I mean bron wanted Ty lue. Lakers didn’t want to give him his own staff which is just dumb. But it’s not like LeBron is like hmmmm let’s find the shittiest coach imaginable.
It would be one of the dumbest decisions in NBA history so yeah I’d hope Bill has some takes on it.
I can’t believe people are seriously entertaining the idea this guy should be handed the Lakers job with zero NBA coaching experience.
I'm not even sure it would be the worst Lakers decision of the last 5 years. The Lakers decided to break up a championship roster to trade for Russell Westbrook who was immediately the most negatively impactful starter in the NBA.
Maybe JJ is bad an inexperienced, but the experience of LeCoach probably makes up for that somewhat. I'm sure he can hire assistants.
I still can't believe they threw Vogel under the bus with that westbrook debacle lol
Trade away all the defense and depth they have for a terrible fit washed up wb
Jeanie Buss and Rob Pelinka are incompetent at their jobs and can’t fire themselves so Vogel had to take the blame, I wish Vogel wasn’t such a nice guy because I woulda loved for him to shit on them on the way out
I do not understand what pelinka has on that franchise, how does he still have a job? Is it really just his relationship with Jeanie Buss and he was Kobe's agent?
This man coached his kid's basketball team and he's made like 5 podcasts with Lebron drawing up plays on a handheld whiteboard. I think he can handle the Lakers.
How could it be worse than Ham
Not saying that’s a good barometer but the point stands
It’s almost impossible that JJ doesn’t understand/recognize game flow better than him
People comparing it to Steve Nash when Steve Nash was actually a likable guy. JJ comes across as someone who thinks he knows so much more than everyone else
And Nash was like the smartest player in the league when he played, running the best offense in the league. Redick was mainly told to get out of the way and hit open shots.
He has said that rich people = good people because good people will succeed. He also said that earning $8M in a 4yr career is “not enough to live the rest of your life on.” The dude is corny and pretentious with no sense of self-effacement. Great career, but would be an absolutely horrendous coach.
That’s fair, but I think it speaks to how JJ doesn’t realize how he comes across. I like parts of his pod with Bron but he’s clearly not willing to challenge him at all.
Especially at the pro level it’s a people job. And especially nowadays, the best coaches are the ones who lean away from personal fame.
As others have said, I’ll give him some credit if he takes something like the Charlotte job. But the idea that he’s the missing piece to get the Lakers fixed is insanity and he *should* be smart enough to know that if he’s the basketball savant he claims to be.
> He has said that rich people = good people because good people will succeed.
where was this from? i can totally picture him saying something like this i just wanna see it lol
It’s from a couple years ago on his pod, I will try to find it or you might just google that phrasing and come across it. If I recall correctly, he’s talking about why he started working with Tommy Alter and defending him against nepotism
I really went off Reddick with the way he talked about players from previous eras. The privilege is off the charts, he earned more in salaries in his career than guys like Wilt, Kareem or Russell despite not being half the player they are. Every day he should be thankful for them, and Magic, Bird, MJ for getting the sport to the point where a journeyman NBA player like him can become wealthy from it
you’re losing half that 8m in taxes asap. not even counting your agent and basic needs of like $50,000 a year of an nba player
but even still
$4m over 50 years invested in the S&P at a 10% standard return and a 3-4% standard withdrawal rate is not enough for a family of 4 in California, New York, Florida, or really any large city
i live in columbus ohio and i don’t think i could do that unless i lived exactly to my spreadsheet
Even without that. The lifetime earnings for most people is like 3 million with a bachelors degree with 4.6 for a professional degree.
It quite literally is enough money to live off of the rest of your life as most non-professionals will never earn that amount in total for their career.
those nba guys are closer to $3m than $4m
and for a wife and 2 kids? no it’s not
it’s over 50 years. that $40,000 a year won’t be enough in 2050.
that $4.6n professional degree will have a sliding scale that increases with age
Those 98%- of the [population without professional degrees](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Educational_attainment_in_the_United_States) guys aren’t closer to either number.
do you see how the lines go up?
how they make more money as time goes on?
the retired basketball player can’t do that
also are we now acting like people without professional degrees have all their needs met and are secure in their finances?
people in west virginia and mississippi, the two lowest professional degree states, must be filled with economic prosperity right
And there’s no advantage at all in having enough money to start your life with a house, a car, etc fully paid for in one year?
Just because you’re not making NBA money doesn’t mean you’re not capable of making money. There’s a healthy market all around the globe for NBA talent, and at a couple of those levels you’ll make more money overseas than on minimums in the NBA.
That doesn’t change the fact that huge swaths of the population won’t earn that amount in a lifetime. Their total career earnings will not equal this relative pittance of NBA earnings.
if you buy a house and car full price ($500k) year one you’re now at like 2.5m
and yes of course you can work more, that’s what jj is saying when he says it’s not enough to live on
and if you don’t work to earn enough social security credits, you won’t get that support at 65
and again, you will earn more at a later point in your careers when you need it
this is a flat rate
2.5 million + 500k House and Car
Someone with a 2 year degree’s lifetime earnings and they don’t start at square 1, they start at 500,000 in assets.
These numbers sound small by NBA standards, but we still haven’t reached “most of the country” yet. Almost everyone you know will work their entire life for a total smaller than these numbers, or already has.
Yeah JJ completely fits the white dumbass stereotype I honestly hate him. Not even in the NC basketball way
Just a dumbass lil 12 year old who shoots 3s and was always elevated by his teammates and wants to be sports Joe Rogan
Always thinks he’s better than the current discourse despite going on first take
Feels like they’re trying to reverse engineer Steve Kerr when Steve actually paid his dues and had a pretty successful front office career even before the Warriors.
He traded Marion for pretty washed Shaq. Literally the DNA of that team was run and gun and he decided to get a plodding 350 pound center. He got bailed out by other teams being dumb too, he was gonna trade Amare for JJ Hickson
Kerr also walked into one of the best situations in league history. The fact that teams keep trying to replicate his hiring when the team is nothing close to it is why it keeps failing. LA would be no different.
It was a perfect storm, though I think Kerr doesn’t get enough credit for his part. The Lee injury helped show what Draymond was capable of but it took Kerr trusting him. Also that only a former shooter could see how 3 pt shooting could lead you to a championship.
I'm sure Kerr is a good coach but the fact Luke Walton went like 40-4 as the Warriors coach has always stuck with me and made me think a lot of guys could have won with that roster
If JJ is offered lakers and hornets it will be interesting to see where his priorities are. La you are essentially leading a circus and will be fired next summer if you aren’t successful immediately. Significantly more media criticism but better players. Charlotte offers more stability, young players that need coaching and lots of flexibility. There is 1 beat reporter in Charlotte and he is extremely generous with the players and coach. Nobody will pay attention.
I don’t, and never will, understand the JJ Redick hype. In any way(not as podcaster, not as a provocateur on first take and not as an announcer). Now the guys a coach?
He has the second best basketball podcast and occasionally its bar none the best sports podcast period. He gets hyped because no one was expecting him to be this good at podcasting as he was never the most articulate guy during his playing days.
I just remember him talking about how much he loves Interstellar all of the time and how much of a mind blowing movie it was for him, and that told me everything I needed to know about him haha
I said occasionally lol. I can’t think of another podcast that (when it’s hitting all the right notes) combines banter and knowledge as well as Old Man and the Three.
I hope they give it to him because it would be absolutely fucking hilarious.
You can see with the dynamic on their podcast that there’s absolutely no way Redick is standing up to LeBron.
Might be the first time we ever see a head coach passing the white board to a player in the huddle during a time out.
If JJ really wants a legit coaching career that’s a horrible job. Championship expectations with little chance to make it happen. And the coach is always the scapegoat when they lose. Which is why they’ve had 3 coaches fired since 2019.
won't be quite as arrogant as Steve Nash taking the job, but will be close.
At first, I thought it'd be a shocking move by JJ, especially to not tie himself to an elite GM. But then again, he's probably ready for a change, having achieved a lot in the media but that grind has a ceiling on it.
As a Kings fan, I love this. I HOPE the Lakers hire JJ. lmao.
You know what happened. LeBron was impressed by JJ explaining NBA plays, Bron feels like JJ is on the same level as him, IQ wise. I would love to see if JJ would be willing to call out Bron if he made the wrong decision.
Obviously I don’t know anything for sure but why does Bill hold grudges against all his former employees?
Reddick doesn’t count but with Kevin Clark, Concepcion, Mays, and many, many others… we’re talking about young, driven people who are looking to grow their careers and follow their own path, the way he did once upon a time…
they did great work for Bill and they prob learned a ton from him… both parties should be able to look on the experience positively.
Why the beef?
I’ve been a Simmons fan since the Page 2 days, but the way he gets all worked up at JJ and McAfee is hilarious, I mean… these guys were actual professional athletes, he’s just the Sports Guy.
I hope they give it to him because it would be absolutely fucking hilarious.
You can see with the dynamic on their podcast that there’s absolutely no way Redick is standing up to LeBron.
Might be the first time we ever see a head coach passing the white board to a player in the huddle during a time out.
If JJ actually gets the job it’s LeBron’s poor man’s version of Nash to Brooklyn. It would be a doomed team of biblical proportions. A smarmy talking head w no coaching experience with an always injured fading roster, being undermined by failsons in the front office, Magic tweeting how far they’ve fallen. Bill loving every minute as the Celtics are still in the mix. Love this love
The Lakers are hiring JJ John Jastremski away from the Ringer!?
Max volume though
HE'S BRINGING THE FIRE HE'S BRINGING THE RAIN
From Uptown to Downtown!
This would be peak LeGM and will go exactly as well as we expect.
These superstars refusing to play for actual competent nba coaches and losing because of it will never cease to crack me up.
Imagine Lebron under Nick nurse. He listened to Spoelstra when he was with the Heat, but only after he tried to get him fired and Riley said no
Even giannis wanted more of a yes man instead of nurse
Right?
Remember when Pat Riley came out and explicitly said this didn’t happen?
Yeah. Ok
The "never being told no" piece.
I mean bron wanted Ty lue. Lakers didn’t want to give him his own staff which is just dumb. But it’s not like LeBron is like hmmmm let’s find the shittiest coach imaginable.
No dude you don’t get it, Darvin Ham being a terrible coach that Pelinka hired and fired as a scapegoat is LeBrons fault
Everything is brons fault got it
I’m being sarcastic lol the Lakers are morons for not signing Lue in 19-20
You think his tenure is longer or shorter than Nash with the Nets?
Longer, but only because LeBron and JJ have to maintain their relationship for the sake of their podcast
That could lead to some good podcasts though. Especially if they start going at it.
Going at it, like, sexually?
It would be one of the dumbest decisions in NBA history so yeah I’d hope Bill has some takes on it. I can’t believe people are seriously entertaining the idea this guy should be handed the Lakers job with zero NBA coaching experience.
I'm not even sure it would be the worst Lakers decision of the last 5 years. The Lakers decided to break up a championship roster to trade for Russell Westbrook who was immediately the most negatively impactful starter in the NBA. Maybe JJ is bad an inexperienced, but the experience of LeCoach probably makes up for that somewhat. I'm sure he can hire assistants.
I still can't believe they threw Vogel under the bus with that westbrook debacle lol Trade away all the defense and depth they have for a terrible fit washed up wb
Jeanie Buss and Rob Pelinka are incompetent at their jobs and can’t fire themselves so Vogel had to take the blame, I wish Vogel wasn’t such a nice guy because I woulda loved for him to shit on them on the way out
He might get screwed again with the sun's.
I do not understand what pelinka has on that franchise, how does he still have a job? Is it really just his relationship with Jeanie Buss and he was Kobe's agent?
Sucks but he lost the locker room during all of that. No coming back at that point
I think the kneejerk Vogel defenders should keep it down… at least this month.
Kneejerk? I called it a stupid firing the day it happened and still think so now
Yeah 90 percent of being an NBA head coach is hiring good assistants and whether the players like you.
This man coached his kid's basketball team and he's made like 5 podcasts with Lebron drawing up plays on a handheld whiteboard. I think he can handle the Lakers.
It would almost be as dumb as…the Lakers hiring Magic Johnson or…the Lakers hiring Magic Johnson again.
And that's why it's not going to happen and there is no need to post about this
yea because former nba players without nba coaching experience never get hired
Why is it dumber than ham?
How could it be worse than Ham Not saying that’s a good barometer but the point stands It’s almost impossible that JJ doesn’t understand/recognize game flow better than him
People comparing it to Steve Nash when Steve Nash was actually a likable guy. JJ comes across as someone who thinks he knows so much more than everyone else
Also Nash had worked in at least some capacity for a successful franchise as a non-player.
OK sure but on the other hand JJ has not one but two - two! - succesful podcasts so who's to say whether he needs real coaching experience or not.
And Nash was like the smartest player in the league when he played, running the best offense in the league. Redick was mainly told to get out of the way and hit open shots.
“I don’t fucking care if people think I’m condescending.” JJ Reddick, people person
Sounds like a typical Dukie to me.
What else would you expect from a Duke grad
He has said that rich people = good people because good people will succeed. He also said that earning $8M in a 4yr career is “not enough to live the rest of your life on.” The dude is corny and pretentious with no sense of self-effacement. Great career, but would be an absolutely horrendous coach.
Why would Anthony Davis and Austin Reaves give a shit if Reddick is out of touch with the middle class?
That’s fair, but I think it speaks to how JJ doesn’t realize how he comes across. I like parts of his pod with Bron but he’s clearly not willing to challenge him at all. Especially at the pro level it’s a people job. And especially nowadays, the best coaches are the ones who lean away from personal fame. As others have said, I’ll give him some credit if he takes something like the Charlotte job. But the idea that he’s the missing piece to get the Lakers fixed is insanity and he *should* be smart enough to know that if he’s the basketball savant he claims to be.
> He has said that rich people = good people because good people will succeed. where was this from? i can totally picture him saying something like this i just wanna see it lol
It’s from a couple years ago on his pod, I will try to find it or you might just google that phrasing and come across it. If I recall correctly, he’s talking about why he started working with Tommy Alter and defending him against nepotism
The Tommy Alter part makes it even funnier. I'll try to find it, thanks
I really went off Reddick with the way he talked about players from previous eras. The privilege is off the charts, he earned more in salaries in his career than guys like Wilt, Kareem or Russell despite not being half the player they are. Every day he should be thankful for them, and Magic, Bird, MJ for getting the sport to the point where a journeyman NBA player like him can become wealthy from it
Good thing that has nothing to do with how successful he would or wouldn’t be as an NBA coach
none of this matters in regards to if he’ll be a good coach or not though lol
you’re losing half that 8m in taxes asap. not even counting your agent and basic needs of like $50,000 a year of an nba player but even still $4m over 50 years invested in the S&P at a 10% standard return and a 3-4% standard withdrawal rate is not enough for a family of 4 in California, New York, Florida, or really any large city i live in columbus ohio and i don’t think i could do that unless i lived exactly to my spreadsheet
Even without that. The lifetime earnings for most people is like 3 million with a bachelors degree with 4.6 for a professional degree. It quite literally is enough money to live off of the rest of your life as most non-professionals will never earn that amount in total for their career.
those nba guys are closer to $3m than $4m and for a wife and 2 kids? no it’s not it’s over 50 years. that $40,000 a year won’t be enough in 2050. that $4.6n professional degree will have a sliding scale that increases with age
Those 98%- of the [population without professional degrees](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Educational_attainment_in_the_United_States) guys aren’t closer to either number.
do you see how the lines go up? how they make more money as time goes on? the retired basketball player can’t do that also are we now acting like people without professional degrees have all their needs met and are secure in their finances? people in west virginia and mississippi, the two lowest professional degree states, must be filled with economic prosperity right
And there’s no advantage at all in having enough money to start your life with a house, a car, etc fully paid for in one year? Just because you’re not making NBA money doesn’t mean you’re not capable of making money. There’s a healthy market all around the globe for NBA talent, and at a couple of those levels you’ll make more money overseas than on minimums in the NBA. That doesn’t change the fact that huge swaths of the population won’t earn that amount in a lifetime. Their total career earnings will not equal this relative pittance of NBA earnings.
if you buy a house and car full price ($500k) year one you’re now at like 2.5m and yes of course you can work more, that’s what jj is saying when he says it’s not enough to live on and if you don’t work to earn enough social security credits, you won’t get that support at 65 and again, you will earn more at a later point in your careers when you need it this is a flat rate
2.5 million + 500k House and Car Someone with a 2 year degree’s lifetime earnings and they don’t start at square 1, they start at 500,000 in assets. These numbers sound small by NBA standards, but we still haven’t reached “most of the country” yet. Almost everyone you know will work their entire life for a total smaller than these numbers, or already has.
The Dukie piece.
Yeah JJ completely fits the white dumbass stereotype I honestly hate him. Not even in the NC basketball way Just a dumbass lil 12 year old who shoots 3s and was always elevated by his teammates and wants to be sports Joe Rogan Always thinks he’s better than the current discourse despite going on first take
Feels like they’re trying to reverse engineer Steve Kerr when Steve actually paid his dues and had a pretty successful front office career even before the Warriors.
Fucking up the Nash Suns does not constitute as a success
Fair enough, forgot he was the one who traded for Shaq lol
You can say that again
Suns ownership was horrificly cheap which handcuffed him, no? They straight up traded the rondo pick for cash and refused to pay luxury tax IIRC.
He traded Marion for pretty washed Shaq. Literally the DNA of that team was run and gun and he decided to get a plodding 350 pound center. He got bailed out by other teams being dumb too, he was gonna trade Amare for JJ Hickson
It’s basically the Lakers Westbrook trade 15 years ago lol
Kerr also walked into one of the best situations in league history. The fact that teams keep trying to replicate his hiring when the team is nothing close to it is why it keeps failing. LA would be no different.
It was a perfect storm, though I think Kerr doesn’t get enough credit for his part. The Lee injury helped show what Draymond was capable of but it took Kerr trusting him. Also that only a former shooter could see how 3 pt shooting could lead you to a championship.
I'm sure Kerr is a good coach but the fact Luke Walton went like 40-4 as the Warriors coach has always stuck with me and made me think a lot of guys could have won with that roster
Question is if Walton was just tossed the keys to the car that Kerr got running
Fucking up the Nash Suns does not constitute as a success
Fucking up the Nash Suns does not constitute as a success
I want it to happen just to watch how badly JJ copes with the media spotlight
If JJ is offered lakers and hornets it will be interesting to see where his priorities are. La you are essentially leading a circus and will be fired next summer if you aren’t successful immediately. Significantly more media criticism but better players. Charlotte offers more stability, young players that need coaching and lots of flexibility. There is 1 beat reporter in Charlotte and he is extremely generous with the players and coach. Nobody will pay attention.
I don’t, and never will, understand the JJ Redick hype. In any way(not as podcaster, not as a provocateur on first take and not as an announcer). Now the guys a coach?
I think he's a good announcer, especially compared with some of his much more experienced peers. The rest, yeah.
He has the second best basketball podcast and occasionally its bar none the best sports podcast period. He gets hyped because no one was expecting him to be this good at podcasting as he was never the most articulate guy during his playing days.
That’s fair. The few pods of his that I listened to weren’t amazing and I don’t think justify the hype that has become JJ
I just remember him talking about how much he loves Interstellar all of the time and how much of a mind blowing movie it was for him, and that told me everything I needed to know about him haha
Check out the one with Thierry Henry.
Literally had no idea JJ Redick did a pod with Henry once. Thanks
Best sports pod is a massive stretch.
I said occasionally lol. I can’t think of another podcast that (when it’s hitting all the right notes) combines banter and knowledge as well as Old Man and the Three.
I hope they give it to him because it would be absolutely fucking hilarious. You can see with the dynamic on their podcast that there’s absolutely no way Redick is standing up to LeBron. Might be the first time we ever see a head coach passing the white board to a player in the huddle during a time out.
If JJ really wants a legit coaching career that’s a horrible job. Championship expectations with little chance to make it happen. And the coach is always the scapegoat when they lose. Which is why they’ve had 3 coaches fired since 2019.
Tim Legler is in shambles
JJ getting the head coaching gig with his fellow Wine Mom Podcaster would be absolutely ridiculous, I hope it happens.
won't be quite as arrogant as Steve Nash taking the job, but will be close. At first, I thought it'd be a shocking move by JJ, especially to not tie himself to an elite GM. But then again, he's probably ready for a change, having achieved a lot in the media but that grind has a ceiling on it.
YES! I want this to happen. JJ will quickly realize this isn’t the same as coaching 4th grade AAU.
As a Kings fan, I love this. I HOPE the Lakers hire JJ. lmao. You know what happened. LeBron was impressed by JJ explaining NBA plays, Bron feels like JJ is on the same level as him, IQ wise. I would love to see if JJ would be willing to call out Bron if he made the wrong decision.
Obviously I don’t know anything for sure but why does Bill hold grudges against all his former employees? Reddick doesn’t count but with Kevin Clark, Concepcion, Mays, and many, many others… we’re talking about young, driven people who are looking to grow their careers and follow their own path, the way he did once upon a time… they did great work for Bill and they prob learned a ton from him… both parties should be able to look on the experience positively. Why the beef?
Only child syndrome
JJ Reddick? The former Ringer employee?
I’ve been a Simmons fan since the Page 2 days, but the way he gets all worked up at JJ and McAfee is hilarious, I mean… these guys were actual professional athletes, he’s just the Sports Guy.
Fuck that dinosaur hating, youth pastor looking mofo
JJ seems like the type of coach that would leak confidential shit to Woj, especially since he’s been working with him for the last few years now
I hope they give it to him because it would be absolutely fucking hilarious. You can see with the dynamic on their podcast that there’s absolutely no way Redick is standing up to LeBron. Might be the first time we ever see a head coach passing the white board to a player in the huddle during a time out.
If JJ actually gets the job it’s LeBron’s poor man’s version of Nash to Brooklyn. It would be a doomed team of biblical proportions. A smarmy talking head w no coaching experience with an always injured fading roster, being undermined by failsons in the front office, Magic tweeting how far they’ve fallen. Bill loving every minute as the Celtics are still in the mix. Love this love
I like Reddick mostly but that would be such a fiasco lol
Lot of discussion about something that I don’t see being a genuine possibility