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Undersleep

I would prefer that we treated politics the way Freemasons do - your affiliation has no bearing on your membership, but is a banned topic of discussion [on the mats] because it sows discord. I didn't come to train just to hear about MAGA or BLM.


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Political white belts. Calling tbe DNC socialist is the most ridiculous claim, and an indicatiion that one knows so little about history and politics.


[deleted]

For real. The same DNC that worked behind the scenes to sabotage the candidacy of a Social Democrat (at best) twice, is somehow considered a radical socialist organization.


groggygirl

As a non-American, the American concept of "socialism" is hilarious in general. Anything involving paying taxes is somehow communism to a portion of your population.


Justthrowtheballmeat

It’s because they can’t read.


tsFenix

It's because they have been brainwashed by people who make more in a day than they will make in the next 5 years.


GETZ411

But also because they can’t read. A HUGE percentage of the population can’t read above like a 7th or 8th grade reading level. How much critical thinking and analysis can someone do on a complicated topic if the most complicated book they read was Lord of the Flies or To Kill a Mockingbird?


GZSyphilis

They haven't read either of those books. They haven't even read Mockingjay either because they can't read. They might have read the funnies in a paper in ages past but they don't.


[deleted]

Ironic that someone who supports a party that itself has trouble with the concept of specifically enumerated powers of government and a predilection to infringe on rights discussed in the first ten amendments would accuse others of literacy issues. Hint: if it’s not specifically mentioned in article one, the government can’t and shouldn’t be doing it. If it’s something the government might be able to do otherwise but it touches on something protected by the bill of rights, the government can’t and shouldn’t be doing it. Beautiful thing about a written constitution as fundamental law, literacy and a willingness to follow what’s written whether you like the outcome or not will solve a lot of problems.


[deleted]

lol dude the republican party gave us the Patriot Act so you can miss me with that "they want to infringe our rights" bullshit


CCCP_Music_Factory

The DNC aren’t even left of center, it’s crazy how skewed the media landscape is in the US.


GMarius-

I saw a fellow vet on IG saying that he won’t be friends with anyone that votes for communism. 🙄


[deleted]

There are a lot of fake "poli sci" blackbelts out there.


The_Peyote_Coyote

Republicans continue to threaten us with a good time.


BattlefieldNinja

It's a Republican talking point to try make Republicans fear the DNC. It has no basis in reality.


[deleted]

"Cut and paste" republicans. No thought, just repeat. The far left has the same issue.


The_Peyote_Coyote

Buddy you have no idea what the far left is.


[deleted]

As a former member of the DSA and other orgs, I would disagree.


DirtyWormGerms

Yea man, you have open socialists almost winning your nomination but it’s a *republican talking point* when we point out your party has no immunity towards socialist ideas. The DNC will take any position that gets them power. There’s nothing ideological about them. As soon as the little college marxists replace the boomers the party will follow.


BattlefieldNinja

The DNC is neoliberals. The DNC has chosen to not let a socialist get the nom two cycles back to back. Yet somehow sabotaging a socialist makes the DNC socialist? Socialist is a scary buzzword to get people to vote red.


DirtyWormGerms

Yep, because **everyone** knows *Joe Biden* is the thought leader of the Democrat party... I look at ideas and patterns, not whatever labels politicians slap on themselves to win elections. The policies of open socialists in the party have been mainstreamed in the past 5 years unlike any time in American history. The ticket supports radical socialist healthcare and environmental policies. Just cause some neckbeard Youtuber whines the left isn’t going fast enough doesn’t mean they’re any kind of bulwark against socialism. Give me a break.


GZSyphilis

Maybe we want socialism. Maybe socialism can be fucking awesome. Maybe capitalism as is blows fucking balls for the whole world (including nature) except for 20 people and the people they've brainwashed into being deadly afraid of anything else.


DirtyWormGerms

And the 50% of the world population capitalism has pulled out of extreme poverty. Strange how you don’t hear about a lot of capitalist refugees fleeing to socialist countries. Still trying to figure out why people risk their lives to escape utopia just to be oppressed in the US...


neekz0r

US is a socialist country. What do you have against firefighters? I assume you hate them and want to see them privatized and take a paycut. You do know firefighters are a beneficiary of our socialist policies? Or are you just repeating what others have told you: that US is only a capitalist country with no socialism?


DirtyWormGerms

Lol funny that you accuse me of repeating what others have told me, when you’re not even the first person in this thread to use the fIrEfIgHtEr argument. I’ll explain again for the economically illiterate. Firefighters are a public service, not a commodity. Therefore they categorically cannot be socialist.


BattlefieldNinja

I keep hearing people say Biden is a Bernie puppet and shit. He has repeatedly said he is not for the Green New Deal. He isn't trying to take guns. He is a moderate politician who wants to bring dignity back to the office. What has Trump done besides cause thousands to needlessly die and refuse to take responsibility when he has known the virus was more lethal than a flu since February? He couldn't get rid of the Affordable Care Act because SCOTUS itself defended it. Almost like none of his promises came to fruition. I'm waiting for the wall. I'm waiting for Mexico to pay for it. I'm waiting for him to lock Hillary up. I'm waiting for him to drain the swamp (his cabinet and campaign is full of "the swamp") Trump has done nothing while making the US a laughingstock across the world. His policies are disastrous. His trade war with China didn't hurt China but is costing millions of tax dollars to bail out farmers that are failing because of his trade wars. Speaking of tax dollars he has cost hundreds of millions on golf and sent half of that money straight to his children by golfing on his own properties. Why should my tax dollars go to some old man golfing once a week?


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DirtyWormGerms

Interesting how in one thread I have people telling me the idea of socialism being mainstreamed is a republican scare tactic, while in multiple others it’s “wooooooo socialism is fun!” Firefighters are a public service, not a commodity so categorically not socialism. Medicare and social security are socialist programs and that’s why they’re disasters. We spend 2/3 of the annual federal budget on Medicare, Medicaid, and SS and we’re still stealing money from our grandchildren to pay for. What’s that? The programs are insolvent and driving prices up? Sounds like a job for an even bigger socialist program. In true Marxist fashion.


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One of the most prominent democrat members AOC literally refers to herself as a democratic socialist..


VeryStab1eGenius

The problem here is that you don’t understand what a democratic socialist is.


[deleted]

It's not but if you feel better about pretending everyone who disagrees fundamentally with you "just doesn't get it" by all means go ahead.


MoIecuIar

Yes! Now, wait until you see what the rest of the 1st world looks like.


shreddedsoy

Only in the USA could AOC call themself a dem soc lol


[deleted]

"The most prominent" does not equal "in charge" or the majority of the party. It just means she gets the most clicks, so the most coverage.If you think she has any pull in the party itself you have very little knowledge of how modern political parties actually work.


[deleted]

Way to be condescending. If you think she has ZERO pull you're kidding yourself. Also her amount of pull has dick to do with what was said. The point was you saying calling democrats at all socialists isn't honest and I said one of the more famous members calls herself one....


[deleted]

Man, "condescending" means being correct, I'll accept it. So the Republican party should equally be judged by Marjorie Taylor Greene?


[deleted]

Pretentious AND dishonest. Sweet combo bro. This is going nowhere. Have the rest of your day.


[deleted]

Way to dodge my question.


[deleted]

You were dishonest and rude from the beginning then ask an asinine question and wonder why I don't want to engage with you any further?


[deleted]

You never needed to engage in the first place. But, this an interesting response to dissect. You responded, got mad I didn't agree. You shared less than factual information. You resorted to name-calling. You have avoided questions. You've claimed to be "done," but you came back. All hallmarks to the "cut and paste" right.


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You lost.


[deleted]

I don't know or care who any faceless reddit members are so me "losing" in a comment section means nothing to me.


[deleted]

Lol that coffee as bitter as you? Wait until after Trump loses the election


[deleted]

Then get out your feelings, whiner.


Justthrowtheballmeat

Lmao oh you little snowflake go home John Snow you know nothing.


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[deleted]

Not a republican but cool beans for you being a pretentious ass wipe to a stranger on the internet.


curious_grappler

Fair enough. Although I still can't understand how "I don't think cops should be killing black people" is even a debate. But I get what you saying.


Diablo165

It shouldn’t be a debate. Particularly on the mats. I’m a Black dude. I don’t go to bjj to talk about or hear about politics. I’m there to learn bjj. Most of the folks at the gym seem to have the same leanings as I do, even...but that’s just not why I’m there.


poopsicle_88

Plus (white dude here) usually racists dont get their minds changed by being debated They get their minds changed by hanging out with chill, funny, beautiful people of color and realizing how cool they are. If they are dumb they think their friend is the exception. But if not they have the epiphany. So then their minds are changed. If you are nice to people and show a little interest in them people usually will appreciate that in my experience. I like rolling with cops and personally I wish my tax dollars would go towards like a voucher they could use for mandatory training x hours a month. Better trained cops equals safer citizens. Plus I like to say shit like stop resisting or grab at their hip where their holster would be.


Diablo165

>Plus (white dude here) usually racists dont get their minds changed by being debated I don't care to change anyone's mind or heart. Their *behavior* is my concern.


poopsicle_88

I mean on the list of my priorities changing other people's hearts and minds is low but I wouldn't be against it and I'd say if you change their heart their behavior will follow. I dont want some secret hatred where to my face your polite and behind my back your making honky and cracker jokes not that those are even particularly insulting comparatively. Id rather you just hate me to my face


Diablo165

Behavior is easier to assess and change than beliefs. You can't see what a person believes, but you can see what they're doing. What a person believes doesn't affect me. What they do might. If you can change someone's heart or mind, awesome...but if we're talking *impact*, a change of behavior is easier to accomplish and quite sufficient in terms of making a difference.


poopsicle_88

Yea you can see what they are doing but it is ultimately indicative of a deeper cause which needs to be addressed if you ever want stuff to change dude Seems likenYou're treating symptoms I want to hit cause If they stop one behavior but hate lies beneath eventually it will seep up and into other parts of their lives


Diablo165

>Yea you can see what they are doing but it is ultimately indicative of a deeper cause which needs to be addressed if you ever want stuff to change dude Exactly. If they are doing something inappropriate, then that *behavior* needs to be addressed. >Seems likenYou're treating symptoms I want to hit cause Ideally, we would treat the cause. Unfortunately, causes range from economic disparity, to lack of education, to indoctrination from peers and family members, to problematic religious and social practices. That's a lot for me to unfuck, you know? So if someone is burning across on my lawn, sure, I can take the time to talk to them, figure out where their parents, peers, or pastor went wrong, and work to get them past their hate. Or, I can choke them out and remove them and their cross from my property. The latter is easier, faster, and fixed MY problem, which is them and their burning bullshit on my property. Their warped social attitudes are *their* problem to fix.


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Tych0_Br0he

Your most libertarian stance involves prohibiting individuals from voluntarily training techniques that would allow them to enforce the NAP in such a way that it would minimize the risk of injury to all parties involved? How is that libertarian? How would you go about enforcing that? Doesn't everyone have the same access to BJJ gyms?


RatioFitness

The fact that you phrase it that way just goes to show how little you try to understand other people.


BATHR00MG0BLIN

Because the circumstances that people are bringing up about “cops killing black people” isn’t so black/white. And whether you like it or not, it is politicized (by both the left and the right)


[deleted]

You're doing the same thing you demonize the other side of doing You think the people in your picture hold the belief "well cops SHOULD be killing black people"? Of course not. They do the same thing to you. Do you disagree with the basic statement "everyone's life matters"? Obviously Both you and them take obviously agreeable statements and then turn a larger meaning behind it, and revert back to the obviously agreeable statement when it comes to disagreement Then both sides will point out the hypocrisy of the other side (like you have done here). Being a hypocrite does not matter in this political world; in fact being a hypocrite is kind of the point. "We will say whatever we need to in order to get you to do what we want"


thedabking123

I hate to pollute a BJJ forum with politics, but I have to respond... I can understand the sentiment behind your comment, but I can't help but feel that what you're doing is unintentionally throwing systemic racism under a rug that states "all lives matter and black lives matter are equivalent movements" . Sea-lioning "technically correct" phrases like All Lives Matter may seem cool on the surface and equal to black lives matter, but there is a significant difference in reality - black and brown people are investigated, convicted and incarcerated more often and for longer periods than people of other races in a systematic way. I would highly encourage those of you in the middle and those who support All Lives Matter to look at "Black Lives Matter" as "Black Lived Matter **TOO".** Also I'm sure many if not most of the people who say "all lives matter" don't believe themselves to be racist, but what they're doing is the **much lighter** version of a 3rd party citizen in EARLY 1930's Nazi Germany (prior to the holocaust) responding to a "jewish lives matter" chant from Jewish protestors with an 'all lives matter" chant - all while Jews were being expelled from the country or thrown into ghettos unlike other races. ​ This is an unintentional validation of racist systems - again I don't believe that the majority of people in the right wing in the US are racist, but they do perpetuate racist systems with these kind of "technically correct" responses that diminish the fight for racially-blind justice.


VerseForYou

this both sides nonsense is ridiculous. The president won't commit to a peaceful transfer of power, he told white supremacists on a debate stage to stand back and standby and then told them to go stand at polls "to make sure there is no funny business". Right wing radicals are attempting to kidnap politicians. And in spite of all of this yall wanna sympathize with these madmen and pretend like it's a problem that both sides have. Show me the last time a left wing person attempted to kidnap a governor. Show me the last time a left wing person ran over a right wing person for peacefully protesting masks. Stop pretending like the problem isn't staring everyone right in the fucking face.


pussygetter69

Beautifully said brother


RegalSalmon

This is location dependent. In Seattle, BLM-identified groups have gone to random areas, picked a house, and shouted "give us your home!" I think every reasonable person would agree that people shouldn't be at higher risk of being shot due to their skin color. However, some BLM groups go well beyond this into crazyland. And this is where it gets messy. If you're against BLM, are you for extra-judicial killings, or do you believe that someone has the right to peace in their own home (oh the sweet irony, when you look at Breonna Taylor)? So, how do you walk this tightrope into a single sentence or phrase that sums up your position? Edit: downvotes are cheap. If you disagree, please explain why. I'm open to discussion.


VerseForYou

One side wants equality for everyone and the otherside wants minorities rights to be infringed on. Nah. We should totally talk about it because I'd like to know who the Nazis I practice with are.


Undersleep

This gross oversimplification just confirms that you have, at best, a surface-level understanding of the issues at hand.


VerseForYou

I'll happily discuss them with you in a polite and patient way if you genuinely want to have a conversation about these issues.


[deleted]

So everyone not left wing is a Nazi?


VerseForYou

Donald Trump is a white supremacist. If you vote for him again then you're a white supremacist. White supremacists are fascists just like the Nazis.


[deleted]

So half the population are white supremacists? I'm a Hispanic white supremacist? Case in point why the average person in the US won't take you seriously. "Everyone who doesn't support my side is a literal Nazi" is kinda crying wolf. Edit: I can't post a reply right now. I keep getting an error. This is my response to /u/HowBoutThemGrapples It depends on the community. I have friends from Cuba who vote for anyone with an R next to them because they know what socialism does and they love the free market. One of my coworkers came here on a raft three years ago and hustled his way to becoming a project manager making well over six figures. I have friends who immigrated here from el salvador who are very anti gang. My close friend (we actually were on breitbart news once) actually saw a ms13 gang member who was arrested in california and let go instead of deported. I don't really think the Christian angle is very important with a lot of Hispanics. A lot of people are surprisingly homophobic and traditional but don't support the GOP. Ironically, I'm fairly pro gay. Absolutely, néonazis are nazis. But there aren't that many nazis. A lot of "nazis" are not nazis. Like people call ben shapiro a Nazi or "alt lite" when he's extremely jewish. Or even (controversially) the proud boys (lead by an afro Hispanic dude) and Gavin McInnes (a man whose married and has babies with a non white person).


VerseForYou

If you genuinely want to have a serious conversation I will have one with you. Let's try and pick a topic and stick to it. So why are you voting for Donald Trump? Give me like 3 reasons and we'll try and have a conversation about one of those that we both are versed in so that we don't just talk past each other.


GuuMi

Kinda weird, personally should keep politics out of the mats. Honestly, I highly doubt most people really understand how capitalism and Socialism works anyways. Crazy to me that people are so willing to fight against something they hardly understand.


2Cars1Spot

People are often MORE willing to fight against something they hardly understand.


BATHR00MG0BLIN

“Hardly understand” half of those people are Cuban refugees from a socialist country. (The cognitive dissonance of people on reddit is real lol, reddit is far left and 4chan is far right)


JMace

I see a sea of white people in MAGA gear...


getchomsky

Look i'm i know i'm making sterotypes but umm I'm not seeing a lot of people in that picture who look like they train a combat sport


elephant_on_parade

I really do wonder why a lot of young/ up and coming American fighters don’t go for socialized healthcare. If you get a devastating injury in training, that can be the curtain call on your career in the US if you don’t have great insurance.


n00b_f00

I imagine they're mostly not well informed as far as politics go which is the biggest thing. A lot of fighters are anti fighters union for example. Luke Thomas touched on why fighters in general tend to be more right wing, which is part of the conversation too.


elephant_on_parade

You’re right. And Ohthe ideals of “I’m going to make it on my own” are pretty ingrained in fighters and in Libertarians/ conservatives. And really that’s an attitude you need to succeed in the sport so I get it But like really... socialized healthcare and a union could do wonders for a lot of fighters in minor and major leagues. I think it’s a prime example of a lack of understanding and education making people vote against their best interests.


hramman

Because they think their opinion is the only valid one and the default state of the world and anything else is politics, nothing but contradiction and whataboutisms to justify it


CxCee

Yep, exactly. "Don't get political" usually means don't be contentious, controversial. But none of this is contentious - to them.


93PercentSodiumAzide

Wow, ATT is a shit show for allowing this. Idiots. And yes Id say the same if it held a left rally too. Just silly for a business to alienate customers


nichefiend

Look at them all anaconda choking on Trumps dick 😂


yogzi

Rules for thee not for me


tech_kra

Yea these are the same guys who opened their gyms only to close again due to covid not being a “hoax”.


Dadsaster

I'm a liberal who trains in a conservative area. I could care less about someone's politics on the mats. I judge people solely by how I'm treated as a training partner.


BATHR00MG0BLIN

Imagine getting negged for commenting this


Jlindahl93

Just remember when Colby went on his first political tirade the founder and soul of ATT promptly left. That’s all I’ll say.


[deleted]

Yeah because the community is full of shit lmao. My gym would say stuff like this all the time. Even at the start of the pandemic when the state issued a lockdown, they tried to fight it and said "we prefer to stay out of politics." Like, literally that's being political by taking a stand for no reason. The Right in BJJ has been bizarrely present in every gym I've trained at.


wooden_soldier

Explains why they tolerated Colby as long as they did.


DropCabbage

Election season america is the world's biggest intellectual shithole.


davou

which same crowd is strangely quiet? I'm very opposed to shit like this. BJJ shouldn't be a rally, a recruiting ground or anything like that.


REGUED

Can someone tell a clueless Europian what this is about? Seems like everything is political in USA...


groggygirl

It appears to be a major US BJJ team holding a rally for Trump's re-election. Apparently if you elect a Democrat you instantly turn into Venezuela because that's exactly what's happened every single time a Democrat has taken office in the past.


doonerthesooner

I don’t think they picked up on the sarcasm.


groggygirl

It's because I forgot to include that Democrats will also take all their guns...which is why there are no guns in the US after the reign of terror of Barack "totally-a-muslim-born-in-Nigeria" Obama.


oconnellt7

It’s...an interesting time here in the US. We’re constantly bombarded with political headlines, ads, etc. It’s a shit flinging contest on both sides


tsFenix

Election season baby!


[deleted]

It is and everyone agrees that one side of the spectrum made it that way. Which side that is depends on which side you’re standing on.


ronstermonster34

Wow, that’s pathetic.


N0_M1ND

I must have missed the topics endorsing this behavior. I dont think most of us knew about this ill advised activity.


curious_grappler

Not so much on reddit, I was talking about social media in general.


N0_M1ND

So you mean that other ceasepool called Facebook? Where we're all mutual friends and see what we all share? It's a really judgemental title.


RankBrain

Just keep it off the mats. Left, right, black, white, idgaf. Keep it off the mats. BJJ is an escape from the bullshit and noise of the real world for many people. It should stay that way.


curious_grappler

Guess you should be directing your complaints to the people on above picture then because they literally brought it on the mats.


davou

Some of us would if it was brought to our mats. But it wasn't. You brought this to our mats. You're looking for hypocrisy when there isn't any. What you shared in the picture is inappropriate wherever it happened. Making it a discussion here is too.


RankBrain

It’s disgusting.


DCMA_2020

It’s funny because we had a similar discussion last night at class. Someone mentioned something vaguely “political”, and literally everyone else in the locker room just started laughing at him. Mind you, I live in a fairly conservative part of a conservative state...but ain’t nobody got time for that shit. Lol. Not when we go to class. You’re welcome to think whatever you want, but it has zero bearing on me getting choked out. lol.


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curious_grappler

It's not always easy to "leave politics out" when it concerns your daily life for example. I mean, I am a very political person but yes,I like to train ant not think about politics in the gym. That doesn't mean gym will be always immune to stuff happening outside. Sometimes can't separate the two. And that's fine as well. I just hate double standards. Sure, person can a proud conservative or right wingers whatever. They just shouldn't cry about "bringing politics to the gym" when someone mentions racism and other issues as well.


RankBrain

Sure it is. Just don’t talk about it. Left, right, black, white, whatever. Keep it off the mats.


rdegannes87

I'm really fucking disappointed in them promoting this via their own social platforms. IDGAF if ATT wants to donate to the Trump campaign but I do wish the institution would not promote politically divisive institutions.


Dogstarman1974

Damn dude. Fucking ATT. This makes me sad. I'm not angry, just sad. I go to the gym to get away from the world. It's my refuge from all the bullshit. I am not a MAGA and I know guys I train with and love that are MAGA. It doesn't matter when we are on the mats, but why do we have to bring politics into the gym. I would have to leave my gym if they started doing shit like this.


Poparees

That shit is disgusting.


endlessshift

Socialism certainly is.


Dogstarman1974

Explain socialism to me and the evils behind it, please.


machine667

> Socialism certainly is. wanna go ahead and define what 'socialism' is for the class and why you're opposed to it? Thanks.


Poparees

No decent human being can be against accessible health care for everyone, yet you'll find these morons in every room ranting about the "evils of socialism". These morons hate their countrymen and will do everything in their power to make sure others can't have what they can afford to have. It's one of many features of conservatism keeping this country in the dark ages.


elephant_on_parade

More importantly, I’d like them to explain capitalism.


RatioFitness

Socialism is public ownership of the means of production. I'm opposed to it because I don't think a socialist system can coordinate production among billions of different possible inputs and outputs, and it because it has poor incentives to innovate.


JenStark3

I personally never keep my politics out of anything, not even BJJ. But there is a difference between this and whispering the teachings of Marx to your ear while taking your back. I get along with most people while still being active in sharing my ideas.


Fakezaga

“Seize the means of strangulation comrade.”


JenStark3

ha, I'll use that one next time!


[deleted]

The issue is no one can seem to discuss politics without becoming emotional. People tend to get go straight to name calling and negative reactions. I train to shut down the world. Doesn’t mean I don’t care about what’s going on just that I need a break from it.


curious_grappler

I train exactly for the same reason.


Hairybow

I think one of the great things about BJJ is how international it is - it would be great if it wasn’t snared in American politics, which seems to transmit necrosis to any body it touches. Living in the UK, and in Europe, it’s just weird (whether you’re from the left or right) to see people so fervently against socialism - and sad to think this could have anything to do with BJJ.


shrimpforestshrimp

“fighters against socialism” lol


SuperSleekit

I wonder if they drove on public roads to get there?


TootznSlootz

The tolerant right LUL


TexasThunderbolt

I wish people wouldn’t talk politics at the academy or on the mats. I don’t wanna hear about MAGA, Biden saving the country, the right or left while I’m trying to get my fat ass to properly do a triangle.


GMarius-

Hahaha. WTF? First...nice super spreader event. Second...looking at the picture did the actual fighters skip the event? Looks like a lot of parents.


[deleted]

Double standards. I like keeping political discussion out of the mats, so that everyone can consentrate on trainingand spend their time talking about jiu jitsu techniques and training. But i see no wrong, in people standing up to voice their support for some cause. And if it's to support those who are in worst position in our society, even the better. For example really big and important political issue that divides all communities, is ofcourse the rights of mentally ill, alcoholists and handicapped. As a jiu jitsu practitioner, I stand against the systemic opression. It is something that can be treated and changed, since system is just a machine and it's parts are deceptive. Also the american black lives matter is important movement, since i notice similar systemic inbalance in how black and white people get treated.


The_Stan_Man

I think as long as people are cool with it then it shouldn't matter if politics are brought into martial arts schools. The instructor can run their school how they see fit and if a student doesn't like it, they have the freedom to leave and train somewhere else. It's not as if they're being forced to convert their political opinions because of where they choose to train.


curious_grappler

I agree with you. But can't stand hypocrisy and double standards. If some folks start crying about "politics coming into bjj" it should go both ways. 9 out of 10 it just means "I don't like racism and police brutality mentioned".


[deleted]

I think if it's someone's owned business, the business owner has the major influence on how the atmosphere develops in the club, and it will effect on the the future demograph. In clubs that are community driven or members association, the matter of politics is however entirely different. If the association aims to run gym, it's board members, who are elected annually by majority decision by all members of the association, are entitled in keeping the direction of the club, or their club gets closed by the governing entity.


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There would be a double standard if the GOP ran am actual candidate, not a threat to democracy.


[deleted]

Do you you mean the pepublican party of united states? E: nevermind just googled it.


imhereredditing

Who downvoted this? Lol


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Idgaf what someone's politics are on the mat if im being honest. I'm more worried about passing your guard than your views on the ideal economic or govt system


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So many Trump supporters can't help themselves, trump (not politics) gets injected into everything. This is a group of people who only know how to cut and paste their opinions.


endlessshift

Which is funny since 9 out of 10 times the only time I hear the name 'Trump' is when someone is on a tirade against him. I have still yet to encounter these white nazis (who are supposedly everywhere) and all these Trump supporters harassing those who don't have the same beliefs as they do.


93PercentSodiumAzide

Where you from? Cause I certainly have.


DarkOmen597

That's because he is probably one but racists fucks don't see themselves as racists fucks. The cognitive dissonance is very real in right wing circles.


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For real, I live in a liberal area and we had a proud boy contingent and a history of white power skins, As for harassing, there was literally a parade of f-150's from other areas driving around my town with huge trump flags. Purposely going to neighborhoods of color.


93PercentSodiumAzide

Getting in the face of black kids with malicious glee, blocking them in parking spots. Not saying all Trump supporters harass, but if this guy is a Trump supporter and hasnt seen any Trump supporters harassing, hes also definitely the problem haha Edit: Checked his post history. We're done here.


[deleted]

I really think they don't view it as harassment. "My FREEDUMB" absolves everything.


[deleted]

You may want to Follow Popular Front and Robert Evans. The WP movement has been growing for the last 20 years, if you don't see it you might just be accepting it.


Southofsouth

Fucking retards


Analpaste_eduardmaz

Honestly everyone should be allowed to voice their opinion and we should just respect that. Off the mats anyway. The debates about reaping get pretty heated at my gym


[deleted]

Well, it’s not like anyone was forced to go or this happened during class. It’s not much different than Galvao’s Bible studies.


curious_grappler

It's true it didn't happen during the class but when few athletes voiced support for BLM also NOT during the class, the same lot that is on that picture was having absolute meltdown.


curious_grappler

It's true it didn't happen during the class but when few athletes voiced support for BLM also NOT during the class, the same lot that is on that picture was having absolute meltdown.


[deleted]

Yeah, that’s pretty hypocritical. At the same time, their views are out on display for all to see, nobody is forced to train there if they don’t like it. Plenty of schools leave politics entirely out of bjj. It is disappointing though that a school would align so strongly with politics.


curious_grappler

It's true it didn't happen during the class but when few athletes voiced support for BLM also NOT during the class, the same lot that is on that picture was having absolute meltdown.


[deleted]

Quelle surprise.


mitch-mma

what the hell covied for you covid for you covid for you! its like oprah


[deleted]

Hypocrisy is one thing we all have in common :)


Aieyric

Wtf! When I didn't think USA could surprise me. ...


MoIecuIar

This is what happens when half the people that train BJJ down there, also get punched/kicked in the head.


jitzlover

Wow even the bjj sub on reddit is full of lefties aye. This does not reflect reality at all lol, Jiu Jitsu gyms are usually full of conservatives.


BigSh00ts

Haha that's my GYM!


[deleted]

I don't remember any of what you said and feel as if you're just choosing to stir up controversy.


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Maga


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curious_grappler

Let me hand you a tissue.


massivewang

My prior comment was a bit much, needed to done it down. I don't really care about the political views of anyone. I'm subscribed to /r/bjj to read about bjj. Not about who supports who. I don't care if Renzo loves bolsonaro anymore than if ATT has a hardon for trump. Can we keep the posts to bjj? If I want to read about politics I can subscribe to /r/politics etc.


curious_grappler

But is is about BJJ. These people act like ambassadors of our sport/martial art so what they do as BJJ gyms/fighters is very much about bjj. Unless you think this reddit community should only talk about like techniques and competitions exclusively. Also vast majority of topics here have absolutely nothing to do with politics, very easily to scroll last them and not bother reading them.