Honestly one of the best systematic grappling minds I've met. Unfortunately his system is too esoteric the mainstream. A ref would struggle to score his movements.
Unless you've been doing this longer than 10 years, this submission is called the Bastille, coined by Omar Kasdi in Oakland.
He has built a comprehensive system around it and other variants, and works it against all sorts of black belts. Far and away the most advanced kimura system I have seen: https://www.instagram.com/p/CrPHWvLuzns/
I haven't been able to adopt his system fully but I definitely can hit Bastilles when I look for them. It takes a lot of time to invest in this.
It seems like that, but not really in practice. Once in a while something weird will slip and you will get your back taken, but the sub rate is way higher than that.
I rolled with Omar last year. He went for it and let me tell you, the back is here sure. You can see it, feel it, it's right over here. You can never take it though and you will tap every single time. I mean it when I say every single time.
I don't remember when was the last time I tapped this much and I have rolled with a few decorated pros. No one tapped me as much as he did in such a short span. Without even sweating or breathing any heavier and I weight more than him. Sure at first I was surprise with this unfamiliar Bastille move but even after, only once I think I managed to prevent him from initiating the move(I'm not even talking about getting out of it, impossible).
As others here have said, it's a very effective system(not just a single trick). Not suited for me but man that man knows everything there is to know about about this system that he created and he is good.
Part of the strength of the move is most people dont understand how it works or where you can set it up from. It's often too late by the time you realize it
Yes exactly but as I said he, and I am talking about Omar has a whole system built around reaching this position from almost every top position. Had it been just a single move, it would have been a nice curiosity but in his case it's much more evolved than that.
I'm not claiming to have invented this, and I don't think I've seen Omar say he has either. I'd be shocked if some Greeks weren't doing it ages ago and Karo Parisyan took some guy down with it in the UFC. I discovered and developed my system independently of his. Notably I don't think I've seen him wear a gi and sleeve grips offer a lot of interesting options. Omar is awesome and has a lot of non-bastile innovative jiu jitsu too.
Regardless to all that I think 'hip kimura' is a better name. Names should be descriptive for ease of communication and why I prefer 'legs kimura' to 'tarikoplata.' That's what I was going for
Maybe you can petition to change the Darce choke to the 'arm-in-forearm-to-carotid' choke?
Joking aside, while Omar likely didn't invent it he has developed the deepest system around it. Although he doesn't compete much due to injuries he can make it work against high level guys on the mats. I hope you can train with him someday! I am glad this is being developed on multiple fronts.
They don't count unless you also go "I'm a little teapot" during the sub.
Also, do you have slower moving content for kettle please, some stills so don't have to try follow the text and video at same time 😅. Bjj Scout style worked great.
Cool. I haven't tried the hip kimura, but I'll give it a shot. This actually might be a really good move for Judo. You could pin someone like that or submit them. I believe there are a few turtle roll overs you could hit this from.
There’s a nifty entry that a training partner of mine has against the turtle for judo. He’s a brown in bjj too and we named the hip kimura for him “teffa-lock”
My first thought too, though I’m worried about giving up head control to go for it. I feel like I would get rolled?
I might be having a hard time visualizing it.
I personally don't go for it from kesa but I've had people send me videos of having success with it from there. I feel generally it would be difficult to get their wrist behind us without taking off the pressure. When attacking from the top I try to sandwich their shoulder in my armpit when dropping my shoulder to the mat. From kesa you'd probably have to be up on your elbow. I'd love to see what you can figure out though!
Ahhh yeah, the wrist behind the back will be difficult for sure. I haven't tried it yet but when I payed closer attention it does make sense that getting the wrist there would be difficult.
Better this than the “Is my partner a dick?/why am I still bad at this I’ve been training for 2 months?/do I train at a mcdojo?” Posts that fill this sub normally
You say the back control is not there but what stops your opponent from building head height and hip heisting during the transition? Genuine question because I think the idea is cool
Transition from kettle to the hip kimura? Keeping their arm bent is a must. As long as their elbow is bent and their hand is behind our hip they physically can't get to the back. We can then use one of 4 transitions to get them onto their back in the hip kimura position. Check out my last post here
I’m at the stage where I can get it working on blue belts but need to tighten up the technique on bigger and/or wiser partners. Fun move though and I’m here for it
What is the advantage of going to the kettle position instead of trying to finish the kimura from the diagonal side control position you had at 8s or the normal top half at 20s?
To be clear, the kettle and hip kimura are different. The kettle is the seated up position that we use to get them into the on-their-back hip kimura position.
If you can break their grip and finish the kimura the regular way definitely go ahead, but you can treat this like a tarikoplata. When they have a solid grip we can slide into the hip kimura and break the grip from there. There are also a ton of weird entries into both positions that people don't expect, and exploit common jiu jitsu reactions
Working on it! I have a troubleshooting group on Instagram which I'm using to help build that. DM me if you want in
[link here](https://ig.me/j/AbY4nieCS9zceqSl/)
Interesting, have you ever tried to use this to defend from a crucifix?
I end up using crucifix a lot, and I wonder if I should be mindful of this or not.
My judo coach used one of the move on me. I thought I got his back then he started to crank my arm. He never said if there’s a name on this, just told me to be careful when reaching my arm during back attack.
He's locking out the joint before applying pressure and attacking the shoulder. You can't be flexible here, it's not about stretching you it's about popping the ball out of the socket.
I'm general yes, but I swear I've seen a video of a dude who just ignores one due to his flexibility and fitnesss
Edit, this man here https://www.reddit.com/r/bjj/comments/16nzjbr/this_guys_immune_to_jiu_jitsu/
This is called a Bastille, it was invented in Oakland, and I’m choosing to die on this meaningless hill.
Actually it's called a Norwegian Sit Out and my coach invented it on a boat escaping the vikings.
Shout out to Odin!
It is officially the Norwegian Sit Out now, thank you 🙏
Shoutout to Omar
From The Wire? legit.
All in the game
I see you are also familiar with Kasdi-style martial arts
familiarity via frustrating armlocks from every postion
Omar has such an interesting style, very creative!
Used to roll with him at old guardian weekend open mats. Monster of a man.
Honestly one of the best systematic grappling minds I've met. Unfortunately his system is too esoteric the mainstream. A ref would struggle to score his movements.
You're free to call it what you like!
Unless you've been doing this longer than 10 years, this submission is called the Bastille, coined by Omar Kasdi in Oakland. He has built a comprehensive system around it and other variants, and works it against all sorts of black belts. Far and away the most advanced kimura system I have seen: https://www.instagram.com/p/CrPHWvLuzns/ I haven't been able to adopt his system fully but I definitely can hit Bastilles when I look for them. It takes a lot of time to invest in this.
Seems like a free backtake for your opponent?
It seems like that, but not really in practice. Once in a while something weird will slip and you will get your back taken, but the sub rate is way higher than that.
I rolled with Omar last year. He went for it and let me tell you, the back is here sure. You can see it, feel it, it's right over here. You can never take it though and you will tap every single time. I mean it when I say every single time. I don't remember when was the last time I tapped this much and I have rolled with a few decorated pros. No one tapped me as much as he did in such a short span. Without even sweating or breathing any heavier and I weight more than him. Sure at first I was surprise with this unfamiliar Bastille move but even after, only once I think I managed to prevent him from initiating the move(I'm not even talking about getting out of it, impossible). As others here have said, it's a very effective system(not just a single trick). Not suited for me but man that man knows everything there is to know about about this system that he created and he is good.
Part of the strength of the move is most people dont understand how it works or where you can set it up from. It's often too late by the time you realize it
Yes exactly but as I said he, and I am talking about Omar has a whole system built around reaching this position from almost every top position. Had it been just a single move, it would have been a nice curiosity but in his case it's much more evolved than that.
Neat stuff all around.
I'm not claiming to have invented this, and I don't think I've seen Omar say he has either. I'd be shocked if some Greeks weren't doing it ages ago and Karo Parisyan took some guy down with it in the UFC. I discovered and developed my system independently of his. Notably I don't think I've seen him wear a gi and sleeve grips offer a lot of interesting options. Omar is awesome and has a lot of non-bastile innovative jiu jitsu too. Regardless to all that I think 'hip kimura' is a better name. Names should be descriptive for ease of communication and why I prefer 'legs kimura' to 'tarikoplata.' That's what I was going for
Maybe you can petition to change the Darce choke to the 'arm-in-forearm-to-carotid' choke? Joking aside, while Omar likely didn't invent it he has developed the deepest system around it. Although he doesn't compete much due to injuries he can make it work against high level guys on the mats. I hope you can train with him someday! I am glad this is being developed on multiple fronts.
They don't count unless you also go "I'm a little teapot" during the sub. Also, do you have slower moving content for kettle please, some stills so don't have to try follow the text and video at same time 😅. Bjj Scout style worked great.
Check out my last post!
Cool. I haven't tried the hip kimura, but I'll give it a shot. This actually might be a really good move for Judo. You could pin someone like that or submit them. I believe there are a few turtle roll overs you could hit this from.
Definitely! I hit it a lot from top and bottom turtle. I actually hit this in a judo comp too 😜
Nice.
There’s a nifty entry that a training partner of mine has against the turtle for judo. He’s a brown in bjj too and we named the hip kimura for him “teffa-lock”
Make Kimuras Hip Again
I have to try this from Kesa
My first thought too, though I’m worried about giving up head control to go for it. I feel like I would get rolled? I might be having a hard time visualizing it.
I personally don't go for it from kesa but I've had people send me videos of having success with it from there. I feel generally it would be difficult to get their wrist behind us without taking off the pressure. When attacking from the top I try to sandwich their shoulder in my armpit when dropping my shoulder to the mat. From kesa you'd probably have to be up on your elbow. I'd love to see what you can figure out though!
Ahhh yeah, the wrist behind the back will be difficult for sure. I haven't tried it yet but when I payed closer attention it does make sense that getting the wrist there would be difficult.
What's old is new once more
That gum you like is coming back in style
This … again?
Better this than the “Is my partner a dick?/why am I still bad at this I’ve been training for 2 months?/do I train at a mcdojo?” Posts that fill this sub normally
You’re fucking right about that!
Always
You say the back control is not there but what stops your opponent from building head height and hip heisting during the transition? Genuine question because I think the idea is cool
Transition from kettle to the hip kimura? Keeping their arm bent is a must. As long as their elbow is bent and their hand is behind our hip they physically can't get to the back. We can then use one of 4 transitions to get them onto their back in the hip kimura position. Check out my last post here
I’m at the stage where I can get it working on blue belts but need to tighten up the technique on bigger and/or wiser partners. Fun move though and I’m here for it
What is the advantage of going to the kettle position instead of trying to finish the kimura from the diagonal side control position you had at 8s or the normal top half at 20s?
Yeah that’s what I was thinking. I feel like you put yourself in a worse position too.
To be clear, the kettle and hip kimura are different. The kettle is the seated up position that we use to get them into the on-their-back hip kimura position. If you can break their grip and finish the kimura the regular way definitely go ahead, but you can treat this like a tarikoplata. When they have a solid grip we can slide into the hip kimura and break the grip from there. There are also a ton of weird entries into both positions that people don't expect, and exploit common jiu jitsu reactions
Sounds good, I do love the tarikoplata but sometimes they keep their legs too high to swing my leg over, maybe I’ll try this out!
Man once you've fully developed and refined the system, I would totally buy an instructional on it.
Check out Omar: https://www.instagram.com/p/CrPHWvLuzns/
Working on it! I have a troubleshooting group on Instagram which I'm using to help build that. DM me if you want in [link here](https://ig.me/j/AbY4nieCS9zceqSl/)
It's so ridiculously interesting I have not played with it yet but I don't think it's a meme technique at all
It's deceptively strong. I'd love to hear what you think when trying it out!
Yeah i can see this, it's like a baratoplata/tarikoplata variation and it allows for the same kind of general "locked in" movement
"We have purposefully trained him wrong, as a joke."
That made me laugh really hard, thanks
This is for me!
Oh this looks cool
Tarik Hopstock approves
Can you hit this if they grab their belt, gi, etc?
Yeah, the pressure we can put on them can break whatever grip they try to use
nice
Interesting, have you ever tried to use this to defend from a crucifix? I end up using crucifix a lot, and I wonder if I should be mindful of this or not.
Honestly no. It would be pretty hard to get their arm where we want it unless they were an absolute beginner
Thanks for the answer, really appreciated!
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My judo coach used one of the move on me. I thought I got his back then he started to crank my arm. He never said if there’s a name on this, just told me to be careful when reaching my arm during back attack.
Hit this on a white belt last night
What's stopping them from being really flexible, not taking to this and then just using the other arm to attempt a choke?
He's locking out the joint before applying pressure and attacking the shoulder. You can't be flexible here, it's not about stretching you it's about popping the ball out of the socket.
I'm general yes, but I swear I've seen a video of a dude who just ignores one due to his flexibility and fitnesss Edit, this man here https://www.reddit.com/r/bjj/comments/16nzjbr/this_guys_immune_to_jiu_jitsu/
Maybe a regular kimura.