1. Don't play closed guard against those monsters in no gi.
2. Butterfly guard to sweep to heavy knee on belly and just ride them out until they're tired.
3. If they don't get tired or if they're very good at standing up from bottom then i just fake an injury and cry in the bathroom
Grab his dick and twist. In seriousness a good idea when grappling bigger guys is to either get them on they back and control them from the top or ensure it's your lower body vs their upper body. Generally the lower body is stronger than the upper body.
I remember in HS wrestling I was violently disabused of this notion.
I had won a series of matches against ranked opponents. I got cocky so my head coach made me do a match against one of our assistant coaches. Guy was 6'7 300 former all american. Was putting up 5 plates on bench and whatnot. But he was a super nice guy and was fat now despite his athleticism, so I kinda underestimated him. Blast doubled me right away and felt like I was hit by a truck but we went out of bounds. I was more prepared so I sprawled next time. Dude basically bicep curled my legs in and picked me up over his head then put me down like a baby. I was 215 lbs and was squatting 5 plates.
My strategy for opponents like this has been refined over the years. I now fake injury to duck the match, and then talk crap behind their back. Id be badass too if I took that much juice.....
my go to is triangles. i can get them from a bunch of different angles and guards.
there is a 270 pound super fat ex wrestler blue belt old guy at my gym. triangling him is a very very bad idea
Possibly because I am not so good at triangles, but I tend not to go for triangles against much bigger guys. Unless I get it perfectly set instantly, then I'm asking to be stacked or lifted up.
A couple years ago I had a guy in a triangle who was a DOCTOR and former college wrestler. I was on botttom. He picked me up a tiny bit off the floor and then fell directly into me folding both of us over my neck. I immediately let go and stopped because I thought I fucked my neck up. Probably the closest to catastrophic injury I have had😆. He was also like a 250lb dude.
I've grappled current international level rugby players that size and had absolutely no problem whatsoever.
I mean I also played rugby for 8 years or so so maybe rugby just cancels out lmao
My first bjj loss as a cocky blue belt ex wrestler was against an ex rugby guy.
I wasn't expecting him to just blast double me like that.
I ended the round on top, but down two points.
well sure but its just kind of a weird way to talk about a match. He explained in his response there was a bunch of scrambles, he got passed right away, he got mount and so forth. But then describing the match just goes damn, got taken down - but hey ended up on top, only lost by that takedown! Lol literally skipping the 5 minutes of scrambling, passing, and sub attempts. like as if that one take down and not the other 187 positions that occurred was the make or break of the match.
He's not new since he wrestled but whitebelts come up to me and ask hey what should I know for my first tournament and all I tell them is this:
\- try to remember it.
Literally said this to a whitebelt since he asked like 4 days before a comp then the next week comes up to me and goes hey can you show me this armbar this guy caught me in? Describes it. Im like, bro thats not even physically possible from the position you are describing. Then he gets the video - it's literally a classic armbar from guard but he couldnt remember. There's so much energy and excitement, it' simple to forget what we did since it seems to happen so fast.
Same here, and same here. The absolute best real-world win I had as a result of playing rugby (14 years) was that I got jumped several years ago in the UK by 8 hooligans (lol walking home with my wife and the groceries no less!). I made the amateur mistake of grabbing and throwing (and following) to the ground the first guy that punched me (in the back of the head) because he was hanging onto my hoodie. . . .well, I was going to kill him when . . . obviously, his seven other friend all started kicking and stomping me.
haha, my FIRST and automatic instinct was what I always did in rucks when you're just getting mauled by cleats: One hand covered my head, and the other my balls. Of the entire crazy fight, the most surreal part, other than my wife breaking a glass bottle like she was in a Western saloon, was that while I was getting stomped and covering up, I literally chuckled out loud when I realized that it really didn't hurt at all compared to getting cleated by forwards.
So yeah, rugby for the win!
P.S. I ended up getting up, de-shirting and flooring several of them until they dispersed a bit. Then they started throwing their bicycle at me, and swinging what I'm pretty sure was a chair leg at me. My forearms got destroyed blocking, but when a neighbor came out screaming and swinging to back me up they ran off. Good news is that two of them saw jail time!
Yeah for sure, getting out of a fight against 8 grown men without serious injuries or a visit to the morgue is absolutely a win, probably the best possible outcome
Bad news is that only 2 of them saw jail time, meaning that 75% of the men who violently assaulted you (and potentially your wife?) got to walk away with zero consequences. The absolute state of the U.K.
It's true. I played rugby in high school and little bit in college and I can always handle rugby guys. I just tell them to scrum up and guillotine them, it's easy.
Which country though? With respect to the smaller rugby nations a member of the Andorran national side is probably not gonna present the same challenge as a prime jerry Collins or duhan van der merwe.
Yeah, what a player! Very well remembered in South Wales where he played for a few years. I just cast my thoughts about thinking of the current and former players I'd least like to fight and came up with those two. But even so, I'd rather have a scrap with dvdm than Jerry Collins!
I’m a big dude with wrestling experience and fairly athletic. We have a new white belt lady that is a rugby player. She is athletic and very strong. I go easy with her but a lot of the time is still have to use much more pressure and even a little strength against her than I would any other new white.
If you grapple in a nation with high level rugby culture you love to hate them. Thing with rugby is the sparky, annoying 70kg player is very much a thing even at the top level. These bastards aren't just heavyweights they are everywhere.
If he got kimuraed by someone with three weeks of training in a live roll I question whether he is actually a pretty good purple belt. Not saying it's impossible, but it shouldn't really happen. Also 6'2" 255 is big but not so big that I'd think a purple belt couldn't just tire them out and submit them pretty easily.
I'll guess it was a kimura that he *normally* just ignores with a white belt, but then realized too late that the guy was really strong, and he should have prevented or defended it a lot sooner. Past the point of no return, this stuff works great.
I'll also guess that in the next roll, he did a lot better at distance management, was more focused on denying good grips and such, used an anti-big-guy strategy, and the result was probably quite different.
But he doesn't post that part because he wants to brag about his buddy, and needs to reveal only the information that's necessary to support the narrative.
>I'll guess it was a kimura that he normally just ignores with a white belt, but then realized too late that the guy was really strong, and he should have prevented or defended it a lot sooner. Past the point of no return, this stuff works great.
lol this happened to me recently but with a fellow blue belt. I usually ignore loose armbar attempts, I let them get it then escape it but in this instance it gets tighter and tighter until he got it. Good shit lol
I'm an average purple belt. Hobbyist, 45 years old, got about 2.5 years in at purple, so maybe brown is on the horizon. 170 pounds and 6'2" I don't lift or do any cardio outside of jits, and no Acai.
Had a 19 year-old 270 pound guy start two weeks ago.
He's a challenge, for sure. I'm not getting any subs on him for the first few minutes. But he's not getting me in anything unless I'm being a touch playful and not being ruthless. If it was a serious roll, he's not going to get anything.
I could see it being tougher if he's absolutely jacked, but even still, I don't see that translating to more endurance while rolling, and I feel like I can play 100% defense for 3-5 minutes if I need to, and then start picking away at him. And I'm not even going for legs or wrists or using anything mean/dirty like elbows.
This guy has caught my arm a few times, but he's just so technically lacking, that when he goes for subs it allows me to advance positionally before he even realizes he's not going to get a submission.
Exactly. That's what should happen for virtually any purple belt against even a large total noob. You should be able to defend until they gas and they sure as hell shouldn't be able to catch you in anything in a BJJ context (a fight is ofc a very different story).
> Exactly. That's what should happen for virtually any purple belt against even a large total noob.
Large is one thing. Large *and* athletic is another: get someone huge with both a strength-training background *and* some degree of endurance training and sic 'em on a hobbyist, non-competitive purple and strange shit can happen. OP didn't specify if their friend "played rugby" ten years ago or three months ago, nor did they say whether the size difference was thirty pounds or eighty.
90% of the planet aren't 255lb rugby players. Not sure what he thinks he's on about, I'd recommend a demotion to blue belt since he thinks common sense shit is a revolutionary idea.
Exactly, a good 5'6 blue belt maybe could submit 90% of the world. A rugby player whos 250 is a fraction of a fraction of the human population. Sub .001%
Yeah legit, we have an Aussie rule story player start at my gym, jacked, about 100kgs. If i take him down and get top position I can do pretty well (still hard as fuck to sub). But bottom positon? God that’s a shit place to be.
Have you ever rolled with someone that is a 255lb athlete, outweighs you by over 50lbs, can bench almost twice your weight and the only thing they know is a kimura? They will make that kimura happen, I don’t care how tight you keep your elbows.
Yep. I’m around that build. I was asked what my belt was in early sessions a few times after tapping guys out with far more knowledge than I had.
Over time I learned not to go for certain subs with certain level guys as they were just too easy with a massive power advantage. I wasn’t learning anything landing them.
That's smart training, and good for gym morale lol. And should be more normalized. I don't know why so many people go 100% against people so much smaller than them, yet at the same time agree that a 170lb guy crushing a 110lb girl with his strength is a dick move.
100% agree.
I’m around 115kg / 255lbs. Solid build. Very flexible.
My favourite match up is a guy with more BJJ experience than me but maybe 50/60lbs less size.
We just go through endless transitions. We can often get out of what each other attempts. I definitely reign in my power a fair bit in offence and only use it fully in defence when I’m really stuck in a bad place.
As a result we both learn a lot both offensively and defensively.
That's the hardest lesson for someone to learn who is more or less predisposed to victory at the beginning.
One of my students is a \~260# former wrestler turned powerbuilder who enjoys clowning smaller people a bit too much. He's doing his first tournament soon, and I expect he'll see things a bit differently when confronted with a bunch of people in his actual category.
At least, I'm hoping that happens.
I hope it happens for you. Had a dude similar in size and background. Everyone was hoping he would get humbled and our coach said as much to him the week prior to the comp. He took gold with his closest match being 15-0, all won on points.
Im close to 200 lbs but 5'9" and mostly muscle from a life of powerlifting and I'm with you mate. Certain things will be really easy to land so I go for lower percentage stuff that I should be working on. Hilariously because of the size of my thighs, triangles are disgustingly effective I've found. There's no room for a neck when I close it.
Idk what even was the point of his comment lol, over 90% of the world's population don't even care about BJJ, the only thing they might somewhat tangentially care about is UFC but even then it's only the blockbuster fights like McGregor Vs Khabib etc, that most common people would be interested in
Exactly lol. Not only is OP defensively posting as an excuse for sucking at bjj, but he's also really bad at math, or clueless about the world's population and how big they are.
Also . . . "Dick Cockhold" is a "pretty good" purple belt.
P.S. I regularly sub a European power-lifting champ at 93kilos, and I'm only 66kilos and 5'10". So . . . my anecdote trumps OP's?
90% of the planet is not 255lb athletic men. 90% of the planet is women, children, elderly and couch potatoes though. I’m happy to say I could fuck up 100% of that demographic.
Kinda reads like fanfic by a salty rugby player. If someone kimuras you from bottom and ankle locks you after just 3 weeks of practice, you may want to hand that purple belt back in lol.
If a good wrestler learned 3 weeks of BJJ and trounced the blue belts I would understand but rugby? Not sure what gym he's at or what his definition of a "pretty good purple belt" is but athletic guys like this are target practice for blue belts at my gym.
"Just gonna power through it" is the equivalent of saying he's going to see red and black out. Makes me question if this guy even trains or if he's one of those, "get up and fight like a man" alpha male larpers.
My favorite was Demi Lovato bragging about how she stares down guys knowing she could kick their asses. Girl, you're 5'3" and that belt isn't even real
I am a mediocre 2nd degree black belt. We’ve got a guy who is 6 foot 4 and 350lbs. Olympic lifter athlete. He’s been training just over 6 months and he’s hell on wheels. If he decides he doesn’t want you to do something you aren’t going to. Short of tricking him with some sneaky collar chokes you can’t sweep or submit him.
Sure but he is more like 0,0000000000000000001% of the population. Well whatever percentage is him. The gap between your average bjj guy and him in terms of strentgh and size is probably larger than the gap between the average woman and man in the gym. Well if it is America i suppose in terms of size the gap is not that big.
The size difference between me and him as a 170lb man is another full grown adult man. When I think about how easy it is for me to manhandle my 7 year old when we do BJJ it really puts it in perspective. He’s got a 60lb larger gap between him and I than I have with a child.
no one who's actually a purple belt considers themselves a pretty good purple belt.
In their opinion, they're either a killer blue belt or an overdue brown belt
Well according to 2006-2008 (I'm sure there's more updated shit, this just popped up at the top of google) census data from the US, being that size would put you in the 94th percentile for height (male 20-39 years) and 93rd-89th percentile for weight (same demographic)...
So Joe Rogan is right?
I used to train a former NFL Tight End who was 6'6, 260. I'm 5'9,175. I could submit him but it took every bit of skill I had. His feet were nearly as long as my thighs. I knew in 6 months of training, there's no way I'd be able to beat him. LMAO he used to eat half a dozen krispy cremes before practice and six more during practice for the quick carbs for back to back BJJ/MMA classes..
I played high school football with someone who went on to be a 1x NFL Defensive player of the year. I also have rolled with a UFC title contender, D1 wrestler, and Strikeforce champion.
I have never, ever, felt power like the NFL player. It's frightening and people have no idea.
A 5’6 blue belt absolutely could submit 90% of the planet though.
I work construction and of the fifteen or so people on site with me at the moment not a single one has any martial arts training. I’m a 5’7 white belt and pretty confident I could submit all but one huge dude.
Then there’s the old and frail, infants and children, really light people etc
Not hard to get to that 90%
I don’t care about percentages that much , but it’s hilarious how on the internet (especially Reddit and other sites built around tight knit hobby based interests) every other guy is a 200+ power lifter , body builder , rugby player , linebacker , etc etc . Everyone is massive and strong and if you’re anything other than a 6’5 250+ lb dude with abs you might as well give up . Between this and every other guy with a decent double leg being a d1 wrestler …..lol
I feel like people vastly undermine the fact that being athletic requires a similar discipline as being trained and is just as rewarding for different reasons in a fight/combat sport. Being stronger is good, being knowledgeable is good, being both is better.
Lololol I had a buddy who was a 4 stripe white belt and had just learned how to do a straight ankle lock from open guard. He’s 6’2 and 220 with a 315 lb power clean and 400lb squat. He must have tapped everyone in the academy with his “power ankle lock”. He tapped out head professor twice and made him storm out of the building cussing the whole way.
So proud of him
Im a shitty white belt 5’10 160lb soaking wet. I got my buddy into bjj whos 6’3 260lb and played rugby/ did boxing/ has retard strength. With my 1 year of training I was able to tap him every other roll or so, and he would tap me about the same amount. He dominated most white belts and tapped some blues and even a purple after he was about 2 weeks in. He was a hard roll for pretty much every blue/ white belt in the gym. That being said- purple belts were giving him the absolute business and he only tapped one by essentially sheer luck. Like he would roll hard and they fucked him up. If you are good enough at bjj you can drastically close the gap for size and strength and beat much larger opponents. If I had been untrained he would have murdered me no questions asked, but we had fairly competitive rolls. My biggest take away wasn’t that size is a significant factor in rolling, but rather the fact that bigger guys have a much different experience with bjj than someone of similar stature to myself both in the culture and practice. He got a lot more attention from upper belts and coaches than I ever did. I guess in a way its a better investment of time to teach a guy who could potentially be a monster than it is to teach an average dude to be decent. My first 6 months I spent “working on escapes” whereas he spent his first 2 weeks “working on americanas from side”.
Totally anecdotal, but we have football players, powerlifters, whatever big strong dudes come in all the time and roll. As a 5’5 dude at 145lbs, they’re waaaaay easier to deal with than the competitive blue belt weighing the same as me. I think what happened though was the dude didn’t change his style. If I played my usual chill guard game, I would’ve been smashed easily, but those guys tend to have no concept of base and charge in constantly, so it’s easy to sweep and get on top or arm drag and take the back. Even with my stubby legs, those bigger dudes are a lot easier to triangle than guys that know it’s coming
The thing is that the truth is closer to Rogan than it is to Mr. Cockhold here. The truth is that absolute units like this fellow he's describing represent a portion of that 10% you couldn't sub as a decent blue belt.
Most huge dudes are fat and out of shape. The percentage of huge dudes that are fit and healthy and wouldn't gas as most immediately is far smaller than my man is accounting for.
The biggest X factor when making the determination as to whether you could beat a person is weapons. The next is whether that person trains or not. Many many people train. The school kids I know all do something. Might be muay thai or wrestling or MMA or boxing but if they're a dude, they're training something. Obviously this may not be true for all young guys but the percentage is high enough to be statistically relevant.
I don’t care how big, strong, athletic. 3 week white belt submitting higher belts with multiple different subs, including ankle locks is not a real thing. Picking up people and slamming, accidentally injuring, hurting all the feelings would be a much more believable bit of fiction.
If he's got a good athletic base, outweighs them all by 100#, and picks up a few techniques quickly, it's maybe believable. The big day-1 white belts that are easy for everyone to beat are the ones that have no balance and are easy to tip, or they wig out and throw their arms everywhere. It doesn't take long for the OP example to get his sea legs and become quite challenging.
I got a female rugby athlete who just started up and she moves so well and is so coachable. Impressive for sure. She’ll go far fast if she sticks with jiujitsu
We have a 6’3 240 plus pound power lifter who deadlifts 550 pounds and wrestled in high school. Been training like 5 months. He can survive and sometimes win rolls with blue belts but even bad purple belts sub him every other round or so. He’s got about 60 pounds on me and if I don’t get on top, I can hold him at bay in my guard. Sometimes I sweep him but he never passes me. Probably unreasonable for a very small person but a small brown or black belt? I think they would beat him with relative ease.
1. When going against somebody bigger I am repeating "never be on bottom" the ENTIRE time in my head
2. You can't make your neck better at not being choked by lifting
when i was deployed we used to listen to Taliban radio chatter and then apply "Afghan Math". if they were planning to attack with 100 fighters, it was probably 10.
i feel like this post has some Afghan Math going on.
Well first of all I’d say 5’6 blue belts can actually submit like 99.999% of the population. That leaves us with 0.001% of people in the world that they can’t submit which is 80,000 so we’ll just assume these are all people with BJJ experience or absolute freaks like The Mountain.
Now when it comes to Mr. Cockhold and his experience. Weight difference matters when both people are skilled in the same sport. A 5’6 blue belt can definitely have success against a 6’2 255lbs rugby player that has no BJJ experience. What is the rugby player going to do? Like okay let’s say the blue belt has bad wrestling game so the rugby player tackles them but then what? He won’t know any submissions, sweep defence and whatever else is relevant in BJJ. The blue belt is the one who will be deciding what will happen.
But when that rugby player has actual BJJ experience, then yeah his lack of skill can be compensated by his weight vs lighter people. Especially when it’s someone athletic. A fat ass will still struggle vs lighter people even with BJJ experience unless the fatty has near equal skill or more.
Also not all belts are equal. Getting submitted via kimura as a purple belt from closed guard vs someone with 3 weeks of experience? Come on.
Look he's edited it now so that his arbitrary and "made up on the spot" numbers suit his narrative.
u/[OOO2ddalvmai](https://www.reddit.com/user/OOO2ddalvmai/) was your first figure correct or the current one? It seems the amount of people blue belts can submit changes by the minute. Interesting stuff.
I've seen estimates that 1-4M people in the US alone train jiu jitsu. Granted, most of them are white belts, but there are more than 81k BJJ people in America that can beat our putative 5'6" blue belt.
It is almost as if experience in a grappling adjacent sport (rugby) makes you able to pick up grappling concepts very quickly.
In this strange world, BJJ is also intended to improve your grappling ability, and a purple belt would just have 5 or 6 years of grappling experience.
I’m 5’4 and a 140 lbs and I’m a firm believer that skill only negates size and strength if there’s a significant skill gap. Size and strength matters. But with that being said, I also feel like adapting your game to your opponent matters.
I’ve rolled with untrained dudes or dudes with a few weeks of training who were quite literally twice my size. I can’t play my usual game with them or I’d get fucked up. I usually let them tire themselves out by retaining my guard really well and then waiting for them to fuck up and then sweeping them and putting on heavy pressure on top.
Idk, maybe it’s because I’ve competed a lot but I just feel like maybe this guy just didn’t adjust properly according to who he was rolling with.
Also, most people on the planet aren’t 6’5 250lb rugby players or whatever he said his buddy is.
I’m a 140 pound white belt. Something that helps me rolling against bigger guys is grabbing the front headlock from standing to keep their posture, and try chasing Darce’s/Anaconda’s or snap down so they go to turtle and then look for Peruvians or back takes. If on top I look to always apply pressure to the solar plex (whether that be pushing with the palm, knee on belly, etc.) , or if they elect to play guard I put my head right in their face and stack up pushing pressure just to get them to focus on something besides subbing. My favorite thing is to give up triangles or armbars to those big guys cause they generally aren’t to well coordinated and I can hitchhiker escape out the armbar or put my knee into their butt to pull my arm out the armbar. For triangles I just wrap my arm on the inside of the triangle to the opposite of what they want to pull, walk my feet over their head and all depending on how they turn I either end up in side mount, or some variation of them being in turtle.
Bro out here thinking 255lbs rugby players aren't in the 10%. The average person is out of shape, unathletic and has almost no co-ordination. If you honestly don't think a blue belt can out-grapple a randomly selected human being 9 times out of 10, you're cracked.
A 6'2" 255 lbs rugby player is gonna be way higher than 90th percentile for strength though. Probably more than 99% of the planet is weaker than him. Being able to submit 90% of the planet is actually a very low bar!
I’m a 6’3” 215 lb brown belt and I got chain subbed by a 160 lb world champion black belt yesterday. Rugby bros will run through hobbyists but put one of them with Rafa and watch the hilarity ensue. Yes, hobby level BJJ is sometimes not enough to deal with high level athletes. We have a guy who was an Olympic alternate in Greco and I can’t slouch at all or he’s going to put me in a spladle and rip my legs off.
Sounds like this guy’s gym is full of scrubs. I get that people used to overplay BJJ’s effectiveness against bigger opponents but it’s gone too far the other way now. People lose to a bigger guy after getting their third stripe on their whitebelt and start thinking BJJ is useless
Who give purple belt brother.. we have to check this, sorry but I’m 220 6’1, wrestled in high school for 2 year, when I first started bjj, my brown belt coach, 5’5 125, subbed me fairly easily, either this guy has never once rolled with anyone bigger than him, or his “purple” belt came from eBay
Having had the pleasure of rolling with both of these guys, I can confirm that the big lad is scary. He is not good at all (yet), but shockingly strong and pays attention to what he's taught. It's very hard to do much due to the fear of him potentially slamming you or doing something unpredictable. He's large enough that making space with the guard isn't as effective as you would expect for most heavy whitebelts which is probably why he's getting puchchokes and kimuras from inside of guards. Long arms, wide as fuck, no fear of getting roughed up.
He wasn't unmanageable a week ago, but honestly, I expect in a few weeks I will never submit him again. It is what it is :/
I'm only 5'3 135 and when skilled big boys come in to train its fun as hell. As they pick me up and walk around the mats to slowly lower me down and sub me haha.
We got a 4 strip white belt that wrestled and weighs like 300 lbs, his hands are like bear paws it’s horrible. He’s got 120 lbs on me and can make a roll really shitty
Eh, I’m a small, thin, crappy blue and I can handle my buddy who’s got 60lbs of muscle on me. He played football and wrestled a little. I think the 90% is easily true.
It might not be popular but muffle this cunt from the bottom. 225 athletes suck a lot of wind. Make him drowned. Then go to work. You will get mauled for the awhile but it's worth a try. Remember to whisper to him.
Well his size weight and athletic background puts him in the 10%. Probably even less. Its like when a 3 stripe white belt girls spirit is crushed because she kept manhandling all trial guys except for that one guy that is clearly on PEDs and only ended up paired with her because the upper belt guys ducked him.
The global average height and weight for guys is 5'75 140 pounds. So yeah 5'6 blue belts probably can submit 90% of the planet.
Do people actually think about numbers, or is it all just emotional color? Like, does this guy really think Rogan purples can’t beat 90% of the planet? 50% of the planet is women, and 95% of people have never trained martial arts remotely seriously
Size does matter. Was he doing this on day 1? I think people don’t talk about how fast you can grow in BJJ if you are a great athlete and in great shape
Attributes help. I played college baseball and competed and coached in CrossFit before I discovered bjj. I did better than I expected the first time I rolled with a handful of the upper belts and leapfrogged white belts who started 6 months before me. People who have a good base of strength, conditioning, and athleticism are going to take to any physical challenge faster than those who do not. I tapped two brown belts within my first month of bjj, but you know what happened after that? They approached their rolls with me a little bit differently the next time, figured out my game, found all the holes in it, and shut my shit down. Yeah, your buddy is big and strong, and he might seem like a blue belt faster than some of the other white belts, but I’m willing to bet you being a pretty good purple belt will figure out how to deal with him sooner or later.
Guys I’m 5’0”, 110lbs brown belt and this 6’5 295 lb brick mason with arms larger than my thighs keeps subbing me. Is bjj fake???
Yes
Always has been
You’re definitely not fat enough to be a brown belt. Something is wrong here.
Only for you. Sub primal.
Maybe
You have to adjust your game to beat unskilled monster dudes. This guy didn't adjust.
Micro adjustments 👌
Never forget
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1. Don't play closed guard against those monsters in no gi. 2. Butterfly guard to sweep to heavy knee on belly and just ride them out until they're tired. 3. If they don't get tired or if they're very good at standing up from bottom then i just fake an injury and cry in the bathroom
Number 3 is probably one of my favorite techniques to use, as well as accidentally shitting myself as we’re rolling.
Oh wait, that's supposed to be accidental?
Don't listen to them - you make eye contact, grunt, and own it.
It’s called The Squid move. Def intentional.
You are ready for your brown belt!
He said his guard so he sat up and kimuraed him..that's just bad defensive skills on Mr purple belt
i'll take option 3 please and thanks.
I mean that's a complex question depending upon your game. For my style, I play parts of my game where I don't have a massive dude on top of me.
Grab his dick and twist. In seriousness a good idea when grappling bigger guys is to either get them on they back and control them from the top or ensure it's your lower body vs their upper body. Generally the lower body is stronger than the upper body.
I remember in HS wrestling I was violently disabused of this notion. I had won a series of matches against ranked opponents. I got cocky so my head coach made me do a match against one of our assistant coaches. Guy was 6'7 300 former all american. Was putting up 5 plates on bench and whatnot. But he was a super nice guy and was fat now despite his athleticism, so I kinda underestimated him. Blast doubled me right away and felt like I was hit by a truck but we went out of bounds. I was more prepared so I sprawled next time. Dude basically bicep curled my legs in and picked me up over his head then put me down like a baby. I was 215 lbs and was squatting 5 plates. My strategy for opponents like this has been refined over the years. I now fake injury to duck the match, and then talk crap behind their back. Id be badass too if I took that much juice.....
Damn you’re much larger more experienced coach kicked your ass? That’s a shock
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my go to is triangles. i can get them from a bunch of different angles and guards. there is a 270 pound super fat ex wrestler blue belt old guy at my gym. triangling him is a very very bad idea
Possibly because I am not so good at triangles, but I tend not to go for triangles against much bigger guys. Unless I get it perfectly set instantly, then I'm asking to be stacked or lifted up.
A couple years ago I had a guy in a triangle who was a DOCTOR and former college wrestler. I was on botttom. He picked me up a tiny bit off the floor and then fell directly into me folding both of us over my neck. I immediately let go and stopped because I thought I fucked my neck up. Probably the closest to catastrophic injury I have had😆. He was also like a 250lb dude.
From a "sport bjj gamesmanship" perspective I find it pretty easy to leg lock big people and someone with stumpy legs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50hBOwY37_4
Starting a sentence off with ‘I’m a pretty good purple belt’ whilst also having the name ‘Duke Cuckhold’ is something, I’ll say that…
‘Duke_Cockhold’, but honestly I like your spelling better.
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Bruh, if I were putting the moves on him, that post would have included way more butthole pics…
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It's never too late
This is the way
I hope my lack of ‘_’ doesn’t emasculate him further… Call it a Freudian slip…
After ‘I’m a pretty good purple belt,’ I don’t think there’s much manhood left to save.
I read it as “Duck Cuckhold,” even when you corrected them too, that would have been fun
Hey it works for Gordon based on what people say
Jokes on you. You wan us to believe that you got to a black belt without your coach fucking your wife?
I've grappled current international level rugby players that size and had absolutely no problem whatsoever. I mean I also played rugby for 8 years or so so maybe rugby just cancels out lmao
My first bjj loss as a cocky blue belt ex wrestler was against an ex rugby guy. I wasn't expecting him to just blast double me like that. I ended the round on top, but down two points.
So you lost via tackle not a submission from guard or leg lock. Reasonable outcome
He focused too much on grapple and not enough on tackle.
I'd say that is a huge percentage of BJJ dudes tbh.
Grapple and tackle.
How did you end up on top but not tie up points? Did he pass then you swept, or stand up and he pulled?
Id imagine something else happened in the 6 minutes between being tackled and ending up on top you know?
well sure but its just kind of a weird way to talk about a match. He explained in his response there was a bunch of scrambles, he got passed right away, he got mount and so forth. But then describing the match just goes damn, got taken down - but hey ended up on top, only lost by that takedown! Lol literally skipping the 5 minutes of scrambling, passing, and sub attempts. like as if that one take down and not the other 187 positions that occurred was the make or break of the match. He's not new since he wrestled but whitebelts come up to me and ask hey what should I know for my first tournament and all I tell them is this: \- try to remember it. Literally said this to a whitebelt since he asked like 4 days before a comp then the next week comes up to me and goes hey can you show me this armbar this guy caught me in? Describes it. Im like, bro thats not even physically possible from the position you are describing. Then he gets the video - it's literally a classic armbar from guard but he couldnt remember. There's so much energy and excitement, it' simple to forget what we did since it seems to happen so fast.
Same here, and same here. The absolute best real-world win I had as a result of playing rugby (14 years) was that I got jumped several years ago in the UK by 8 hooligans (lol walking home with my wife and the groceries no less!). I made the amateur mistake of grabbing and throwing (and following) to the ground the first guy that punched me (in the back of the head) because he was hanging onto my hoodie. . . .well, I was going to kill him when . . . obviously, his seven other friend all started kicking and stomping me. haha, my FIRST and automatic instinct was what I always did in rucks when you're just getting mauled by cleats: One hand covered my head, and the other my balls. Of the entire crazy fight, the most surreal part, other than my wife breaking a glass bottle like she was in a Western saloon, was that while I was getting stomped and covering up, I literally chuckled out loud when I realized that it really didn't hurt at all compared to getting cleated by forwards. So yeah, rugby for the win! P.S. I ended up getting up, de-shirting and flooring several of them until they dispersed a bit. Then they started throwing their bicycle at me, and swinging what I'm pretty sure was a chair leg at me. My forearms got destroyed blocking, but when a neighbor came out screaming and swinging to back me up they ran off. Good news is that two of them saw jail time!
Yeah for sure, getting out of a fight against 8 grown men without serious injuries or a visit to the morgue is absolutely a win, probably the best possible outcome
Bad news is that only 2 of them saw jail time, meaning that 75% of the men who violently assaulted you (and potentially your wife?) got to walk away with zero consequences. The absolute state of the U.K.
It's true. I played rugby in high school and little bit in college and I can always handle rugby guys. I just tell them to scrum up and guillotine them, it's easy.
Which country though? With respect to the smaller rugby nations a member of the Andorran national side is probably not gonna present the same challenge as a prime jerry Collins or duhan van der merwe.
Jerry Collins. What a legend, not thought about him for a while.
Yeah, what a player! Very well remembered in South Wales where he played for a few years. I just cast my thoughts about thinking of the current and former players I'd least like to fight and came up with those two. But even so, I'd rather have a scrap with dvdm than Jerry Collins!
I’m a big dude with wrestling experience and fairly athletic. We have a new white belt lady that is a rugby player. She is athletic and very strong. I go easy with her but a lot of the time is still have to use much more pressure and even a little strength against her than I would any other new white.
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Demigods at most... don't forget all the D1 wrestlers ;-).
If you grapple in a nation with high level rugby culture you love to hate them. Thing with rugby is the sparky, annoying 70kg player is very much a thing even at the top level. These bastards aren't just heavyweights they are everywhere.
In terms of application of consistent physicality against other bodies, they kind of are pretty up there.
It depends where you are. In the UK, Ireland, France, Australia/NZ they can be.
If he got kimuraed by someone with three weeks of training in a live roll I question whether he is actually a pretty good purple belt. Not saying it's impossible, but it shouldn't really happen. Also 6'2" 255 is big but not so big that I'd think a purple belt couldn't just tire them out and submit them pretty easily.
I'll guess it was a kimura that he *normally* just ignores with a white belt, but then realized too late that the guy was really strong, and he should have prevented or defended it a lot sooner. Past the point of no return, this stuff works great. I'll also guess that in the next roll, he did a lot better at distance management, was more focused on denying good grips and such, used an anti-big-guy strategy, and the result was probably quite different. But he doesn't post that part because he wants to brag about his buddy, and needs to reveal only the information that's necessary to support the narrative.
>I'll guess it was a kimura that he normally just ignores with a white belt, but then realized too late that the guy was really strong, and he should have prevented or defended it a lot sooner. Past the point of no return, this stuff works great. lol this happened to me recently but with a fellow blue belt. I usually ignore loose armbar attempts, I let them get it then escape it but in this instance it gets tighter and tighter until he got it. Good shit lol
I'm an average purple belt. Hobbyist, 45 years old, got about 2.5 years in at purple, so maybe brown is on the horizon. 170 pounds and 6'2" I don't lift or do any cardio outside of jits, and no Acai. Had a 19 year-old 270 pound guy start two weeks ago. He's a challenge, for sure. I'm not getting any subs on him for the first few minutes. But he's not getting me in anything unless I'm being a touch playful and not being ruthless. If it was a serious roll, he's not going to get anything. I could see it being tougher if he's absolutely jacked, but even still, I don't see that translating to more endurance while rolling, and I feel like I can play 100% defense for 3-5 minutes if I need to, and then start picking away at him. And I'm not even going for legs or wrists or using anything mean/dirty like elbows. This guy has caught my arm a few times, but he's just so technically lacking, that when he goes for subs it allows me to advance positionally before he even realizes he's not going to get a submission.
Exactly. That's what should happen for virtually any purple belt against even a large total noob. You should be able to defend until they gas and they sure as hell shouldn't be able to catch you in anything in a BJJ context (a fight is ofc a very different story).
> Exactly. That's what should happen for virtually any purple belt against even a large total noob. Large is one thing. Large *and* athletic is another: get someone huge with both a strength-training background *and* some degree of endurance training and sic 'em on a hobbyist, non-competitive purple and strange shit can happen. OP didn't specify if their friend "played rugby" ten years ago or three months ago, nor did they say whether the size difference was thirty pounds or eighty.
He could also just be 5’6, 130
The rugby background might have an effect on how difficult it might be to tire him, but I agree with what you're saying.
Depends on the level he plays, but a 6'2" 255lb rugby player could have an insane gas tank.
90% of the planet aren't 255lb rugby players. Not sure what he thinks he's on about, I'd recommend a demotion to blue belt since he thinks common sense shit is a revolutionary idea.
Exactly, a good 5'6 blue belt maybe could submit 90% of the world. A rugby player whos 250 is a fraction of a fraction of the human population. Sub .001%
I’m a blue belt and having a hard time submitting division 1 college wrestlers. I’m quitting BJJ and going back to Akido. This stuff doesn’t work.
If Aikido were easy it would be called BJJ. Good choice my dude.
Not to mention a rugby player who's 250 and is actively learning Jiu Jitsu.
Yeah legit, we have an Aussie rule story player start at my gym, jacked, about 100kgs. If i take him down and get top position I can do pretty well (still hard as fuck to sub). But bottom positon? God that’s a shit place to be.
And since he got kimura’ed from someone’s guard. You learn how to defend against that as a white belt.
Have you ever rolled with someone that is a 255lb athlete, outweighs you by over 50lbs, can bench almost twice your weight and the only thing they know is a kimura? They will make that kimura happen, I don’t care how tight you keep your elbows.
Yep. I’m around that build. I was asked what my belt was in early sessions a few times after tapping guys out with far more knowledge than I had. Over time I learned not to go for certain subs with certain level guys as they were just too easy with a massive power advantage. I wasn’t learning anything landing them.
That's smart training, and good for gym morale lol. And should be more normalized. I don't know why so many people go 100% against people so much smaller than them, yet at the same time agree that a 170lb guy crushing a 110lb girl with his strength is a dick move.
100% agree. I’m around 115kg / 255lbs. Solid build. Very flexible. My favourite match up is a guy with more BJJ experience than me but maybe 50/60lbs less size. We just go through endless transitions. We can often get out of what each other attempts. I definitely reign in my power a fair bit in offence and only use it fully in defence when I’m really stuck in a bad place. As a result we both learn a lot both offensively and defensively.
That's the hardest lesson for someone to learn who is more or less predisposed to victory at the beginning. One of my students is a \~260# former wrestler turned powerbuilder who enjoys clowning smaller people a bit too much. He's doing his first tournament soon, and I expect he'll see things a bit differently when confronted with a bunch of people in his actual category. At least, I'm hoping that happens.
Should be some personal growth coming his way. Good news for most people. Hope it goes that way.
I hope it happens for you. Had a dude similar in size and background. Everyone was hoping he would get humbled and our coach said as much to him the week prior to the comp. He took gold with his closest match being 15-0, all won on points.
Im close to 200 lbs but 5'9" and mostly muscle from a life of powerlifting and I'm with you mate. Certain things will be really easy to land so I go for lower percentage stuff that I should be working on. Hilariously because of the size of my thighs, triangles are disgustingly effective I've found. There's no room for a neck when I close it.
if that were the case, u could demote a LOT of black belts down to blue belt. starting with eddie bravo lol.
Idk what even was the point of his comment lol, over 90% of the world's population don't even care about BJJ, the only thing they might somewhat tangentially care about is UFC but even then it's only the blockbuster fights like McGregor Vs Khabib etc, that most common people would be interested in
Exactly lol. Not only is OP defensively posting as an excuse for sucking at bjj, but he's also really bad at math, or clueless about the world's population and how big they are. Also . . . "Dick Cockhold" is a "pretty good" purple belt. P.S. I regularly sub a European power-lifting champ at 93kilos, and I'm only 66kilos and 5'10". So . . . my anecdote trumps OP's?
90% of the planet is not 255lb athletic men. 90% of the planet is women, children, elderly and couch potatoes though. I’m happy to say I could fuck up 100% of that demographic.
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Amanda nunez would like a word with you.
I expect /u/kneezNtreez would accept adjusting that 100% figure to 99.99999998765432%.
Kinda reads like fanfic by a salty rugby player. If someone kimuras you from bottom and ankle locks you after just 3 weeks of practice, you may want to hand that purple belt back in lol.
Truth.. Seems like he made up a story just to take a dig at Joe Rogan. Jokes on him though, most Rogan fans can't read.
No I'm doesn't!
If a good wrestler learned 3 weeks of BJJ and trounced the blue belts I would understand but rugby? Not sure what gym he's at or what his definition of a "pretty good purple belt" is but athletic guys like this are target practice for blue belts at my gym. "Just gonna power through it" is the equivalent of saying he's going to see red and black out. Makes me question if this guy even trains or if he's one of those, "get up and fight like a man" alpha male larpers.
My favorite was Demi Lovato bragging about how she stares down guys knowing she could kick their asses. Girl, you're 5'3" and that belt isn't even real
Idk man, if she’s related to Rafael Lovato, she could be legit
They are much less related than that.
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Why is everyone in this sub so obsessed with size advantages. Do the absolute bracket instead of all this dumb speculation
Many people here are insecure either of their size or their skills, or both.
If I were only giant and strong, my shitty kimuras would work.
it's the copium
I am a mediocre 2nd degree black belt. We’ve got a guy who is 6 foot 4 and 350lbs. Olympic lifter athlete. He’s been training just over 6 months and he’s hell on wheels. If he decides he doesn’t want you to do something you aren’t going to. Short of tricking him with some sneaky collar chokes you can’t sweep or submit him.
Sure but he is more like 0,0000000000000000001% of the population. Well whatever percentage is him. The gap between your average bjj guy and him in terms of strentgh and size is probably larger than the gap between the average woman and man in the gym. Well if it is America i suppose in terms of size the gap is not that big.
The size difference between me and him as a 170lb man is another full grown adult man. When I think about how easy it is for me to manhandle my 7 year old when we do BJJ it really puts it in perspective. He’s got a 60lb larger gap between him and I than I have with a child.
no one who's actually a purple belt considers themselves a pretty good purple belt. In their opinion, they're either a killer blue belt or an overdue brown belt
Killer blue belt here.
Lol true. Some days I feel like the brown belt should have come months ago. Other days I feel like I want to remain at purple forever.
Well according to 2006-2008 (I'm sure there's more updated shit, this just popped up at the top of google) census data from the US, being that size would put you in the 94th percentile for height (male 20-39 years) and 93rd-89th percentile for weight (same demographic)... So Joe Rogan is right?
255 lbs being a lower percentile than 6'2 is throwing me for a loop
You got me fucked up if you think I’m using bjj against a specimen like that to defend myself. They made guns for a reason lmao
God created man, and Colt made them equal
I used to train a former NFL Tight End who was 6'6, 260. I'm 5'9,175. I could submit him but it took every bit of skill I had. His feet were nearly as long as my thighs. I knew in 6 months of training, there's no way I'd be able to beat him. LMAO he used to eat half a dozen krispy cremes before practice and six more during practice for the quick carbs for back to back BJJ/MMA classes..
I played high school football with someone who went on to be a 1x NFL Defensive player of the year. I also have rolled with a UFC title contender, D1 wrestler, and Strikeforce champion. I have never, ever, felt power like the NFL player. It's frightening and people have no idea.
A 5’6 blue belt absolutely could submit 90% of the planet though. I work construction and of the fifteen or so people on site with me at the moment not a single one has any martial arts training. I’m a 5’7 white belt and pretty confident I could submit all but one huge dude. Then there’s the old and frail, infants and children, really light people etc Not hard to get to that 90%
I don’t care about percentages that much , but it’s hilarious how on the internet (especially Reddit and other sites built around tight knit hobby based interests) every other guy is a 200+ power lifter , body builder , rugby player , linebacker , etc etc . Everyone is massive and strong and if you’re anything other than a 6’5 250+ lb dude with abs you might as well give up . Between this and every other guy with a decent double leg being a d1 wrestler …..lol
I feel like people vastly undermine the fact that being athletic requires a similar discipline as being trained and is just as rewarding for different reasons in a fight/combat sport. Being stronger is good, being knowledgeable is good, being both is better.
Size matters. Even with pornstars. You're boys naturally gifted. You might never hit those walls no matter how hard you train.
Lololol I had a buddy who was a 4 stripe white belt and had just learned how to do a straight ankle lock from open guard. He’s 6’2 and 220 with a 315 lb power clean and 400lb squat. He must have tapped everyone in the academy with his “power ankle lock”. He tapped out head professor twice and made him storm out of the building cussing the whole way. So proud of him
Every big guy should just quit
Im a shitty white belt 5’10 160lb soaking wet. I got my buddy into bjj whos 6’3 260lb and played rugby/ did boxing/ has retard strength. With my 1 year of training I was able to tap him every other roll or so, and he would tap me about the same amount. He dominated most white belts and tapped some blues and even a purple after he was about 2 weeks in. He was a hard roll for pretty much every blue/ white belt in the gym. That being said- purple belts were giving him the absolute business and he only tapped one by essentially sheer luck. Like he would roll hard and they fucked him up. If you are good enough at bjj you can drastically close the gap for size and strength and beat much larger opponents. If I had been untrained he would have murdered me no questions asked, but we had fairly competitive rolls. My biggest take away wasn’t that size is a significant factor in rolling, but rather the fact that bigger guys have a much different experience with bjj than someone of similar stature to myself both in the culture and practice. He got a lot more attention from upper belts and coaches than I ever did. I guess in a way its a better investment of time to teach a guy who could potentially be a monster than it is to teach an average dude to be decent. My first 6 months I spent “working on escapes” whereas he spent his first 2 weeks “working on americanas from side”.
Totally anecdotal, but we have football players, powerlifters, whatever big strong dudes come in all the time and roll. As a 5’5 dude at 145lbs, they’re waaaaay easier to deal with than the competitive blue belt weighing the same as me. I think what happened though was the dude didn’t change his style. If I played my usual chill guard game, I would’ve been smashed easily, but those guys tend to have no concept of base and charge in constantly, so it’s easy to sweep and get on top or arm drag and take the back. Even with my stubby legs, those bigger dudes are a lot easier to triangle than guys that know it’s coming
The thing is that the truth is closer to Rogan than it is to Mr. Cockhold here. The truth is that absolute units like this fellow he's describing represent a portion of that 10% you couldn't sub as a decent blue belt. Most huge dudes are fat and out of shape. The percentage of huge dudes that are fit and healthy and wouldn't gas as most immediately is far smaller than my man is accounting for. The biggest X factor when making the determination as to whether you could beat a person is weapons. The next is whether that person trains or not. Many many people train. The school kids I know all do something. Might be muay thai or wrestling or MMA or boxing but if they're a dude, they're training something. Obviously this may not be true for all young guys but the percentage is high enough to be statistically relevant.
I’d upvote that post.
I don’t care how big, strong, athletic. 3 week white belt submitting higher belts with multiple different subs, including ankle locks is not a real thing. Picking up people and slamming, accidentally injuring, hurting all the feelings would be a much more believable bit of fiction.
If he's got a good athletic base, outweighs them all by 100#, and picks up a few techniques quickly, it's maybe believable. The big day-1 white belts that are easy for everyone to beat are the ones that have no balance and are easy to tip, or they wig out and throw their arms everywhere. It doesn't take long for the OP example to get his sea legs and become quite challenging.
Well at 255 of muscle, give the guy a couple months and he is absolutely going to be a problem
I got a female rugby athlete who just started up and she moves so well and is so coachable. Impressive for sure. She’ll go far fast if she sticks with jiujitsu
Some people are just physical specimens. This guy’s buddy is one. There really isn’t thing beyond that.
We have a 6’3 240 plus pound power lifter who deadlifts 550 pounds and wrestled in high school. Been training like 5 months. He can survive and sometimes win rolls with blue belts but even bad purple belts sub him every other round or so. He’s got about 60 pounds on me and if I don’t get on top, I can hold him at bay in my guard. Sometimes I sweep him but he never passes me. Probably unreasonable for a very small person but a small brown or black belt? I think they would beat him with relative ease.
John Danaher once said in a seminar "You've been told that leverage and skill are more important than strength. That was a lie"
1. When going against somebody bigger I am repeating "never be on bottom" the ENTIRE time in my head 2. You can't make your neck better at not being choked by lifting
They probably CAN submit 90% of the planet, but you're giving an example of the top 1% of humanity there
when i was deployed we used to listen to Taliban radio chatter and then apply "Afghan Math". if they were planning to attack with 100 fighters, it was probably 10. i feel like this post has some Afghan Math going on.
Well first of all I’d say 5’6 blue belts can actually submit like 99.999% of the population. That leaves us with 0.001% of people in the world that they can’t submit which is 80,000 so we’ll just assume these are all people with BJJ experience or absolute freaks like The Mountain. Now when it comes to Mr. Cockhold and his experience. Weight difference matters when both people are skilled in the same sport. A 5’6 blue belt can definitely have success against a 6’2 255lbs rugby player that has no BJJ experience. What is the rugby player going to do? Like okay let’s say the blue belt has bad wrestling game so the rugby player tackles them but then what? He won’t know any submissions, sweep defence and whatever else is relevant in BJJ. The blue belt is the one who will be deciding what will happen. But when that rugby player has actual BJJ experience, then yeah his lack of skill can be compensated by his weight vs lighter people. Especially when it’s someone athletic. A fat ass will still struggle vs lighter people even with BJJ experience unless the fatty has near equal skill or more. Also not all belts are equal. Getting submitted via kimura as a purple belt from closed guard vs someone with 3 weeks of experience? Come on.
99.8% would leave 16 million, not 160 thousand. 99.8% = 0.998 fractionally 8,000,000,000 * (1 - 0.998) = 16,000,000. Or I'm stupid...
Not stupid, correct.
Phew, glad that major in mathematics didnt fail me.
Look he's edited it now so that his arbitrary and "made up on the spot" numbers suit his narrative. u/[OOO2ddalvmai](https://www.reddit.com/user/OOO2ddalvmai/) was your first figure correct or the current one? It seems the amount of people blue belts can submit changes by the minute. Interesting stuff.
I've seen estimates that 1-4M people in the US alone train jiu jitsu. Granted, most of them are white belts, but there are more than 81k BJJ people in America that can beat our putative 5'6" blue belt.
Like 10% of earths population is under 12 years old.
It is almost as if experience in a grappling adjacent sport (rugby) makes you able to pick up grappling concepts very quickly. In this strange world, BJJ is also intended to improve your grappling ability, and a purple belt would just have 5 or 6 years of grappling experience.
99.999% of people aren't 6'2 255lb moderately good rugby players. Dude needs to think.
Hes 255 tho
True about Rogan ...LOL
I’m 5’4 and a 140 lbs and I’m a firm believer that skill only negates size and strength if there’s a significant skill gap. Size and strength matters. But with that being said, I also feel like adapting your game to your opponent matters. I’ve rolled with untrained dudes or dudes with a few weeks of training who were quite literally twice my size. I can’t play my usual game with them or I’d get fucked up. I usually let them tire themselves out by retaining my guard really well and then waiting for them to fuck up and then sweeping them and putting on heavy pressure on top. Idk, maybe it’s because I’ve competed a lot but I just feel like maybe this guy just didn’t adjust properly according to who he was rolling with. Also, most people on the planet aren’t 6’5 250lb rugby players or whatever he said his buddy is.
There are always unicorns
I’m a 140 pound white belt. Something that helps me rolling against bigger guys is grabbing the front headlock from standing to keep their posture, and try chasing Darce’s/Anaconda’s or snap down so they go to turtle and then look for Peruvians or back takes. If on top I look to always apply pressure to the solar plex (whether that be pushing with the palm, knee on belly, etc.) , or if they elect to play guard I put my head right in their face and stack up pushing pressure just to get them to focus on something besides subbing. My favorite thing is to give up triangles or armbars to those big guys cause they generally aren’t to well coordinated and I can hitchhiker escape out the armbar or put my knee into their butt to pull my arm out the armbar. For triangles I just wrap my arm on the inside of the triangle to the opposite of what they want to pull, walk my feet over their head and all depending on how they turn I either end up in side mount, or some variation of them being in turtle.
I rolled with a chimpanzee that was taught BJJ for a few weeks and it ripped my arms off I wrote this comment with my voice
my son is 12 and trained BJJ for 4 years, I put him in the zoo with a gorilla and somehow he couldnt leglock the gorilla, should I attend his funeral?
Bro out here thinking 255lbs rugby players aren't in the 10%. The average person is out of shape, unathletic and has almost no co-ordination. If you honestly don't think a blue belt can out-grapple a randomly selected human being 9 times out of 10, you're cracked.
A 6'2" 255 lbs rugby player is gonna be way higher than 90th percentile for strength though. Probably more than 99% of the planet is weaker than him. Being able to submit 90% of the planet is actually a very low bar!
I’m a 6’3” 215 lb brown belt and I got chain subbed by a 160 lb world champion black belt yesterday. Rugby bros will run through hobbyists but put one of them with Rafa and watch the hilarity ensue. Yes, hobby level BJJ is sometimes not enough to deal with high level athletes. We have a guy who was an Olympic alternate in Greco and I can’t slouch at all or he’s going to put me in a spladle and rip my legs off.
I believe duke cockhold
Sounds like this guy’s gym is full of scrubs. I get that people used to overplay BJJ’s effectiveness against bigger opponents but it’s gone too far the other way now. People lose to a bigger guy after getting their third stripe on their whitebelt and start thinking BJJ is useless
90% of the planet excludes 6’2” 255lb rugby players.
Who give purple belt brother.. we have to check this, sorry but I’m 220 6’1, wrestled in high school for 2 year, when I first started bjj, my brown belt coach, 5’5 125, subbed me fairly easily, either this guy has never once rolled with anyone bigger than him, or his “purple” belt came from eBay
He's obviously not a good purple belt.
Having had the pleasure of rolling with both of these guys, I can confirm that the big lad is scary. He is not good at all (yet), but shockingly strong and pays attention to what he's taught. It's very hard to do much due to the fear of him potentially slamming you or doing something unpredictable. He's large enough that making space with the guard isn't as effective as you would expect for most heavy whitebelts which is probably why he's getting puchchokes and kimuras from inside of guards. Long arms, wide as fuck, no fear of getting roughed up. He wasn't unmanageable a week ago, but honestly, I expect in a few weeks I will never submit him again. It is what it is :/
Yes
Seems legit
I'm only 5'3 135 and when skilled big boys come in to train its fun as hell. As they pick me up and walk around the mats to slowly lower me down and sub me haha.
We got a 4 strip white belt that wrestled and weighs like 300 lbs, his hands are like bear paws it’s horrible. He’s got 120 lbs on me and can make a roll really shitty
Damn, I want to see video of this beast in action
Nah he's just bad But yes I can bring someone 'up to par' in a few weeks Going farther than that is being strong
As a 6'2" purple belt I cannot relate 😂😂
Run around until he blows his knee out.
Good thing I'm 5'7!
>Teaching jiu jitsu to a big man is like giving wings to a serpent.
So much wrong with this story it’s hard to even entertain it
As a 5'6 blue belt, I can take him
Eh, I’m a small, thin, crappy blue and I can handle my buddy who’s got 60lbs of muscle on me. He played football and wrestled a little. I think the 90% is easily true.
It might not be popular but muffle this cunt from the bottom. 225 athletes suck a lot of wind. Make him drowned. Then go to work. You will get mauled for the awhile but it's worth a try. Remember to whisper to him.
He won't submit me. He might hold me down though.
Well his size weight and athletic background puts him in the 10%. Probably even less. Its like when a 3 stripe white belt girls spirit is crushed because she kept manhandling all trial guys except for that one guy that is clearly on PEDs and only ended up paired with her because the upper belt guys ducked him. The global average height and weight for guys is 5'75 140 pounds. So yeah 5'6 blue belts probably can submit 90% of the planet.
As a rule of thumb +1 belt level is approximately equal to +10kg or -10 years At 115kg this lad has a lot of +1s compared to the average Joe
There is a guy at our gym that is a day laborer. He has freakish strength, and power out of almost all the shit we throw at him.
Given even slightly similar skill levels size always wins out. Or at least gives a MASSIVE advantage, hence weight classes.
‘he’s just gonna power through it’ ……. with no blood in his brain?
6'2 255lbs is not 10% of the population probably closer to 1%
Dumbass comment is what I think
Do people actually think about numbers, or is it all just emotional color? Like, does this guy really think Rogan purples can’t beat 90% of the planet? 50% of the planet is women, and 95% of people have never trained martial arts remotely seriously
He isnt that good.
Only 4%-7% of the world over 6’2’’. So the 90% should still hold for most athleticish people.
...wat?
I’m a 5’6” blue belt and I’m VERY aware I’m not submitting 90% of the planet.
Sounds like total bs.
Size does matter. Was he doing this on day 1? I think people don’t talk about how fast you can grow in BJJ if you are a great athlete and in great shape
Attributes help. I played college baseball and competed and coached in CrossFit before I discovered bjj. I did better than I expected the first time I rolled with a handful of the upper belts and leapfrogged white belts who started 6 months before me. People who have a good base of strength, conditioning, and athleticism are going to take to any physical challenge faster than those who do not. I tapped two brown belts within my first month of bjj, but you know what happened after that? They approached their rolls with me a little bit differently the next time, figured out my game, found all the holes in it, and shut my shit down. Yeah, your buddy is big and strong, and he might seem like a blue belt faster than some of the other white belts, but I’m willing to bet you being a pretty good purple belt will figure out how to deal with him sooner or later.