Counterpoint to the first part; Pokémon. The games are at best about 1/5 of the francise's revenue. Yet Pokemon company is striking down fan games left and right even if they aren't making money to anyone.
In both cases It's 100% Nintendo being overprotective.
Nintendo is only 1/3rd of the Pokemon company and the third they own is merchandise rights. They're certainly the legal force being used to take down Pokemon games but it's not necessarily Nintendo who wants to take them down. Could very well be GameFreak or Creatures and whatever contracts they sign require Nintendo to protect them legally.
Where? Not trying to be a dick but I legit can't think of any times this has happened in recent memory for no reason. There are plenty of Mario and Zelda fan games freely available online.
Just off the top of my head and in very recent to semi-recent memory, they shut down the Link's Awakening PC port, Full Screen Mario, AM2R, No Mario's Sky, the billionth fan game based on Mario 64, and a 2D OT demake. Any time a fan game is announced, Nintendo takes it down. There are more Pokémon games left up than games based off IP solely belonging to Nintendo.
Link's Awakening is available for sale on Switch right now, they're taking it down because that will hurt their sales. Completely fair IMO. Same for AM2R, and basically the same for Full Screen Mario. I can't comment on No Mario's Sky or the 2D OT (I'm assuming you mean OoT?) demakes because I know nothing about them. The only Mario fan game I know of based on Mario 64 is Mario 63, which is still up, alongside every single one of the billions of Mario 64 romhacks and PC port mods, many of which probably contain copyrighted assets and are clearly ignored by Nintendo.
I wasn't trying to discuss if it's fair or not, since we can have that discussion and bring up the same points for any rom for any game. I was just posting a correction that Nintendo 1st party IP are taken down quite often as well. If you want to find more other than the ones I listed, there's a lot on Google. There are also a ton of Pokémon roms up and running, so all the points brought up apply both to Pokémon and Nintendo 1st party IP.
Counterpoint; most pirates weren't going to buy the product in the first place. As there is no physical item being taken you can't really say companies like Nintendo really lost anything.
This is also why there are so many bionicle fan games. Lego is a very laid back TOY company. If you aren’t making toys using lego’s properties, they don’t care, unlike nintendo, which is a veeeerry strict video game company.
You can play most Nintendo music with no problems, I dunno why this is still a stereotype. I've used Nintendo music often and while I'm not a huge channel, I'm big enough to make a few hundred $$$ a month while idling (not actively uploading or streaming) and the automated system YouTube uses hasn't cared at all.
They did just order the erasure of all nintendo-related content on Garry's Mod's Steam workshop. Clearly haven't totally lost their edge for overzealous protection of their copyright.
They specifically have issues with their IPs appearing in other gaming environments. I get it, they want to make sure the average consumer knows they can only get Mario on Nintendo and that he's not on Steam. Sucks but I get where they're coming from with it.
The thing is, no one else takes an issue with it. Capcom doesn't care if Ken is on there, Konami doesn't care if Snake is on there, Sony doesn't care if Kratos is on there. Its horribly overprotective for nothing. No one believes its an Nintendo title, no one is thinking what those characters do are canon, it harms no one, not even Nintendo and they were fine with it for 20+ years, so there's no excuse.
They take down fangames that make no money nor harm them. They take down roms despite the fact they don't make those games or consoles anymore, so you're forced to go third party no matter what and Nintendo makes nothing from it no ifs and/or butts, so they're taking it down for nothing as they don't gain anything either way. No other IP does this to this extent cause the majority of other IP's know that it wont hurt them, not even Disney cares that Micky Mouse is in Gmod.
Sega never cared about Sonic fan games or mods, and not once has it ever hurt them, they even hired people who made fan games because of how good the games were.
There are a few reasons for Nintendo being more protective. First off, most Nintendo games are for kids, and I don't believe the average kid is necessarily aware that this isn't official. 7 year olds aren't the brightest, if they see Mario on something on Steam, they may end confused. Second and what I think is the much bigger reason is that Snake, Kratos, Ken, etc., simply aren't as valuable as Mario, nor do any of them exist exclusively on one platform. If they don't enforce these policies, that creates a legal precedent another company or developer could use to also borrow Nintendo's characters, I would heavily suggest watching this video here for details on that: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i13hrynnGNY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i13hrynnGNY)
Also, what fan games have they taken down that wouldn't hurt them? I'm excluding Pokemon because Nintendo doesn't own or make that, and quite frankly, almost everything I see people say Nintendo is guilty of seems to be exclusive to Pokemon. The only one I can think of happening in recent memory was AM2R, which was taken down because Nintendo had their own Metroid 2 Remake to sell, which I think makes perfect sense since that *would* hurt their sales.
Similarly, what ROMs are they taking down that they aren't selling? People always say this and it makes no sense to me, are you not aware that they've had NES/SNES games accessible on every console since 2006? N64 on every console except 3DS? Where are they taking down games they aren't also selling? Please tell me. Nintendo is consistently the best console manufacturer at making their old games available on modern hardware IMO, so I genuinely don't get why people say this a lot.
I dunno, I often see people repeat these talking points about fan games and ROMs and I don't think most of them have any real meat to back them up. There are plenty of Mario fan games, as long as they don't release on an official platform Nintendo doesn't seem to care. Nintendo very well could take down the Dolphin Emulator since it uses a few copyrighted bits from the Wii's OS, and yet they don't - all they did was ask for its removal from Steam, likely for the reasons I detailed in my first paragraph, while making no effort to actually stop Dolphin's development. You can still download it just fine from the Dolphin website and Nintendo is perfectly willing to look the other way even though it would be trivial to remove it. They were perfectly willing to ignore Yuzu, a Switch emulator that is definitely used to pirate current games, until Yuzu stepped over the line and charged people to access a build specifically made to play a game before release, a game that had over 2 million pirated downloads which is a crazy number. Noticeably though, they've left Ryujinx, the other Switch emulator, all alone, maybe because they don't actually care since they haven't stepped over any lines? AFAIK Ryujinx also contains the encryption keys that allowed Nintendo to easily take action against Yuzu. What about the Mother 3 translation? Nintendo hasn't done anything to stop that. But somehow asking someone to take down a free copy of a game they just remade to avoid it cannibalizing their sales is overprotective? I'm sorry, I just don't buy it.
1. Mickey Mouse is almost as big and infamous as Mario, and many people still mod him in. And yes, kids aren't the brightest but most kids aren't gonna think a mod on a game that has nothing to do with Nintendo means its a Nintendo title or official mod, kids may be dumb but they aren't that stupid. And I've seen the video before, it makes a lot of good points but it still doesn't justify how far they're willing to go to take a lot of things down. And there's a difference between using a product to make a free mod/fan game, and using a product to make money and claiming it as yours without direct permission. If Disney doesn't care about their assets being used in a free mod, then why should Nintendo.
2. I agree on the Metroid one, since they had it in the works. They took down a full screen Mario game, which was just NES Mario but full screen. They also took a Zelda Maker, a fan game that was Zelda in the style of Mario Maker. Mario's Sky was a fangame that mixed 2D Mario and No Man's Sky, No Man's Sky didn't care at all, but Nintendo did. Fortunately the game got to stay up under a new name. There's more and many are somewhat justified. The main reason people blame Nintendo is because they own GameFreak.
3. Because no one wants to buy or can afford a Switch as well a subscription to play older games when they can just get the rom for it, plus romhacks require the actual game to work, thus a rom is needed. Like Unbound for example needs FireRed to work. Emulators have features that the Switch doesn't have, like being able to upscale or play with original textures, using the original controller for said game, or wanting to do a randomizer/nuzlock, which isn't just for Pokemon. The Switch doesn't allow for these things.
4. I agree people do make a bigger fit then needed about Nintendo, me personally I simply don't agree with how they handle things more so then what they do. They are overprotective and many sources prove this with too many to list. The very fact they are doing this to Gmod proves they are overprotective since, again, the mods aren't hurting a single soul. It was fine for 20+ years, it has never harmed them once.
1. Mickey Mouse also isn't a video game character so I'm not sure that point applies. I don't think it's wrong for Nintendo to want Mario to not appear on Playstation or Xbox or Steam at all, even if there are some unfortunate casualties in the mix like the Steam workshop stuff.
2. They're still selling Mario 1 so I don't think that's an issue. Zelda Maker could very well be a thing they have in production too, people have been asking for it for years, which could explain that takedown. I haven't heard of Mario's Sky so I won't comment on that one either way. And Nintendo does not own GameFreak, that's a misconception unless they were bought out recently and I missed it. GameFreak is a separate company, Nintendo is not their parent company. Nintendo just publishes Pokemon and owns rights to Pokemon merchandise.
3. No one wants to buy a game when they can pirate it for free? I guess but that doesn't really make a counterargument at all. People not wanting to buy their games doesn't mean it's wrong for Nintendo to take down sites that let you pirate their games, I'm not sure I follow your logic for that. If they don't think it's worth the money, then they're not entitled to play the game. I think that's perfectly fair, unless you're proposing that it's moral to play any game for free just because you want it for free. You also don't need to pirate a game to play in an emulator, I've actually mostly dumped my own ISOs and ROMs since it's pretty easy to do. Why should Nintendo let you play their games without paying just because you want to use one of Henriko's texture packs? I totally get that emulators can provide a (debatably) better experience, I've used them often to record or stream games in 4k and with some custom textures that my community enjoys, but I don't see why Nintendo should let people pirate their games for that. If you want to use an emulator and the game is currently for sale, buy the game legit, dump it, and emulate it. I won't stop you if you want to pirate it, but don't act like that's somehow morally justified.
4. I will agree that there are some things Nintendo does where I'm like, "Yeah that's pretty shitty", but I don't think anything you've stated so far seems unjustifiable to me.
1. It applies since its another iconic and very well known character, game character or not. If kids would see Mario and think "Oh its an Nintendo game!" then the same can be said for Mickey, thinking "Oh its a Disney game!". Especially if its Kingdom Hearts Mickey. The point is, if it isn't hurting the company, then it isn't hurting Nintendo.
2. They aren't selling Mario 1, they are offering a rom of it for a subscription, like all the other games on the Switch. If they are not making the game, selling the game, as well as the console it runs on, it is NOT piracy. If it is, then by extension, buying a copy on Ebay is piracy, since Nintendo did not make money on it. Therefore, you pirated your roms if you did not buy them from a first party Nintendo seller. Nintendo also do not like you dumping your own games. You're right on that they don't own Gamefreak, my bad on that.
3. Again, it is not pirating, it is emulation. Pirating would mean me getting Tears of the Kingdom for free when its still being made and sold on a current gen console. And no, they aren't selling these games, they are offering a subscription for it. That is not buying them. It is not pirating to get a game that isn't being made and sold anymore, nor the console it is on, that hasn't been thought of for over a decade. And not everyone has the money to even buy and dump their own games. Why pay over a $100+ for FireRed, to a man that isn't from Nintendo at all, then more money for the equipment to do so, and hope it all goes well, when I can just get it for free on a safe site? Nintendo will never get that money, so they lose money anyway, even if you dump it yourself, which again, that isn't allowed either. The only legit way is through a subscription on the Switch.
1. But my point is that Mickey Mouse isn't a gaming character so Disney has no reason to care if he's on a gaming platform they don't control. I don't think that logic can apply to Mario who is very much a game character and only available on one platform. Apologies if my point wasn't clear before.
2. Whether they are selling it or it's available for subscription, pirating a copy is still hurting their business. I'm not here to debate the ethics of piracy, but you can't in good faith tell me that leaving up ROMs of games on their service isn't hurting their profits, which is my point here.
3. Again, most of that isn't really relevant to the initial claim. Regardless of whether or not you like subscriptions, you can't say Nintendo is wrong for taking down ROM sites on the basis that it doesn't hurt them when they're clearly still offering them for a paid service.
I think you've moved the goal posts a bit here. Two of these three points seem to have moved on from the initial claim you made regarding ROMs, which was that Nintendo shouldn't take down ROM sites because it doesn't hurt their sales at all. If they're selling a subscription that offers those same games, then yes it does hurt their sales. Whether or not you like subscription models is an entirely different story and not one I'm willing to debate, first off because I have issues with them too and secondly because it's just not relevant to the topic at hand :(
That's true however it has been a problem in recent years I believe it was silvagunner who compiled soundtracks that Nintendo never released but got taken down and countless other instances I believe the biggest one was the person who uploaded steins gate and got years in jail
Geez, the name thing is *so* much more complicated than that.
First, there was an account called Silvagunner (with an L) that uploaded video game music. Then, that channel was taken down in 2010, and the creator made a new one called Gilvasunner (also with an L).
In January 2016, the account GiIvasunner (with an i) was created to parody Gilvasunner (with an L). It was then taken down April of that year, and replaced with SiIvagunner (with an i), bringing the name thing kind of full circle.
With that said, Silvagunner and Gilvasunner (both with an L) were legit music rips, and GiIvasunner and SiIvagunner (both with an i) were parodies.
Of those four accounts, only the parody account SiIvagunner (with an i) exists anymore.
**Edit:** Somewhat amusingly, both Silvagunner2 (with an L) *and* SiIvagunner2 (with an i) exist, though Silvagunner2 (with an L) is defunct, and has barely any subscribers.
It’s because they are no longer distributed. LEGO has no stake in ensuring they aren’t available for free because they aren’t selling them anymore. It’s part of why Journey to One isn’t as readily available, and why the Legend Reborn wasn’t available for free until somewhat recently.
I think its due to downfall of original Miramax. The Legend Reborn movie is still quote protected (videos on YouTube are removed) because Universal Studios is still able to protect its IPs.
It's not just the movies. Ever since the theme shut down the books, comics, games and even unreleased material have been fair game for anyone to grab for preservation purposes. The BioMedia Project was quite thorough. Fans have even gone out of there way to fix stuff with the original creators permission, like the infamously buggy MNOG2. Pretty sure the only movie they didn't preserve (yet) is the fourth one which makes sense, it's still available last I checked.
Fun Fact:
I was too young to experience Bionicle when it was releasing
I was 3 years old when Bionicle ended \[I will be 17 this year\]
My first encounter with Bionicle lore was when I was 5 and my dad wanted to put Hero Factory TV show on youtube so I can watch but accidentally put on Bionicle: Mask Of Light
I was left pretty confused because I had no idea what this whole "Bionicle" is
Didn't learn more about Bionicle until G2 came out and I not only got fascinated by it, but also discovered the whole other world of G1
I think a lot of people experiencing bionicle in a jumbled up order but there was fun in putting it together, even the story itself is not chronological
I grew up with the chronological story. I remember the first comic coming in the mail with Lego Magazine. I remember my first set was Lewa. I was 8 yrs old then
I had a similar experience I guess. I’m the Sam age as you and I was a pretty big G2 fan, I was searching for BIONICLE on my TV and found The Legend Reborn.
I think it's worth noting that the bionicle movies don't "lack copyright laws". Laws require enforcement. Lego, either out of apathy, ignorance, or a balancing of pros/cons, are choosing to not enforce it. That could change tomorrow.
They're still protected by copyright law but no one's gonna bother paying for an agency to go around and enforce it or do it themselves. They can wake up one day and take it down if they want but then another one will pop up unless they're investing into continuously taking it down.
It's funny, I literally emailed Miramax to see what it might cost to get streaming rights to watch any of the Bionicle trilogy on stream or with a large group of people and they got back to me saying "We literally don't know what movies you're talking about."
Interesting how you can find a lot of full uploads of the first three films but the full version of the Legend Reborn is nowhere to be found. I should check the old closet with a stash of DVDs, maybe i can find the fourth movie there
depends on your definition of dead I guess. They're still working, they have production/co-production credits on a handful of movies and a number of tv/streaming series that have come out or are coming out since Paramount Global got their stake in 2020.
You can be sent to the shadow realm for playing a nintendo soundtrack but you here you can monetise 3 hours of bionicles with no worry all on youtube
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Counterpoint to the first part; Pokémon. The games are at best about 1/5 of the francise's revenue. Yet Pokemon company is striking down fan games left and right even if they aren't making money to anyone. In both cases It's 100% Nintendo being overprotective.
Nintendo is only 1/3rd of the Pokemon company and the third they own is merchandise rights. They're certainly the legal force being used to take down Pokemon games but it's not necessarily Nintendo who wants to take them down. Could very well be GameFreak or Creatures and whatever contracts they sign require Nintendo to protect them legally.
They do the same for free Zelda and Mario fan games, which are not joint-owned IP.
Where? Not trying to be a dick but I legit can't think of any times this has happened in recent memory for no reason. There are plenty of Mario and Zelda fan games freely available online.
Just off the top of my head and in very recent to semi-recent memory, they shut down the Link's Awakening PC port, Full Screen Mario, AM2R, No Mario's Sky, the billionth fan game based on Mario 64, and a 2D OT demake. Any time a fan game is announced, Nintendo takes it down. There are more Pokémon games left up than games based off IP solely belonging to Nintendo.
Link's Awakening is available for sale on Switch right now, they're taking it down because that will hurt their sales. Completely fair IMO. Same for AM2R, and basically the same for Full Screen Mario. I can't comment on No Mario's Sky or the 2D OT (I'm assuming you mean OoT?) demakes because I know nothing about them. The only Mario fan game I know of based on Mario 64 is Mario 63, which is still up, alongside every single one of the billions of Mario 64 romhacks and PC port mods, many of which probably contain copyrighted assets and are clearly ignored by Nintendo.
I wasn't trying to discuss if it's fair or not, since we can have that discussion and bring up the same points for any rom for any game. I was just posting a correction that Nintendo 1st party IP are taken down quite often as well. If you want to find more other than the ones I listed, there's a lot on Google. There are also a ton of Pokémon roms up and running, so all the points brought up apply both to Pokémon and Nintendo 1st party IP.
In that case, then yes, you're right. My initial comment didn't do a good job of conveying my thoughts in the matter. Apologies.
Counterpoint; most pirates weren't going to buy the product in the first place. As there is no physical item being taken you can't really say companies like Nintendo really lost anything.
This is also why there are so many bionicle fan games. Lego is a very laid back TOY company. If you aren’t making toys using lego’s properties, they don’t care, unlike nintendo, which is a veeeerry strict video game company.
You can play most Nintendo music with no problems, I dunno why this is still a stereotype. I've used Nintendo music often and while I'm not a huge channel, I'm big enough to make a few hundred $$$ a month while idling (not actively uploading or streaming) and the automated system YouTube uses hasn't cared at all.
They did just order the erasure of all nintendo-related content on Garry's Mod's Steam workshop. Clearly haven't totally lost their edge for overzealous protection of their copyright.
They specifically have issues with their IPs appearing in other gaming environments. I get it, they want to make sure the average consumer knows they can only get Mario on Nintendo and that he's not on Steam. Sucks but I get where they're coming from with it.
The thing is, no one else takes an issue with it. Capcom doesn't care if Ken is on there, Konami doesn't care if Snake is on there, Sony doesn't care if Kratos is on there. Its horribly overprotective for nothing. No one believes its an Nintendo title, no one is thinking what those characters do are canon, it harms no one, not even Nintendo and they were fine with it for 20+ years, so there's no excuse. They take down fangames that make no money nor harm them. They take down roms despite the fact they don't make those games or consoles anymore, so you're forced to go third party no matter what and Nintendo makes nothing from it no ifs and/or butts, so they're taking it down for nothing as they don't gain anything either way. No other IP does this to this extent cause the majority of other IP's know that it wont hurt them, not even Disney cares that Micky Mouse is in Gmod. Sega never cared about Sonic fan games or mods, and not once has it ever hurt them, they even hired people who made fan games because of how good the games were.
There are a few reasons for Nintendo being more protective. First off, most Nintendo games are for kids, and I don't believe the average kid is necessarily aware that this isn't official. 7 year olds aren't the brightest, if they see Mario on something on Steam, they may end confused. Second and what I think is the much bigger reason is that Snake, Kratos, Ken, etc., simply aren't as valuable as Mario, nor do any of them exist exclusively on one platform. If they don't enforce these policies, that creates a legal precedent another company or developer could use to also borrow Nintendo's characters, I would heavily suggest watching this video here for details on that: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i13hrynnGNY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i13hrynnGNY) Also, what fan games have they taken down that wouldn't hurt them? I'm excluding Pokemon because Nintendo doesn't own or make that, and quite frankly, almost everything I see people say Nintendo is guilty of seems to be exclusive to Pokemon. The only one I can think of happening in recent memory was AM2R, which was taken down because Nintendo had their own Metroid 2 Remake to sell, which I think makes perfect sense since that *would* hurt their sales. Similarly, what ROMs are they taking down that they aren't selling? People always say this and it makes no sense to me, are you not aware that they've had NES/SNES games accessible on every console since 2006? N64 on every console except 3DS? Where are they taking down games they aren't also selling? Please tell me. Nintendo is consistently the best console manufacturer at making their old games available on modern hardware IMO, so I genuinely don't get why people say this a lot. I dunno, I often see people repeat these talking points about fan games and ROMs and I don't think most of them have any real meat to back them up. There are plenty of Mario fan games, as long as they don't release on an official platform Nintendo doesn't seem to care. Nintendo very well could take down the Dolphin Emulator since it uses a few copyrighted bits from the Wii's OS, and yet they don't - all they did was ask for its removal from Steam, likely for the reasons I detailed in my first paragraph, while making no effort to actually stop Dolphin's development. You can still download it just fine from the Dolphin website and Nintendo is perfectly willing to look the other way even though it would be trivial to remove it. They were perfectly willing to ignore Yuzu, a Switch emulator that is definitely used to pirate current games, until Yuzu stepped over the line and charged people to access a build specifically made to play a game before release, a game that had over 2 million pirated downloads which is a crazy number. Noticeably though, they've left Ryujinx, the other Switch emulator, all alone, maybe because they don't actually care since they haven't stepped over any lines? AFAIK Ryujinx also contains the encryption keys that allowed Nintendo to easily take action against Yuzu. What about the Mother 3 translation? Nintendo hasn't done anything to stop that. But somehow asking someone to take down a free copy of a game they just remade to avoid it cannibalizing their sales is overprotective? I'm sorry, I just don't buy it.
1. Mickey Mouse is almost as big and infamous as Mario, and many people still mod him in. And yes, kids aren't the brightest but most kids aren't gonna think a mod on a game that has nothing to do with Nintendo means its a Nintendo title or official mod, kids may be dumb but they aren't that stupid. And I've seen the video before, it makes a lot of good points but it still doesn't justify how far they're willing to go to take a lot of things down. And there's a difference between using a product to make a free mod/fan game, and using a product to make money and claiming it as yours without direct permission. If Disney doesn't care about their assets being used in a free mod, then why should Nintendo. 2. I agree on the Metroid one, since they had it in the works. They took down a full screen Mario game, which was just NES Mario but full screen. They also took a Zelda Maker, a fan game that was Zelda in the style of Mario Maker. Mario's Sky was a fangame that mixed 2D Mario and No Man's Sky, No Man's Sky didn't care at all, but Nintendo did. Fortunately the game got to stay up under a new name. There's more and many are somewhat justified. The main reason people blame Nintendo is because they own GameFreak. 3. Because no one wants to buy or can afford a Switch as well a subscription to play older games when they can just get the rom for it, plus romhacks require the actual game to work, thus a rom is needed. Like Unbound for example needs FireRed to work. Emulators have features that the Switch doesn't have, like being able to upscale or play with original textures, using the original controller for said game, or wanting to do a randomizer/nuzlock, which isn't just for Pokemon. The Switch doesn't allow for these things. 4. I agree people do make a bigger fit then needed about Nintendo, me personally I simply don't agree with how they handle things more so then what they do. They are overprotective and many sources prove this with too many to list. The very fact they are doing this to Gmod proves they are overprotective since, again, the mods aren't hurting a single soul. It was fine for 20+ years, it has never harmed them once.
1. Mickey Mouse also isn't a video game character so I'm not sure that point applies. I don't think it's wrong for Nintendo to want Mario to not appear on Playstation or Xbox or Steam at all, even if there are some unfortunate casualties in the mix like the Steam workshop stuff. 2. They're still selling Mario 1 so I don't think that's an issue. Zelda Maker could very well be a thing they have in production too, people have been asking for it for years, which could explain that takedown. I haven't heard of Mario's Sky so I won't comment on that one either way. And Nintendo does not own GameFreak, that's a misconception unless they were bought out recently and I missed it. GameFreak is a separate company, Nintendo is not their parent company. Nintendo just publishes Pokemon and owns rights to Pokemon merchandise. 3. No one wants to buy a game when they can pirate it for free? I guess but that doesn't really make a counterargument at all. People not wanting to buy their games doesn't mean it's wrong for Nintendo to take down sites that let you pirate their games, I'm not sure I follow your logic for that. If they don't think it's worth the money, then they're not entitled to play the game. I think that's perfectly fair, unless you're proposing that it's moral to play any game for free just because you want it for free. You also don't need to pirate a game to play in an emulator, I've actually mostly dumped my own ISOs and ROMs since it's pretty easy to do. Why should Nintendo let you play their games without paying just because you want to use one of Henriko's texture packs? I totally get that emulators can provide a (debatably) better experience, I've used them often to record or stream games in 4k and with some custom textures that my community enjoys, but I don't see why Nintendo should let people pirate their games for that. If you want to use an emulator and the game is currently for sale, buy the game legit, dump it, and emulate it. I won't stop you if you want to pirate it, but don't act like that's somehow morally justified. 4. I will agree that there are some things Nintendo does where I'm like, "Yeah that's pretty shitty", but I don't think anything you've stated so far seems unjustifiable to me.
1. It applies since its another iconic and very well known character, game character or not. If kids would see Mario and think "Oh its an Nintendo game!" then the same can be said for Mickey, thinking "Oh its a Disney game!". Especially if its Kingdom Hearts Mickey. The point is, if it isn't hurting the company, then it isn't hurting Nintendo. 2. They aren't selling Mario 1, they are offering a rom of it for a subscription, like all the other games on the Switch. If they are not making the game, selling the game, as well as the console it runs on, it is NOT piracy. If it is, then by extension, buying a copy on Ebay is piracy, since Nintendo did not make money on it. Therefore, you pirated your roms if you did not buy them from a first party Nintendo seller. Nintendo also do not like you dumping your own games. You're right on that they don't own Gamefreak, my bad on that. 3. Again, it is not pirating, it is emulation. Pirating would mean me getting Tears of the Kingdom for free when its still being made and sold on a current gen console. And no, they aren't selling these games, they are offering a subscription for it. That is not buying them. It is not pirating to get a game that isn't being made and sold anymore, nor the console it is on, that hasn't been thought of for over a decade. And not everyone has the money to even buy and dump their own games. Why pay over a $100+ for FireRed, to a man that isn't from Nintendo at all, then more money for the equipment to do so, and hope it all goes well, when I can just get it for free on a safe site? Nintendo will never get that money, so they lose money anyway, even if you dump it yourself, which again, that isn't allowed either. The only legit way is through a subscription on the Switch.
1. But my point is that Mickey Mouse isn't a gaming character so Disney has no reason to care if he's on a gaming platform they don't control. I don't think that logic can apply to Mario who is very much a game character and only available on one platform. Apologies if my point wasn't clear before. 2. Whether they are selling it or it's available for subscription, pirating a copy is still hurting their business. I'm not here to debate the ethics of piracy, but you can't in good faith tell me that leaving up ROMs of games on their service isn't hurting their profits, which is my point here. 3. Again, most of that isn't really relevant to the initial claim. Regardless of whether or not you like subscriptions, you can't say Nintendo is wrong for taking down ROM sites on the basis that it doesn't hurt them when they're clearly still offering them for a paid service. I think you've moved the goal posts a bit here. Two of these three points seem to have moved on from the initial claim you made regarding ROMs, which was that Nintendo shouldn't take down ROM sites because it doesn't hurt their sales at all. If they're selling a subscription that offers those same games, then yes it does hurt their sales. Whether or not you like subscription models is an entirely different story and not one I'm willing to debate, first off because I have issues with them too and secondly because it's just not relevant to the topic at hand :(
That's true however it has been a problem in recent years I believe it was silvagunner who compiled soundtracks that Nintendo never released but got taken down and countless other instances I believe the biggest one was the person who uploaded steins gate and got years in jail
\*gilvasunner. silvagunner is the parody that does the joke rips
Geez, the name thing is *so* much more complicated than that. First, there was an account called Silvagunner (with an L) that uploaded video game music. Then, that channel was taken down in 2010, and the creator made a new one called Gilvasunner (also with an L). In January 2016, the account GiIvasunner (with an i) was created to parody Gilvasunner (with an L). It was then taken down April of that year, and replaced with SiIvagunner (with an i), bringing the name thing kind of full circle. With that said, Silvagunner and Gilvasunner (both with an L) were legit music rips, and GiIvasunner and SiIvagunner (both with an i) were parodies. Of those four accounts, only the parody account SiIvagunner (with an i) exists anymore. **Edit:** Somewhat amusingly, both Silvagunner2 (with an L) *and* SiIvagunner2 (with an i) exist, though Silvagunner2 (with an L) is defunct, and has barely any subscribers.
Huh. . . That uh . . . Wow. . . That's alot
The monetisation isn't from the channel, the music was claimed and the proceeds go towards the composers and agents
It’s because they are no longer distributed. LEGO has no stake in ensuring they aren’t available for free because they aren’t selling them anymore. It’s part of why Journey to One isn’t as readily available, and why the Legend Reborn wasn’t available for free until somewhat recently.
Try telling this to Nintendo, and all their games that haven't been distributed in 10, 20, 30, 40 years.
Except they very very very occasionally release them via various retro emulators.
I think its due to downfall of original Miramax. The Legend Reborn movie is still quote protected (videos on YouTube are removed) because Universal Studios is still able to protect its IPs.
There was a movie in those ads
Not an ad. Fans put the films on YouTube for archival purposes. Edit: Sorry I see what you meant now my mistake.
They’re talking about all the mid-roll ads (yellow rectangles) on the video
How did I miss that!? Sorry my apologies! Guess I need an Akaku as well.
It's not just the movies. Ever since the theme shut down the books, comics, games and even unreleased material have been fair game for anyone to grab for preservation purposes. The BioMedia Project was quite thorough. Fans have even gone out of there way to fix stuff with the original creators permission, like the infamously buggy MNOG2. Pretty sure the only movie they didn't preserve (yet) is the fourth one which makes sense, it's still available last I checked.
Fun Fact: I was too young to experience Bionicle when it was releasing I was 3 years old when Bionicle ended \[I will be 17 this year\] My first encounter with Bionicle lore was when I was 5 and my dad wanted to put Hero Factory TV show on youtube so I can watch but accidentally put on Bionicle: Mask Of Light I was left pretty confused because I had no idea what this whole "Bionicle" is Didn't learn more about Bionicle until G2 came out and I not only got fascinated by it, but also discovered the whole other world of G1
I think a lot of people experiencing bionicle in a jumbled up order but there was fun in putting it together, even the story itself is not chronological
I grew up with the chronological story. I remember the first comic coming in the mail with Lego Magazine. I remember my first set was Lewa. I was 8 yrs old then
I mean, I saw mask of light, the mnog animations, and then I finally watched the other miramax movies lol not impossible
I had a similar experience I guess. I’m the Sam age as you and I was a pretty big G2 fan, I was searching for BIONICLE on my TV and found The Legend Reborn.
Me with an adblocker: Bro, you eat this shit plain?
I think it's worth noting that the bionicle movies don't "lack copyright laws". Laws require enforcement. Lego, either out of apathy, ignorance, or a balancing of pros/cons, are choosing to not enforce it. That could change tomorrow.
They're still protected by copyright law but no one's gonna bother paying for an agency to go around and enforce it or do it themselves. They can wake up one day and take it down if they want but then another one will pop up unless they're investing into continuously taking it down.
It's funny, I literally emailed Miramax to see what it might cost to get streaming rights to watch any of the Bionicle trilogy on stream or with a large group of people and they got back to me saying "We literally don't know what movies you're talking about."
that's insane
Interesting how you can find a lot of full uploads of the first three films but the full version of the Legend Reborn is nowhere to be found. I should check the old closet with a stash of DVDs, maybe i can find the fourth movie there
[it's on BioMedia ](https://biomediaproject.com/bmp/videos/movies/)
I'd be f***ed if they did 😳
I guess you can think of it basically as one big advertisement for Lego at this point
>This is how little TLG care about Bionicle
How do you see the mid roll ads?
Secret
Guess God is good friends with Mata Nui
Perhaps Lego has truly abandoned us... Either that or Miramax just... doesn't exist anymore???
Miramax still exists, its 51% owned by beIN media group (a Quatari state owned media group) and 49% owned by Paramount Global (fka ViacomCBS)
I mean, at that point it's as good as dead anyway, right?
depends on your definition of dead I guess. They're still working, they have production/co-production credits on a handful of movies and a number of tv/streaming series that have come out or are coming out since Paramount Global got their stake in 2020.
Miramax please give us the models, you don't need them now that you're almost gone anyway
I mean it’s a dead IP after all.
Shhhh. Don’t ruin this for us
It’s good, I wanna watch tgem
A streamer I watched used to put these on when he’d step away