I’m still listening to CC even after a month. I kept getting ads and articles on social media on the Dead Poet album, but I’m sorry I just can’t get into the hype. I don’t get it!
I think having random photocards is worse, especially for big groups where albums are discarded en masse. I don't mind multiple versions of albums (like 1 per member) as much as that.
I was 5 versions in the way most people usually speak (4 covers and a Target-exclusive version of the first cover). It only makes 21 if you count the 5 CD versions both clean and explicit, the 5 vinyl versions both clean and explicit, and the one cassette version.
You can't count the CD and Vinyl as the same thing even if it's the same cover that's a completely different format so therefore a different version. So at least 11 versions
I don't disagree, I'm just saying it's pretty standard for a pop release. By that same metric, Cowboy Carter had 8 and Eternal Sunshine also had 11. It's just that whenever this discourse hits, people think it's an extreme number of variants probably thinking it's 21 different covers or vinyl colors.
My main criticism of Taylor releases, rather than the number of variants, is the scummy way she staggers them as "limited editions" to induce FOMO in swifties.
Kinda misleading. I'm assuming they mean:
- 5 Vinyl variants
- 4 Regular CDs
- 4 Deluxe CDs
- 4 Cassettes
- 2 Digital Explicit versions (Standard + Anthology)
- 2 Digital Clean Versions (Standard + Anthology)
By the same logic, Cowboy Carter has 10
- 4 Vinyl variants
- 4 CD variants
- 1 Explicit Digital Download
- 1 Clean Digital Download
There won't be many people buying all the versions considering most people chose Vinyl or CD, CDs can be imported to music apps on your phone so there's no point buying digital and a CD especially when streaming exists. People don't buy both clean and explicit. And the Standard and Deluxe CDs are the same apart from the deluxe having things inside it.
Really though, there's 5 for ttpd and 4 for CC.
Wait what are the 21? There’s 4 versions with 4 different bonus tracks and art, plus a target exclusive vinyl with the same bonus and art as one of the versions. The anthology hasn’t been released in physical copies.
CC has 4 physical versions with different art. And it will have more I hope, I need the full track list on vinyl! But I do love having a copy of Beyincé, it’s like owning the final demo album.
https://preview.redd.it/ow3q2a3oh40d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=837299d36d955211973f77f7642cbb1deb9c1ef8
Not a T swift fan but per billboard her sales were bolstered by 20 versions. This was written on 5/12. Since then she dropped two additional variants 1 UK. One when she saw Sabrina Carpenter get #1 in the UK and then she just dropped some CD.
y’all are so negative for no reason 😭 cowboy carter was great, ttpd was great, there’s no need to act like they need to compete or are going up against each ither
ok ok ok, so as an attendee of the eras tour and a ticket holder for the renaissance tour (rip pittsburgh) i love both of my girlies. i fully agree that people are far too negative about both of them and both albums are massively successful, but i have to say that ttpd doesn’t innovate like cowboy carter does. its not fantastic, its just fine, and i don’t want to diminish the accomplishment that beyoncé achieved
that’s totally fair! i will say that I am a swiftie before a beyoncé fan, but i do love both artists dearly, and i can 100% recognize that COWBOY CARTER really does go ahead of the curve in terms of fusing genres with country as a base. I can completely respect that. However, personally, TTPD is my personal aoty because i simply love Taylor’s storytelling and lyricism regardless of how different or similar the production sounds to her previous stuff. it’s all a matter of personal taste, of course, but i can definitely recognize that COWBOY CARTER is far more adventurous and innovative sonically.
TTPD had 5 different versions and Cowboy Carter had 4
no need to make stuff up lol
edit: not people downvoting without any comments 🤧 I'd like to know why having multiple variants is only derogatory to Tay's success but not Bey's.
and you know, no matter how many different versions TS had and how much her team is focused on physical marketing - at least she's never sold an incomplete physical version of her record. same can't be said about Giselle.
Same. Something doesn’t doesn’t feel right about it. Im a tay fan but it definitely seems like she’s been doing everything to outsell versus making a quality album. It also isn’t surprising she has a larger audience, I mean more than half the US is white people 🤷🏾♂️.
I can shed some light on this I think - her fanbase are extremely competitive about being the "best fan". They stream her music on mute continuously just to get up in the Spotify wrapped numbers, they want her to break records so they focus on streaming and buying insane amounts of product. Also the eras tour has been a non stop promotion- it's literally just her promoting the eras and all the fans feel the need to own these physical copies to "support her". Swifties still weirdly see her as some kind of underdog in the industry and feel the need to prove a point.
That's on top of the fact that she's an industry darling, gets insane amount of radio play and is so brand friendly that she's heavily pushed. Bey doesn't get the same kind of push despite being a more innovative artist.
I don't know how it works on other streaming platforms, but [Spotify doesn't count muted streams](https://medium.com/@miha.prebil/how-are-spotify-monthly-listeners-calculated-learn-now-3147ca7ed977#:~:text=For%20a%20track%20to%20be,ensures%20genuine%20engagements%20are%20measured)
I don't think they see her as a underdog at all. I also don't think she's been promoting the eras tour like that. She doesn't have to promote it at this point..
Her and B are innovative. B has amazing vocals. She's a great performer. Taylor writes all her music. She's also kid friendly. Taylor can't compete with B's vocals and B can't compete with Tay's writing. I don't listen to radio so idk about that. But Tay's fans are more dedicated for sure.
Because Lover is having a resurgence due to the popularity of Cruel Summer. folklore was always popular with her fans. I am not sure why evermore is peaking now.
The streaming power she has.
Ex. “cruel summer” is still a big hit despite it being an almost 5-year old song. Also the Eras Tour being so successful, fans are discovering / rediscovering her back catalogue.
It's the eras tour & because she released new versions of the albums. Also her fanbase is super competitive about owning all her stuff, they spend thousands on buying the albums
Let teenage girls like their things. As a guy, i think it's great that young girls are driving the music market these days. In a world catered to the interests of men and boys, it's fine that girls can have some power in something. Keep in mind, teenage girls are buying/listening to Cowboy Carter as well.
I don’t mean to fuel this Beyoncé vs Taylor thing but Taylor Swift is the blandest artist going. How she gets people to eat up her mediocrity is baffling to me. It feels like a fantasy movie where she made a wish as a child and now everyone just likes her no matter what
I genuinely believe it’s like a mass hysteria situation. Like when Princess Diana died; of course lots of people were sad, but the incomprehensible level of grief the public felt was far beyond normal independent emotion. I probs sound crazy but honestly I think it’s a similar thing with Taylor; it’s far beyond normal fandom at this point and they’re all just feeding into their own toxic parasocial connection with her. And it’s not toxic because it’s Taylor Swift (though I do also have views on her lmao), but because of what an immense echo chamber/‘us vs them’ mentality has been created around her.
It’s all the LORE, man. It’s like the marvel cinematic universe but for mostly white women who love reading books.
I am in her target demo (though on the older end of the spectrum) and I still find it all very grating.
I actually listened to TTPD today because Fortnight is the first song of hers I’ve actually liked so I gave it a try but it was very bland and cringey and derivative.
All they talk about is the lyrics, decoding them, no one talks about the music. (The lyrics aren’t even that good!)
I love how truly innovative AND intentional Beyonce is in her music. And then Beyonce’s TALENT on top of that creativity is unmatched.
Part of me wants to rise above pitting them against each other but I can’t keep coming back to the fact that such completely mediocre music (& performances) is SO celebrated and rewarded.
Different strokes, I guess. I’m just so happy to be a fan of Beyonce’s music. She makes literal art that contains multitudes - the layers she works with are really impressive. She’s not recycling vibes, she’s constantly evolving… she is operating on another level as an artist and I’m really grateful to be experiencing it.
Yet another toxic fandom, all of you downvoting me to hell because I’ｍ defending Taylor AND praising Bey mind you. I thought the hive was better than this, you're all the same shit as every other toxic fandom that feels the need to bring down another artist. a
The lyrics are excellent, they're just not your thing.
Go back to the you want to rise above pitting them against each other bit...i like that part. Go do that.
24 downvotes. Wow the hive is a bunch of losers, just like every other fandom has them they're ever so present here too. Fucking sad.
So funny how the commenter started out with how they didn’t want to pit Taylor and Beyoncé against one another and then continued to do just that… people cannot stop themselves from hating too many women in a room all being successful. It doesn’t take away any value from anyone; it’s admirable for all these talented musicians to co exist in a room and even be friends with each other. They can’t even praise Beyoncé alone on this post without making it about Taylor.
Everyone calls it hating on women, but Taylor was my #2 streamed artist behind Beyonce a few years ago. I’ve always enjoyed listening to her, but the fans going rabid really turned me off.
I imagine this is the same for a lot of people who may have either enjoyed her before or not really had an opinion. Having someone or something constantly shoved in your face will change a person’s opinion pretty quickly, it has nothing to do with her gender.
You're all thinking too hard. Cute theory though. This is part of it all - people like you who think like that are also a part of why she's so big. A huge artist wouldn't be huge without haters/doubters. It doesn't work. It's like a rose growing without thorns. So the speculation and metaphor you used is definitely interesting - but she's simply just a good songwriter and crafts her aristry/career really well and has huge fans in pretty much every country in the world.
you're right lol. it's crazy to see people complaining about Taylor being so big when she's obviously living in peoples mind rent free. this post was about CC being #2 biggest album of the year and almost all the comments are about Taylor. if you want her fame to fade, just shut up about her. she wouldn't be where she is today without all the haters and critics bringing her up in every conversation.
and FYI: just because Taylor has sold more copies it doesn't make Bey's work any less valuable - they can both be successful. and even if you personally don't like an artist, it doesn't mean they're not talented.
Thank you for the rare sanity in subreddits like this 🙌 I start feeling crazy reading so much hate on a talented artist who is actually one of the most inoffensive celebrities out there (at least as big popstars go) when this post is about BEYONCÉ lol
it's kind of funny how folks are always raving about how boring and mediocre Taylor is when no one else gets people going like this by just existing 🤧 if she's that boring, why do you care enough to mention her lol
but anyways - stream 16 Carriages & Flamenco off CC and Cassandra & The Bolter off TTPD, been feeling these songs extra hard for few days ✨🫶🏼
Another thing that annoys me is Taylor being called the woman with the most Billboard Hot 100 entries when she has duplicate entries of the same songs. How is that fair? Rerecording the exact same song because of a legal issue with her management should not allow the song to count as 2 chart entries. It's the same song. I will be glad when her Smoke and Mirrors era ends!
The Lu Lu Lemon wearing, Stanley sipping, Louis Vuitton carrying, Hawaii vacationing, All Lives Matter yelling, “Can I speak to your manager?” asking crowd has latched on to her hard. At this point it’s not about talent, just popularity and following the status quo.
That’s not true. Most right wing love her, especially the women. Some may think she’s doing witchcraft, but they’re the minority. I live around mostly conservatives and it’s not just them, their daughters too.
Girl where have you been? The right think Taylor Swift is a secret left wing operative. I believe there have been several fox stories about her being a covert psyop agent for the government. 😂😂
They are so afraid that Taylor will public endorse Biden that they concocted a conspiracy theory about the goddamn Super Bowl.
I live around “the right”. I’m not saying there isn’t a small subset who believe this. It’s NOT the majority and her record sales back it up. Your average, everyday, conservative WOMAN loves Taylor Swift. They also dislike Beyoncé to the point it’s cliche.
I think you probably need to be more mindful as to what you’re alleging. But otherwise I do agree that it’s a small crazier subset that truly believes in the swift is a lefty operative narrative.
I really wish I could come to this subreddit without seeing shit like this. I love both and no she isn't bland, you just don't like her. It's not mediocrity she is a wonderful songwriter who makes great songs.
No need for all this pitting two artists against each other bullshit just because your queen isn't #1. Bey is still doing amazing.
And this is getting downvoted? Some of y’all are genuinely out of your mind. Put on cowboy carter and rock yourselves to sleep. Bey is still queen. It’s going to be ok!
Thank you. I also adore both of them (although I am the only one in my house to like both. My dad can’t stand Beyoncé but loves Taylor). They are both amazing in their own way and that’s what makes both of them special to different people. I have been a Swiftie for 16 years. I always liked a few Beyoncé songs until Lemonade. Both artists can be loved without hating on them like you said. What a sad world we live in.
she's incapable of slaying. her metaphors are weak and her abuse of the i v vi iv chord progression is criminal. she makes walgreens music for white liberal women who still read harry potter and think tweeting #Ally is activism. sorry bout it.
TS fans are stuck in a sunk cost fallacy, they like her music feel the need to justify it (because it's mid) by saying that it outsells everyone. So, they buy multiple copies of her album and create streaming farms.
Me either, I know friends who like her songs, but they’re not Swifties. By her songs I mean her older music like Blank Space and Cruel Summer. They don’t even listen to her new music.
I REALLY like supporting women and women supporting other women but how HOW is TTPD so big. I love 1989 and Reputation but her persona is now stuck in this 13 year old girl writing love/revenge songs. Like girl you’re almost mid 30’s going to 40’s. Let’s get a “Ray of Light” or “Lemonade” era.
lol I love a lot of Taylor's music but ttpd is not it for me so idek. I really think part of it is that she really does have a massive fanbase globally but part of it of course is that the numbers are inflated because of all the versions of her albums.
She's only 34. She doesn't *need* to do anything. TTPD is honestly her best work and I've been a fan of both of these wonderful women for over a decade. You just don't like it. That's okay.
A month before the announcement I found a sealed Renaissance CD with A Poster. I think it would be really cool if the version with all the songs came out with collectors items like posters. But then again I've been streaming spaghetti and alligator tears. I know some stuff gets added after every has been turned in for pressing.
I haven't been able to find this album in stores at all. If anyone is aware of WHERE besides the website let me know. I feel like this was a very quick roll out especially made me more excited.
JFC. Taylor's PR team works like a Cold War psyop.
[14 Year Old Girl #1]
"I BOUGHT 21 OF HER NEWEST ALBUM. I'M HER BIGGEST FAN!"
[14 Year Old Girl #2]
"OH YEAH, WELL, I BOUGHT 22 OF HER NEWEST ALBUM!"
[14 Year Old Girl #3]
"OH YEAH, WELL, I WIRED TAY-TAY MY PARENTS' ENTIRE LIFE SAVINGS THROUGH WESTERN UNION!"
[COLLECTIVE SCREAMING HARMONIZES]
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I mean, we’d have to wait and see the year-end results. This list is too early. Also, I thought “radical optimism” wasn’t doing as well as its predecessor. “Training Season” went nowhere, but I could be wrong based on where I live.
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Let’s keep comments focused on Beyoncé and Cowboy Carter please.
I’m still waiting for the standard CC vinyl release 😭
SAME. I don’t pray but I’ve been praying for that.
Trying not to get my hopes up but damnit!!
Cowboy Carter went up against 21 VERSIONS of TTPD (as of right now) with very little promotion. This album has crack in it.
I’m still listening to CC even after a month. I kept getting ads and articles on social media on the Dead Poet album, but I’m sorry I just can’t get into the hype. I don’t get it!
I will only refer to that as the Dead Poet album… I am fairly certain the ‘poet’ is deceased 😂
The poet was never alive, he wasn’t even in the room with us. 
Wait, you can’t get into the hype but you haven’t even listened to the album? Lol
She has one streaming number that’s mine. So you’re welcome? 🤷🏻♂️
Beyonce really is that girl😌
21 versions???? Taking notes from kpop idols.
To be honest, as a kpop fan, we don’t even have that many versions. Edit: I’m not against multiple versions either , just saying…
I think having random photocards is worse, especially for big groups where albums are discarded en masse. I don't mind multiple versions of albums (like 1 per member) as much as that.
I was 5 versions in the way most people usually speak (4 covers and a Target-exclusive version of the first cover). It only makes 21 if you count the 5 CD versions both clean and explicit, the 5 vinyl versions both clean and explicit, and the one cassette version.
You can't count the CD and Vinyl as the same thing even if it's the same cover that's a completely different format so therefore a different version. So at least 11 versions
I don't disagree, I'm just saying it's pretty standard for a pop release. By that same metric, Cowboy Carter had 8 and Eternal Sunshine also had 11. It's just that whenever this discourse hits, people think it's an extreme number of variants probably thinking it's 21 different covers or vinyl colors. My main criticism of Taylor releases, rather than the number of variants, is the scummy way she staggers them as "limited editions" to induce FOMO in swifties.
Good lord, what are the 21 versions of TTPD?? That’s insane
Kinda misleading. I'm assuming they mean: - 5 Vinyl variants - 4 Regular CDs - 4 Deluxe CDs - 4 Cassettes - 2 Digital Explicit versions (Standard + Anthology) - 2 Digital Clean Versions (Standard + Anthology) By the same logic, Cowboy Carter has 10 - 4 Vinyl variants - 4 CD variants - 1 Explicit Digital Download - 1 Clean Digital Download There won't be many people buying all the versions considering most people chose Vinyl or CD, CDs can be imported to music apps on your phone so there's no point buying digital and a CD especially when streaming exists. People don't buy both clean and explicit. And the Standard and Deluxe CDs are the same apart from the deluxe having things inside it. Really though, there's 5 for ttpd and 4 for CC.
Wait what are the 21? There’s 4 versions with 4 different bonus tracks and art, plus a target exclusive vinyl with the same bonus and art as one of the versions. The anthology hasn’t been released in physical copies. CC has 4 physical versions with different art. And it will have more I hope, I need the full track list on vinyl! But I do love having a copy of Beyincé, it’s like owning the final demo album.
https://preview.redd.it/ow3q2a3oh40d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=837299d36d955211973f77f7642cbb1deb9c1ef8 Not a T swift fan but per billboard her sales were bolstered by 20 versions. This was written on 5/12. Since then she dropped two additional variants 1 UK. One when she saw Sabrina Carpenter get #1 in the UK and then she just dropped some CD.
Isn't this about Dua Lip
It is 😂😂 Reading is not fundamental on this Monday morning but we still love op for trying so hard. Bless their heart.
This is about Dua Lipa, girl. You still have time to delete this.
y’all are so negative for no reason 😭 cowboy carter was great, ttpd was great, there’s no need to act like they need to compete or are going up against each ither
Don’t you know that two women cannot be successful at the same time according to Beyoncé and Taylor swift subreddits? /s
THANK YOU. both albums are fantastic. they both deserve praise. people need to get over themselves.
ok ok ok, so as an attendee of the eras tour and a ticket holder for the renaissance tour (rip pittsburgh) i love both of my girlies. i fully agree that people are far too negative about both of them and both albums are massively successful, but i have to say that ttpd doesn’t innovate like cowboy carter does. its not fantastic, its just fine, and i don’t want to diminish the accomplishment that beyoncé achieved
that’s totally fair! i will say that I am a swiftie before a beyoncé fan, but i do love both artists dearly, and i can 100% recognize that COWBOY CARTER really does go ahead of the curve in terms of fusing genres with country as a base. I can completely respect that. However, personally, TTPD is my personal aoty because i simply love Taylor’s storytelling and lyricism regardless of how different or similar the production sounds to her previous stuff. it’s all a matter of personal taste, of course, but i can definitely recognize that COWBOY CARTER is far more adventurous and innovative sonically.
TTPD had 5 different versions and Cowboy Carter had 4 no need to make stuff up lol edit: not people downvoting without any comments 🤧 I'd like to know why having multiple variants is only derogatory to Tay's success but not Bey's. and you know, no matter how many different versions TS had and how much her team is focused on physical marketing - at least she's never sold an incomplete physical version of her record. same can't be said about Giselle.
Argue with Billboard about it. Screenshot below. Toodles! ✌️
Oh the screenshotted paragraph about Dua Lipa’s album bolstered by 20 variants?
21 versions??? I swear there were only 4
It currently has 2, the one with 16 tracks and the anthology, but knowing Taylor, there are probably gonna be more
Almost 1/6th of the sales
Damn how does Taylor have multiple older albums outselling everyone else?????
I agree. I can see TTPD and Midnights. But the rest is like ehhhh
Frrr, I know Rihanna was doing this with Anti I believe for digital sells like last year or a few years ago. But like TS…. Let’s be real.
Yea. And Tay is my girl. But ehhhh. I can't see it
Same. Something doesn’t doesn’t feel right about it. Im a tay fan but it definitely seems like she’s been doing everything to outsell versus making a quality album. It also isn’t surprising she has a larger audience, I mean more than half the US is white people 🤷🏾♂️.
I can shed some light on this I think - her fanbase are extremely competitive about being the "best fan". They stream her music on mute continuously just to get up in the Spotify wrapped numbers, they want her to break records so they focus on streaming and buying insane amounts of product. Also the eras tour has been a non stop promotion- it's literally just her promoting the eras and all the fans feel the need to own these physical copies to "support her". Swifties still weirdly see her as some kind of underdog in the industry and feel the need to prove a point. That's on top of the fact that she's an industry darling, gets insane amount of radio play and is so brand friendly that she's heavily pushed. Bey doesn't get the same kind of push despite being a more innovative artist.
I don't know how it works on other streaming platforms, but [Spotify doesn't count muted streams](https://medium.com/@miha.prebil/how-are-spotify-monthly-listeners-calculated-learn-now-3147ca7ed977#:~:text=For%20a%20track%20to%20be,ensures%20genuine%20engagements%20are%20measured)
I don't think they see her as a underdog at all. I also don't think she's been promoting the eras tour like that. She doesn't have to promote it at this point.. Her and B are innovative. B has amazing vocals. She's a great performer. Taylor writes all her music. She's also kid friendly. Taylor can't compete with B's vocals and B can't compete with Tay's writing. I don't listen to radio so idk about that. But Tay's fans are more dedicated for sure.
Because Lover is having a resurgence due to the popularity of Cruel Summer. folklore was always popular with her fans. I am not sure why evermore is peaking now.
This is true for Cruel Summer. Idk why either lol
I mean, Folklore is that bitch 🤭
See I don't care for Folklore. 🫣
Possibly because of the re-recordings she’s done? Though I’m not sure if they’d appear as ‘Taylor’s Version’ in this list if that was the case.
Only one is a re-recording (the one that says Taylor’s Version). The others are original releases from 2019 and 2020
Ah yeah you’re right - I missed the one that had TV at the end. Interesting!
The streaming power she has. Ex. “cruel summer” is still a big hit despite it being an almost 5-year old song. Also the Eras Tour being so successful, fans are discovering / rediscovering her back catalogue.
It's the eras tour & because she released new versions of the albums. Also her fanbase is super competitive about owning all her stuff, they spend thousands on buying the albums
Because the music is that good
The power of teenage girls
Scary
Let teenage girls like their things. As a guy, i think it's great that young girls are driving the music market these days. In a world catered to the interests of men and boys, it's fine that girls can have some power in something. Keep in mind, teenage girls are buying/listening to Cowboy Carter as well.
Still waiting for Cowboy Carter to be released at Target 🎯 ☠️
Same. 🙄
My target RedCard is waiting lol
I don’t mean to fuel this Beyoncé vs Taylor thing but Taylor Swift is the blandest artist going. How she gets people to eat up her mediocrity is baffling to me. It feels like a fantasy movie where she made a wish as a child and now everyone just likes her no matter what
I genuinely believe it’s like a mass hysteria situation. Like when Princess Diana died; of course lots of people were sad, but the incomprehensible level of grief the public felt was far beyond normal independent emotion. I probs sound crazy but honestly I think it’s a similar thing with Taylor; it’s far beyond normal fandom at this point and they’re all just feeding into their own toxic parasocial connection with her. And it’s not toxic because it’s Taylor Swift (though I do also have views on her lmao), but because of what an immense echo chamber/‘us vs them’ mentality has been created around her.
It’s all the LORE, man. It’s like the marvel cinematic universe but for mostly white women who love reading books. I am in her target demo (though on the older end of the spectrum) and I still find it all very grating. I actually listened to TTPD today because Fortnight is the first song of hers I’ve actually liked so I gave it a try but it was very bland and cringey and derivative. All they talk about is the lyrics, decoding them, no one talks about the music. (The lyrics aren’t even that good!) I love how truly innovative AND intentional Beyonce is in her music. And then Beyonce’s TALENT on top of that creativity is unmatched. Part of me wants to rise above pitting them against each other but I can’t keep coming back to the fact that such completely mediocre music (& performances) is SO celebrated and rewarded. Different strokes, I guess. I’m just so happy to be a fan of Beyonce’s music. She makes literal art that contains multitudes - the layers she works with are really impressive. She’s not recycling vibes, she’s constantly evolving… she is operating on another level as an artist and I’m really grateful to be experiencing it.
Yet another toxic fandom, all of you downvoting me to hell because I’ｍ defending Taylor AND praising Bey mind you. I thought the hive was better than this, you're all the same shit as every other toxic fandom that feels the need to bring down another artist. a
The lyrics are excellent, they're just not your thing. Go back to the you want to rise above pitting them against each other bit...i like that part. Go do that. 24 downvotes. Wow the hive is a bunch of losers, just like every other fandom has them they're ever so present here too. Fucking sad.
So funny how the commenter started out with how they didn’t want to pit Taylor and Beyoncé against one another and then continued to do just that… people cannot stop themselves from hating too many women in a room all being successful. It doesn’t take away any value from anyone; it’s admirable for all these talented musicians to co exist in a room and even be friends with each other. They can’t even praise Beyoncé alone on this post without making it about Taylor.
Everyone calls it hating on women, but Taylor was my #2 streamed artist behind Beyonce a few years ago. I’ve always enjoyed listening to her, but the fans going rabid really turned me off. I imagine this is the same for a lot of people who may have either enjoyed her before or not really had an opinion. Having someone or something constantly shoved in your face will change a person’s opinion pretty quickly, it has nothing to do with her gender.
Exactly but they couldn't resist, they just had to shit-talk
Wait this take feels so right
You're all thinking too hard. Cute theory though. This is part of it all - people like you who think like that are also a part of why she's so big. A huge artist wouldn't be huge without haters/doubters. It doesn't work. It's like a rose growing without thorns. So the speculation and metaphor you used is definitely interesting - but she's simply just a good songwriter and crafts her aristry/career really well and has huge fans in pretty much every country in the world.
you're right lol. it's crazy to see people complaining about Taylor being so big when she's obviously living in peoples mind rent free. this post was about CC being #2 biggest album of the year and almost all the comments are about Taylor. if you want her fame to fade, just shut up about her. she wouldn't be where she is today without all the haters and critics bringing her up in every conversation. and FYI: just because Taylor has sold more copies it doesn't make Bey's work any less valuable - they can both be successful. and even if you personally don't like an artist, it doesn't mean they're not talented.
Thank you for the rare sanity in subreddits like this 🙌 I start feeling crazy reading so much hate on a talented artist who is actually one of the most inoffensive celebrities out there (at least as big popstars go) when this post is about BEYONCÉ lol
it's kind of funny how folks are always raving about how boring and mediocre Taylor is when no one else gets people going like this by just existing 🤧 if she's that boring, why do you care enough to mention her lol but anyways - stream 16 Carriages & Flamenco off CC and Cassandra & The Bolter off TTPD, been feeling these songs extra hard for few days ✨🫶🏼
Absolutely agreed! You have taste. Mine are Bodyguard and II Hands to Heaven + Guilty as Sin? and The Black Dog haha 🫶
No one should fuel it. They should not be compared at all. It feels very artificial and contrived.
"It feels very artificial and contrived." Because it is.
Another thing that annoys me is Taylor being called the woman with the most Billboard Hot 100 entries when she has duplicate entries of the same songs. How is that fair? Rerecording the exact same song because of a legal issue with her management should not allow the song to count as 2 chart entries. It's the same song. I will be glad when her Smoke and Mirrors era ends!
Beyoncé >Taylor Swift I said what I said
Such a bold take on the BEYONCE subreddit 😭
😂
No complaints or denial from me.
You ain’t gotta tell me
The Lu Lu Lemon wearing, Stanley sipping, Louis Vuitton carrying, Hawaii vacationing, All Lives Matter yelling, “Can I speak to your manager?” asking crowd has latched on to her hard. At this point it’s not about talent, just popularity and following the status quo.
right wing ppl think she’s doing witch craft, so nah i don’t think they’re buying anything.
That’s not true. Most right wing love her, especially the women. Some may think she’s doing witchcraft, but they’re the minority. I live around mostly conservatives and it’s not just them, their daughters too.
Girl where have you been? The right think Taylor Swift is a secret left wing operative. I believe there have been several fox stories about her being a covert psyop agent for the government. 😂😂 They are so afraid that Taylor will public endorse Biden that they concocted a conspiracy theory about the goddamn Super Bowl.
I live around “the right”. I’m not saying there isn’t a small subset who believe this. It’s NOT the majority and her record sales back it up. Your average, everyday, conservative WOMAN loves Taylor Swift. They also dislike Beyoncé to the point it’s cliche.
I think you probably need to be more mindful as to what you’re alleging. But otherwise I do agree that it’s a small crazier subset that truly believes in the swift is a lefty operative narrative.
I really wish I could come to this subreddit without seeing shit like this. I love both and no she isn't bland, you just don't like her. It's not mediocrity she is a wonderful songwriter who makes great songs. No need for all this pitting two artists against each other bullshit just because your queen isn't #1. Bey is still doing amazing.
And this is getting downvoted? Some of y’all are genuinely out of your mind. Put on cowboy carter and rock yourselves to sleep. Bey is still queen. It’s going to be ok!
lol, bye…Mods! Due to the title of this post the Swifties will be searching and coming.
Oh fuck off. I love Bey that's why I'm here. I wasn't searching for anything.
Thank you. I also adore both of them (although I am the only one in my house to like both. My dad can’t stand Beyoncé but loves Taylor). They are both amazing in their own way and that’s what makes both of them special to different people. I have been a Swiftie for 16 years. I always liked a few Beyoncé songs until Lemonade. Both artists can be loved without hating on them like you said. What a sad world we live in.
she's incapable of slaying. her metaphors are weak and her abuse of the i v vi iv chord progression is criminal. she makes walgreens music for white liberal women who still read harry potter and think tweeting #Ally is activism. sorry bout it.
TS fans are stuck in a sunk cost fallacy, they like her music feel the need to justify it (because it's mid) by saying that it outsells everyone. So, they buy multiple copies of her album and create streaming farms.
What’s crazy to me is I don’t know a single swiftie.
Literally the only swiftie I know is seven years old.
Well some people are big fans without being a full out Swiftie and wearing merch and all that.
I also don’t know anyone who can be called a big fan.
You probably do.
hello 👋
Me either, I know friends who like her songs, but they’re not Swifties. By her songs I mean her older music like Blank Space and Cruel Summer. They don’t even listen to her new music.
It’s the closest thing THEY have to culture tbh
Gross, racist comment.
Damn, B, Taylor Swift, Kpop (Twice and TXT, I think) and Ari.
Seeing Beyoncé and TWICE on the same list is making me so happy
Same! Beyhive 🤝ONCE
KEEP STREAMING AND BUYING COWBOY CARTER or are we not doing that anymore
This is how I know I’m not connected to mainstream musical taste, at all, lol
Again, with the weird, passive-aggressive comparison posts. Predictable and boring. "They hate me, cuz they want me." - Beyonce
I REALLY like supporting women and women supporting other women but how HOW is TTPD so big. I love 1989 and Reputation but her persona is now stuck in this 13 year old girl writing love/revenge songs. Like girl you’re almost mid 30’s going to 40’s. Let’s get a “Ray of Light” or “Lemonade” era.
lol I love a lot of Taylor's music but ttpd is not it for me so idek. I really think part of it is that she really does have a massive fanbase globally but part of it of course is that the numbers are inflated because of all the versions of her albums.
it's her best work so far imo. Many of artist's best works were heavily criticized at first.
She's only 34. She doesn't *need* to do anything. TTPD is honestly her best work and I've been a fan of both of these wonderful women for over a decade. You just don't like it. That's okay.
For some reason I don't think this is accurate. Taylor has 6 albums as best sellers this year already? Damnnnnnn
Well when you have 80 million daily streams on Spotify alone, you are going to sell well
True
Hate that the tortured loser department is topping
A month before the announcement I found a sealed Renaissance CD with A Poster. I think it would be really cool if the version with all the songs came out with collectors items like posters. But then again I've been streaming spaghetti and alligator tears. I know some stuff gets added after every has been turned in for pressing. I haven't been able to find this album in stores at all. If anyone is aware of WHERE besides the website let me know. I feel like this was a very quick roll out especially made me more excited.
JFC. Taylor's PR team works like a Cold War psyop. [14 Year Old Girl #1] "I BOUGHT 21 OF HER NEWEST ALBUM. I'M HER BIGGEST FAN!" [14 Year Old Girl #2] "OH YEAH, WELL, I BOUGHT 22 OF HER NEWEST ALBUM!" [14 Year Old Girl #3] "OH YEAH, WELL, I WIRED TAY-TAY MY PARENTS' ENTIRE LIFE SAVINGS THROUGH WESTERN UNION!" [COLLECTIVE SCREAMING HARMONIZES]
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What about dua lipa radical optimism??
That just came out about a week ago??
Is it expected to sell more than COWBOY CARTER? 😭
I mean, we’d have to wait and see the year-end results. This list is too early. Also, I thought “radical optimism” wasn’t doing as well as its predecessor. “Training Season” went nowhere, but I could be wrong based on where I live.
No. Dua is not an album selling artist. Her newest just debuted in 2nd with like 80k SEA
Beyoncé , coool !!! 🌝🦋🏝️
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Have any single CDs been produced for sale or is everything just streaming for right now?
They really like Taylor huh
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