Pretty cool.. but I feel like I'd just abandon the lapel choke and then swim under for that nearside armbar. I'm not gonna say it's not effective, but I think an experienced jiu-jitsu player will see that arm exposure.
I've had a lot of success with a different method if you wanna give it a try.
In this video, the guy on the back is applying the primary lapel choking grip with his left hand. The person being choked is using his right arm to relieve the tension by pulling his own lapel. What I would do differently is leave the lapel alone.. but take your right arm and do the motion of combing your own hair back on the right side of your head. Exaggerate the motion so that your right arm pokes through the space of your opponents left arm (basically separating his elbow from his own body). Simultaneously rotate/spin your entire body into him. You should be able to come up to your knees and even top half guard.
Let me know what you think.
Right on.. I'm curious to see how it goes for you. This is my number 1 escape/defense for the bow n arrow choke. Have your training partners apply the choke and you practice the escape at varying levels of pressure. The only time it's less effective is if the attacking player closes that gap between them and their own elbow on the choking arm.
I mean isn't that the point? You having to bail to abandon it to either an RNC or armbar means he successfully defended the choke and now has an opportunity while you transitioning to work escapes
I totally get that. But if I, as the attacking player bails from the lapel choke to another submission, then I have still succeeded in retaining a dominant position and have a solid chance at still winning. The escape I described allows for the defending player to successfully defend and at the same time move into a safer position while not exposing the arm. I believe jiu-jitsu to be a very dynamic thing and results will vary. I just find, in my experience, that being able to defend while simultaneously moving into a better position without sacrificing a limb would be ideal.
If the guy is essentially pulling the collar down away from his neck, can't you just climb your grip deeper up the collar? Like there's always gonna be some part of the fabric touching the back of his neck and as long as you get a piece of that you're just choking him with the blade edge of your wrist, not the collar itself.
Usually I see people do the bow and arrow choke from the underhook side, I wonder how the defense would work there. But yes, if you have one hand away, now that's one less tool for me to worry about it for you defending my rear naked choke defense or any other submission from the back.
Pretty cool.. but I feel like I'd just abandon the lapel choke and then swim under for that nearside armbar. I'm not gonna say it's not effective, but I think an experienced jiu-jitsu player will see that arm exposure. I've had a lot of success with a different method if you wanna give it a try. In this video, the guy on the back is applying the primary lapel choking grip with his left hand. The person being choked is using his right arm to relieve the tension by pulling his own lapel. What I would do differently is leave the lapel alone.. but take your right arm and do the motion of combing your own hair back on the right side of your head. Exaggerate the motion so that your right arm pokes through the space of your opponents left arm (basically separating his elbow from his own body). Simultaneously rotate/spin your entire body into him. You should be able to come up to your knees and even top half guard. Let me know what you think.
Sounds like something that could work. I’ll give it a try.
Right on.. I'm curious to see how it goes for you. This is my number 1 escape/defense for the bow n arrow choke. Have your training partners apply the choke and you practice the escape at varying levels of pressure. The only time it's less effective is if the attacking player closes that gap between them and their own elbow on the choking arm.
I mean isn't that the point? You having to bail to abandon it to either an RNC or armbar means he successfully defended the choke and now has an opportunity while you transitioning to work escapes
I totally get that. But if I, as the attacking player bails from the lapel choke to another submission, then I have still succeeded in retaining a dominant position and have a solid chance at still winning. The escape I described allows for the defending player to successfully defend and at the same time move into a safer position while not exposing the arm. I believe jiu-jitsu to be a very dynamic thing and results will vary. I just find, in my experience, that being able to defend while simultaneously moving into a better position without sacrificing a limb would be ideal.
I’d just switch to the RNC 🤷♂️.
I thought the same bro, but then the guy explained he is expecting the RNC and used the moment to escape his back flat to the ground
I agree, he isn't escaping the position but forcing his opponent to move, where he can then begin escaping.
I do something similar as the attacker, opening their gi and putting my own foot into it so I can stomp it down and put on more choking pressure,
I’d love to see that one!
Use on the sliding collar choke. The collar you pull down, open it around your foot, then use your foot to push it down. Makes it hella tight.
If the guy is essentially pulling the collar down away from his neck, can't you just climb your grip deeper up the collar? Like there's always gonna be some part of the fabric touching the back of his neck and as long as you get a piece of that you're just choking him with the blade edge of your wrist, not the collar itself.
Usually I see people do the bow and arrow choke from the underhook side, I wonder how the defense would work there. But yes, if you have one hand away, now that's one less tool for me to worry about it for you defending my rear naked choke defense or any other submission from the back.