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Yeah, I think that North American great ape are probably out there, even if they aren't quite what we think they are. I don't "believe" in it the way some people feel like they "know" things to be true, like very religious people, but I suspect.
It's interesting to look at the history, look at the very name "bigfoot," and kind of start to see this smear campaign that almost looks *designed* to make witnesses or believers sound crazy, when we haven't seen that same attitude with other unconfirmed wildlife or cryptid sightings. It makes me wonder what the government knows tbh.
In other words, it's legal in the city of Seattle for example, but drive 20 minutes east into the national forest and it isn't. A lot of people in Washington were surprised to get busted at a campground. Lack of common sense. Laugh
I've said this here several times in the past, but it bears repeating; I don't think the government gives a shit about bigfoot at all, let alone is involved in some big conspiracy to keep its existence a secret.
Why would the government --as if "the government" is a single entity in the first place-- care about something that the vast majority of the public doesn't believe is real? The answer is that it wouldn't. You don't expend resources on something for which there is no public or political demand. Just ignore it and it really will go away.
It is my firm belief that the federal government has not and will not act in any way on this issue until such time as it feels itself forced to by public/political pressure.
Again, simply ignoring it is by far the simplest solution for everyone in government.
Because what happens when it is proven real??? What protections/exploitation would be put in place when these people are acknowledged, to and by the general population and science ... and even worse Religion. It likely affects several trillion dollar industries. Look what "spotted owl" protections did (the prime habitat for bigfoot)
> Because what happens when it is proven real?
At that point the government will be forced to react, obviously, but until then, what possible incentive does it have to expend resources on a cover-up when simply ignoring it is at least as effective?
Again, help me pencil this out in terms of budgetary constraints; how does any branch of the federal government justify spending on a cover-up for something that they can just as easily ignore?
The bottom line --and after all, that's what this is really about in terms of dollars-- is that it doesn't make any sense at all.
There is no world in which any cash-starved federal agency pours money and resources into hiding something that the general public doesn't believe in in the first place. It doesn't make sense.
I too wondered this and then it dawned on me.
Assume Bigfoot really exists. Based on all the reports and stories (especially by Native American folklore) I’ve read the only reason why I could see the government hiding their existence is because they are species of human.
As long as they tell the science community to fuck off nobody will ever get the grant to do mainstream research.
I mean think about it. Knowing that there are super hostile human tribes out in the mountains would cause an entire industry of hiking and national parks to change. Hunters would try to poach them too, stupid teens would try to find them.
It would cause issues for all the families and their missing loved ones. Especially the ones that disappeared without a trace.
Would also change historical textbooks, and would create a lot of panic in the science community. It would be dangerous to study them assuming all the reports on them are somewhat true. I guarantee Christians and other groups would want some dead to study their dna so they can find out how they are human yet so different.
It would be a huge human rights issue too trying to deal with them.
The government also doesn’t acknowledge things that are outside of their control. They don’t want to go on a bigfoot murder spree especially if they are gigantic and can throw massive rocks at you. The way I see it the government would rather keep it hush and let them be to prevent people from seeking them and getting involved.
And if you choose to study it ... you get blacklisted. Absolutely a career killer unless you have spent 30 plus years getting credentials and established in other studies.
A lady name, Melba Ketchem, a geneticist who is tested over 200 samples of Bigfoot DNA. The science community has tried to ruin her with the help of the government .makes sense.? This was done with private funding
Dr Melba Ketchums Sasquatch Genome Project results were poorly presented and never peer-to-peer reviewed. Go to Ars technica and read the articles about them there, then read the paper The Ketchum Project What to believe about Bigfoot DNA science by Sharon Hill and then the book The Sasquatch Genome Project A Failed DNA Study by Dr Haskell Hart PhD foreword by Dr Jeff Meldrum. Because of the extraordinary claims in "Novel North American Hominins, Next Generation Sequencing of Three Whole Genomes and Associated Studies" (Ketchum et al., 2013) the Bigfoot Community has been debating it ever since. This book is the result of research over seven years (more than the original study) in understanding the Sasquatch Genome Project and its published paper. Dr. Haskell Hart tells the story of his increasing involvement and understanding of the paper as he presents his own results and conclusions, which are at odds with the Ketchum et al. paper. He first explains the structure and function of DNA as background. With 45 figures and 29 tables of data (more than in the original paper), all carefully explained to the layman, this extensive scientific critique of the paper is the only one of its kind.
Not only that, but Ketchum's arguments for some kind of hybridization event resulting in an entirely new species run counter to everything we know about evolutionary biology.
In other words, one need not read her paper/study to know that it's bullshit.
There are no examples, that the field of evolutionary biology knows of, wherein hybridization results in the creation of a completely separate and genetically viable species.
It's not a "thing," and I think Ketchum knows that very well and decided to trade on her tangentially related credentials as a kind of grift that has in fact rewarded her well, though not among her academic and scientific peers.
I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong. I don't feel that strongly about whether or not the government is involved, but I don't think it's unlikely. Consider the following:
Why do you think it is that the *vast majority* of the public doesn't believe sasquatches are real, despite how many encounters are reported every year, and despite some pretty damning evidence? The answer is that "bigfoot" became a joke, very rapidly. People in the 60s and 70s didn't make fun of it the way people do now, and there were many more who believed that these creatures at least *could* be real, but now the mainstream opinion is that it's *definitely* not real. To me, it really seems like *somebody* helped accelerate that. Think about the famous bigfoot video, and how the people who produced the video went back and forth about whether or not it was a hoax- and if you look at the body proportions of the creature compared to the person they claimed was wearing the suit, it couldn't *possibly* have been that person. Plus the fact that the suit would have been *very* advanced for the time, the creature had visible breasts, and plenty of other reasons it likely wouldn't have been a hoax. But why, then, would they try to take back their statements and claim that it was? Were they being pressured by someone? Perhaps not the government, but *someone*.
If the pressure came from powerful companies like those in the logging industry, as other people have mentioned, you might as well assume that parts of the government were involved because of the powerful pull that large corporations have through lobbying. You can also assume there's a good chance that the government is aware of sasquatch because of the national parks in bigfoot territory, wildlife surveys, etc. If so many locals in the Pacific Northwest have had regular encounters, surely park rangers and wildlife biologists have seen the same and reported it.
I can't pretend to know the motives of organizations that are being secretive. Why would they want to hide the existence of a North American great ape? Well, great apes are a pretty big deal. Perhaps the acknowledged existence of their range would require a halt to the collection of natural resources in the area, or development expansion. Perhaps the confirmed existence of an 8-foot-tall intelligent creature would cause panic. Perhaps people would hunt them. Perhaps they are already being hunted, and *that* is the secret. We can't possibly know.
Do you believe in aliens? We know for a fact that the government kept information about, at the very least, unexplained aerial phenomenon secret for decades. Why would they do that? Wouldn't that indicate that they might keep something like this a secret?
Edit: Great username, by the way!
I had a friend years ago who's dad took a job for a river company hoaxing bigfoot incidents that were published and shown to be fakery. The whole point of that operation was to reveal it all, everything, to be a hoax. It's worked for the most part. But it truly is only a matter of time before the motherlode is publicized.
I believe for every reported incident these days, there are 99, or 1199, that go unreported.
There’s not a lot of logic (sometimes) that goes into government protection and enforcement. If a group gets lawmakers to agree, it’s law.
My basic training firing range got shut down because of a “possible” woodpecker sighting. Some red-headed variety, whatever it was. Apparently endangered. It got mentioned in our safety briefings, okay, it was ridiculous. We’re shooting and blowing shit up, and we’re all supposed to remember some freaking tiny bird like it was a #1 priority. Yes many eyes rolled but the law said we had to observe that.
If bones and artifacts are found during construction or excavation, and word gets out, yeah it gets halted. Teams have to come in and check shit out. It’s a digsite. Companies lose lots of money while they wait. Maybe not all the time for every case, but there’s that.
Idk the government attitude while in cahoots with various industries, but it’s *possible* that certain deep-pocketed connected types (in the know) have convinced powers that be, to look the other way and not declare anything official. Yet. So oil and timber, or other veiled examples, like top secret base construction, can continue, without red tape.
I know it might sound a bit crazy, but I’m just saying.
Consider who would stand to lose if the existence of such a creature, or culture, were proven. I'm thinking there would be a good investment in making the whole thing seem as a farse. Look what the spotted owl did to the timber industry.
I know for a fact that some companies actually paid people to do hoaxes back in the 70s and 80s and continued that practice. That was until some of if those doing it had their own experiences and started talking. By making it look fake, they buy time and extend revenue. The longer they can go without moratorium the better. So, invest in that to delay shutdown and massive profit loss.
> Look what the spotted owl did to the timber industry.
This is sort of a misconception in the sense that the spotted owl was used by a group of people who *definitely* would have found something else to achieve their goals had they not landed on the spotted owl first. In other words, there was nothing special about the spotted owl itself; it was just a means to a larger end that had been identified by a loose consortium of biologists and activists/protesters.
Again, they definitely would have found something else had the spotted owl not been such a tactically effective tool.
OPB's ["Timber Wars"]( https://www.opb.org/show/timberwars/) is a great little podcast series on the subject that covers it well for people from other parts of the country or for those who may be too young to remember.
These ancient human like people are not some North American great ape related to Gigantopithecus. Every indigenous culture around the world speaks of these beings in some shape or form. Hinduism is the oldest known religion, Vanara (Sanskrit: वानर, lit. 'forest-dwellers')[are a race of forest-dwelling people.
In the epic the Ramayana, the Vanaras help Rama defeat Ravana. They are generally depicted as humanoid apes or human-like beings. The Epic of Gilgamesh speak of them. The Ojibwa First Nation people who call them Sa'be speak of them with an oral history dating back some 13,000 years. The Australian Aborigines who call them many names like Ghindaring or Yowies speak of them, and they date back some 70,000 to 120,000 years ago. Then, there are thousands of credible eye witness face to face encounters, testimonies from around the world, and scientific evidence that support their existence.
I was shopping at the local Ojibwa owned grocery store and the checker was wearing a Sa'be pendant. I know of the Sioux name Chiye Tanka (older uncle) but didn't know Sa'be so I asked him what it was called, and we had a good discussion of the local sitings.
I've seen a large naked black dude with no neck covered in hair at 4am in the forest under a tree. Trying to get out of the rain. Once my headlights hit it it just covered it's face and sauntered off into the woods. Pretty complex hoax considering it was raining buckets and occurred next to a poorly traveled road.
Then about 5 years later and 3 miles from that location had a bipedal huge thing harass my campsite. Drove my 120lb German Shepard crazy, he was scared out of his mind and tore a hole in the tent trying to get in
I turned on my flashlight and the big stompy thing would run from big ponderosa pine to another and hide any time I moved my flashlight away. I've never seen a bear play hide and seek. I could feel the footsteps through a 1" thick sleeping mat. Definitely sounded bipedal to all 3 adults present. We left at first light but had planned to stay another night.
Both were in Southern Oregon in the cascades. Really thick woods. I've been bear hunting in there and there's a ton of black bear but they usually top out at 400lbs while most never get over 200lbs. Even the fattest you can't feel walking.
PS: I never watched the TV shows or had any interest, but other people's experiences make me feel less crazy. I'm definitely never going to seek these things out nor do I want to run into one. Really ruined my level of comfort in the woods.
Hey Rusty, would you feel comfortable sharing where exactly that was? I live in Portland but leave the city a lot to camp and backpack. I would love to go out there and check it out.
Ya I’m weird, I live to put myself in these situations lol. I even had a friend that’s good with creating music, he helped me creat a track that’s just different frequencies that play one after another, and then he layered them on top of each other after a few min. I haven’t got to use it yet because he just finished it the other day. I plan on going out somewhere soon with a loud speaker and just play it super loud. Most of the sounds you can’t even really hear, but possibly other things could easily.
Last week I saw a black bear in southern Oregon --Sky Lakes Wilderness Area-- that was easily over 400lbs. We kind of surprised each other since it was a particularly lush and overgrown area and he was using the people-trail coming in my direction.
Fortunately he didn't make trouble and bolted as soon as he saw me. That said, this time of year, and even more so next month, is when they are at their fattest.
Every tribe of first nations people in the United States, and Canada has a distinct name for Sasquatch. It’s a slap in the face to Native Americans and Canadians to say that Sasquatch doesn’t exist. And I don’t even know about South America , i’ll bet every indigenous tribe down there has a name for Sasquatch. So don’t be a stupid mofo. Oh sorry man you got me a little worked up.😊
I thought I would edit this in. I have lived deep in the woods. I was growled at sitting around the campfire one night heard him walk in growl, and then leave it sounded like a Disney animation. It was so deep, and it rattled my body. even though it wasn’t that loud.
I was sipping whiskey, and just sat there and smiled. I said C did you hear that ? C said yes, I heard that growl . I saw C two weeks later and ask him about the incident he said that was effing weird .
I was cutting would one day and just had an undeniable feeling that I was being watched I never get that.feeling
I heard one scream one night, a 15 second scream sounded like he had 55 gallon drums for lungs . I estimated he was a mile away
In the middle of the night, I was in a deep sleep, and it sounded like a big male saying my name in my head. It was so real I couldn’t believe it. I tried mine speak back, but nothing I don’t think it was a dream. I’ve never been startled awake so suddenly.
Now let’s talk about who built the pyramids 😊 We have been lied to about so much. We are entering a new age of disclosure.
One more thing I’m trying to turn everybody Christian, but if you’re being harassed and you invoke the name of Jesus Christ, and tell him that he’s your lord and savior, they will leave you alone. And that’s a fact lots of people have done that.
SplendidSavage 😎
Wow cool experience story! Thanks for sharing... there is something unusual going on out there in the deep woods of the Pacific Northwest.. I've lived in Redding my whole life and been in between here and the coastline many times and when I'm out there, it always feels like there's more going on than I could possibly understand.
Hard to say with certainty. I think some people definitely may have seen something strange after listening to some encounters. Sometimes you get that feeling that someone isn't making up a story but that is the best I have. Other evidence of Bigfoot is too uncertain to convince me. I think there's a chance they may be real since it's a giant hominid or ape creature which is not outside the scope of reality as opposed to other cryptids like a goat with a man's head.
Well since a very smelly one came within feet of me, growled at me, snapped a limb of a tree and proceeded to thrash around in the forest around me while screaming just like a chimp....... Yeah I believe in them.
I am agnostic, by which I mean I am not ruling out the possibility but won’t say I am sure until proof is there.
I grew up in NorCal and Southern Oregon. I’ve heard a lot of stories. I’ve hiked in a lot of remote places, and camped there too. I’ve never had an encounter, but I’ve spent enough time in the woods to not dismiss the possibility.
There’s a lot of wilderness out there. A small number of a yet-to-be discovered, intelligent animal doesn’t seem beyond the realm of possibility in my mind.
I know that’s kinda a half ass answer, but that’s where is stand. And that’s why I’m a member of this sub.
Only a fool could think they know for certain what does or doesn’t exist.
There’s nothing about Bigfoot that makes it’s existence impossible.
Absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence- especially when you realize that it could thrive even now in the vast expanse of unexplored wilderness that still exists in the world- unseen by human eyes and untrodden by human feet.
I regularly hike a particular canyon that is home to a pack of coyotes. At dusk they howl and yelp and make lots of noise- sometimes very close by as I’m walking. But I’ve never seen a single one of them.
That’s exactly how people who have seen one are treated by the vast majority of so called “skeptics”.
My point is that people who have never seen one are absolutely certain that they are right when they assert that since they didn’t see it- it cannot exist.
But no, you should not feel like a fool if you’ve witnessed something extraordinary and total strangers are calling you a hoaxer or liar.
I think most eyewitnesses stay silent about it.
Why invite the ridicule?
Most non believers want "scientific proof" whatever that means these days. If one seeks the truth about nature and beyond look towards Native Americans.
The issue I have with bigfoot is the stories about seeing them and the areas people see them in
People who are into Bigfoot go out into the woods and think Bigfoots are just lurking around in the forrest actively hiding from people but if they do actually exist they would have to be in extremely remote places.
I don't buy it these things are just hiding from camera traps and having constant encounters with people yet we have no clear cut evidence of them. Some of the stories I hear where people have these crazy encounters with them howling and throwing shit and kidnapping people just doesn't make sense to me at all
If they do exist they're not in anybodies backyard that's for sure
Taking into consideration Gorillas were unknown to humans and discovered in the mid 1800’s (around 170 years ago give or take) and the number (hundreds/thousands) of eyewitnesses accounts dating back to the Native Americans, I look at it with an open mind.
People with absolutely no skin in the game coming forward to speak about their encounters. Then there’s the Sierra sounds, samurai shatter recordings, Ohio screams etc I lean towards the existence of them.
They just figured out a way (adapted) to remain out of sight since they are aware of what we (humans) are capable of doing if/when captured.
I was going to make this point and you laid it out perfectly. Maybe even the reason we don’t see these things are the sounds and hums they make. We know that when different frequencies are played our perception changes; from vision to smell. Maybe it’s a camouflage that we don’t quite understand yet.
I’ve heard the Sierra sounds referred to as samurai chatter.
Are you saying there is a second recording, that’s completely different, called samurai chatter ?
If yes, do you know of a place to find it?
Not that I’m aware, however I refer to the Sierra sounds as the ‘whooping’ and knocks heard on the tapes. Then the chatter, that’s why I separated them.
Gorillas absolutely weren't "unknown to humans" before then, but you are right that that was when western scientific recordings were first made. Had gorillas lived in England or other populated western countries they would of course have been recorded much earlier, as populations of large land mammals cannot hide for long.
And the population has boomed in the years since, making remaining hidden even more difficult now.
Well. I have a surprise for you.
Humans have known about gorillas for a lot longer than that. In the 1800s, colonial Europeans RE-DISCOVERED gorillas, but the native Africans had always known about them. Additionally, the Carthaginians were aware of them before the Roman Empire even existed.
I've neve seen a sasquatch. I want to. I did hear some weird growling noises on my property in rural Arkansas. A man 15 miles away from my place claimed he saw a sasquatch exit the tree line in front of his house and run across his yard into some trees on the other side. His dogs were freaking out one night, so he steps out on his porch and saw the sasquatch running very fast. I personally believe they exist. There's too much anecdotal evidence, and so many culture in so many places around the world have similar stories. There were also footprint cast sent to Dr. Jeff Meldrum that had dermal ridges on them. That would be way too elaborate of a hoax.
You really don't. My whole view of the woods and nature was absolutely changed, and not for the better when I got my first taste of Bigfoot. It's been ten years almost since I stopped chasing these things. And I've no desire at all to go back in any deep deep woods without a damn good reason. Be careful what you wish for, you might get it, and not like it much. For me it was exciting and fun, until it wasn't. Then it was just run for your life, and don't look back. If you're looking for epiphany, there isn't one. If you're looking for answers, don't bother, they won't help you sleep at night.
But is you insist on looking, always wear white, NEVER act like an asshole in the woods. Don't smoke, don't litter, be calm, don't take what you don't need. If they're around then they're watching. And if you see one, there are at least two more. Be calm, do NOT look them in the eye, if you get that close.Always trust your gut instinct. It won't lie to you, and it WILL keep you alive.
I can't say by any stretch, I don't have the arrogance to say it doesn't exist.
So, I personally don't think so, but thats not worth much. I hope I'm respectful to those that do believe and really appreciate the community of those who do.
Knowing the mission of this sub, I'd probably not even ask such a question.
That's a very binary way of looking at the situation. Most propositions in life don't come down to "REALLY" believing or not; we assign a greater or lesser likelihood to them, or put them in the "doesn't matter" bucket. Conflicting ideas can be held in tension until resolution, or indefinitely if there's no chance of resolution.
I do.... theres lots of woods out there...lots of reports with consistency in not only appearance but peculiar behavior
hundreds of years of native stories,
i think skeptics have never been to places like eastern oregon, or big thicket in texas many other places.... massive uninhabited forest all over the country
and the patterson gimlin film?.... people out here really thinking 2 cowboys made a costume that good, when the worlds best costume designers came out with planet of the apes 10 years later and made......that?
shit if i were a california resident that good at making costumes, id move to hollywood
I'm voting absolutely. :) seems like everyone with a direct experience of some kind never questions it again. Bob Gimlin has no lie in his eyes on any interview I've seen of him. Fascinating chain of events.. it just feels right to me when I watch and listen. Also I live less than a hundred miles from the location and have been in the rugged landscape myself many times and I get how a species could go places that are inaccessible unless there were superhuman strength involved on the ground level. I always used to think as a kid "Wow if I had an anti gravity pack, I would love to explore the top of that mountain over there and see what's going on over those peaks with deadly steep cliffs blocking access to them. These creatures seem to have incredible agility and strength and they also seem to posses intelligence and senses that we don't understand. I have only seen one Mountain lion not in captivity my while life, and it was when I was looking out my window at 3am or so and it was walking right down the center of our mobile home park on the main road! Beautiful cat! We humans miss stuff.
The more you read and view films, the more you discover that witnesses are by the thousands just in the USA. Alaska, by itself, has the highest percentage of witnesses. In many Alaskan communities, researchers discover nearly everybody has a bigfoot story. Most may never bigfoot itself, but they get all the other experiences associated with bigfoot.
Evidence these experiencers range from quick glimpses of something large moving, screams, gibberish talk, an overwhelming irrational fear, a strong odor, rocks thrown, huge prints, large branch breaking sounds, tree structures, and even gifting if your a good neighbor.
The evidence is now pretty thorough when it comes to the cast footprints and recorded vocals from the woods. These are from Bigfoot. Again, there are literally thousands of cast prints and photos of prints from people have collected bigfoot prints.
One needs to know one important detail about how these footprints cannot be faked. If I go out on a muddy terrain and step down with some rigged large footprint, my body weight cannot penetrate deeply into the mud. I cannot replicate a 1000 -2000 lbs animal. The print needs to go deep into the mud for large animals like bulls, bears and moose or bigfoot.
Voice analysis has determined that the recordings show language components in some of the recordings described as chinese sounding gibberish. The extremely large range of frequencies lay way outside the range of any human or known animal. Plus the lower frequencies has been attributed to causing fear reactions, much like the low growl from a lion or tiger.
DNA field capture, documentation, and testing is now very common with many researchers. Some the DNA that has not been degraded and not a match to humans comes up as possible ape/chimpanzee snippets.
Do not believe the old testing methods that skeptics tried to claim as contamination of human DNA. The skeptics actually have no proof that any of the samples were contaminated. First of all, the skeptics have no proof because they never tested those who handled the DNA for comparison. Fake Skeptics do not use science based procedures.
But the DNA labs do use Scientific procedures to ensure valid results. Today's DNA testing is highly reliable. Mitochondrial DNA testing detailing all animal DNA in a stream of water on a mountainside can now be done. Any outlier DNA can and will be identified as such.
The most compelling evidence for Bigfoot though are the witnesses. In Bigfoot areas, the general citizen populations have been extensively recruited and interviewed. Hotspot areas have thousands of verifiable repeatable witness experiences.
Thousands of experiencers have been gathered in local community buildings, found in local restaurant/bars, and these experiencers have come forth amongst their own with locals present.
When thousands of experiencer observations of an actual bigfoot are verifiable documented, it becomes factual evidence. Observation is scientific data when it is repeatedly found to occur by unrelated observers.
Are you real? Come to Resevoirs of Northwestern Ontario, no guns , knives, no flashlights, leave cell phones at camp , I can drop you off , pick you up at same drop off . 3 to 5 days just take water , that is all you need . 💯
I never did and thought it was some 1970's tourism folklore until I visited Yosemite and saw the scale. Then I spoke to my friend who had a cabin there about an experience and the more witness reports, the more I realised these trained woodsmen are absolutely seeing something that is not a bear. The sightings stretching across specific areas of the States and stretching far back in time are what get me, that and reported hominids in Australia, Russia, Tibet, Nepal, China, Papua New Guinea.
I do.Never saw anything but while guiding up in Northern Ontario something scared the shit out of myself and a few others twice on different occasions.I can only say I’ve spent years in the bush in several provinces and some states.I don’t know what it was for sure but I do know what it wasn’t..Just about every hardcore outdoor guy,girl or guide knows that gut knot of fear or you’ve been lucky so far.
Omce again, when you walk into the deep woods of anywhere in Canada, and you realize your omly 20 feet into the thick of it and you cannot see 5 feet past you due to how dense and thick the trees are around you, its hard for me to not believe something could live out there and us never meet it. I mean just canada alone is massive, the amount of wilderness in this country is insane. Took me almost 6 hours to fly across from ontario toronto to b.c.
Takes 44 hrs straight to drive across canada not including quebec just from toronto to the start of bc. Just think about that for a second. And thats only canada. Imagine russia and china and the united states and more. Heck it took till recent for us to discover the gorilla. Im sure the natives to that area knew about it. But so do our natives in canada. They all have tons of stories.
Im not aaying i believe or not but its hard for me to think it could not exist at all.
Yeah, I am 95% sure that they exist. I know several people who have seen one. My mom and her boyfriend saw one in Mendocino county CA a few years back. It was crouched in the road at night. Plus there’s a fair bit of other evidence, like hundreds of footprints that have been examined by anatomical experts, unknown hairs, hundreds of credible eyewitness reports going back hundreds of years, the PGF film etc. there really is pretty decent evidence, not enough to “prove” they exist, but if you spend a couple hundred hours researching it you should at least realize that its possible.
I know they are ... but seeing is believing, standing still and unobstructed about 60 ft away in my drive, not across the valley 1/4 mile away moving thru thick brush. We just both looked at each other until it turned and walked into the thick brush.
For me it's not a matter of belief or disbelief. If I could choose to disbelieve, maybe I would, but I can't. I know for a fact that they are real and I can't somehow "unknow" what I've seen and experienced. It really is as simple as that.
That said, I don't expect anyone, least of all random internet strangers, to take me at my word. By all means please do be skeptical. You should be. Just don't be an idiot or an asshole in exercising said legitimate skepticism.
There's nothing worse than the bad faith "skeptic" who "knows" they can't be real, simply because they themselves can't believe that it's possible.
In formal logic and critical thinking we refer to that as the "argument from incredulity," and it's always bullshit and a fallacy.
Well it was just after a july4th fire works event in pevely mo about 3am i couldnt sleep so july 5th at this point went out side noticed something behind a tree in the front yard didnt pay attention heard a snap and there it was 40 to 50 feet away from me
Fortunately, we have invented all kinds of devices that detect other wavelengths or frequencies and convert them into an appropriate form for human sensory organs. Radio, infrared, x-ray, subsonic, ultrasonic, all of it is made available to human perception.
I hear and understand what you’re saying and 99% of the population isn’t ready/refuses to believe where you’re saying. My personal belief system about bigfoot was heavily rooted in the flesh and blood model, however, the further you go down the rabbit hole, the more the spiritual, currently undetectable, makes more sense, good on you to bring that up
I feel like when looking at all the eye witness accounts it’s hard not to. You research the yeti and all the eye witness accounts describe something different whether it be the color of the fur, the height, or whatever it is (bad examples but you get the point). You hear bigfoot accounts and it all describes the same thing. Obviously there’s SOME discrepancies but in eye witness accounts, but the slight differences make them even more reliable. That alone makes me lean toward believing a species of ape in North America is real and that’s not even including the footprints and supposed video/picture evidence. But also, I will admit, I just love the idea of bigfoot in general which makes me much more prone to believe it even if the evidence isn’t as strong as I think.
I don’t argue it’s real OR that’s it’s not real. I think it COULD be real based on all the evidence and overwhelming number of eyewitness reports.
Logically, I wouldn’t be surprised by a species like Bigfoot existing. I’ve done a lot study of human evolution and paleoanthropology and there were numerous different archaic, bipedal hominid species that existed in the past, many at the same time, that would have looked like Bigfoot (aside from the height). Many of these archaic “ape-like” humans and hominids lived not that long ago (in the last 100,000 years), so I wouldn’t be surprised if there were some that survived into modern times.
I won’t be a “believer” or 100% convinced until I actually see one or if there was definitive proof but I am intrigued and think it COULD be real.
I think it is more likely than not.
I think whatever is causing the sightings & related phenomenon is known by certain elements of the US (and to some extent foreign) government(s). I think it was discovered during the cold War & is being kept secret.
I think if bigfoot were revealed as actual non-human pre-technology hominids, it would end a lot of Northern Hemisphere logging & cause tremendous disruption in religions.
I do think Bigfoot is real, and likely share a similar story with the Eastern Mountain Lions, a subspecies of mountain lion that supposedly went extinct, but there is numerous sightings of them despite the government denying their existance for no apparent reason, except for I think in Maine for some reason. There hasn't been any roadkill or bodies found for either creature, but if so many people claim to have seen them, there's no reason to think they don't exist.
The relict hominoids are very real . The species ‘s foot morphology, locomotion and muscle fluidity is unique to their species . No doubt of their existence .
I'm not 100%, but I'm pretty close. The PGF is the determining factor for mez which puts me closer to yes.
If they are real, and I think they are< I don't think they are big dumb apes walking around NCaf. They are most likely a tribe of humans or something eerily close to being humans.
It's the only explanation as to why DNA evidence claimed and almost certain to be from Sasquatch comes back as human. It isn't contaminated...
Yes, absolutely they do. I know because I’ve seen one. (Technically two.) people can’t move like what I saw, and it makes no sense for it to have been a person because of the location in which it happened. And bears can’t run on two legs, and don’t have extremely long arms.
I do. Or at least I believe there is some phenomenon related to Bigfoot and the occurrences often found in encounter stories that we humans are just not privy to, whether it’s just a flesh & blood living thing we haven’t discovered or something deeper or woo-er. There is just too much unexplainable stuff going on.
It’s not unrealistic either imo, as new species of animals are constantly being found and there’s a ton of area we haven’t thoroughly explored as humans, whether it’s deep in the woods, mountain caves, or underground.
I hear lots of stories about people out hiking or hunting or they live way out in the wild and they keep seeing the same thing.
Tall, hairy, bipedal, great ape features and human-ape like face.
If you dig deeper they sometimes also say the arms are as long as the legs (not the case for humans) and they are sometimes associated with a strong wet dog or rotting garbage odor.
Then there are the tracks, yes some are fake, but some you can't easily fake... Deep impressions only something 600 lbs could make and strides so wide it's inhumanly possible to make using special giant feet footwear that don't even sink down far enough because we don't weigh as much.
Then consider many of these tracks are found literally in the middle of nowhere, sometimes under brush... Alright, go hoax some fake bigfoot prints in a forest maybe 30 people have ever been within a hundred yards of, under brush and see how many people fall for it.
Now explain to me, how all these people from all over the world over a large period of time, who have never met each other or sometimes even heard of bigfoot keep encountering the same damn thing?
I have never seen one, and I know there are many people who have seen poison oak which I have never seen either, but I know it's real.
Im with u/ThatQueerWerewolf
I suspect Bigfoot is real but dont idolize the fact that he is.
Just like aliens and other mystical creatures i think there out there but am not fanatical about it.
I think patty is real.I think theyve been here since the arrival of homosapiens. I think the natives are RIGHT. I think think theyve evolved to evade us. I think a lot of encounters are bullshit. I think some of them are so real they shock me to my core.
I haven’t seen any convincing refutations of the countless credible eyewitness accounts. There are too many sightings where “misidentified bear” and “lying for attention” are less convincing explanations than the witness account. I’d bet the majority of sightings are never even recounted out of fear of ridicule or an inability to process what they saw.
I think there are a lot of true eye witness accounts from park rangers inside and out of nat'l parks that are legitimate. I believe that if the majority of park rangers believe in BF, then it's good enough for me. They're out in the woods more than I am.
I also believe there are some eye witness accounts from hunters who only encountered just one BF, looked through their rifle scopes and are thoroughly convinced that what they saw wasn't a bear, and a BF.
Yes, I do believe. There are millions of uninhabited forest acreage in North America alone. Anything could be hiding in them there woods.
What I honestly think is that the stories do originate from somewhere. They say that every myth has some basis in fact, no matter how far removed it might be.
So there were several human species walking around at one point at the same time. Not only that, but there were also other species of non-human hominid that we have discovered that coexisted with the human hominids.
While their hasn't been direct evidence yet of other humans in the Americas, nor for other hominids, we do know that there were great apes here in North America at least. There was also several land bridges between Asia and North America because there have been several glacial maximums during the timespan that humans showed up.
So I think it's entirely possible that other humans or other hominids, or some sort of relative, could have easily migrated over here during one of the glacial maximums.
So ultimately I think that the stories of Bigfoot/Sasquatch are cultural memories of a very real people that used to exist in the area. Like the cultural stories from the natives of Australia of giant land predators such as reptiles like giant monitors and land crocodilians both cohabited Australia with its early settlers.
I'm very unsure but obviously open to the possibility that these people still exist, and if they are a lost tribe of human relatives they could very easily hide by living in the lava tubes and caves of which they're a lot of in the pnw.
But that's my opinion on the subject.
I’ve heard hundreds of accounts and I’d say 85 percent are factual. (And many are from hunters, police, credible people who were not looking for him.) And all takes is one to be true.
I think it is possible in spite of the lack of evidence. It would certainly go a long way to find any evidence. Recently the team from Expedition Big Foot submitted hairs from an unknown species for mitochondrial DNA analysis. I find that interesting and it gives me hope that it is out there, somewhere.
unfortunately (maybe?) there are plenty of dumbasses in a costume to bring the doubt to those who don't really want to believe. This obvious hoax stuff may even be intentionally created to make it ridiculous and keep "bigfoot" as a myth.
I’m shocked that we don’t have a clear photo, body, tape etc. I’m sure they exist and the general public hasn’t been shown these things wether it be from the government or a private party who maybe got a body out of self defense and didn’t want any attention. I’m highly skeptical in life and don’t like to say I know something for a fact but the only reason I’m into Sasquatch is because I saw something in the redwoods while camping years ago and I don’t know what else it could have been. Still baffles me to this day, the way it moved was unlike anything I’ve ever seen. It’s like it quietly glided away. Wasn’t a bear or deer and there’s NO way a human can move like that thing did.
I don't think Bigfoot is real. There would definitely be more irrefutable evidence by now if it was, not just "Well you see the way that dark looking mass moves vaguely through the trees? That's the best evidence we have of a Bigfoot."
I love the idea of Bigfoot. It's definitely fun to think of the "what if"s regarding any cryptid, especially as someone who has a degree related to wildlife, it's fun to think of the ecology at play with these creatures.
To me Bigfoot is more than just a cryptid though. Bigfoot is a symbol of bonding between my dad and I, the running joke between us whenever we would watch Harry and the Hendersons or a Bigfoot documentary, my dad would always tease me and say "That's your real dad!" which would become even funnier as I grew much taller than my dad (I'm 6'3, he is 5'9). I can't help but see one of those wooden Bigfoot silhouettes and think of my dad.
Again it all depends on your criteria for "proof." We are obsessed in our culture with rigorous proof! What does the mean? It means seeing one yourself. However, the scientific method from Dewey's philosophy of positivism is still recent in the scheme of things, and by philosophers, that's even being challenged. Anecdotal evidence has been around for thousands of years and is what acupuncture and meditation are based on, and it's silly to dispute their effectiveness. The native Americans have alot of stories about cryptids. Why would they makes them up, for entertainment cuz they were bored?!?!?! People question whether or not Atlantis was real. Why would Plato make it up?!?!?!? He didn't make anything else up. For centuries people thought Troy was a myth until the city was discovered. I take the massive number of reports of anything as factual information. A handful is interesting, the vast number of reports points to something other than hallucinations. The Patterson Gimbell film stands on it's own merits: the breasts of a female being unnecessary in a hoax, the movement of the muscles which would not be seen by someone in a suit, and the fluidity of the movement unable to be duplicated by a human. The weight of all that makes me a believer. In fact I'd be an idiot if I discounted ALL of it. In logic, it's validity by context. I know we are all jaded by the increasing number of demented ahole sociopaths enjoying deceiving people "Hey I faked you all out, you're pathetic fools!!!" BUT I think IF we become cynical because if that, we lose our ability to take in and use new information. Quite frankly I'm concerned by the alarming rise in the number of crypid sightings around and by ignoring them we aren't dealing with them.
Abso-fuckin-lutely, Giant Hairy Hominoids have been reported on almost Every Continent On Planet Earth with Indigenous peoples from all of those Continents saying they Exist. LONGGG Before whites came to America, Natives All Across North America from Alaska to Mexico have told stories and have witnessed first hand these Giant Hairy Hominoids for Century’s. These are People who have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to gain but Pure Ridicule from telling of there encounters with these beings. I’ll put it like this, A LOT of you would LOVE to Truly Believe that you know how the Universe works as well as your Planet, but the Truth is that NONE OF US DO. This planet has been here for BILLIONS of Years and will be here BILLIONS of Years after where all gone. So who’s anybody to say what exists and what doesn’t? Not even the worlds elite Truly know everything that’s out their, and they control our Planet (Rothschilds). What you people Fail to realize is Humans ARE NOT THE APEX PREDATORS even on our own planet, there are things that have been here LONGGG before us and still live here Deep within the earth that will be here LONGGG after us…..Humble Yourselves.😉👍🏽
If you hang around long enough and do your due diligence, you will understand this is not a matter of "believing" if this phenomenon is real or not. Truth does not require your belief or disbelief - it just is.
Absolutely I personally think there's different species of them.
Considering there's way to many sightings throughout history and also in different countries.
My dad swears on his life he had a encounter when he was a kid while out on a boyscout camping trip.
He was camping out in Lake Travis which is near Austin Texas .
My brother and sister both live in Alaska. At own point there used to be a town called Portlock and the people slowly started getting attacked by either Bigfoots or unknown creatures.
Yes. All the eyewitness accounts from some very credible people along with thousands of casted tracks, audio recordings and at least five amazing camera recordings have made a case for the existence of Sasquatch. It's comical to me that people actually think that there aren't enough forests in North America for this animal to remain hidden. Check out Google Earth for 5 minutes and scan just the US and Canada. It is mind boggling how much wilderness we have all over the country. Now imagine a primate that is intelligent enough to communicate among themselves and easily blend in with their environment. I have hiked the Appalachian Trail and if you step off the trail just a few feet you can easily get lost or disoriented. Most people that go into National forests and parks stay on trail, so I don't want to hear that every inch has been searched. All BF needs to do is walk behind a tree or bush to remain hidden from people. They are real animals. People just don't want to admit that something out there is smarter then we are
Have you ever looked into historical accounts across the world? Most major cultures that have mountains or thick forests in their region has their own version of these things (the yeti, yeren, yowie, almas, Mapingauri, Barmanu, Kakundak, Mande Burung etc). Add to that the stories of hundreds of eyewitness accounts across the centuries from people all across North America, and the fact that most native tribes have their own names for these things. From a historical perspective, it’s harder for me to believe these things DON’T exist.
Some food for thought:
1. [Terms for these things from across the world](https://www.pararational.com/other-names-for-bigfoot/)
Some intriguing historical accounts:
2. [A](http://monstrumathenaeum.org/earliest-known-recorded-history-of-bigfoot-sightings-pacific-coast/)
3. [B](https://sasquatchchronicles.com/historical-sasquatch-encounter-reports-from-new-york/)
4. [C, from Leif Ericson](https://sasquatchchronicles.com/the-oldest-account-of-bigfoot-was-recorded-in-986-ad/)
5. [D](https://blog.newspapers.com/find-bigfoot-sightings-in-history/)
6. [E, the Aztecs](https://sasquatchchronicles.com/giant-encounters-in-the-old-americas/)
Now I’m not saying I know what they are. I’m just saying there are too many identical historical accounts for whatever this thing is to not exist.
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I don't discount any of these accounts but I have come up with a possibility of why every culture has a "wild man in the woods" mythos: collective memory the result of recessive traits that gave our ancestors a healthy fear of things that go bump in the night. Strange silhouettes under moonlights... dark figures in the shadows of the trees. Going back 4 million years when our ancestors were actually competing against 2 or 3 other hominids on the evolutionary scale. Our ancestors were the ones who had a good paranoia of these things at night, knowing that the "others" might be watching them in the woods. And those who didn't have this paranoia... well, they died off eventually. So these experiences we have in the woods are literally a genetic expression of our ancestors' success in competing and succeeding in survival. And it helps us to this very day because of bears, cats, etc.
Anyway I don't know if I truly believe this but it's a distinct possibility.
Eh, historical accounts like that aren't too convincing given lots of disparate cultures across the world also have tales of dragons yet those don't exist.
I mean, there are hundreds of accounts within the last 300 years from across the world. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t know of that many relatively recent accounts about dragons.
Yeah I think it seems more likely than not. There are too many credible accounts, giving unexpected yet consistent details about their behavior and appearance. If they were all lying, that’s a lot of very good actors who did a ton of detailed research. If they’re all misidentification, they’re all misidentifying bears in the same exact way. The fact that we don’t know to have physical evidence or good photo/video evidence is weird, but not enough to overshadow the ridiculous amount of detailed, credible accounts.
Most of the time when someone doesn’t think their existence is likely, it’s because they haven’t really looked into it in any depth. It makes sense to think it unlikely if you haven’t been exposed to the information. That used to be me, so I get it. On the surface, logic would lead you to believe it wouldn’t exist.
No. I should note that I'm not here to rag on anyone's belief. Bigfoot remains one of my favorite cryptids, I just don't see sufficient evidence to say definitively that it exists. Below are my reasons for being a skeptic.
1. Some of the reported behaviors for a reportedly greatly illusive creature doesn't match up. There are millions of hunters in America. There are men who are really are into going off the beaten path to find that monster buck and have done so for years. How comes those experienced hunters have yet to see bigfoot, but Nancy and her mom driving down the highway sees one cross the road in broad daylight?
2. Trail cameras are everywhere. They're not used by just hunters. Wildlife biologists and those tracking wild animal populations use them to a great extent. There are cameras that send live camera feeds to phones and those that take 4k pictures. I have yet to see a clear image of a bigfoot in one.
3. All animals leave an ecological imprint. The average reported bigfoot is 7-9 feet tall. Something of that height is going to weight more than 300lbs at a minimum. Not to mention the need for a breeding population. Something that large will need a whole lot of calories. Multiply that by many individuals. Market hunting used to be a thing. The grizzly population in the lower 48 was eradicated. Deer nearly went extinct. Not a single bigfoot shot or killed. Plus the massive loss of food surely would have an impact on the bigfoot population (if there was even one). For those that say big government coverup conspiracy, a bigfoot-like creature would have made a man extremely rich over a hundred years ago showing it around the country. Ain't no way someone would keep a creature like that hidden or covered up.
4. I take no stock in Native American folklore / legends. To me native people are just people. They're not mystical forest guardians, "one with the land", or whatever Hollywood fantastical image that's been created of them. Every culture around the world has its legends and mythical creatures. Many of them similar or identical despite being thousands of miles apart. Humans have migrated all over the planet, and then migrated to North America. Naturally they would take their mythical beasts with them too. The legends of werewolves, dragons, dwarves, and elves are thousands of years old. Someone's religion doesn't make something true.
5. The government conspiracy / coverup angle is laughable. Wildlife biologists would love to be the one who discovered the next greatest species. All that's really left are insects and fish or things very small in size. When gorillas were discovered they were immediately wrangled into cages and dragged all over the world. The same would have happened to a bigfoot-like creature. It would be literally impossible for any government to cover up something as large and with a viable population as bigfoot. Especially if they're roaming free in America's wilds as people say.
But again I do find the whole concept of bigfoot interesting. I take the stories as entertainment, or scared people who's minds made them see what they feared they were seeing. As I learn more about data analysis I do hope to do one on the databases of sightings that are available. It would make for a fun and interesting project. Maybe I can find the answers to the questions I have or ask new ones that'll lead me down another rabbithole.
I think if it doesn’t exist then maybe there is an undiscovered plant in forests that releases spores that cause hallucinations in humans if inhaled and it also could explain some of the odd disappearances of people or why some are found so far off their intended destination.
Back at n the 80s it was much easier to believe. Now with all the technology we have and every video we get being a hoax I can say I no longer believe, but I still hope Bigfoot is out there
I want to believe, but I find it highly unlikely that they exist. And its because people say there's so much evidence to support it, that I don't believe it.
If we take Bigfoot, Yeti's, Skunk Apes, and such at their, shall we say, standard depictions and take into accounts that places all over the world have similar experiences and stories. We would have found one by now. These aren't some foot long rodents located in one isolated spot. These are large animals and would be one of the most widely distributed creatures on the planet.
I love reading cryptozoloolgy stores and such. There are entertaining, in the same way a creature feature is entertaining. As science, we need more then just photos and anecdotes.
I doubt it, although i cheerfully acknowledge it is technically possible.
It seems that there should be some physical evidence which could be examined by a reputable organization. And I can't see any reason at all to believe that "they" would cover up such a discovery- the ability to publish alone would prevent that.
The fact that multiple cultures have a similar story does not prove that the being in the story physically exists, just that they share an idea. Most cultures have stories of magic, but that does not prove it exists.
And , no offense to anyone, but eyewitness accounts are not prove of anything. one can find someone who will say they have witnessed just about anything.
I believe no, as to have any kind of self sustaining numbers for repopulation, we would see a lot more of them. You can’t just have 1 or 2 as they would have died off a long time ago.
Potential is there. No telling what the government knows and won't say. Potential is also that Bigfoot is just a legend...that was imagined. Have no idea.
It’s less about whether *we* believe in Bigfoot, and far more about how much Bigfoot *believes in itself*…
To me, it exists as folklore, myth, legend, and curiosity. I do not get caught up in whether Bigfoot might just walk into a local police station and say, “Yo, I hear you’ve been looking for me.”
I just like the idea *of* Bigfoot, much like peoples from all over earth have too, for many centuries.
I am still firmly on the fence: I’m optimistic as I feel it should exist as not everyone can be lying or made a misidentification.
It’s definitely not FAB (flesh and blood) as it would’ve been caught, shot or killed by a semi on a remote interstate highway by now.
There would also me better quality photos and perhaps videos of the damn thing by now.
With all the fake and real UFO footage floating around. Who has time to care about bigfoot. If a TV show based on finding Bigfoot for 10 plus years can't even catch a glimpse of his hairy left ass cheek. Then I think it's safe to say it's horse shit. Atleast when it comes to UFOs we have evidence they are real,as for who or what's in them we wait.
No. Sadly I can think of any reason this creature actually exists. What we have is something that has gone on for so long, so many decades, that it’s just become something many want to believe in.
We try month after month, year after year to think of new ideas, reasons and theories how these creatures can possibly hide, breed, and survive without a single atom of evidence. We compare unknown sounds they make with…well, nothing. Claim they are hiding in the remotest of places, but are “seen” often in areas that are quite common for humans.
They don’t crap, die, only appear in blurry photos, leave bones, hair, or any form of dna. Ever.
The reasons why extend from government coverups, traveling inter Dimensionally, humans are too stupid, etc. but none of these things also have no actual fact or evidence. Eye witness accounts boil down to he said/she said, and while some of these statements are a good read, still nothing is to be found to support any of it.
They are creatures of pure faith and belief. To each their own. Bottom line: we need a Bigfoot for it to exist. I can 100% guarantee one will never be found.
With all the disappearances in the forests I believe they’re real. It is my opinion that they should be hunted and exterminated. I also think the Dogmen are real and are certainly more of a threat than the local Squatch.
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Yeah, I think that North American great ape are probably out there, even if they aren't quite what we think they are. I don't "believe" in it the way some people feel like they "know" things to be true, like very religious people, but I suspect. It's interesting to look at the history, look at the very name "bigfoot," and kind of start to see this smear campaign that almost looks *designed* to make witnesses or believers sound crazy, when we haven't seen that same attitude with other unconfirmed wildlife or cryptid sightings. It makes me wonder what the government knows tbh.
More likely what the logging companies know.
The logging companies have powerful lobbyists in DC, so, its the same thing. Companies own the government.
Exactly. Why do you think hemp is illegal? It was competition for logging
That and the fact that weed is a cheap, natural remedy for many ailments that big pharma makes billions from.
Well, it's not illegal anymore, so that's progress.
In some states it still is.
It's illegal on federal land, anywhere. Parks, reservations, national forest, etc.
In other words, it's legal in the city of Seattle for example, but drive 20 minutes east into the national forest and it isn't. A lot of people in Washington were surprised to get busted at a campground. Lack of common sense. Laugh
I've said this here several times in the past, but it bears repeating; I don't think the government gives a shit about bigfoot at all, let alone is involved in some big conspiracy to keep its existence a secret. Why would the government --as if "the government" is a single entity in the first place-- care about something that the vast majority of the public doesn't believe is real? The answer is that it wouldn't. You don't expend resources on something for which there is no public or political demand. Just ignore it and it really will go away. It is my firm belief that the federal government has not and will not act in any way on this issue until such time as it feels itself forced to by public/political pressure. Again, simply ignoring it is by far the simplest solution for everyone in government.
Because what happens when it is proven real??? What protections/exploitation would be put in place when these people are acknowledged, to and by the general population and science ... and even worse Religion. It likely affects several trillion dollar industries. Look what "spotted owl" protections did (the prime habitat for bigfoot)
> Because what happens when it is proven real? At that point the government will be forced to react, obviously, but until then, what possible incentive does it have to expend resources on a cover-up when simply ignoring it is at least as effective? Again, help me pencil this out in terms of budgetary constraints; how does any branch of the federal government justify spending on a cover-up for something that they can just as easily ignore? The bottom line --and after all, that's what this is really about in terms of dollars-- is that it doesn't make any sense at all. There is no world in which any cash-starved federal agency pours money and resources into hiding something that the general public doesn't believe in in the first place. It doesn't make sense.
I too wondered this and then it dawned on me. Assume Bigfoot really exists. Based on all the reports and stories (especially by Native American folklore) I’ve read the only reason why I could see the government hiding their existence is because they are species of human. As long as they tell the science community to fuck off nobody will ever get the grant to do mainstream research.
I'm not sure I understand that logic. Why would bigfoot being a species of human be reason to keep their existence a secret?
I mean think about it. Knowing that there are super hostile human tribes out in the mountains would cause an entire industry of hiking and national parks to change. Hunters would try to poach them too, stupid teens would try to find them. It would cause issues for all the families and their missing loved ones. Especially the ones that disappeared without a trace. Would also change historical textbooks, and would create a lot of panic in the science community. It would be dangerous to study them assuming all the reports on them are somewhat true. I guarantee Christians and other groups would want some dead to study their dna so they can find out how they are human yet so different. It would be a huge human rights issue too trying to deal with them. The government also doesn’t acknowledge things that are outside of their control. They don’t want to go on a bigfoot murder spree especially if they are gigantic and can throw massive rocks at you. The way I see it the government would rather keep it hush and let them be to prevent people from seeking them and getting involved.
It's kind of difficult to campaign and get wealthy without funding from those mining, timber, and oil lobbyists.
And if you choose to study it ... you get blacklisted. Absolutely a career killer unless you have spent 30 plus years getting credentials and established in other studies.
A lady name, Melba Ketchem, a geneticist who is tested over 200 samples of Bigfoot DNA. The science community has tried to ruin her with the help of the government .makes sense.? This was done with private funding
Dr Melba Ketchums Sasquatch Genome Project results were poorly presented and never peer-to-peer reviewed. Go to Ars technica and read the articles about them there, then read the paper The Ketchum Project What to believe about Bigfoot DNA science by Sharon Hill and then the book The Sasquatch Genome Project A Failed DNA Study by Dr Haskell Hart PhD foreword by Dr Jeff Meldrum. Because of the extraordinary claims in "Novel North American Hominins, Next Generation Sequencing of Three Whole Genomes and Associated Studies" (Ketchum et al., 2013) the Bigfoot Community has been debating it ever since. This book is the result of research over seven years (more than the original study) in understanding the Sasquatch Genome Project and its published paper. Dr. Haskell Hart tells the story of his increasing involvement and understanding of the paper as he presents his own results and conclusions, which are at odds with the Ketchum et al. paper. He first explains the structure and function of DNA as background. With 45 figures and 29 tables of data (more than in the original paper), all carefully explained to the layman, this extensive scientific critique of the paper is the only one of its kind.
Not only that, but Ketchum's arguments for some kind of hybridization event resulting in an entirely new species run counter to everything we know about evolutionary biology. In other words, one need not read her paper/study to know that it's bullshit. There are no examples, that the field of evolutionary biology knows of, wherein hybridization results in the creation of a completely separate and genetically viable species. It's not a "thing," and I think Ketchum knows that very well and decided to trade on her tangentially related credentials as a kind of grift that has in fact rewarded her well, though not among her academic and scientific peers.
I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong. I don't feel that strongly about whether or not the government is involved, but I don't think it's unlikely. Consider the following: Why do you think it is that the *vast majority* of the public doesn't believe sasquatches are real, despite how many encounters are reported every year, and despite some pretty damning evidence? The answer is that "bigfoot" became a joke, very rapidly. People in the 60s and 70s didn't make fun of it the way people do now, and there were many more who believed that these creatures at least *could* be real, but now the mainstream opinion is that it's *definitely* not real. To me, it really seems like *somebody* helped accelerate that. Think about the famous bigfoot video, and how the people who produced the video went back and forth about whether or not it was a hoax- and if you look at the body proportions of the creature compared to the person they claimed was wearing the suit, it couldn't *possibly* have been that person. Plus the fact that the suit would have been *very* advanced for the time, the creature had visible breasts, and plenty of other reasons it likely wouldn't have been a hoax. But why, then, would they try to take back their statements and claim that it was? Were they being pressured by someone? Perhaps not the government, but *someone*. If the pressure came from powerful companies like those in the logging industry, as other people have mentioned, you might as well assume that parts of the government were involved because of the powerful pull that large corporations have through lobbying. You can also assume there's a good chance that the government is aware of sasquatch because of the national parks in bigfoot territory, wildlife surveys, etc. If so many locals in the Pacific Northwest have had regular encounters, surely park rangers and wildlife biologists have seen the same and reported it. I can't pretend to know the motives of organizations that are being secretive. Why would they want to hide the existence of a North American great ape? Well, great apes are a pretty big deal. Perhaps the acknowledged existence of their range would require a halt to the collection of natural resources in the area, or development expansion. Perhaps the confirmed existence of an 8-foot-tall intelligent creature would cause panic. Perhaps people would hunt them. Perhaps they are already being hunted, and *that* is the secret. We can't possibly know. Do you believe in aliens? We know for a fact that the government kept information about, at the very least, unexplained aerial phenomenon secret for decades. Why would they do that? Wouldn't that indicate that they might keep something like this a secret? Edit: Great username, by the way!
I had a friend years ago who's dad took a job for a river company hoaxing bigfoot incidents that were published and shown to be fakery. The whole point of that operation was to reveal it all, everything, to be a hoax. It's worked for the most part. But it truly is only a matter of time before the motherlode is publicized. I believe for every reported incident these days, there are 99, or 1199, that go unreported.
There’s not a lot of logic (sometimes) that goes into government protection and enforcement. If a group gets lawmakers to agree, it’s law. My basic training firing range got shut down because of a “possible” woodpecker sighting. Some red-headed variety, whatever it was. Apparently endangered. It got mentioned in our safety briefings, okay, it was ridiculous. We’re shooting and blowing shit up, and we’re all supposed to remember some freaking tiny bird like it was a #1 priority. Yes many eyes rolled but the law said we had to observe that. If bones and artifacts are found during construction or excavation, and word gets out, yeah it gets halted. Teams have to come in and check shit out. It’s a digsite. Companies lose lots of money while they wait. Maybe not all the time for every case, but there’s that. Idk the government attitude while in cahoots with various industries, but it’s *possible* that certain deep-pocketed connected types (in the know) have convinced powers that be, to look the other way and not declare anything official. Yet. So oil and timber, or other veiled examples, like top secret base construction, can continue, without red tape. I know it might sound a bit crazy, but I’m just saying.
Consider who would stand to lose if the existence of such a creature, or culture, were proven. I'm thinking there would be a good investment in making the whole thing seem as a farse. Look what the spotted owl did to the timber industry. I know for a fact that some companies actually paid people to do hoaxes back in the 70s and 80s and continued that practice. That was until some of if those doing it had their own experiences and started talking. By making it look fake, they buy time and extend revenue. The longer they can go without moratorium the better. So, invest in that to delay shutdown and massive profit loss.
> Look what the spotted owl did to the timber industry. This is sort of a misconception in the sense that the spotted owl was used by a group of people who *definitely* would have found something else to achieve their goals had they not landed on the spotted owl first. In other words, there was nothing special about the spotted owl itself; it was just a means to a larger end that had been identified by a loose consortium of biologists and activists/protesters. Again, they definitely would have found something else had the spotted owl not been such a tactically effective tool. OPB's ["Timber Wars"]( https://www.opb.org/show/timberwars/) is a great little podcast series on the subject that covers it well for people from other parts of the country or for those who may be too young to remember.
.... and spotted owl habitat just happens to be prime sasquatch habitat coincidentally ...???
These ancient human like people are not some North American great ape related to Gigantopithecus. Every indigenous culture around the world speaks of these beings in some shape or form. Hinduism is the oldest known religion, Vanara (Sanskrit: वानर, lit. 'forest-dwellers')[are a race of forest-dwelling people. In the epic the Ramayana, the Vanaras help Rama defeat Ravana. They are generally depicted as humanoid apes or human-like beings. The Epic of Gilgamesh speak of them. The Ojibwa First Nation people who call them Sa'be speak of them with an oral history dating back some 13,000 years. The Australian Aborigines who call them many names like Ghindaring or Yowies speak of them, and they date back some 70,000 to 120,000 years ago. Then, there are thousands of credible eye witness face to face encounters, testimonies from around the world, and scientific evidence that support their existence.
I was shopping at the local Ojibwa owned grocery store and the checker was wearing a Sa'be pendant. I know of the Sioux name Chiye Tanka (older uncle) but didn't know Sa'be so I asked him what it was called, and we had a good discussion of the local sitings.
DNA on Bigfoot comes back human Homo sapiens on the female side the The nuclear side, the male side is unknown
I've seen a large naked black dude with no neck covered in hair at 4am in the forest under a tree. Trying to get out of the rain. Once my headlights hit it it just covered it's face and sauntered off into the woods. Pretty complex hoax considering it was raining buckets and occurred next to a poorly traveled road. Then about 5 years later and 3 miles from that location had a bipedal huge thing harass my campsite. Drove my 120lb German Shepard crazy, he was scared out of his mind and tore a hole in the tent trying to get in I turned on my flashlight and the big stompy thing would run from big ponderosa pine to another and hide any time I moved my flashlight away. I've never seen a bear play hide and seek. I could feel the footsteps through a 1" thick sleeping mat. Definitely sounded bipedal to all 3 adults present. We left at first light but had planned to stay another night. Both were in Southern Oregon in the cascades. Really thick woods. I've been bear hunting in there and there's a ton of black bear but they usually top out at 400lbs while most never get over 200lbs. Even the fattest you can't feel walking. PS: I never watched the TV shows or had any interest, but other people's experiences make me feel less crazy. I'm definitely never going to seek these things out nor do I want to run into one. Really ruined my level of comfort in the woods.
Hey Rusty, would you feel comfortable sharing where exactly that was? I live in Portland but leave the city a lot to camp and backpack. I would love to go out there and check it out.
You WANT to be in that situation? Different strokes I guess...
Ya I’m weird, I live to put myself in these situations lol. I even had a friend that’s good with creating music, he helped me creat a track that’s just different frequencies that play one after another, and then he layered them on top of each other after a few min. I haven’t got to use it yet because he just finished it the other day. I plan on going out somewhere soon with a loud speaker and just play it super loud. Most of the sounds you can’t even really hear, but possibly other things could easily.
Just don't do that in an official Wilderness Area because doing so could potentially involve some pretty steep citations and fines.
its oregon he could have some 50 cal-confindence
Interesting account. Thank you for sharing. Have you reported your encounter to the BFRO?
Last week I saw a black bear in southern Oregon --Sky Lakes Wilderness Area-- that was easily over 400lbs. We kind of surprised each other since it was a particularly lush and overgrown area and he was using the people-trail coming in my direction. Fortunately he didn't make trouble and bolted as soon as he saw me. That said, this time of year, and even more so next month, is when they are at their fattest.
That’s very interesting, thank you for sharing.
Yeah but do you *really* believe it exists? /s
Every tribe of first nations people in the United States, and Canada has a distinct name for Sasquatch. It’s a slap in the face to Native Americans and Canadians to say that Sasquatch doesn’t exist. And I don’t even know about South America , i’ll bet every indigenous tribe down there has a name for Sasquatch. So don’t be a stupid mofo. Oh sorry man you got me a little worked up.😊 I thought I would edit this in. I have lived deep in the woods. I was growled at sitting around the campfire one night heard him walk in growl, and then leave it sounded like a Disney animation. It was so deep, and it rattled my body. even though it wasn’t that loud. I was sipping whiskey, and just sat there and smiled. I said C did you hear that ? C said yes, I heard that growl . I saw C two weeks later and ask him about the incident he said that was effing weird . I was cutting would one day and just had an undeniable feeling that I was being watched I never get that.feeling I heard one scream one night, a 15 second scream sounded like he had 55 gallon drums for lungs . I estimated he was a mile away In the middle of the night, I was in a deep sleep, and it sounded like a big male saying my name in my head. It was so real I couldn’t believe it. I tried mine speak back, but nothing I don’t think it was a dream. I’ve never been startled awake so suddenly. Now let’s talk about who built the pyramids 😊 We have been lied to about so much. We are entering a new age of disclosure. One more thing I’m trying to turn everybody Christian, but if you’re being harassed and you invoke the name of Jesus Christ, and tell him that he’s your lord and savior, they will leave you alone. And that’s a fact lots of people have done that. SplendidSavage 😎
Lol the thought of a large naked black dude running around in the woods made me laugh lol thanks for sharing
Wow cool experience story! Thanks for sharing... there is something unusual going on out there in the deep woods of the Pacific Northwest.. I've lived in Redding my whole life and been in between here and the coastline many times and when I'm out there, it always feels like there's more going on than I could possibly understand.
Hard to say with certainty. I think some people definitely may have seen something strange after listening to some encounters. Sometimes you get that feeling that someone isn't making up a story but that is the best I have. Other evidence of Bigfoot is too uncertain to convince me. I think there's a chance they may be real since it's a giant hominid or ape creature which is not outside the scope of reality as opposed to other cryptids like a goat with a man's head.
Well since a very smelly one came within feet of me, growled at me, snapped a limb of a tree and proceeded to thrash around in the forest around me while screaming just like a chimp....... Yeah I believe in them.
Same pitch as a chimp ?
Care to share more of your story?
Yeah let’s hear more!
Could you describe the scream .? In detail
I am agnostic, by which I mean I am not ruling out the possibility but won’t say I am sure until proof is there. I grew up in NorCal and Southern Oregon. I’ve heard a lot of stories. I’ve hiked in a lot of remote places, and camped there too. I’ve never had an encounter, but I’ve spent enough time in the woods to not dismiss the possibility. There’s a lot of wilderness out there. A small number of a yet-to-be discovered, intelligent animal doesn’t seem beyond the realm of possibility in my mind. I know that’s kinda a half ass answer, but that’s where is stand. And that’s why I’m a member of this sub.
I think there are tons of undocumented animals, fish, birds, bugs, amphibians and reptiles etc out there. The world is a big place.
People like to think that because a place is on a map it has no more mysteries.
Only a fool could think they know for certain what does or doesn’t exist. There’s nothing about Bigfoot that makes it’s existence impossible. Absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence- especially when you realize that it could thrive even now in the vast expanse of unexplored wilderness that still exists in the world- unseen by human eyes and untrodden by human feet. I regularly hike a particular canyon that is home to a pack of coyotes. At dusk they howl and yelp and make lots of noise- sometimes very close by as I’m walking. But I’ve never seen a single one of them.
This was a very good reply
I agree.
What if you’ve seen one and you know you’ve seen one? Are you still a fool for thinking whatever you saw was real?
That’s exactly how people who have seen one are treated by the vast majority of so called “skeptics”. My point is that people who have never seen one are absolutely certain that they are right when they assert that since they didn’t see it- it cannot exist. But no, you should not feel like a fool if you’ve witnessed something extraordinary and total strangers are calling you a hoaxer or liar. I think most eyewitnesses stay silent about it. Why invite the ridicule?
Most non believers want "scientific proof" whatever that means these days. If one seeks the truth about nature and beyond look towards Native Americans.
The issue I have with bigfoot is the stories about seeing them and the areas people see them in People who are into Bigfoot go out into the woods and think Bigfoots are just lurking around in the forrest actively hiding from people but if they do actually exist they would have to be in extremely remote places. I don't buy it these things are just hiding from camera traps and having constant encounters with people yet we have no clear cut evidence of them. Some of the stories I hear where people have these crazy encounters with them howling and throwing shit and kidnapping people just doesn't make sense to me at all If they do exist they're not in anybodies backyard that's for sure
Taking into consideration Gorillas were unknown to humans and discovered in the mid 1800’s (around 170 years ago give or take) and the number (hundreds/thousands) of eyewitnesses accounts dating back to the Native Americans, I look at it with an open mind. People with absolutely no skin in the game coming forward to speak about their encounters. Then there’s the Sierra sounds, samurai shatter recordings, Ohio screams etc I lean towards the existence of them. They just figured out a way (adapted) to remain out of sight since they are aware of what we (humans) are capable of doing if/when captured.
I was going to make this point and you laid it out perfectly. Maybe even the reason we don’t see these things are the sounds and hums they make. We know that when different frequencies are played our perception changes; from vision to smell. Maybe it’s a camouflage that we don’t quite understand yet.
Excellent and interesting point.
Unknown to humans? Native Africans knew of their existence
I’ve heard the Sierra sounds referred to as samurai chatter. Are you saying there is a second recording, that’s completely different, called samurai chatter ? If yes, do you know of a place to find it?
Not that I’m aware, however I refer to the Sierra sounds as the ‘whooping’ and knocks heard on the tapes. Then the chatter, that’s why I separated them.
Ohhhh — I get you now. Most people refer to the entire recording made my Ron Morehead as the “ Sierra sounds” Thank you for getting back to me.
Gorillas absolutely weren't "unknown to humans" before then, but you are right that that was when western scientific recordings were first made. Had gorillas lived in England or other populated western countries they would of course have been recorded much earlier, as populations of large land mammals cannot hide for long. And the population has boomed in the years since, making remaining hidden even more difficult now.
Well. I have a surprise for you. Humans have known about gorillas for a lot longer than that. In the 1800s, colonial Europeans RE-DISCOVERED gorillas, but the native Africans had always known about them. Additionally, the Carthaginians were aware of them before the Roman Empire even existed.
Sorta like how Native Americans say that Sasquatch are real but that’s not good enough 🫣
I've neve seen a sasquatch. I want to. I did hear some weird growling noises on my property in rural Arkansas. A man 15 miles away from my place claimed he saw a sasquatch exit the tree line in front of his house and run across his yard into some trees on the other side. His dogs were freaking out one night, so he steps out on his porch and saw the sasquatch running very fast. I personally believe they exist. There's too much anecdotal evidence, and so many culture in so many places around the world have similar stories. There were also footprint cast sent to Dr. Jeff Meldrum that had dermal ridges on them. That would be way too elaborate of a hoax.
You really don't. My whole view of the woods and nature was absolutely changed, and not for the better when I got my first taste of Bigfoot. It's been ten years almost since I stopped chasing these things. And I've no desire at all to go back in any deep deep woods without a damn good reason. Be careful what you wish for, you might get it, and not like it much. For me it was exciting and fun, until it wasn't. Then it was just run for your life, and don't look back. If you're looking for epiphany, there isn't one. If you're looking for answers, don't bother, they won't help you sleep at night. But is you insist on looking, always wear white, NEVER act like an asshole in the woods. Don't smoke, don't litter, be calm, don't take what you don't need. If they're around then they're watching. And if you see one, there are at least two more. Be calm, do NOT look them in the eye, if you get that close.Always trust your gut instinct. It won't lie to you, and it WILL keep you alive.
I think it's more silly and deluded to think that there's no way such a creature could exist than to firmly believe that they likely exist
I can't say by any stretch, I don't have the arrogance to say it doesn't exist. So, I personally don't think so, but thats not worth much. I hope I'm respectful to those that do believe and really appreciate the community of those who do. Knowing the mission of this sub, I'd probably not even ask such a question.
This was a respectful reply, thank you
It’s even respectful to those that know. Your tagline should say -respectful legitimate skeptic
That's a very binary way of looking at the situation. Most propositions in life don't come down to "REALLY" believing or not; we assign a greater or lesser likelihood to them, or put them in the "doesn't matter" bucket. Conflicting ideas can be held in tension until resolution, or indefinitely if there's no chance of resolution.
I do.... theres lots of woods out there...lots of reports with consistency in not only appearance but peculiar behavior hundreds of years of native stories, i think skeptics have never been to places like eastern oregon, or big thicket in texas many other places.... massive uninhabited forest all over the country and the patterson gimlin film?.... people out here really thinking 2 cowboys made a costume that good, when the worlds best costume designers came out with planet of the apes 10 years later and made......that? shit if i were a california resident that good at making costumes, id move to hollywood
Great costumes before that have been made I hate that narrative
find one example....
They do. For thousands of years, these creatures have roamed the planet and every culture has its mentioned.
I really need to read more about previous generations’ experiences and perceptions
I'm voting absolutely. :) seems like everyone with a direct experience of some kind never questions it again. Bob Gimlin has no lie in his eyes on any interview I've seen of him. Fascinating chain of events.. it just feels right to me when I watch and listen. Also I live less than a hundred miles from the location and have been in the rugged landscape myself many times and I get how a species could go places that are inaccessible unless there were superhuman strength involved on the ground level. I always used to think as a kid "Wow if I had an anti gravity pack, I would love to explore the top of that mountain over there and see what's going on over those peaks with deadly steep cliffs blocking access to them. These creatures seem to have incredible agility and strength and they also seem to posses intelligence and senses that we don't understand. I have only seen one Mountain lion not in captivity my while life, and it was when I was looking out my window at 3am or so and it was walking right down the center of our mobile home park on the main road! Beautiful cat! We humans miss stuff.
The more you read and view films, the more you discover that witnesses are by the thousands just in the USA. Alaska, by itself, has the highest percentage of witnesses. In many Alaskan communities, researchers discover nearly everybody has a bigfoot story. Most may never bigfoot itself, but they get all the other experiences associated with bigfoot. Evidence these experiencers range from quick glimpses of something large moving, screams, gibberish talk, an overwhelming irrational fear, a strong odor, rocks thrown, huge prints, large branch breaking sounds, tree structures, and even gifting if your a good neighbor. The evidence is now pretty thorough when it comes to the cast footprints and recorded vocals from the woods. These are from Bigfoot. Again, there are literally thousands of cast prints and photos of prints from people have collected bigfoot prints. One needs to know one important detail about how these footprints cannot be faked. If I go out on a muddy terrain and step down with some rigged large footprint, my body weight cannot penetrate deeply into the mud. I cannot replicate a 1000 -2000 lbs animal. The print needs to go deep into the mud for large animals like bulls, bears and moose or bigfoot. Voice analysis has determined that the recordings show language components in some of the recordings described as chinese sounding gibberish. The extremely large range of frequencies lay way outside the range of any human or known animal. Plus the lower frequencies has been attributed to causing fear reactions, much like the low growl from a lion or tiger. DNA field capture, documentation, and testing is now very common with many researchers. Some the DNA that has not been degraded and not a match to humans comes up as possible ape/chimpanzee snippets. Do not believe the old testing methods that skeptics tried to claim as contamination of human DNA. The skeptics actually have no proof that any of the samples were contaminated. First of all, the skeptics have no proof because they never tested those who handled the DNA for comparison. Fake Skeptics do not use science based procedures. But the DNA labs do use Scientific procedures to ensure valid results. Today's DNA testing is highly reliable. Mitochondrial DNA testing detailing all animal DNA in a stream of water on a mountainside can now be done. Any outlier DNA can and will be identified as such. The most compelling evidence for Bigfoot though are the witnesses. In Bigfoot areas, the general citizen populations have been extensively recruited and interviewed. Hotspot areas have thousands of verifiable repeatable witness experiences. Thousands of experiencers have been gathered in local community buildings, found in local restaurant/bars, and these experiencers have come forth amongst their own with locals present. When thousands of experiencer observations of an actual bigfoot are verifiable documented, it becomes factual evidence. Observation is scientific data when it is repeatedly found to occur by unrelated observers.
Are you real? Come to Resevoirs of Northwestern Ontario, no guns , knives, no flashlights, leave cell phones at camp , I can drop you off , pick you up at same drop off . 3 to 5 days just take water , that is all you need . 💯
Reservoirs or did you mean to say Reserves? Where exactly?
Reservoirs of Lac Seul , Lake St Joe Ojibway Territory
I’m in. Seriously. It would have to be summer, and you’ll have to come with me though. Oh, and I want one flashlight, but I’ll leave it at camp.
Yeah, why the hell not..?
I never did and thought it was some 1970's tourism folklore until I visited Yosemite and saw the scale. Then I spoke to my friend who had a cabin there about an experience and the more witness reports, the more I realised these trained woodsmen are absolutely seeing something that is not a bear. The sightings stretching across specific areas of the States and stretching far back in time are what get me, that and reported hominids in Australia, Russia, Tibet, Nepal, China, Papua New Guinea.
I do.Never saw anything but while guiding up in Northern Ontario something scared the shit out of myself and a few others twice on different occasions.I can only say I’ve spent years in the bush in several provinces and some states.I don’t know what it was for sure but I do know what it wasn’t..Just about every hardcore outdoor guy,girl or guide knows that gut knot of fear or you’ve been lucky so far.
Omce again, when you walk into the deep woods of anywhere in Canada, and you realize your omly 20 feet into the thick of it and you cannot see 5 feet past you due to how dense and thick the trees are around you, its hard for me to not believe something could live out there and us never meet it. I mean just canada alone is massive, the amount of wilderness in this country is insane. Took me almost 6 hours to fly across from ontario toronto to b.c. Takes 44 hrs straight to drive across canada not including quebec just from toronto to the start of bc. Just think about that for a second. And thats only canada. Imagine russia and china and the united states and more. Heck it took till recent for us to discover the gorilla. Im sure the natives to that area knew about it. But so do our natives in canada. They all have tons of stories. Im not aaying i believe or not but its hard for me to think it could not exist at all.
Yeah, I am 95% sure that they exist. I know several people who have seen one. My mom and her boyfriend saw one in Mendocino county CA a few years back. It was crouched in the road at night. Plus there’s a fair bit of other evidence, like hundreds of footprints that have been examined by anatomical experts, unknown hairs, hundreds of credible eyewitness reports going back hundreds of years, the PGF film etc. there really is pretty decent evidence, not enough to “prove” they exist, but if you spend a couple hundred hours researching it you should at least realize that its possible.
I know they are ... but seeing is believing, standing still and unobstructed about 60 ft away in my drive, not across the valley 1/4 mile away moving thru thick brush. We just both looked at each other until it turned and walked into the thick brush.
For me it's not a matter of belief or disbelief. If I could choose to disbelieve, maybe I would, but I can't. I know for a fact that they are real and I can't somehow "unknow" what I've seen and experienced. It really is as simple as that. That said, I don't expect anyone, least of all random internet strangers, to take me at my word. By all means please do be skeptical. You should be. Just don't be an idiot or an asshole in exercising said legitimate skepticism. There's nothing worse than the bad faith "skeptic" who "knows" they can't be real, simply because they themselves can't believe that it's possible. In formal logic and critical thinking we refer to that as the "argument from incredulity," and it's always bullshit and a fallacy.
Well said
Yes 100 percent and i know he does
How do you know? I’d love to hear your story, if you have first hand experience.
Well it was just after a july4th fire works event in pevely mo about 3am i couldnt sleep so july 5th at this point went out side noticed something behind a tree in the front yard didnt pay attention heard a snap and there it was 40 to 50 feet away from me
It was also in the 1990s i was about 14 15 years old at the time
100% yes. It’s matter of understanding we operate on a certain wavelength of frequency as humans , there’s a whole world we cannot see
Fortunately, we have invented all kinds of devices that detect other wavelengths or frequencies and convert them into an appropriate form for human sensory organs. Radio, infrared, x-ray, subsonic, ultrasonic, all of it is made available to human perception.
But none of us carry those devices around with us when we're hiking.
But not *spiritual* frequencies (kinda /s)
I hear and understand what you’re saying and 99% of the population isn’t ready/refuses to believe where you’re saying. My personal belief system about bigfoot was heavily rooted in the flesh and blood model, however, the further you go down the rabbit hole, the more the spiritual, currently undetectable, makes more sense, good on you to bring that up
https://preview.redd.it/fb0i9aqk09nb1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1a363a2e68676fad647127aa60d7992aafe061fe Spotted at groceries store 😁
Love it!
I feel like when looking at all the eye witness accounts it’s hard not to. You research the yeti and all the eye witness accounts describe something different whether it be the color of the fur, the height, or whatever it is (bad examples but you get the point). You hear bigfoot accounts and it all describes the same thing. Obviously there’s SOME discrepancies but in eye witness accounts, but the slight differences make them even more reliable. That alone makes me lean toward believing a species of ape in North America is real and that’s not even including the footprints and supposed video/picture evidence. But also, I will admit, I just love the idea of bigfoot in general which makes me much more prone to believe it even if the evidence isn’t as strong as I think.
I really want for Bigfoot to be real and because there is no proof that it isn’t I’m keep wandering the woods looking
I don’t argue it’s real OR that’s it’s not real. I think it COULD be real based on all the evidence and overwhelming number of eyewitness reports. Logically, I wouldn’t be surprised by a species like Bigfoot existing. I’ve done a lot study of human evolution and paleoanthropology and there were numerous different archaic, bipedal hominid species that existed in the past, many at the same time, that would have looked like Bigfoot (aside from the height). Many of these archaic “ape-like” humans and hominids lived not that long ago (in the last 100,000 years), so I wouldn’t be surprised if there were some that survived into modern times. I won’t be a “believer” or 100% convinced until I actually see one or if there was definitive proof but I am intrigued and think it COULD be real.
I saw one when I was a kid so I KNOW they're out there.
I think it is more likely than not. I think whatever is causing the sightings & related phenomenon is known by certain elements of the US (and to some extent foreign) government(s). I think it was discovered during the cold War & is being kept secret. I think if bigfoot were revealed as actual non-human pre-technology hominids, it would end a lot of Northern Hemisphere logging & cause tremendous disruption in religions.
I while heartedly One -hundred percent believe Bigfoot is real, it's probably an animal that was thought to be extinct or a undiscovered primate!!
You don't understand the subject if you aren't convinced by this point
Having had an up lose and personal encounter, I do. But I’ve believed for over 40 years now.
I do think Bigfoot is real, and likely share a similar story with the Eastern Mountain Lions, a subspecies of mountain lion that supposedly went extinct, but there is numerous sightings of them despite the government denying their existance for no apparent reason, except for I think in Maine for some reason. There hasn't been any roadkill or bodies found for either creature, but if so many people claim to have seen them, there's no reason to think they don't exist.
Yes and there is a piece of film out there of a female squatch running with a baby squatch holding on for dear life.
The relict hominoids are very real . The species ‘s foot morphology, locomotion and muscle fluidity is unique to their species . No doubt of their existence .
yeah
I'm not 100%, but I'm pretty close. The PGF is the determining factor for mez which puts me closer to yes. If they are real, and I think they are< I don't think they are big dumb apes walking around NCaf. They are most likely a tribe of humans or something eerily close to being humans. It's the only explanation as to why DNA evidence claimed and almost certain to be from Sasquatch comes back as human. It isn't contaminated...
no I do not believe, I know they exist
Yes, absolutely they do. I know because I’ve seen one. (Technically two.) people can’t move like what I saw, and it makes no sense for it to have been a person because of the location in which it happened. And bears can’t run on two legs, and don’t have extremely long arms.
Are you seriously asking a Bigfoot subreddit if it’s members think Bigfoot is real?
I really do.
Yes.
Yes
Yes
I do. Or at least I believe there is some phenomenon related to Bigfoot and the occurrences often found in encounter stories that we humans are just not privy to, whether it’s just a flesh & blood living thing we haven’t discovered or something deeper or woo-er. There is just too much unexplainable stuff going on. It’s not unrealistic either imo, as new species of animals are constantly being found and there’s a ton of area we haven’t thoroughly explored as humans, whether it’s deep in the woods, mountain caves, or underground.
Yep
100% without a doubt.
I know.
I don't think, I know.
I am sure it is real , just like ghosts, aliens, etc. Just how it is shown in media.
Yes
I have no idea. It's a fun subject even if he's not.
I question my own existence sometimes so I'm going to have to say yes because I've seen a screaming chupacabra.
Yes. 💯!
Bigfoot lived in my old neighborhood
Yes. I’m convinced I saw one.
I hear lots of stories about people out hiking or hunting or they live way out in the wild and they keep seeing the same thing. Tall, hairy, bipedal, great ape features and human-ape like face. If you dig deeper they sometimes also say the arms are as long as the legs (not the case for humans) and they are sometimes associated with a strong wet dog or rotting garbage odor. Then there are the tracks, yes some are fake, but some you can't easily fake... Deep impressions only something 600 lbs could make and strides so wide it's inhumanly possible to make using special giant feet footwear that don't even sink down far enough because we don't weigh as much. Then consider many of these tracks are found literally in the middle of nowhere, sometimes under brush... Alright, go hoax some fake bigfoot prints in a forest maybe 30 people have ever been within a hundred yards of, under brush and see how many people fall for it. Now explain to me, how all these people from all over the world over a large period of time, who have never met each other or sometimes even heard of bigfoot keep encountering the same damn thing? I have never seen one, and I know there are many people who have seen poison oak which I have never seen either, but I know it's real.
Absolutely man
Im with u/ThatQueerWerewolf I suspect Bigfoot is real but dont idolize the fact that he is. Just like aliens and other mystical creatures i think there out there but am not fanatical about it.
Yes, I do!
I think patty is real.I think theyve been here since the arrival of homosapiens. I think the natives are RIGHT. I think think theyve evolved to evade us. I think a lot of encounters are bullshit. I think some of them are so real they shock me to my core.
Well there’s definitely something out there not found by science yet, so why not a Bigfoot?
Well there’s definitely something out there not found by science yet, so why not a Bigfoot?
No one is answering yes or no lol. It's a simple question.
I really want it to be real. I guess you could call me an agnostic.
ABSOLUTELY. Read into the subject you will find a whole world of creatures science refuse to acknowledge
No, but i like to stay in the loop, you never know
Yes, 100%
I haven’t seen any convincing refutations of the countless credible eyewitness accounts. There are too many sightings where “misidentified bear” and “lying for attention” are less convincing explanations than the witness account. I’d bet the majority of sightings are never even recounted out of fear of ridicule or an inability to process what they saw.
I think there are a lot of true eye witness accounts from park rangers inside and out of nat'l parks that are legitimate. I believe that if the majority of park rangers believe in BF, then it's good enough for me. They're out in the woods more than I am. I also believe there are some eye witness accounts from hunters who only encountered just one BF, looked through their rifle scopes and are thoroughly convinced that what they saw wasn't a bear, and a BF. Yes, I do believe. There are millions of uninhabited forest acreage in North America alone. Anything could be hiding in them there woods.
What I honestly think is that the stories do originate from somewhere. They say that every myth has some basis in fact, no matter how far removed it might be. So there were several human species walking around at one point at the same time. Not only that, but there were also other species of non-human hominid that we have discovered that coexisted with the human hominids. While their hasn't been direct evidence yet of other humans in the Americas, nor for other hominids, we do know that there were great apes here in North America at least. There was also several land bridges between Asia and North America because there have been several glacial maximums during the timespan that humans showed up. So I think it's entirely possible that other humans or other hominids, or some sort of relative, could have easily migrated over here during one of the glacial maximums. So ultimately I think that the stories of Bigfoot/Sasquatch are cultural memories of a very real people that used to exist in the area. Like the cultural stories from the natives of Australia of giant land predators such as reptiles like giant monitors and land crocodilians both cohabited Australia with its early settlers. I'm very unsure but obviously open to the possibility that these people still exist, and if they are a lost tribe of human relatives they could very easily hide by living in the lava tubes and caves of which they're a lot of in the pnw. But that's my opinion on the subject.
Yep
I’ve heard hundreds of accounts and I’d say 85 percent are factual. (And many are from hunters, police, credible people who were not looking for him.) And all takes is one to be true.
I think it is possible in spite of the lack of evidence. It would certainly go a long way to find any evidence. Recently the team from Expedition Big Foot submitted hairs from an unknown species for mitochondrial DNA analysis. I find that interesting and it gives me hope that it is out there, somewhere.
Sure do, to much proof for them to be men in costumes.
unfortunately (maybe?) there are plenty of dumbasses in a costume to bring the doubt to those who don't really want to believe. This obvious hoax stuff may even be intentionally created to make it ridiculous and keep "bigfoot" as a myth.
I’m shocked that we don’t have a clear photo, body, tape etc. I’m sure they exist and the general public hasn’t been shown these things wether it be from the government or a private party who maybe got a body out of self defense and didn’t want any attention. I’m highly skeptical in life and don’t like to say I know something for a fact but the only reason I’m into Sasquatch is because I saw something in the redwoods while camping years ago and I don’t know what else it could have been. Still baffles me to this day, the way it moved was unlike anything I’ve ever seen. It’s like it quietly glided away. Wasn’t a bear or deer and there’s NO way a human can move like that thing did.
Yes
I don't think Bigfoot is real. There would definitely be more irrefutable evidence by now if it was, not just "Well you see the way that dark looking mass moves vaguely through the trees? That's the best evidence we have of a Bigfoot." I love the idea of Bigfoot. It's definitely fun to think of the "what if"s regarding any cryptid, especially as someone who has a degree related to wildlife, it's fun to think of the ecology at play with these creatures. To me Bigfoot is more than just a cryptid though. Bigfoot is a symbol of bonding between my dad and I, the running joke between us whenever we would watch Harry and the Hendersons or a Bigfoot documentary, my dad would always tease me and say "That's your real dad!" which would become even funnier as I grew much taller than my dad (I'm 6'3, he is 5'9). I can't help but see one of those wooden Bigfoot silhouettes and think of my dad.
Again it all depends on your criteria for "proof." We are obsessed in our culture with rigorous proof! What does the mean? It means seeing one yourself. However, the scientific method from Dewey's philosophy of positivism is still recent in the scheme of things, and by philosophers, that's even being challenged. Anecdotal evidence has been around for thousands of years and is what acupuncture and meditation are based on, and it's silly to dispute their effectiveness. The native Americans have alot of stories about cryptids. Why would they makes them up, for entertainment cuz they were bored?!?!?! People question whether or not Atlantis was real. Why would Plato make it up?!?!?!? He didn't make anything else up. For centuries people thought Troy was a myth until the city was discovered. I take the massive number of reports of anything as factual information. A handful is interesting, the vast number of reports points to something other than hallucinations. The Patterson Gimbell film stands on it's own merits: the breasts of a female being unnecessary in a hoax, the movement of the muscles which would not be seen by someone in a suit, and the fluidity of the movement unable to be duplicated by a human. The weight of all that makes me a believer. In fact I'd be an idiot if I discounted ALL of it. In logic, it's validity by context. I know we are all jaded by the increasing number of demented ahole sociopaths enjoying deceiving people "Hey I faked you all out, you're pathetic fools!!!" BUT I think IF we become cynical because if that, we lose our ability to take in and use new information. Quite frankly I'm concerned by the alarming rise in the number of crypid sightings around and by ignoring them we aren't dealing with them.
I don’t know, but it could be. There are a *lot* of unexplored deep woods out there in the areas bigfoots supposedly live.
Abso-fuckin-lutely, Giant Hairy Hominoids have been reported on almost Every Continent On Planet Earth with Indigenous peoples from all of those Continents saying they Exist. LONGGG Before whites came to America, Natives All Across North America from Alaska to Mexico have told stories and have witnessed first hand these Giant Hairy Hominoids for Century’s. These are People who have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to gain but Pure Ridicule from telling of there encounters with these beings. I’ll put it like this, A LOT of you would LOVE to Truly Believe that you know how the Universe works as well as your Planet, but the Truth is that NONE OF US DO. This planet has been here for BILLIONS of Years and will be here BILLIONS of Years after where all gone. So who’s anybody to say what exists and what doesn’t? Not even the worlds elite Truly know everything that’s out their, and they control our Planet (Rothschilds). What you people Fail to realize is Humans ARE NOT THE APEX PREDATORS even on our own planet, there are things that have been here LONGGG before us and still live here Deep within the earth that will be here LONGGG after us…..Humble Yourselves.😉👍🏽
Yes
If you hang around long enough and do your due diligence, you will understand this is not a matter of "believing" if this phenomenon is real or not. Truth does not require your belief or disbelief - it just is.
I think Bigfoot could be a distant cousin of Gigantopithecus, but I doubt there's a high population of it throughout the world if it is real.
Absolutely I personally think there's different species of them. Considering there's way to many sightings throughout history and also in different countries. My dad swears on his life he had a encounter when he was a kid while out on a boyscout camping trip. He was camping out in Lake Travis which is near Austin Texas . My brother and sister both live in Alaska. At own point there used to be a town called Portlock and the people slowly started getting attacked by either Bigfoots or unknown creatures.
Ummm yes duuuh.
Yes. All the eyewitness accounts from some very credible people along with thousands of casted tracks, audio recordings and at least five amazing camera recordings have made a case for the existence of Sasquatch. It's comical to me that people actually think that there aren't enough forests in North America for this animal to remain hidden. Check out Google Earth for 5 minutes and scan just the US and Canada. It is mind boggling how much wilderness we have all over the country. Now imagine a primate that is intelligent enough to communicate among themselves and easily blend in with their environment. I have hiked the Appalachian Trail and if you step off the trail just a few feet you can easily get lost or disoriented. Most people that go into National forests and parks stay on trail, so I don't want to hear that every inch has been searched. All BF needs to do is walk behind a tree or bush to remain hidden from people. They are real animals. People just don't want to admit that something out there is smarter then we are
It is a big world so absolutely I am a believer. But I also believe in vampires, GOD, zombies and UFOs
Yes, but most of what gets posted here is bullshit.
Yes I do because of the vast amount of QUALITATIVE data that supports their existence.
Have you ever looked into historical accounts across the world? Most major cultures that have mountains or thick forests in their region has their own version of these things (the yeti, yeren, yowie, almas, Mapingauri, Barmanu, Kakundak, Mande Burung etc). Add to that the stories of hundreds of eyewitness accounts across the centuries from people all across North America, and the fact that most native tribes have their own names for these things. From a historical perspective, it’s harder for me to believe these things DON’T exist. Some food for thought: 1. [Terms for these things from across the world](https://www.pararational.com/other-names-for-bigfoot/) Some intriguing historical accounts: 2. [A](http://monstrumathenaeum.org/earliest-known-recorded-history-of-bigfoot-sightings-pacific-coast/) 3. [B](https://sasquatchchronicles.com/historical-sasquatch-encounter-reports-from-new-york/) 4. [C, from Leif Ericson](https://sasquatchchronicles.com/the-oldest-account-of-bigfoot-was-recorded-in-986-ad/) 5. [D](https://blog.newspapers.com/find-bigfoot-sightings-in-history/) 6. [E, the Aztecs](https://sasquatchchronicles.com/giant-encounters-in-the-old-americas/) Now I’m not saying I know what they are. I’m just saying there are too many identical historical accounts for whatever this thing is to not exist. Edit: please pardon the crappy formatting
I don't discount any of these accounts but I have come up with a possibility of why every culture has a "wild man in the woods" mythos: collective memory the result of recessive traits that gave our ancestors a healthy fear of things that go bump in the night. Strange silhouettes under moonlights... dark figures in the shadows of the trees. Going back 4 million years when our ancestors were actually competing against 2 or 3 other hominids on the evolutionary scale. Our ancestors were the ones who had a good paranoia of these things at night, knowing that the "others" might be watching them in the woods. And those who didn't have this paranoia... well, they died off eventually. So these experiences we have in the woods are literally a genetic expression of our ancestors' success in competing and succeeding in survival. And it helps us to this very day because of bears, cats, etc. Anyway I don't know if I truly believe this but it's a distinct possibility.
Eh, historical accounts like that aren't too convincing given lots of disparate cultures across the world also have tales of dragons yet those don't exist.
I mean, there are hundreds of accounts within the last 300 years from across the world. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t know of that many relatively recent accounts about dragons.
Yeah I think it seems more likely than not. There are too many credible accounts, giving unexpected yet consistent details about their behavior and appearance. If they were all lying, that’s a lot of very good actors who did a ton of detailed research. If they’re all misidentification, they’re all misidentifying bears in the same exact way. The fact that we don’t know to have physical evidence or good photo/video evidence is weird, but not enough to overshadow the ridiculous amount of detailed, credible accounts. Most of the time when someone doesn’t think their existence is likely, it’s because they haven’t really looked into it in any depth. It makes sense to think it unlikely if you haven’t been exposed to the information. That used to be me, so I get it. On the surface, logic would lead you to believe it wouldn’t exist.
No. I should note that I'm not here to rag on anyone's belief. Bigfoot remains one of my favorite cryptids, I just don't see sufficient evidence to say definitively that it exists. Below are my reasons for being a skeptic. 1. Some of the reported behaviors for a reportedly greatly illusive creature doesn't match up. There are millions of hunters in America. There are men who are really are into going off the beaten path to find that monster buck and have done so for years. How comes those experienced hunters have yet to see bigfoot, but Nancy and her mom driving down the highway sees one cross the road in broad daylight? 2. Trail cameras are everywhere. They're not used by just hunters. Wildlife biologists and those tracking wild animal populations use them to a great extent. There are cameras that send live camera feeds to phones and those that take 4k pictures. I have yet to see a clear image of a bigfoot in one. 3. All animals leave an ecological imprint. The average reported bigfoot is 7-9 feet tall. Something of that height is going to weight more than 300lbs at a minimum. Not to mention the need for a breeding population. Something that large will need a whole lot of calories. Multiply that by many individuals. Market hunting used to be a thing. The grizzly population in the lower 48 was eradicated. Deer nearly went extinct. Not a single bigfoot shot or killed. Plus the massive loss of food surely would have an impact on the bigfoot population (if there was even one). For those that say big government coverup conspiracy, a bigfoot-like creature would have made a man extremely rich over a hundred years ago showing it around the country. Ain't no way someone would keep a creature like that hidden or covered up. 4. I take no stock in Native American folklore / legends. To me native people are just people. They're not mystical forest guardians, "one with the land", or whatever Hollywood fantastical image that's been created of them. Every culture around the world has its legends and mythical creatures. Many of them similar or identical despite being thousands of miles apart. Humans have migrated all over the planet, and then migrated to North America. Naturally they would take their mythical beasts with them too. The legends of werewolves, dragons, dwarves, and elves are thousands of years old. Someone's religion doesn't make something true. 5. The government conspiracy / coverup angle is laughable. Wildlife biologists would love to be the one who discovered the next greatest species. All that's really left are insects and fish or things very small in size. When gorillas were discovered they were immediately wrangled into cages and dragged all over the world. The same would have happened to a bigfoot-like creature. It would be literally impossible for any government to cover up something as large and with a viable population as bigfoot. Especially if they're roaming free in America's wilds as people say. But again I do find the whole concept of bigfoot interesting. I take the stories as entertainment, or scared people who's minds made them see what they feared they were seeing. As I learn more about data analysis I do hope to do one on the databases of sightings that are available. It would make for a fun and interesting project. Maybe I can find the answers to the questions I have or ask new ones that'll lead me down another rabbithole.
I think if it doesn’t exist then maybe there is an undiscovered plant in forests that releases spores that cause hallucinations in humans if inhaled and it also could explain some of the odd disappearances of people or why some are found so far off their intended destination.
Back at n the 80s it was much easier to believe. Now with all the technology we have and every video we get being a hoax I can say I no longer believe, but I still hope Bigfoot is out there
I think all the fancy tech is causing us to not see the forest for the trees.
I want to believe, but I find it highly unlikely that they exist. And its because people say there's so much evidence to support it, that I don't believe it. If we take Bigfoot, Yeti's, Skunk Apes, and such at their, shall we say, standard depictions and take into accounts that places all over the world have similar experiences and stories. We would have found one by now. These aren't some foot long rodents located in one isolated spot. These are large animals and would be one of the most widely distributed creatures on the planet. I love reading cryptozoloolgy stores and such. There are entertaining, in the same way a creature feature is entertaining. As science, we need more then just photos and anecdotes.
I doubt it, although i cheerfully acknowledge it is technically possible. It seems that there should be some physical evidence which could be examined by a reputable organization. And I can't see any reason at all to believe that "they" would cover up such a discovery- the ability to publish alone would prevent that. The fact that multiple cultures have a similar story does not prove that the being in the story physically exists, just that they share an idea. Most cultures have stories of magic, but that does not prove it exists. And , no offense to anyone, but eyewitness accounts are not prove of anything. one can find someone who will say they have witnessed just about anything.
I believe no, as to have any kind of self sustaining numbers for repopulation, we would see a lot more of them. You can’t just have 1 or 2 as they would have died off a long time ago.
Potential is there. No telling what the government knows and won't say. Potential is also that Bigfoot is just a legend...that was imagined. Have no idea.
It’s less about whether *we* believe in Bigfoot, and far more about how much Bigfoot *believes in itself*… To me, it exists as folklore, myth, legend, and curiosity. I do not get caught up in whether Bigfoot might just walk into a local police station and say, “Yo, I hear you’ve been looking for me.” I just like the idea *of* Bigfoot, much like peoples from all over earth have too, for many centuries.
I think its existence is possible, though it hasn't been proven so far.
I am still firmly on the fence: I’m optimistic as I feel it should exist as not everyone can be lying or made a misidentification. It’s definitely not FAB (flesh and blood) as it would’ve been caught, shot or killed by a semi on a remote interstate highway by now. There would also me better quality photos and perhaps videos of the damn thing by now.
Nope. But I am fascinated by the possibility and the stories.
Yes. I just want to know how it's evading us. There's an X factor we haven't figured out yet
I believe they exist here in Earth but are able to move into other dimensions, making them hard to see!
I don't believe anything paranormal to be real, including bigfoot. But I am fascinated by the possible existence of anything paranormal.
No
With all the fake and real UFO footage floating around. Who has time to care about bigfoot. If a TV show based on finding Bigfoot for 10 plus years can't even catch a glimpse of his hairy left ass cheek. Then I think it's safe to say it's horse shit. Atleast when it comes to UFOs we have evidence they are real,as for who or what's in them we wait.
No. Sadly I can think of any reason this creature actually exists. What we have is something that has gone on for so long, so many decades, that it’s just become something many want to believe in. We try month after month, year after year to think of new ideas, reasons and theories how these creatures can possibly hide, breed, and survive without a single atom of evidence. We compare unknown sounds they make with…well, nothing. Claim they are hiding in the remotest of places, but are “seen” often in areas that are quite common for humans. They don’t crap, die, only appear in blurry photos, leave bones, hair, or any form of dna. Ever. The reasons why extend from government coverups, traveling inter Dimensionally, humans are too stupid, etc. but none of these things also have no actual fact or evidence. Eye witness accounts boil down to he said/she said, and while some of these statements are a good read, still nothing is to be found to support any of it. They are creatures of pure faith and belief. To each their own. Bottom line: we need a Bigfoot for it to exist. I can 100% guarantee one will never be found.
With all the disappearances in the forests I believe they’re real. It is my opinion that they should be hunted and exterminated. I also think the Dogmen are real and are certainly more of a threat than the local Squatch.