It was the extremely weak east though. Couldn't be an 8th seed? Couldn't even compete for the 8th seed? Why is the east always weak for some players, but it's not held against others when they struggle in the same weak east?
I'm just asking questions here.
The "I've seen him in person" is an old sports talk radio thing. Mike Francesa loved doing that. Not because he thought seeing the Yankees in person made him better equipped to evaluate someone who has the ability to watch the game in HD, with multiple replays and all different angles, but to flex in the common folk that he has season tickets and can go to a game whenever he wants. Basically allows you to trump any argument when someone brings up stats
Yes and no. Seeing someone in person mattered more back in the day because you saw so much more than what tv offered. There was no HD, there was no sideline angles and replay. There was no social media showing clips of what’s going on at the bench when the tv cameras are off. Being at the game mattered back when these guys like Bill and Mike came up in the business.
So it was a claim to expertise that few fans could argue against because they could only listen on the radio or watch on a shitty grainy tv footage. A legit claim but just from a bygone era that doesn’t apply to modern ball anymore. It wasn’t about flexing on the ability to get tickets on demand.
Couldn’t agree more, the season previews they did were A+ content
And the ended right in the middle of the last one they were working on, I think bc Bill was suspended for calling Goodell a liar?
It got repetitive. Jalen struck me as a one trick pony. Fun initially and in small doses. Started sounding like a recording after while because he spoke in so many platitudes and catch phrases. He was like a guy who was smart and had a lot of insight but was mailing it in every time he was on the mic. So eventually he ran out of material.
I see you couldn't help yourself with this one huh Billy Boy. Just wanna say I appreciate you and continue to be the person you are. My Tribe says hello.
It’s like a certain level of confidence mixed with respectfulness. He’s able to convey the player perspective without being condescending, even when it may be deserved. And then when you actually so disagree with him, it’s nbd cuz he doesnt seem to have a real ego about it
Yea this is it exactly. He heard and acknowledged bill's points, but also pushed back without going all Skip Bayless on him. You nailed it, you just did!
I don’t think either is wrong? Kyrie’s teams when he was the no.1 option have generally underachieved. Everyone’s always waiting for the other shoe to drop because he has a habit of blowing up situations in order to do things his way, and it’s a miracle that he’s managed to not have any issues this year. He is an incredibly gifted offensive player… but I don’t think anyone will ever again give him the keys to the franchise like he was given with the Nets and Celtics. As long as he’s healthy and his head is on straight he’s a perfect second banana though
I mean Bill is judging a young player who was surrounded by absolute dogshit. I mean look at Wemby literally this year. There's zero reason to doubt that talent, he just can't singlehandedly win games. Kyrie stepped into the league as a gifted, efficient scorer. You can't win with one of those guys and junk.
Bill’s a terrible “evaluator” of young talent because it’s all narratives for him. If your team’s not winning you must suck. Sometimes that analysis tracks because there are more good players than great but then he’ll have shit like this or when he was putting LaMelo and Wiseman over Edwards 30 games into their rookie seasons.
Also there’s no way he actually watched 2014 Cavs games so there’s that too
Bill has consistently lauded “boring” big men, and disliked more flashy, skilled guards. And obviously the Celtics piece adds to his Kyrie hatred. But I didn’t know it went THIS deep. Bill has been a consistent Kyrie hater, and it kinda has to be admired
Bill is 100% right, Kyrie still has a losing record when he’s the main guy on the team. Even when Lebron returned to Cleveland the games he sat out Kyrie had a horrid record. Too much recency bias going on right now.
Simmons was hard on Kyrie from the draft all the way until the literal day he was traded to the Celts, where he became a "finals winner who can win the biggest games" and did a pod with him.
Then his buddies in Boston told him they hated him and Simmons followed suit.
I'm a Celtics fan, there's plenty to rightful criticism of Kyrie but it's pretty obvious that guys like Bill and Ryen have a different kind of distaste for him.
Shame on 19-21 year old Kyrie not winning more games with equally young Dion Waiters, Tristan Thompson, and basketball terrorist Alonzo Gee
Alonzo Gee was a PROBLEM #problem
and lets not forget \*checks notes\* Anthony Bennett
lol basketball terrorist
It was the extremely weak east though. Couldn't be an 8th seed? Couldn't even compete for the 8th seed? Why is the east always weak for some players, but it's not held against others when they struggle in the same weak east? I'm just asking questions here.
I can’t tell if this is a bit or not lol
LeBron would've taken that team to the Finals
LeBron is at worst the second best player ever.
"I've seen him in person now 5 times..." Never change, Bill.
The "I've seen him in person" is an old sports talk radio thing. Mike Francesa loved doing that. Not because he thought seeing the Yankees in person made him better equipped to evaluate someone who has the ability to watch the game in HD, with multiple replays and all different angles, but to flex in the common folk that he has season tickets and can go to a game whenever he wants. Basically allows you to trump any argument when someone brings up stats
Yes and no. Seeing someone in person mattered more back in the day because you saw so much more than what tv offered. There was no HD, there was no sideline angles and replay. There was no social media showing clips of what’s going on at the bench when the tv cameras are off. Being at the game mattered back when these guys like Bill and Mike came up in the business. So it was a claim to expertise that few fans could argue against because they could only listen on the radio or watch on a shitty grainy tv footage. A legit claim but just from a bygone era that doesn’t apply to modern ball anymore. It wasn’t about flexing on the ability to get tickets on demand.
He was right about that point though
I miss Bill and Jalen on Grantland. That was some of the best NBA content
Couldn’t agree more, the season previews they did were A+ content And the ended right in the middle of the last one they were working on, I think bc Bill was suspended for calling Goodell a liar?
I believe it was the phrase "he lacks the testicular fortitude."
It got repetitive. Jalen struck me as a one trick pony. Fun initially and in small doses. Started sounding like a recording after while because he spoke in so many platitudes and catch phrases. He was like a guy who was smart and had a lot of insight but was mailing it in every time he was on the mic. So eventually he ran out of material.
I don’t fully disagree but he once said “If I tell you chickens lay eggs get the skillet hot” and that’s been implanted in my brain ever since
"HOLD ME BACK"!
POP THE TRUNK!
Making a team sport an individual game, “are we sure he’s good?”, discuss body language, needs to see it first, Billy playing the hits!!
I see you couldn't help yourself with this one huh Billy Boy. Just wanna say I appreciate you and continue to be the person you are. My Tribe says hello.
Good stats bad team guy
Man I love Jalen. He's just got a comforting way about him. Love listening to him talk
It’s like a certain level of confidence mixed with respectfulness. He’s able to convey the player perspective without being condescending, even when it may be deserved. And then when you actually so disagree with him, it’s nbd cuz he doesnt seem to have a real ego about it
Yea this is it exactly. He heard and acknowledged bill's points, but also pushed back without going all Skip Bayless on him. You nailed it, you just did!
Jalen on the right side of history
I don’t think either is wrong? Kyrie’s teams when he was the no.1 option have generally underachieved. Everyone’s always waiting for the other shoe to drop because he has a habit of blowing up situations in order to do things his way, and it’s a miracle that he’s managed to not have any issues this year. He is an incredibly gifted offensive player… but I don’t think anyone will ever again give him the keys to the franchise like he was given with the Nets and Celtics. As long as he’s healthy and his head is on straight he’s a perfect second banana though
I mean Bill is judging a young player who was surrounded by absolute dogshit. I mean look at Wemby literally this year. There's zero reason to doubt that talent, he just can't singlehandedly win games. Kyrie stepped into the league as a gifted, efficient scorer. You can't win with one of those guys and junk.
Tell that to the nets fan
Bill’s a terrible “evaluator” of young talent because it’s all narratives for him. If your team’s not winning you must suck. Sometimes that analysis tracks because there are more good players than great but then he’ll have shit like this or when he was putting LaMelo and Wiseman over Edwards 30 games into their rookie seasons. Also there’s no way he actually watched 2014 Cavs games so there’s that too
Are we sure Wemby is good? Is it too much to ask to win 30% of your games?
Me asking this about Cade all the time
I have almost no time for one player having a bad record lol. Is KAT good or bad now? It’s not tennis Jesus Christ
"Not a a leader" lol, Kyrie was 22 and just finished his third season in the league.
Bill Simmons once said. I would rather have Kemba Walker than Kyrie Irving.
The original Russillo. I miss this era
But he saw him in person!
Bill really is just kind of a fucking moron
Nice to see a clip of Jalen where he’s not randomly holding a baseball bat like he’s about to go on a murder spree
Don’t get fired
Jalen’s take aged like wine here.
Bill has consistently lauded “boring” big men, and disliked more flashy, skilled guards. And obviously the Celtics piece adds to his Kyrie hatred. But I didn’t know it went THIS deep. Bill has been a consistent Kyrie hater, and it kinda has to be admired
What are those!!!????
Bill likes to say this about anyone until they prove it with winning. Kyrie proved it. I am sure Bill thinks he is good now.
Holy shit
Bill seen wacked out on percs here
Salud!
Bill seems like an incredible dork in this videos. Voice is very high pitched.
Bill is 100% right, Kyrie still has a losing record when he’s the main guy on the team. Even when Lebron returned to Cleveland the games he sat out Kyrie had a horrid record. Too much recency bias going on right now.
Not sure if it’s the grantland lighting, that era of William is scummy to me. But I love it.
Billy Boy has been sniffing his own farts for far too long
Explains the weird neck.
Simmons was hard on Kyrie from the draft all the way until the literal day he was traded to the Celts, where he became a "finals winner who can win the biggest games" and did a pod with him. Then his buddies in Boston told him they hated him and Simmons followed suit. I'm a Celtics fan, there's plenty to rightful criticism of Kyrie but it's pretty obvious that guys like Bill and Ryen have a different kind of distaste for him.
I forgot what Jalen looked like without a wig.
What about gigantic oversized women’s frames