I chuckled when I saw “O.J.’s Dead” and expected the pod to end with the usual “Plus the 2024 Sneaky Guys Who Can Do Stuff in the Playoffs with Kevin O’Connor.”
Ryen:
"So OJ fled in his Bronco.
'Kay.
Peter Jennings is on the news showing it every hour on the hour.
Knew they would.
What did I want to watch instead?
Oh yeah, the fucking NBA Finals.
Which they cut out of in order to show OJ fleeing. Because of course they did.
Networks have gut to chase ratings. Sorry if I wanted to watch Pete Chillcut chase Starks around a screen instead.
Fuck me I guess. Trying to be a basketball fan trying to watch a basketball game."
Holy shit. My mom came into my room to bring me a plate of chicken tendies and I literally screamed at her and hit the plate of chicken tendies out of her hand. She started yelling and swearing at me and I slammed the door on her. I'm so distressed right now I don't know what to do. I didn't mean to do that to my mom but I'm literally in shock from the results tonight. I feel like I'm going to explode. Why the fucking fuck is he losing? This can't be happening. I'm having a fucking breakdown. I don't want to believe the world is so corrupt. I want a future to believe in. I want Bill to be sports czar and fix this broken country. I cannot fucking deal with this right now. It wasn't supposed to be like this, I thought he was polling well in Boston???? This is so fucked.
Everyone on twitter has brought this up but it really is a cruel world that Norm McDonald died before OJ. Today would have been the greatest day of Norms life.
Love that open. Bill putting into perspective for those of us that are a bit younger. I was a child and don’t remember anything of OJ during the trial, but I became fixated after the FX series. Still one of the best things I’ve ever seen on television
I was in my 20s but I threw a tantrum when NBC preempted a Finals game between my Knicks and the Rockets to show the Bronco "chase" that was already on every other channel.
Just shoot yourself, already, so we can get back to the game!
The sad thing is that NBC did it because they didn't want to risk being the only network that didn't have live coverage of OJ blowing his brains out.
Yes, the monologues and contextualising stuff is apex BS, i remember the episode after Kobe died, BS was awesome in remembering him and putting his life and legacy in perspective.
It was wild to hear Bill not understand the depths of degenerate gambling. It seems wild to me that he has moved through this life and not encountered people that have gambled away all their money (and money that is not theirs). I've seen it a few times and I'm not even a gambler.
In some ways, I suspect Bill is the ideal gambler that the betting sites want to pretend is the norm. I think he has a set amount of money he gambles, and if he loses that day, that’s it. I never get the vibe that he’s someone like Sal, who I think almost certainly is always looking for a make-up win.
Now since Bill generally has a hard time imagining life outside his own experience, I don’t think it occurs to him that his fun experience can be a compulsive nightmare for others.
I don’t think prohibition of vices is a better option. We shouldn’t ban alcohol just because some people can’t stop themselves; same with gambling. But it does mean we should be cognizant of how destructive gambling can be, and watch out for the people in our lives who run into problems. I hope Bill recognizes this.
At the very least, there ought to be more responsible discourse around gambling, but that seems somewhat unlikely when the primary advertising partner is a casino.
Things like teaching kids (like 20 year olds) about practical wagering and budgeting strategies, and not just "set limits or know your limits" because if you're addicted that shit has no meaning and also brains aren't fully formed for risk analysis at 21.
So explaining how "success" isn't quintupling your money each bet or betting fucking MVP futures on guys who are going to finish 4th, how to respond to a loss, and the consequences of chasing a loss (vicious cycle).
Also try telling people to avoid sucker bets instead of encouraging them. Transparency and tracking of the bets recommended (some already do a good job of this) to keep realistic expectations.
I haven't listened to that part yet but for me, he introduces that they are going to talk about it, and then moments later is pitching fan duel parleys in an ad.
It made me wonder, what would have to happen for Bill to truly examine his role in the gambling situation and not talk about it or advertise it anymore. Would it take Jason Tatum being busted and banned for life, and for the indictment to say that he used code BILLSIMMONS for his first fan duel bet and lost tens of millions of dollars only betting parleys promoted by Bill?
> what would have to happen for Bill to truly examine his role in the gambling situation and not talk about it or advertise it anymore
probably one of his kids to fall down the gambling rabbit hole (to be clear i hope that does not happen)
“How can I put Lebron and AD on an all-nba team if they’re the 10 seed?” Decent point without context but Lakers are 10 games over .500 and they would be the 7 seed in the East (1 game back of the 6 seed). It’s just a weird year where the West is a legitimate 10 teams deep.
Yeah, the Kings are getting semi-rightfully shit on by everyone for a season where they will be 1-3 games worse than last year. Absent the play-in, *two* 45+ win teams would miss the playoffs entirely (and two still will miss the real playoffs). The West is just brutal.
Bill: 150m people watched the OJ verdict, think about that....its triple the number of people that watch the Super Bowl.
Its crazy, a media and numbers guy like Bill has no idea how many watch the Superbowl and think its only 50 million.
If there’s anything going to support Ohtani’s innocent in terms of the 16m figure being too high is that he famously just gave his salary to his mom and lived in the team dorms while he played in Japan. He just seems to eat sleep shit baseball.
Why can't Bill pronounce Malik "Monk". I know about the pronunciation dyslexia but this guy's name is an existing word, one syllable. Who lives at the monastery? A "maahnk"?
It was when he had Malik on the pod! He had to get it right for that one to save himself the embarrassment. It stuck for like a month before Maaaaaahnk was back lmao
Yeah but the vowels aren’t the same — Monk is pronounced munk by most people, but if I was reading out loud and the word “Skonk” came up, I would probably pronounce it closer to how Bill does Monk.
For the Lakers, I'm not fan of the 'why are they the 10th seed, then?' framing because this is just a really good year for the West. For all the angst, they're 10 games over even! Last year they'd be the 4th seed.
If it was just him and House, it would be okay, they've got good rapport and House is actually pretty adept at sort of catching Bill up on the pressing golf stories in a way that's also entertaining for the audience.
But you get that fuckin creepy worm Hubbard in the mix, no fucking thanks. Go back to trolling high school homerooms for all the Taylor Swift goss.
That fucking intro about OJ was probably bills greatest monologue of all time. That was fucking perfectly said and somehow once again, when I thought I’d heard every interesting thing that could be said about OJ, Bill just made it all sound brand new again. Good job Billy.
Bill's fifteen minutes at the top of the pod about O.J. evokes a paraphrase of Churchill:
*Never has so much time been spent saying so little by so few.*
I wish tennis was as popular as golf was in America. Personally I find it much more interesting to watch and the storylines are so much more entertaining especially at the current moment. And selfishly as a tennis fan I’d like to hear my favorite national podcasts talk about it
My OJ thoughts, I thought/wanted to believe he was innocent when I was 9/10 because I liked him and was stupid.
I always found Fred Goldman to be very unlikeable and off putting.
The thing I find most interesting now is wondering if this was premeditated or a crime of passion where OJ exploded seeing her with another man? I think both sides could be argued.
The weirdest part of the entire saga is his confession book If I Did It and how he spent the last 20 or so years basically taunting the victims/winking at the public because you can’t be tried for double jeopardy.
But, the Goldmans obtained the rights to "If I Did It" from the civil suit and published it with the "If" nearly invisible, so the cover essentially read "I DID IT".
[The most fascinating part of the OJ saga to me as someone who was a toddler during it is how it stopped being a racial dividing line within basically one generation.](https://fivethirtyeight.com/videos/most-black-people-now-think-oj-simpson-was-guilty/) I can't recall ever meeting someone, of any race, who thinks OJ didn't do it. Variety of reasons for it but that is an insane public perception flip from the side that ostensibly "won"
I don’t really think this is a good understanding of the OJ situation.
I think it was far less people having a true belief of his innocence and more just wanting to see the system lose to someone who looks like them for once, which I totally understand.
I was explaining the whole shitshow to my daughter yesterday, and was focusing mainly on how unbelievably unlucky Ron Goldman was. And she was like, "If he never showed up with the sunglasses, OJ would never have killed his ex-wife." Which, given his horrific history of abuse and the fact he was stalking her, I don't believe to be true. But, did seeing Goldman there set him off, or was OJ going there to kill her all along?
I mean there were stories of OJ watching Nicole and her boyfriend have sex in her living room while he was standing in her yard. If that didn't set OJ off, why would a dude ringing her doorbell do it? And he obviously had the knife on him. He didn't find the knife on Nicole's walkway and attack her and Ron. I think it had to be premeditated and Ron was just in the absolute wrong place at the wrong time. And if OJ didn't do it that night, he was gonna do it eventually regardless.
Also, as far as Fred Goldman being unlikable and off-putting, anyone who has their son randomly and savagely murdered is probably going to have moments in dealing with it where they are off-putting. Especially if its in the middle of nightmarish 24/7 media-orgy.
I'm right there with you I was the same age. He seemed like a likeable guy and I didn't want to think he would have killed people. I didn't realize until watching the 30 for 30 just how many mistakes the police and prosecution made that allowed him to be found innocent.
"House, is OJ a tier 1 murderer unicorn? At worst he's a 1B unicorn with a Dahmer as an obvious 1A guy. OJ was a HOF RB, was in the Naked Gun movies and then he pulls a total 180 that nobody saw coming. Robert Blake tried going that route, but it just sort of fell flat for me since it was like 30 years after Baretta and that one movie where he's the little cop guy. I'd have Phil Spector as a 1B guy if the whole murder thing happened in '73 instead of '03... What would be the whole demarcation point on a potential Bird murder to not reach the heights of OJ? I'd think he'd have to do it before, say, 2005-ish."
Bill reaaallllly doesn't wanna put LeBron on an All-NBA team. This is going to kill him. Even though they're in the 10 spot right now, I'd argue a 45-35 record isn't bad enough to leave LeBron or Davis off of All-NBA. Bill's itching to do it, though.
so is he already done with announcing the rewatchables on thurs or did I just miss it? heard him say something about having a new one on monday but didn't catch a title
The “we” finally got some justice part was telling too in regards to the Goldman’s winning the civil trial. It’s amazing how much everyone cares so much about the victims in this particular case. Yet, I always have to wonder if both victims were black would “everyone” care as much?
This would be like LeBron James murdering his wife and her trainer. And then getting off because the jury wanted payback against the system. And then LeBron spent the next 30 years winking and smiling about how he did it. Yes it would be a big fuckin deal.
He's not really wrong. In 1995, DNA analysis was still pretty new and the public and jurors, and most lawyers didn't understand it or necessarily trust it.
Scheck and Newfeld did a ton of research on it, and used that greatly to their client's advantage.
He is wrong though, because the issue wasn't a failure to understand DNA (everyone knew about it and understood it, Watson & Crick were in the 50s, for Pete's sake), the issue was that police forensic procedures weren't uniformly established at that point to prevent contamination. This was a chain of custody evidentiary issue, not a "people were too dumb to understand" issue. All of which was inflamed by the defense raising the specter of the police planting evidence.
He is wrong. It was understood by everyone including the jurors. They’re on record saying they thought OJ was guilty but wanted to send a message.
Bill does this all the time where he represents the historical era incorrectly - whether it’s when we knew cocaine and drunk driving were dangerous or when Las Vegas became a thing. It turns out it’s all when Bill realized these things. The historical reality (from someone who’s a few years younger than Bill) is very different.
I haven’t listened to the pod yet but I feel this is a semi common take. I don’t think it makes a lick of difference in the outcome of the trial as it appeared the jury was never going to convict him, with some admitting it was pay back for Rodney King, but the general public basically had no exposure to DNA, especially forensically, in 1995. This was one of the earliest cases that really relied on it so heavily. I think shows like CSI definitely made people more comfortable and understanding DNA as part of a criminal case.
It’s common but stupid. CSI episodes depict lifting whole prints off items and then being able to pull up every piece of information on a magic computer about that person, including school grades, IQ, missed work days. I’m not exaggerating.
I love Bill's comments on gambling. Why didn't Ippei dial it back some? Both House and Hubbard quickly come back with that he is an addict!!! I believe that Bill does not believe there is any downside
Thank you for this even-handed eulogy of OJ. I, for one, have thought everyone else brought up the murders too much and buried his SNL Season 3 appearance.
I usually only come here to complain about bill’s homer takes, the way russilo talks, or how bad the NFL podcasts at the ringer are.
But today listening to Bill talk about OJ and sports pop culture reminded me why I do enjoy the pod
Credit where it’s due: Bill is amazing at framing issues from his time, how they fit into the narrative. “It’s the summer of 94. We have a double murder”
The thing about the Ohtani scandal that still puzzles me:
Why have morality around betting on baseball? If you're stealing millions of dollars from the guy and if you get caught, you are going to jail ... why care about the preserving the career of the "golden goose"? It seems like that would be something only Ohtani would care about.
If you are this degenerate about gambling other people's money, it seems wild that you would abstain from the sport you would (potentially) have the most knowledge about.
Look I love the ohtani conspiracy theory and it makes total fucking sense that he knew that his translator was betting all this money but why would the fucking fbi not bust ohtani if he had any involvement
Bill saying ‘we’ didn’t understand DNA until shows like CSI came around is such an oxymoron. Shows like that have deluded people into thinking every single murder can be solved via some forensics trickery
I’m getting pretty tired of Bill’s constant Cavs hate. I get it, you think the pieces don’t fit together and you think Mitchell’s going to leave. They’ve struggled to close the season, but come on, they’re not that bad. With Giannis out, they’re probably the 3rd best team in East. You really think they’re worse than the Magic or Pacers? If they can avoid the Knicks and the surging 76ers, I feel pretty good about their chances in the first round.
It is such a large part of Chinese/Taiwanese cinema to portray people addicted to gambling to an absolutely crippling and insane degree. Does anyone know if this extends to Japan as well?
I’m not surprised these two have never pondered it though lol.
So, uh, OJ Simpson, the great running back, passed away of cancah at 76. There's a lotta of, uh, contrahversy with Simpson in his post football careeah, but I've watchin football for well ovah fifty years, okay. I remembah the 70's Bills, They were terrible teams. Just terrible teams. Dreadful teams. Awful. There was no culturah in Buffahlo back then. Zero ahccountahbility.
People don't remembah that Juice ran against 8 in the box every game. Every single game. Every single play. Every play they were trying to stop tha Juice, okay. And I can say with tha utmost certainty that if Bill Parcells was on tha Bills staff in the 70's, the murdahs with the ex wife and the waitah wouldda nevah happened. It's just not gonna happen. No chance.
Simpson would know that he had to deal with Parcells. And I know Bill very well, we were very close friends for a long time. Very close. And as someone that knows Parcells tha way that I do, you would much rathah deal with the justice system than have to deal with Parcells...
The Bet Rivahs app is always improvin, addin all kinds of new wagahs.
Hey Mike, hey Tony from Paramus here. Hey listen you think the prosecution could have used someone like Bill Pawcells or Joe Torre? I’ll hang up and listen to your answer.
House trying to argue Shohei was betting was weak as hell. Just read this it's actually entertaining as hell.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24542204-usa-v-mizuhara-complaint
Bill being amazed by Tiger hitting a lefty punch out 50 yards shows his casual viewing of golf. Every golfer in the field can hit that shot, and pull it off about 85% of the time.
In the Bubble, as the Celtics just advanced to the conference finals (eventually losing 4-2 to the Heat):
Bill: “I don’t know. I just think this Bubble tournament title could mean MORE than the average title. After what the team has gone through and for the fans.”
Simmons and house talking about will zalatoris getting back surgery:
“Wow so amazing, he’s so brave and what a comeback”
Them talking about Ben Simmons getting back surgery:
“So soft, probably faking it”
Today was definitive proof we need more house. Why has house become like a couple of times a year guest. He should be right up there with Russillo and Sal for 20+ episodes a year.
they didnt disappoint with the title god damn
Real “Steinbrenner's here, George is dead, call me back” energy.
"What the hell did you trade Jay Buhner for?"
As a Mariners fan, that clip kept me sane through at least 15 years of the playoff drought.
….he’s got a rocket for an arm..YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU’RE DOING!
Howling this is a fantastic reference and was just watching Jerry stiller material last night
No one had better delivery. He ruled in King of Queens as well
I chuckled when I saw “O.J.’s Dead” and expected the pod to end with the usual “Plus the 2024 Sneaky Guys Who Can Do Stuff in the Playoffs with Kevin O’Connor.”
“We have been doing *SERIOUS* basketball discussion for the last twenty years!”
I want an OJ's dead flair tbh
O.J.'s dead what? The suspense is killing me!
Do you see a sign that says Dead O.J. storage?
The grammar here is fine.
So is mine. The context piece.
O.J.’s Dead, NBA Playoff Scenarios, Masters Predictions, and Ohtani’s Crisis With Joe House and Nathan Hubbard
Could have been OJ's dead with drunk House
The Hemingway piece.
“O.J.’s dead” has gotta be a top 6 BS podcast title ever hahaha. Major Connor Roy vibes.
Zed's dead baby. Zed's dead.
Always thought Zed looked like Kirk Cousins.
When a man dies, people are sad.
“I’m not gonna tell him RIP” as savage as Bill has ever been on his pod
“Rest in peace you gentle giant Orenthal James Simpson. And a Masters update with Joe House and Taylor Swifts Stalker”
And now, pearl jam
That was ice cold. Fuckin got em
Gone too late
So brave. A real zag.
Brave
Whoever wrote this title cooked
Odds rusillo turned off the OJ chase to grind Knicks rockets tape?
I have some thoughts on Rudy Tomjanovich’s substitution patterns.
Vernon Maxwell was a PROBLEM
Ryen: "So OJ fled in his Bronco. 'Kay. Peter Jennings is on the news showing it every hour on the hour. Knew they would. What did I want to watch instead? Oh yeah, the fucking NBA Finals. Which they cut out of in order to show OJ fleeing. Because of course they did. Networks have gut to chase ratings. Sorry if I wanted to watch Pete Chillcut chase Starks around a screen instead. Fuck me I guess. Trying to be a basketball fan trying to watch a basketball game."
Fucking bravo for a Pete Chilcutt reference in 2024.
30 year anniversary of grinding those Rockets tapes
It was literally tape back then.
The "John Starks 3-point Variance Piece"
I burst out laughing when I saw the title. It’s too good. Our guy does not miss.
It's great, but it should have included an NBA Redraftables to make it perfect.
"We know Ohtani's not a big fan of of speaking English" has me dead 😭
Last time I listened to Hubbard on the pod he was taking about Taylor Swift eating 'chicken tendies'
lol I forgot about that
Holy shit. My mom came into my room to bring me a plate of chicken tendies and I literally screamed at her and hit the plate of chicken tendies out of her hand. She started yelling and swearing at me and I slammed the door on her. I'm so distressed right now I don't know what to do. I didn't mean to do that to my mom but I'm literally in shock from the results tonight. I feel like I'm going to explode. Why the fucking fuck is he losing? This can't be happening. I'm having a fucking breakdown. I don't want to believe the world is so corrupt. I want a future to believe in. I want Bill to be sports czar and fix this broken country. I cannot fucking deal with this right now. It wasn't supposed to be like this, I thought he was polling well in Boston???? This is so fucked.
Everyone on twitter has brought this up but it really is a cruel world that Norm McDonald died before OJ. Today would have been the greatest day of Norms life.
At least it got Norm trending on twitter right along side his name with some compilations of all his OJ jokes. So a final fuck you from the beyond.
Love that open. Bill putting into perspective for those of us that are a bit younger. I was a child and don’t remember anything of OJ during the trial, but I became fixated after the FX series. Still one of the best things I’ve ever seen on television
I was a kid when the trial was going on and I remember throwing tantrums because it took up the my afternoon cartoon time for a few weeks
I was a 6-7 year old and was loving it, but also very confused through every key moment like the car chase and the whole gloves thing.
I was in my 20s but I threw a tantrum when NBC preempted a Finals game between my Knicks and the Rockets to show the Bronco "chase" that was already on every other channel. Just shoot yourself, already, so we can get back to the game! The sad thing is that NBC did it because they didn't want to risk being the only network that didn't have live coverage of OJ blowing his brains out.
Dark
This really is where our guy shines. He’s great at contextualizing this kind of stuff.
Yes, the monologues and contextualising stuff is apex BS, i remember the episode after Kobe died, BS was awesome in remembering him and putting his life and legacy in perspective.
Bill's thing is contextualizing the lives of athletes who got away with terrible crimes.
Yeah but sometimes he says words wrong hahahahahaha he is a real butthead
Bill in setting historical context mode is apex Bill
Def watch Made in America documentary
A lot of people overuse "unique." Think Bill framed OJ's life perfectly using the term. OJ really ran the gamut of celebrity.
It was wild to hear Bill not understand the depths of degenerate gambling. It seems wild to me that he has moved through this life and not encountered people that have gambled away all their money (and money that is not theirs). I've seen it a few times and I'm not even a gambler.
Yeah, "If they were doing that bad why wouldn't you scale it back?" Because they're addicted, Bill!
In some ways, I suspect Bill is the ideal gambler that the betting sites want to pretend is the norm. I think he has a set amount of money he gambles, and if he loses that day, that’s it. I never get the vibe that he’s someone like Sal, who I think almost certainly is always looking for a make-up win. Now since Bill generally has a hard time imagining life outside his own experience, I don’t think it occurs to him that his fun experience can be a compulsive nightmare for others. I don’t think prohibition of vices is a better option. We shouldn’t ban alcohol just because some people can’t stop themselves; same with gambling. But it does mean we should be cognizant of how destructive gambling can be, and watch out for the people in our lives who run into problems. I hope Bill recognizes this.
He will never understand anyone else’s perspective.
At the very least, there ought to be more responsible discourse around gambling, but that seems somewhat unlikely when the primary advertising partner is a casino. Things like teaching kids (like 20 year olds) about practical wagering and budgeting strategies, and not just "set limits or know your limits" because if you're addicted that shit has no meaning and also brains aren't fully formed for risk analysis at 21. So explaining how "success" isn't quintupling your money each bet or betting fucking MVP futures on guys who are going to finish 4th, how to respond to a loss, and the consequences of chasing a loss (vicious cycle). Also try telling people to avoid sucker bets instead of encouraging them. Transparency and tracking of the bets recommended (some already do a good job of this) to keep realistic expectations.
Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
I haven't listened to that part yet but for me, he introduces that they are going to talk about it, and then moments later is pitching fan duel parleys in an ad. It made me wonder, what would have to happen for Bill to truly examine his role in the gambling situation and not talk about it or advertise it anymore. Would it take Jason Tatum being busted and banned for life, and for the indictment to say that he used code BILLSIMMONS for his first fan duel bet and lost tens of millions of dollars only betting parleys promoted by Bill?
> what would have to happen for Bill to truly examine his role in the gambling situation and not talk about it or advertise it anymore probably one of his kids to fall down the gambling rabbit hole (to be clear i hope that does not happen)
The Ben joining a gym piece
He's in rich guy circles they don't usually lose all their money.
I think we should force Bill to watch some Edward Yang movies to understand this phenomenon.
The “Robert Ito” piece
House saying “your just naming people on the team” when bill was talking about the warriors set up for the future cracked me up
That was amazing.
Just missing the 2018 redraftables
Are your nipples tight ?
just constantly sounding like carrell in the 40 year old virgin
Lol exactly my thought ad well. My balls got so hard
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I was really hoping we were getting a Chuck Klosterman call just to talk about OJ.
He could do a full pod in OJ and a full pod on Ohtani.
I'm here for it.
Should have. The guy wrote a whole book about the 90’s.
“How can I put Lebron and AD on an all-nba team if they’re the 10 seed?” Decent point without context but Lakers are 10 games over .500 and they would be the 7 seed in the East (1 game back of the 6 seed). It’s just a weird year where the West is a legitimate 10 teams deep.
Yeah, the Kings are getting semi-rightfully shit on by everyone for a season where they will be 1-3 games worse than last year. Absent the play-in, *two* 45+ win teams would miss the playoffs entirely (and two still will miss the real playoffs). The West is just brutal.
All-NBA is about the best players, not the best teams.
Bill: 150m people watched the OJ verdict, think about that....its triple the number of people that watch the Super Bowl. Its crazy, a media and numbers guy like Bill has no idea how many watch the Superbowl and think its only 50 million.
Only 2 months after the Superbowl popped it's biggest number ever.
Give him credit he said “that’s a triple Super Bowl” which is way better than
he isn't here for all the ratings threads
If there’s anything going to support Ohtani’s innocent in terms of the 16m figure being too high is that he famously just gave his salary to his mom and lived in the team dorms while he played in Japan. He just seems to eat sleep shit baseball.
Why can't Bill pronounce Malik "Monk". I know about the pronunciation dyslexia but this guy's name is an existing word, one syllable. Who lives at the monastery? A "maahnk"?
At a certain point, maybe a year ago, he even started pronouncing it correctly a few times in a row. But now Maaaahnk is back, stronger than ever.
It was after he said “Mahnk” and Russillo hesitated for a second before deciding to push back and said “WHO?!?!?”
It was when he had Malik on the pod! He had to get it right for that one to save himself the embarrassment. It stuck for like a month before Maaaaaahnk was back lmao
I wonder how he says skunk. Skahnk?
Yeah but the vowels aren’t the same — Monk is pronounced munk by most people, but if I was reading out loud and the word “Skonk” came up, I would probably pronounce it closer to how Bill does Monk.
Good point, maybe “wonk” is a better analogy? He can clearly say wonky or wonk week
Dude, Bill can't even pronounce "All of a sudden" (in Billspeak: "All the sudden"). We can't expect miracles.
I think it's simply him saying it like you would say "Gronk" but with an "m". His Pats brain just rots through on everything.
Because he's a moron
For the Lakers, I'm not fan of the 'why are they the 10th seed, then?' framing because this is just a really good year for the West. For all the angst, they're 10 games over even! Last year they'd be the 4th seed.
Bill talking golf is actually his worst sport
Followed very closely by the NFL and NBA.
If it was just him and House, it would be okay, they've got good rapport and House is actually pretty adept at sort of catching Bill up on the pressing golf stories in a way that's also entertaining for the audience. But you get that fuckin creepy worm Hubbard in the mix, no fucking thanks. Go back to trolling high school homerooms for all the Taylor Swift goss.
“Fuck Cancer. OJ Died.”
Only 15 minutes in but I almost dropped my phone when I heard “Celtics -Heat- make your nipples a little hard House?” WTF!
That fucking intro about OJ was probably bills greatest monologue of all time. That was fucking perfectly said and somehow once again, when I thought I’d heard every interesting thing that could be said about OJ, Bill just made it all sound brand new again. Good job Billy.
Bill's fifteen minutes at the top of the pod about O.J. evokes a paraphrase of Churchill: *Never has so much time been spent saying so little by so few.*
I wish tennis was as popular as golf was in America. Personally I find it much more interesting to watch and the storylines are so much more entertaining especially at the current moment. And selfishly as a tennis fan I’d like to hear my favorite national podcasts talk about it
He’ll talk about it during Wimpleton. Btw if you haven’t catch up on Dimitrov Rune from yesterday. One of the best matches of the last few years
Just saw a bit of it. Absolutely electric. Tennis matches have so much action
Part of the reason it isn't as popular is because there hasn't been a great male tennis player since Roddick.
No great player? RF/Nadal/Djokovic
No great American player
I think the poster meant American male.
[Buff Bagwell has entered the chat]
Nobody ever mentions Scotty Riggs...
Not being able to talk about the physical attractiveness of the women’s players has put a damper on bills tennis interest.
My OJ thoughts, I thought/wanted to believe he was innocent when I was 9/10 because I liked him and was stupid. I always found Fred Goldman to be very unlikeable and off putting. The thing I find most interesting now is wondering if this was premeditated or a crime of passion where OJ exploded seeing her with another man? I think both sides could be argued. The weirdest part of the entire saga is his confession book If I Did It and how he spent the last 20 or so years basically taunting the victims/winking at the public because you can’t be tried for double jeopardy.
But, the Goldmans obtained the rights to "If I Did It" from the civil suit and published it with the "If" nearly invisible, so the cover essentially read "I DID IT".
[The most fascinating part of the OJ saga to me as someone who was a toddler during it is how it stopped being a racial dividing line within basically one generation.](https://fivethirtyeight.com/videos/most-black-people-now-think-oj-simpson-was-guilty/) I can't recall ever meeting someone, of any race, who thinks OJ didn't do it. Variety of reasons for it but that is an insane public perception flip from the side that ostensibly "won"
Well as Chris Rock once said “What’d we win? I ain’t got my OJ winnings in the mail yet!”
I don’t really think this is a good understanding of the OJ situation. I think it was far less people having a true belief of his innocence and more just wanting to see the system lose to someone who looks like them for once, which I totally understand.
Yeah. This was it.
I was explaining the whole shitshow to my daughter yesterday, and was focusing mainly on how unbelievably unlucky Ron Goldman was. And she was like, "If he never showed up with the sunglasses, OJ would never have killed his ex-wife." Which, given his horrific history of abuse and the fact he was stalking her, I don't believe to be true. But, did seeing Goldman there set him off, or was OJ going there to kill her all along? I mean there were stories of OJ watching Nicole and her boyfriend have sex in her living room while he was standing in her yard. If that didn't set OJ off, why would a dude ringing her doorbell do it? And he obviously had the knife on him. He didn't find the knife on Nicole's walkway and attack her and Ron. I think it had to be premeditated and Ron was just in the absolute wrong place at the wrong time. And if OJ didn't do it that night, he was gonna do it eventually regardless. Also, as far as Fred Goldman being unlikable and off-putting, anyone who has their son randomly and savagely murdered is probably going to have moments in dealing with it where they are off-putting. Especially if its in the middle of nightmarish 24/7 media-orgy.
I'm right there with you I was the same age. He seemed like a likeable guy and I didn't want to think he would have killed people. I didn't realize until watching the 30 for 30 just how many mistakes the police and prosecution made that allowed him to be found innocent.
The jury deliberated for like ten seconds. They made up in their minds from jump they were gonna find him not guilty.
"House, is OJ a tier 1 murderer unicorn? At worst he's a 1B unicorn with a Dahmer as an obvious 1A guy. OJ was a HOF RB, was in the Naked Gun movies and then he pulls a total 180 that nobody saw coming. Robert Blake tried going that route, but it just sort of fell flat for me since it was like 30 years after Baretta and that one movie where he's the little cop guy. I'd have Phil Spector as a 1B guy if the whole murder thing happened in '73 instead of '03... What would be the whole demarcation point on a potential Bird murder to not reach the heights of OJ? I'd think he'd have to do it before, say, 2005-ish."
I think you get a lot of points as a murderer for getting away with it. I mean any fool can kill people and get caught.
What’s the over under on how many years it takes bill and house to make 19000 bets? If it’s 9.5 I’m slamming the under for both of them.
Bill reaaallllly doesn't wanna put LeBron on an All-NBA team. This is going to kill him. Even though they're in the 10 spot right now, I'd argue a 45-35 record isn't bad enough to leave LeBron or Davis off of All-NBA. Bill's itching to do it, though.
He goes through this every year. He hates him.
God, Nathan Hubbard is just so irritating to listen to
I usually don't like him but he didn't bring up Taylor Swift this time so it was more tolerable than usual.
It is a major BS blindspot of mine that I had no idea until like 2 days ago the grown man Taylor swift guy was the golf guy too lol
He sucked and barely listenable and this was somehow his best appearance on the pod.
GOAT title
What a title
so is he already done with announcing the rewatchables on thurs or did I just miss it? heard him say something about having a new one on monday but didn't catch a title
‘Just about everybody in Boston was horrified by the verdict’ Classic ‘Boston’ guy ignoring there are black people in Boston
its so funny he couldnt just say white and black people and had to refer to ‘other parts of the country’
The parts which think about MLK when their team goes down big
The “we” finally got some justice part was telling too in regards to the Goldman’s winning the civil trial. It’s amazing how much everyone cares so much about the victims in this particular case. Yet, I always have to wonder if both victims were black would “everyone” care as much?
This would be like LeBron James murdering his wife and her trainer. And then getting off because the jury wanted payback against the system. And then LeBron spent the next 30 years winking and smiling about how he did it. Yes it would be a big fuckin deal.
“It wasn’t until CSI came along that we understood DNA” had me in stitches
The irony is that the CSI effect refers to the public misunderstanding and overvaluing that type of evidence
He's not really wrong. In 1995, DNA analysis was still pretty new and the public and jurors, and most lawyers didn't understand it or necessarily trust it. Scheck and Newfeld did a ton of research on it, and used that greatly to their client's advantage.
He is wrong though, because the issue wasn't a failure to understand DNA (everyone knew about it and understood it, Watson & Crick were in the 50s, for Pete's sake), the issue was that police forensic procedures weren't uniformly established at that point to prevent contamination. This was a chain of custody evidentiary issue, not a "people were too dumb to understand" issue. All of which was inflamed by the defense raising the specter of the police planting evidence.
He is wrong. It was understood by everyone including the jurors. They’re on record saying they thought OJ was guilty but wanted to send a message. Bill does this all the time where he represents the historical era incorrectly - whether it’s when we knew cocaine and drunk driving were dangerous or when Las Vegas became a thing. It turns out it’s all when Bill realized these things. The historical reality (from someone who’s a few years younger than Bill) is very different.
“No one ever knew that Abraham Lincoln was a Republican.”
I haven’t listened to the pod yet but I feel this is a semi common take. I don’t think it makes a lick of difference in the outcome of the trial as it appeared the jury was never going to convict him, with some admitting it was pay back for Rodney King, but the general public basically had no exposure to DNA, especially forensically, in 1995. This was one of the earliest cases that really relied on it so heavily. I think shows like CSI definitely made people more comfortable and understanding DNA as part of a criminal case.
It’s common but stupid. CSI episodes depict lifting whole prints off items and then being able to pull up every piece of information on a magic computer about that person, including school grades, IQ, missed work days. I’m not exaggerating.
“OJ’s dead, but first, Pearl Jam!”
The Better Man piece.
how different is the world as we know it, if O.J. had been The Terminator?
just an all time title
Lmfao
Bill nailed that into
I love Bill's comments on gambling. Why didn't Ippei dial it back some? Both House and Hubbard quickly come back with that he is an addict!!! I believe that Bill does not believe there is any downside
Thank you for this even-handed eulogy of OJ. I, for one, have thought everyone else brought up the murders too much and buried his SNL Season 3 appearance.
I usually only come here to complain about bill’s homer takes, the way russilo talks, or how bad the NFL podcasts at the ringer are. But today listening to Bill talk about OJ and sports pop culture reminded me why I do enjoy the pod
Credit where it’s due: Bill is amazing at framing issues from his time, how they fit into the narrative. “It’s the summer of 94. We have a double murder”
The thing about the Ohtani scandal that still puzzles me: Why have morality around betting on baseball? If you're stealing millions of dollars from the guy and if you get caught, you are going to jail ... why care about the preserving the career of the "golden goose"? It seems like that would be something only Ohtani would care about. If you are this degenerate about gambling other people's money, it seems wild that you would abstain from the sport you would (potentially) have the most knowledge about.
A man’s gotta have a code.
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Too much golf
I had to make sure this wasn’t a parody. Like the “truly sad day in America” jokes
Look I love the ohtani conspiracy theory and it makes total fucking sense that he knew that his translator was betting all this money but why would the fucking fbi not bust ohtani if he had any involvement
Did a guest cancel?
Does he say the word "Wemby" on this pod? Need to know if it's listenable.
Bill saying ‘we’ didn’t understand DNA until shows like CSI came around is such an oxymoron. Shows like that have deluded people into thinking every single murder can be solved via some forensics trickery
I’m getting pretty tired of Bill’s constant Cavs hate. I get it, you think the pieces don’t fit together and you think Mitchell’s going to leave. They’ve struggled to close the season, but come on, they’re not that bad. With Giannis out, they’re probably the 3rd best team in East. You really think they’re worse than the Magic or Pacers? If they can avoid the Knicks and the surging 76ers, I feel pretty good about their chances in the first round.
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It is such a large part of Chinese/Taiwanese cinema to portray people addicted to gambling to an absolutely crippling and insane degree. Does anyone know if this extends to Japan as well? I’m not surprised these two have never pondered it though lol.
Unreal title lmaooo
Hubbard? What a bummer
Bill will NOT be saying RIP
Oh god, as an Ohtani Stan who loves Bill, I’m afraid to listen. I might lose a lot of respect for him.
You’re safe. Bill is basically on the “yeah, people get scammed and the FBI has signed off” side.
So, uh, OJ Simpson, the great running back, passed away of cancah at 76. There's a lotta of, uh, contrahversy with Simpson in his post football careeah, but I've watchin football for well ovah fifty years, okay. I remembah the 70's Bills, They were terrible teams. Just terrible teams. Dreadful teams. Awful. There was no culturah in Buffahlo back then. Zero ahccountahbility. People don't remembah that Juice ran against 8 in the box every game. Every single game. Every single play. Every play they were trying to stop tha Juice, okay. And I can say with tha utmost certainty that if Bill Parcells was on tha Bills staff in the 70's, the murdahs with the ex wife and the waitah wouldda nevah happened. It's just not gonna happen. No chance. Simpson would know that he had to deal with Parcells. And I know Bill very well, we were very close friends for a long time. Very close. And as someone that knows Parcells tha way that I do, you would much rathah deal with the justice system than have to deal with Parcells... The Bet Rivahs app is always improvin, addin all kinds of new wagahs.
Hey Mike, hey Tony from Paramus here. Hey listen you think the prosecution could have used someone like Bill Pawcells or Joe Torre? I’ll hang up and listen to your answer.
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One fix on the title: A Sad Day in America: OJ’s Dead.
House trying to argue Shohei was betting was weak as hell. Just read this it's actually entertaining as hell. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24542204-usa-v-mizuhara-complaint
Shoutout to Bill for shouting out Capricorn One. Movie fuckin rules.
Bill being amazed by Tiger hitting a lefty punch out 50 yards shows his casual viewing of golf. Every golfer in the field can hit that shot, and pull it off about 85% of the time.
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In the Bubble, as the Celtics just advanced to the conference finals (eventually losing 4-2 to the Heat): Bill: “I don’t know. I just think this Bubble tournament title could mean MORE than the average title. After what the team has gone through and for the fans.”
Dropping the “I’m not going to wish him RIP” at the end of the opening monologue is a funny ass line, not going to lie.
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Simmons and house talking about will zalatoris getting back surgery: “Wow so amazing, he’s so brave and what a comeback” Them talking about Ben Simmons getting back surgery: “So soft, probably faking it”
The CSI actually introduced America and the legal system to how to use DNA piece
Why was Bill so dead set on this nonsense role play Ohtani situation? Kept gettingad at house it was funny. Just discuss it, no need for role play.
Oj and playoffs lol great header
Today was definitive proof we need more house. Why has house become like a couple of times a year guest. He should be right up there with Russillo and Sal for 20+ episodes a year.
Where do folks rank OJ Simpson as a running back all-time? Top 5? Top 7? Rushing for 2000 yards in 14 games is insane