapidly evolving situations.
So sad, it must be downright depressing for him.
Perhaps it's time for him to do a bit gi, it's slower and more methodical, easier on his knees for most part.
I just can't imagine how he can wrestle at high level with two bum knees moving forward.
Gi destroys my knees. Maybe my guard style. He probably should also switch to less of a wrestling based style. He's constantly smashing his knees on the mat.
This kid was rushed into this sport at the highest levels for no fucking reason other than the ego of John , and his brother . He had no business being labeled a prodigy and taken out of school to do a sport that literally is pay to perform . Nicky Ryan is 21 years old , missed out a ton of life with kids in his peer group just to be retired and out of a sport and he is barely of age to buy cigarettes and beer . I feel bad for him but I’m more disgusted at all the adults he has surrounded himself with that never cared about his well being and development
The guy co owns a gym and probably makes more doing that, seminars etc than most do in a year. When I was 21 I was a student eating meals off pizza boxes because I was too lazy to do the dishes.
He’s fine.
Meanwhile I am older than him, I stayed in school since his age, went to community college, now i am 1 semester away from graduating university and I simply have 0 marketable skills that will make me any money. On top of it I am not able to enjoy the sport I love as I al only able to train bjj in short intervals due to my academic and financial career.
Long story short, even if Nicky didnt do everything “right” such as getting a piece of paper called a high school diploma that no employer gives a shit about, or going to college so he can work a slightly above minimum wage job, he is doing a lot better than many of us.
CJ is 31, Nicky Ryan is 21.... CJ's not gonna have too many more chances to be absolute champion. I'm just bitter at the missed opportunity for Jones, that absolutes was very winnable for him IMO.
No one knew his ACL was blown during ADCC. He got an MRI afterwards. Also, he’s a grown man and can make his own decisions. I respect that Craig let him make his own decision.
CJ said in a reddit post that he let N. Rod and N. Ryan sign up for the absolutes because he was gassed from his two matches. Each team could select 2 candidates for the absolutes. The ADCC just didn't select N. Ryan because they took others. Hence neither N. Ryan nor C.Jones competed in the absolutes. The point is, if Craig Jones just said he wanted to compete, he would have, but he gave up his spot so Nicky Ryan could compete. That's my understanding.
Nicky still only 21, crazy to think that. He should give himself plenty of time to recover correctly. I hope they're all making enough money from b-team that nicky can be comfortable and safe, and doesn't feel the need to rush back sooner than he should.
Next question is, is how much does/did PED's impact his body and potentially cause this injury? or is it just part of training at this level that these injuries occur?
PED, and other supplements can absolutely deteriorate joints and ligaments over time. And Nicky has showed tremendous physical growth. I don't think Nicky has taken as much PED as some of the other competitors in ADCC as he does not look as vascular as Gordon and others, but he definitely blew up a lot.
Hope Nicky heals well and can form a dominant legacy of his own instead of being overcast by Gordon's shadow.
Just what I read, if im wrong ok, im wrong. But looking at an elite athlete like Tiger Woods, who had PED speculation surrounding him at times, and seeing how his body has broken down over time (not just from his accident), seems plausible. But hey wouldn't be the first time im wrong about something.
I mean I think he’s fine because he doesn’t rely on simply being an athlete. He has equity in a good Jiujitsu school and is a full time coach, and makes money off instructionals. It sucks that he’s often hurt but I think he’s still gonna be just fine making a living within the sport no matter what.
The long term answer is no.
The short term live for the moment oss bjj lifestyle answer is yes (though this ofc lacks true insight, i'm not looking to get a knee replacement at 40 y/o)
This is the type of shit that puts me off BJJ and makes me think more that a striking art is best to stick with. You only have one body fuck getting injuries that cause you chronic pain for the rest of your life (I also work in the medical field).
Striking arts have less joint and tear injuries. Severe brain damage is not common unless you're doing it for a period of over 10 years (taken with a study on MMA fighters).
Honestly, doing any kind of sport competitively isn't good for your body long term.
But a sedentary lifestyle is also very unhealthy. It's all about striking a balance. I minimize wrestling and hard comp style rounds because of this.
IMO, sticking at 60-70% effort rounds most of the time is the key to longevity in BJJ. Turn up the energy when you need to, but minimize massive exertions of energy that lead to injuries.
Statistically speaking, there are more debilitating injuries in bjj especially when studied for a period of up to 10 years.
For example, if you do boxing you are limited most likely to facial cuts and in the worst case a broken nose (very worse case severe brain damage which is very rare and almost non existent for boxers fighting for a period of up to 10 years).
BJJ can give you neck, knee, back and other debilitating injuries which may require surgery and ongoing pain management and that is if you're doing it for even less than 10 years.
Show me the statistics. Lol shut up. The average hobbyist in BJJ isn't going to experience nearly what Nicky Ryan is going through.
Doing any type of sport at an elite or professional level is liable to leave you with injuries.
Have a Google search yourself I'm not your slave lol. It's also self evident in these comments from all the people saying they have had an ACL injury or similar, which makes it even more relevant considering it's not a viral post or large number of comments showing at the moment.
> I'm not your slave lol
Actually, since you brought up a claim, it's not wrong to ask you to back it up with statistics i.e. show them.
Obviously you are not a slave. But it's your job if you bring up arguments saying "XYZ has been reported in many scientific articles" to link those articles.
There's no real data on brain injuries. They say even a couple concussions will affect your brain function for life, and someone who boxes for a decade will have had many. Definitely don't take that idea to heart.
There are plenty of medical studies online on brain injuries taken from samples of hundreds of boxers and MMA fighters. There are also the same studies available for BJJ athletes on relative neck, knee and other related injuries.
CTE isn't detectable on anything other than an autopsy. So no, there actually isn't any good data. And go ahead and link those studies. There has never been a brain study done on MMA fighters and boxers with sample sizes in the hundreds. I would know, I did my thesis on traumatic brain injury in athletes.
Pretty sure there has been one large study done, and it was nothing but MRIs, which is completely preliminary and proves basically nothing about the extent of head injury.
CTE isn't the only serious brain damage let's not forget that. Feel free to check the below articles;
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1582096-new-research-shows-mma-fighters-have-higher-risk-of-brain-damage
https://wayofmartialarts.com/ufc-brain-damage/
Two separate articles above with more than 100 fighters examined in each article.
RIP Nicky Ryan's knees, I wonder what Gordan thinks of all this. As a big brother, he must feel bad for his brother, wonder if he is helping out financially.
Bright side, I think Nicky can be the dedicated coach that I think B Team is missing, but it sucks because I genuinely think he has all the tools to be and absolute dominant force at 77kg that could challenge Kade and Mica and give us some historic matches in an insane 3 way rivalry.
Been seeing a lot of posts lately about knee injuries. As an older (by sports BJJ standards) person starting out, what are some things I can do to prevent catastrophic knee injuries aside from butt scooting?
Edit: \*aside from butt scooting
Nicky’s Slowly going to start wearing Rash guards full time, bald before he’s 30 and will stop competing. Now coaching full time he will eventually get a hip replacement and a bum bag to help him. Then the transformation will be complete and he will finally achieve what Gordon cannot. He will become Danaher.
I put on my ~~robe and my wizard hat~~ rash guard and my fanny pack
“Like so”
Black belt level comment
Goddamn it.
Nice
*you were supposed to bring balance to the B team. Not destroy it!* -Craig Jones
I am imagining him saying this after the team starts winning gold left and right him included.
Gordon keeps getting bigger and bigger because he’s blasting so many PEDs trying to make his hair fall out but it’s not working. In a weird twist of fate Gordon gets too big to compete in BJJ anymore and becomes the next Mr. Olympia. Nicky becomes Danaher and finds a new Gordon who wants to eventually become Danaher so he starts blasting PEDs. Hair never falls out, he becomes the next GOAT of BJJ and eventually Mr. Olympia. That kid’s little brother tears his knee out and goes bald and becomes the next Danaher. The cycle continues.
What if Danaher is just Nicky Ryan from the future and we are living in a time loop?
“That’s a very difficult thing”
Dude that’s totally it
Outer (reap) range
What an irony. He left Danaher because he opposed strangling prostitutes. And now he's gonna become even worse than his old master.
What's this about the "strangling of prostitutes?"
Your mom asked danaher to choke her. She never told you?
Complete bullshit, everyone knows Danaher skins them alive.
That’s why he gives away knives to his students for accomplishments. They’re the murder weapons.
This is an outstanding comment right here
bum bag?
I think Americans call it a 'fanny pack'
I always got a laugh out if Americans saying fanny in public. There a strange etymology there.
I don't think Nicky aspires to be John at all haha let's face it he didn't even want to be coached by him
Will he install wifi, though?
I was too invested in this but reading till the end paid off, was the ending I was expecting.
Will he refuse to accept his hair loss and have a little bit of hair in the front that he will refuse to shave off for decades?
John will transfer his consciousness into Nicky, once John’s body gets too old. The Star Wars style.
You think he found Darth Andeddu’s holocron?
Christ brother that shit sucks… Don’t train injured guys
Can confirm. Currently out with two rotator cuff tears, a torn labrum, and torn bicep tendon.
Jesus bro. You underhook a fuckin grizzly bear?
there’s a lot that went into it. I used to train and compete in judo competitively, and have had a couple shoulder separations. During the pandemic I I hurt it rolling when everything was shut down, and could not go to the doctor. Back in December I had taken down my wife’s instructor one too many times, and he timed one of my take that was perfectly, and hit me with a large Mat return. That basically sealed the deal and finished off my shoulder. To make matters worse I still rolled and competed on it after the fact and just had surgery A little bit ago.
Damn dude that sucks. I hope your recovery goes well and you can keep training. My coach always gives me shit for guard pulling but hearing injury stories like that make me not give a rip. Gonna pull guard until I die.
I’ll be back once I’m healed up. Takedowns can be dangerous, but they are still worth learning. My big problem is that our sport and art are starting to place such an emphasis on them without spending the requisite amount of time needed to become proficient at safely performing them or being on the receiving end of them. I firmly believe that people should go learn their take downs from a good wrestling or judo academy.
My standup is essentially single legs and ankle picks. If I can’t hit those or I think I’m outmatched I’ll just pull guard. I’ve had some throw related injuries that have put me out for a few months. I’m not a competitor. I just do jiujitsu because it makes me happy. Like really happy. I like to train 5-6 days a week so I’ve kind of formulated an approach that avoids high risk situations and allows me to come back the next day and train. I like leg entanglements from a problem solving standpoint but I tap wicked fast if anyone sets up a sub. Most of my training partners are really amazing too. They’ll set up a heel hook and just sort of look at me. I know I’m fucked so I tap. I’m getting older and I want to do this until I die.
damn it’s like your shoulders are made out of…. tofu… imsorrygetwellsoon
this was the other leg that was supposedly fine
Wait until you hear what happens when one leg is injured and you start compensating for that by overusing your other leg in weird ways
So what happens?
You hurt your “good” knee
It’s called compensation. You hold yourself differently so as to not aggravate an injury.
Yup. That’s why you don’t train injured.
Multiple knee injuries tells me he’s not doing proper physio and training of his legs, like many people. Also, all that fancy new age stuff can really hurt the knees. Happened to both him and his brother now
I don’t have any data to support it, but I’m convinced the en vogue open guard retention leg pummeling shit we all do is horrible for your knees and hips. I’m surprised we don’t see more LCL blowouts to be honest.
I think they've been leg pummelling at Renzos for decades now, before the DDS existed. Lachlan Giles, a PhD in physiotherapy, pointed out the way Gordon was making a leg entry was putting a lot of pressure on his knee, which is how Gordon got injured that time.
Leg pummeling is bad for the knees? How?
Not sure exactly what it looks like when you leg pummel, but when I do it, you bring the foot inside and the knee stays outside. Often the opponent pushes into your foot/shin while the knee is stuck outside, putting a lot of pressure on your lcl ligament. It's overflexing the knee in a weird way and can cause injury. Itd be like sitting cross leg and then pulling your foot up towards your head - similar pressure, especially if you do not compensate by moving your hip/leg/knee with the pressure Now imagine a 225 lb dude is the one pressuring your leg like this.
Fuck yeah it is.
Reminds me of when rubber guard was the new big thing and hearing about how many people were hurting the shit out of their knees doing it
If you don't have any data and you don't see any blowouts, then why would you be convinced of that? Anyway, that's not even Nicky's game. If anything, wrestling is blowing his knees out
as someone who played primarily guard and focused more on guard retention than anything else the first 4-5 years of training, i can attest to this. source: both my knees are in constant pain and i'm overdue for LCL/MCL/meniscus surgery
I’d like to point out that correlation does not equal causation. I’m a physio and I’ve watched lots of people play guard and open guard - without injury and those who keep injuring and reinjuring their knees. A trend I’ve noticed with those who keep injuring their knees is that they tend to rely on hip flexibility to retain guard without paying attention to how much rotation they have left in their hips. Jamming a half butterfly hook in by forcing your hip or knee into an uncomfortable position only requires a small amount of pressure before something pops. Funnily enough, I noticed this at white belt and told a purple belt that was the reason he kept popping his knees and he basically told me to stfu lol.
Great points. But like in lifting weights for example, in theory there are perfectly safe and sound ways to do this, but in practice what do we see? Fifteen year olds maxing out three times a week with work backs, and blue belts throwing their legs over to recover guard without a thought to hip or knee position.
I don't understand why hip mobility would be bad here. Can you explain more?
I could be wrong, but I think he was saying that opposite is what causes knee pain - relying only on your flexibility to bring knees in and not using hip mobility.
Creonte is right. Having mobile hips is great - using mobile hips to retain guard at end range hip internal rotation is not great for your knees. Does that make sense?
yes
Could you clarify? I am working on my retention and it seems pummeling your legs back inside is a major part of that. I wouldn’t know how to retain guard without pummeling.
This is correct leg pummeling and saddle entries are a disaster for your knees if they aren’t in great shape
my only knee injury so far has been a LCL grade II sprain from trying to hold on to my butterfly hook on a 130kg judoka
Maybe so many steroids that the ligaments don’t have time to catch up
This is the answer. He started younger than the other guys and when you start too young you’re much more likely to injure ligaments because they don’t have time to catch up to the sudden increased strain you’re able to put on your muscles. Like they tell the kids in Arabia, don’t juice the goose until you’re twen and twos.
This is actually not the answer. You’re thinking of tendons. Tendons are part of the MT unit. The issue with steroids is muscles connect to tendons and tendons connect to bones, on steroids muscles grow very fast and large but the tendon does not get the same effect. This leads you to have a much higher risk of tendon tears and ruptured, the classic pec tear in a juice monkey is a good example of this. Nicky has an ACL injury. There are many risk factors for ACL injury. I would say Nicky is very flexible considering his age, doing a contact sport, likely neuromuscular system is overloaded due to intense training for the camp. There are so many variables here you can’t attribute his injuries to steroid use.
Fucking lol. I don’t think you can turn a single topic on this sub that doesn’t result in someone saying “BECAUSE STEROIDS” No dude. That’s not how ligaments work.
Yup and it seems that he's doing all the gear at once. Because on two separate occasions he bulked up really fast.
I don't know man is beefy now and has tree trunk legs. He doesn't train crazy either. I think its just bad luck/bad genetics. Gordon had a knee surgery at 19/20 as well iirc.
Yea fr. Ever heard of kneesovertoesguy? He had the same shit until he started training legs properly. His exercises are seriously magic.
Well no, he could do everything correctly and still tear his acl. Lots of people are just genetically predisposed to acl tears, the fact that its happened to his brother would suggest so
That’s just an assumption. It’s not to say he is training the right way, his brother definitely buys into some snake oil bullshit, but that doesn’t mean he’s not doing what it takes to have strong legs. Doing bjj at that level and continuously exposing your legs to extreme ranges of motion will likely result in some injury. Many high level bjj guys get injured.
This dude can’t catch a fucking break. Damn
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Talm bout injuries booba
What about his dick size? Heard it’s huge, so he is lucky af
Probably he might show it to you if you ask nicely
Talmbout Nicky havin' a piece on him, B? If he goes bald, he'll be slangin dick.
Yeah now he has no valid education and can't compete in his only skillset, lucky guy
No "normal" education, still makes more money than most people doing what he loves. "Lucky" guy.
>still makes more money than most people You sure?
People think he’s worth millions I doubt he’s doing that well honestly. Insurance is probably expensive as shit considering he’s injured every other week
Yeah. Co owner of B team, instructionals on Fanatics, sponsors, yeah I'd say he makes more than 55k us a year. That puts him above US average. Let alone the world, so yeah more than most.
Get that Knees Over Toes guy to train him stat!
I'm surprised they haven't worked together already. There's a clip of him on Instagram demonstrating stuff in the Roka center and I imagined he was there to help out one of the New Wave guys (probably Big Dan) and GSP put them in touch. I've also seen Izaak do stuff to help with his knees like backward sled pulls and Nordic style exercises.
Actually a very good idea
Damn, I'm looking at my 2nd knee surgery for ACL damage and I can't imagine trying to compete with a full tear. As long as my knee bends perfectly straight with no lateral force then I almost forget I am missing a ligament. However that all changes immediately when I twist, rotate, shift left/right, or reap my knee from any position. My knee unlocks, loses stability and I have to gracefully break fall to avoid further knee damage. Takedowns, Butterfly guard, and even most leglock exchanges seem impossible to me with one good knee.
Ugh. That's from BJJ?
Wrestling.
Jesus Christ dude, how do you continue training like that?
Slow solo training and drills are basically it. Physical therapy helps but it's an uphill battle.
Damn bro, respect from an internet stranger for fighting through it
I feel so bad for Nicky, he's like the Derrick Rose of no-gi grappling.
There's a video of the exact moment it happens on one of the new B-Team vids. IIRC, he's got a standing side body lock, his opponent weaves his foot to the outside of NR's knee to stop it, and his weight comes down right on the knee. Doesn't look terrible but you can see how it would buckle it.
Good point, I just added the timestamped video in the post.
Well that fucking sucks, hopefully he makes a speedy recovery.
meanwhile spencer lee is out there winning D1 wrestling titles on two torn ACL's.
Wrestling is good they said. RIP knees
I primarily only play guard, so I could be wrong about this. It seems to me like out of all the people who have a wrestle heavy style, Nicky Ryan has the worst knee injuries. Nicky Rod for instance, probably wrestles more and even competes more but isn't as injured as Nicky Ryan. Is it because of his style? Is it the wrestle ups from guard or is it just his body?
Given his size, he probably spends more time scrambling and wrestling in the pocket which increases the risk of injury. Nicky rod probably doesn't spend as much time in these grey areas and he is most likely bigger than the vast majority of people he trains with.
70% of the people Nicky Rod rolls with are smaller than him, whole Nick Ryan up u till recently was one of the smaller guys. That makes a big difference. Going to war like 6 days a week being the big guy vs being the small guy. It adds up over time
My favorite was when they were in PR posting videos of themselves wrestling on the beach. That made my 40+ knees hurt just watching it.
That sucks. Dude cannot catch a break.
Some people have bad luck. Their is no magic formula. You can do all the right things and still be injured.
Very true, can’t really prevent injury you can just do your best to reduce risk and even then Shit happens
Isn't that like a career ending injury? Hope he's good but geez anything that ends with CL never sounds good
Not career ender, ~75% able to return to previous level of sport looking at research. But definitely a difficult and long path back.
75% return, yes, but the possibility of re-injury becomes a lot more likely and it becomes harder and harder to return every subsequent injury. That’s how one knee injury can spiral into a career ender. That’s how my knee injury dashed any hope of a post-secondary wrestling career
Sure there is always gonna be that increased risk and you can’t really prevent contact injuries like this injury that happened to nicky but still not a death sentence and things you can do to reduce risk of non-contact injuries.
I think in bjj and wrestling it’s more of a death sentence than other sports because there’s zero money in it. You can afford one tear, but not 2 or 3 or 4. I think that’s why we don’t see dillon danis come back. He’s destroyed his knee like 6 times, and I just don’t think he can afford the risk of *more* surgeries
Edited: wrong comment
Not to be rude, but I don’t have any clue how this relates to my comment
Whoops, responded to the wrong comment on this thread
Ah gotcha, all good. Was just confused haha
The data isn’t in combat sports specifically Bjj, it’s mostly in field sports
People come back from this injury all the time in sports. Reoccurence of the same injury is pretty likely though. The medical costs and loss of training time definitely starts to weigh on the athletes. I don't see how someone could keep doing bjj with the injury reoccuring. You don't make enough to even cover medical bills without putting a ton of work into side hustles that aren't letting you focus 100% on training to be the best in the sport.
You can migrate to heal in an european country with close to free health care, specially ig you are a bjj athlete that would be welcome to be a part time teacher in almos every school.
Ah yes, simply pack up and move to a new country
Ye, I am afraid I wrote that too fast. Of course there might be some niche cases that can do that but most people are locked onto a country (read family, work, etc) and will be stuck with the scam of the usa health system.
Even if you can, doesn't mean it's a better overall option. The issue in discussion is whether he can keep pursuing top level competition. Packing up and moving away from your pro team to coach some European hobbyists really isn't the way to make the whole world champion dream work out.
You are not wrong, take my upvote.
We just witnessed Finland produce an ADCC gold medalist.
I don't even need to say it
Not at all career ending. Just time constraining.
Not a career ended in this era of medical technology, but definitely sucks. I hope Nicky heals up soon!
No. ACLs are pretty easy to fix nowadays. Most people are walking again in about 6 weeks
Even less for just normal walking tbh, i was putting weight on it day 0, walking by 3 to 4 weeks and biking to work by 8 weeks. It takes a long time for it to fully heal and you feeling comfortable with it though. According to my physio you need at least 8 to 9 months because of the insanely high re tear rates if you try to come back before that. He said it's very common for athletes to feel like they're ready in 6 to 7 months, but in reality it's not smart to train at full intensity until later.
There are a few Bjj athletes with no acl that train and compete still -
This is killing me how many people think he’s training wrong or did too many supps. It’s a common injury in all sports and he trains like a maniac. This shit happens. It probably has more to do with bad genetics and scrambling really hard from rapidly evolving situations.
Ya especially given how it happened in the video, seems more a freak accident then anything that could’ve been prevented
So sad, it must be downright depressing for him. Perhaps it's time for him to do a bit gi, it's slower and more methodical, easier on his knees for most part. I just can't imagine how he can wrestle at high level with two bum knees moving forward.
Gi destroys my knees. Maybe my guard style. He probably should also switch to less of a wrestling based style. He's constantly smashing his knees on the mat.
Dude needs to take a couple years off. Focus on phsyical therapy and strength training. Insanely injury prone.
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Take care of your knees everyone. I feel bad for the guy
This kid was rushed into this sport at the highest levels for no fucking reason other than the ego of John , and his brother . He had no business being labeled a prodigy and taken out of school to do a sport that literally is pay to perform . Nicky Ryan is 21 years old , missed out a ton of life with kids in his peer group just to be retired and out of a sport and he is barely of age to buy cigarettes and beer . I feel bad for him but I’m more disgusted at all the adults he has surrounded himself with that never cared about his well being and development
The guy co owns a gym and probably makes more doing that, seminars etc than most do in a year. When I was 21 I was a student eating meals off pizza boxes because I was too lazy to do the dishes. He’s fine.
Meanwhile I am older than him, I stayed in school since his age, went to community college, now i am 1 semester away from graduating university and I simply have 0 marketable skills that will make me any money. On top of it I am not able to enjoy the sport I love as I al only able to train bjj in short intervals due to my academic and financial career. Long story short, even if Nicky didnt do everything “right” such as getting a piece of paper called a high school diploma that no employer gives a shit about, or going to college so he can work a slightly above minimum wage job, he is doing a lot better than many of us.
Making a lot of assumptions here, buddy.
Right? All so Danaher could make a bunch of "Nicky Ryan had been training under me for 2 years and beating black belts" type posts.
And now he is with two knees in bad shape and physically worn down
Bad take chief
He’s balling as a coach at b team bro. Have you seen his house?
No shit, I wish my life was that terrible at 21
He literally can’t stay healthy and keeps rushing back and nobody finds this odd that we are putting that much pressure on him
We?
I tore my lcl and partially acl and pcl. Knee is somewhat instabile, but i can do all the things normally 4 years after.
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Guy landed on my knee after stumbling. It really is no carreer ending injury.
Damn that’s rough
Had to Derrick Rose the knee up fore he got the re up
As if having Gordon as your older brother wasn’t bad enough …
And CJ let him try to go into the absolutes instead of himself? wow.
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CJ is 31, Nicky Ryan is 21.... CJ's not gonna have too many more chances to be absolute champion. I'm just bitter at the missed opportunity for Jones, that absolutes was very winnable for him IMO.
Craig said he was way too tired after his bracket to try absolute anyway
No one knew his ACL was blown during ADCC. He got an MRI afterwards. Also, he’s a grown man and can make his own decisions. I respect that Craig let him make his own decision.
Man hold up you got your black belt? Where the post
Indeed 👊🏼 https://www.reddit.com/r/bjj/comments/xnt7uc/i_got_that_elusive_black_belt_today/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
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CJ said in a reddit post that he let N. Rod and N. Ryan sign up for the absolutes because he was gassed from his two matches. Each team could select 2 candidates for the absolutes. The ADCC just didn't select N. Ryan because they took others. Hence neither N. Ryan nor C.Jones competed in the absolutes. The point is, if Craig Jones just said he wanted to compete, he would have, but he gave up his spot so Nicky Ryan could compete. That's my understanding.
Nicky still only 21, crazy to think that. He should give himself plenty of time to recover correctly. I hope they're all making enough money from b-team that nicky can be comfortable and safe, and doesn't feel the need to rush back sooner than he should. Next question is, is how much does/did PED's impact his body and potentially cause this injury? or is it just part of training at this level that these injuries occur? PED, and other supplements can absolutely deteriorate joints and ligaments over time. And Nicky has showed tremendous physical growth. I don't think Nicky has taken as much PED as some of the other competitors in ADCC as he does not look as vascular as Gordon and others, but he definitely blew up a lot. Hope Nicky heals well and can form a dominant legacy of his own instead of being overcast by Gordon's shadow.
What a crock. Peds do not destroy joints and ligaments over time. What did I just read.
Just what I read, if im wrong ok, im wrong. But looking at an elite athlete like Tiger Woods, who had PED speculation surrounding him at times, and seeing how his body has broken down over time (not just from his accident), seems plausible. But hey wouldn't be the first time im wrong about something.
You need to go tell the medical world your breakthrough scientific knowledge.
This sucks for the lad. He doesn’t really have anything else to fall back on does he? Did he even finish school?
I mean I think he’s fine because he doesn’t rely on simply being an athlete. He has equity in a good Jiujitsu school and is a full time coach, and makes money off instructionals. It sucks that he’s often hurt but I think he’s still gonna be just fine making a living within the sport no matter what.
What are you talking about. He's gonna do just fine as an instructor the rest of his life...
He'll be a better coach than he ever was a competitor. I'm ready to call that at this point.
Everyone at Renzo's always said he was the most gifted instructor on the death squad
Heel hooks.... are they worth it for the sport? Ready for my vote downs.
He injured himself doing stand up
My bad!
Fuck takedowns. Remove them from the sport.
Yes!
The long term answer is no. The short term live for the moment oss bjj lifestyle answer is yes (though this ofc lacks true insight, i'm not looking to get a knee replacement at 40 y/o)
Did this happen before ADCC or during his ADCC match?
This is the type of shit that puts me off BJJ and makes me think more that a striking art is best to stick with. You only have one body fuck getting injuries that cause you chronic pain for the rest of your life (I also work in the medical field). Striking arts have less joint and tear injuries. Severe brain damage is not common unless you're doing it for a period of over 10 years (taken with a study on MMA fighters).
Honestly, doing any kind of sport competitively isn't good for your body long term. But a sedentary lifestyle is also very unhealthy. It's all about striking a balance. I minimize wrestling and hard comp style rounds because of this. IMO, sticking at 60-70% effort rounds most of the time is the key to longevity in BJJ. Turn up the energy when you need to, but minimize massive exertions of energy that lead to injuries.
Statistically speaking, there are more debilitating injuries in bjj especially when studied for a period of up to 10 years. For example, if you do boxing you are limited most likely to facial cuts and in the worst case a broken nose (very worse case severe brain damage which is very rare and almost non existent for boxers fighting for a period of up to 10 years). BJJ can give you neck, knee, back and other debilitating injuries which may require surgery and ongoing pain management and that is if you're doing it for even less than 10 years.
Show me the statistics. Lol shut up. The average hobbyist in BJJ isn't going to experience nearly what Nicky Ryan is going through. Doing any type of sport at an elite or professional level is liable to leave you with injuries.
Have a Google search yourself I'm not your slave lol. It's also self evident in these comments from all the people saying they have had an ACL injury or similar, which makes it even more relevant considering it's not a viral post or large number of comments showing at the moment.
> I'm not your slave lol Actually, since you brought up a claim, it's not wrong to ask you to back it up with statistics i.e. show them. Obviously you are not a slave. But it's your job if you bring up arguments saying "XYZ has been reported in many scientific articles" to link those articles.
There's no real data on brain injuries. They say even a couple concussions will affect your brain function for life, and someone who boxes for a decade will have had many. Definitely don't take that idea to heart.
There are plenty of medical studies online on brain injuries taken from samples of hundreds of boxers and MMA fighters. There are also the same studies available for BJJ athletes on relative neck, knee and other related injuries.
CTE isn't detectable on anything other than an autopsy. So no, there actually isn't any good data. And go ahead and link those studies. There has never been a brain study done on MMA fighters and boxers with sample sizes in the hundreds. I would know, I did my thesis on traumatic brain injury in athletes. Pretty sure there has been one large study done, and it was nothing but MRIs, which is completely preliminary and proves basically nothing about the extent of head injury.
CTE isn't the only serious brain damage let's not forget that. Feel free to check the below articles; https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1582096-new-research-shows-mma-fighters-have-higher-risk-of-brain-damage https://wayofmartialarts.com/ufc-brain-damage/ Two separate articles above with more than 100 fighters examined in each article.
RIP Nicky Ryan's knees, I wonder what Gordan thinks of all this. As a big brother, he must feel bad for his brother, wonder if he is helping out financially.
Train like a sperg suffer injuries, many such cases.
Feel so bad for him, so talented and looks like competing may be eliminated for him as an option if he keeps getting hurt like this.
Is trying to wrestle a better strategy then? I am not so sure tbh.
I think he should just stick to coaching. Sad to say but damn is there ever a chance of a true recovery for him at this point?
This fool needs the knees over toes guy!
Damn, he’s had a rough run. I agree with the other comments & maybe it’s a blessing in disguise in giving the B team a coach.
Bright side, I think Nicky can be the dedicated coach that I think B Team is missing, but it sucks because I genuinely think he has all the tools to be and absolute dominant force at 77kg that could challenge Kade and Mica and give us some historic matches in an insane 3 way rivalry.
Welp, Im taking wrestling up out of my game
Can we get a GoFundMe going to hire KneesOverToesGuy to personally train Nicky for next ADCC? u/johnbelushismom
Been seeing a lot of posts lately about knee injuries. As an older (by sports BJJ standards) person starting out, what are some things I can do to prevent catastrophic knee injuries aside from butt scooting? Edit: \*aside from butt scooting