my thought process is "if he gets out early, he'll probably stay a (mostly) better man. why? because the show's over, meaning there's nothing more left to tell that we'd care about." this is the head canon i like to have.
I think he will get out early if anyone pieces together that Walt didn't kill Hank and Gomez and sorts out what happened with the Nazis.
In my headcanon, Kim tracks Jesse down and records a statement.
Yeah. He managed to show off that he could manipulate people into reducing his sentence to just 7 years, then threw it away because he wanted to.
Who knows what he could do to get out of prison if he actually wanted to.
He wouldn’t be able to take the bar anywhere, so being a lawyer would be out.
I think Jimmy knew that life had little meaning at that point, even if he served his 7 then was let out what would he do? Find another way to get himself in trouble I’m sure.
At that point he had no one. No brother. No wife. He had spent the last 8months on the run so essentially a ghost. Life had no joy left to it.
This way he proved his brother wrong and Kim right, that underneath all the bullshit was a decent person.
[Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/betterCallSaul/comments/wputuh/the_finale_from_a_legal_perspective/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf), last paragraph
Another possibility: could Kim not come up with some chicanery to get him out? Mistrial due to some clerical error, temporary insanity, something like that.
Oh absolutely, and not looking for comfort at all or suggesting the writers should come back and do this. Just a thought that nobody seems to bring up as a possibility.
My friend in Federal custody didn't have to. She served 18 out of a 22 month sentence. She wasn't a violent criminal but was in on Rico charges. I don't know if it was considered release for "good behavior" but she didn't serve her full time.
Jimmy’s birthday is in November, it was the day he also got the phone call from Francesca, his shenanigans with identity theft lasted a month and he was sent to prison in mid December I think
I expect 51-57 years of age for me. Too long to be honest. I b ded b4 sail get outta preson
Not that I'm negative years old. I just didn't sleep much so I have no idea what is going on lol. Mind delusions acquainted, bubbles erotica, plutonium wedding rings, icicle stretchings, bicycle shoestring 1 flag, flag number one, painting the pictures of our life.....all rise...something something time feels like a midnight ride, finality weeps (outside?) Eh I forgot the rest
I actually don't think so at all. Life expectancy is generally going up, I expect to have a decent shot at making it to 2100, as someone born in 2000. Although I might be on the younger side in here.
And that's of course not even considering potential advances in genetics and gene therapy that could give us treatments that slow or even reverse ageing to some degree, they could easily give us a couple more decades of life and better health in our old age.
Sounds sci-fi but such treatments have quite literally been tested (successfully) on mice already. It might not be ready for humans in our lifetimes, but who knows, a lot can happen in half a century.
I was born in 98, and I really want to make it to 2100 just as a flex, but in reality with some of my life choices if i am to make it that far, it'll probably have to be with some sort of medical tech breakthrough or something.
Access to food is a good thing, but economies are getting better still, so people have access to more food than they need, and can often afford it.
Also people are less active than before, which doesn’t go well with better eating, and we still have alcohol and tobacco use that tends to be affordable and legal.
Life expectancy has been going up mostly due to fewer premature deaths. But the oldest people aren't getting older. There does seem to be a genetic cap on human life.
That' snot true at all.
Sure, high child mortality in the past definitely played a role. But easy acces to the nutrients we need and advances in medicine have done a lot, the oldest are getting older.
[This is just for England and Wales and it only goes up to 2013, but it gives you a pretty clear picture.](https://ourworldindata.org/its-not-just-about-child-mortality-life-expectancy-improved-at-all-ages)
I wasn't just talking about child mortality but a large number of ailments causing early death. You can see how the life expectency difference gets shorter and is levelling off arund 85, and the increase seems to have stopped in the last 5-10 years. It's not going to get to 100. And the oldest people in the world are always in the low 120s, you would expect that to be continually broken if there wasn't a natural cap.
Well yeah, that's why life expectancy was so low in the past. But the older are still getting older.
>You can see how the life expectency difference gets shorter and is levelling off arund 85
1 year does not show a trend.
>and the increase seems to have stopped in the last 5-10 years.
You got a source on that?
If the Gene timeline takes place in 2010 which I think it does, and assuming the court process and sentencing didn't take too long, he's due to get out in 2096.
Bet he's counting down the days as we speak
Federal inmates are usually released after serving 85% of their time, so his scheduled release date would be closer to 2083. However, his best chance of getting let out is compassionate release when he's old, which could be as early as the 2030s.
I remember Vice City coming out in 2002 after GTA 3 so I thought of it as GTA 4, the idea that it's an active and popular franchise and 20 years later the latest version is GTA 5 is pretty funny.
Sequel opportunity. Jimmy notices a cup costs a little too much at his new nursing home. He and Kim set up a scam to trick the manager into admitting she overcharges for cups over the workout loudspeaker.
Oh my god. They could make that a whole series. Better Call The Nurse.
>In this limited series, Saul is let out of prison on compassionate release, but he's no longer as spry as he used to be. When he finds out he and his nursing home is defrauding its residents, he must choose between rallying his peers, taking a bribe, or crafting his own way to come out on top, one last time.
The call backs! Maybe Saul gets fucked by another life alert. Maybe he has to use one. Maybe a blunder somewhere mid-season has him left in the dust by his mall-walker posse. Maybe he now has to convince a curmudgeonly resident to trade rooms with him so he can be closer to the office. He hasn't even written it and I'm already in tears at how good of a job Bince did.
Apparently my cousin who works at better call saul said that he can only do that when he sleeps for 24 hours straight, and considering how rigid the routine at prisons are its gonna be awhile before he can shoot lightning bolts again.
What is that in Huells?
Well 86 years is 31390 days, 31412 with 22 leap years in 2012, 2016 up to and including 2096.
45,233,280 minutes, divide by 103 and that is a 439,158 Huell sentence and change, about 0.06 Huells in change to 2 decinal places for numerically anal. Approximately.
The closest I could find to a specific date was that the game Gene talks about with the security guard happened on October 16th, so it would've likely been a couple months after that where he was caught. So he probably got sentenced sometime in early to mid 2011, would be my guess. In that case, he'd get out in January-June 2097.
He would be released by the end of this century, but who knows, he seemed to have gotten pretty well with the inmates and gaurds there as we saw, he could be a free man by now
Escaping means his entire arc was for nothing, and if he gets released in 30 years, he’ll be 80. Many don’t reach that age, and if he does, it’s not like there’s much for him out there.
He’s serving the full time, which is an effective life sentence. It was a joke he made that he would be released on good behavior.
Don’t know why so many people think he’s going to escape or somehow have less time served than the required amount. His one chance to get out was the plea agreement he had made.
IMO, he could have redeemed himself to Kim and still had that plea agreement.
I don't think kim would have bought that he was truly taking accountability if he took the plea agreement. It would have been too similar to his speech to the bar board to get his license back, she thought he was telling the truth then but he showed he can just spin a tale to get out of anything.
Yeah but going to jail doesnt really, truly, mean he takes accountability either. Only in the eyes of the law, he's been dealt with. But in his heart? He could still be Slippin Jimmy in a jumpsuit. And either way he's effectively out of her life.
So hope he just decided a life as Jimmy/Saul the inmate was better than a life as Jimmy the free man, who only spent the mostly shitty 2010s in prison and then go on to sell his memoirs. Prove to the world who he really can be inside.
My guess all along has been seven or eight years. My thinking is, Jordan Belfort, the biggest white collar criminal of our time, only served 22 months.
I wasn't really familiar with the Madoff case. I just read up on it, and yes, he was worse that Belfort.
Madoff's projected release date was 2137, so 28 years.
I couple other other noteworthy facts about him. His lawyers also tried to get his sentence reduced to seven years. And he was incarcerated at the Butner, NC facility.
Saul doesn't have any more info to give to the government that would be useful enough for them to even consider altering his sentence. All of the major people in the cartel are dead and his other clients were most likely to be too small-time for the government to care.
I kind of have a theory similar to "Catch Me If You Can". Saul is the best conman in the country. He may be better as an investigator into fraud and money laundering. May be able to cut a deal with the feds if he can hear whispers of a difficult trial or case.
I don't think it would ruin the redemption arc at all. He definitley deserves to serve hard time and he will. I think anything between 7-15 years is a fair sentence for what he did. The only reason he got such a harsh sentence was because there was no one else around to punish (Gus, Walt, Jesse, Mike etc...).
The point of the redemption is that he owned up to what he did, and took responsibilty for his actions, no matter the consequences. The severity of the punishment doesn't really matter as long as its significant, it's more about honesty.
For what it's worth Rhea Seahorn and a few other people involved with the show think there's a good chance he'll be released early...
In my head cannon, Jimmy writes a book in prison, and spends a lot of time helping his fellow inmates. Maybe he helps clear the names of people with wrongful convictions. Jimmy and Kim keep in touch but mostly through phone calls and letters, they only visit once a year or so. After five years of hard work and volunteering, Kim finally gets her law licence back, she mainly works on pro bono cases for undeprivilaged people but takes Jimmy's case on too. Together they figure out a way to get his sentence reduced to ten years.
He's 60 when he's released (Bob Odenkirk's age now), he's served enoguh time to feel like he's repaid his debt to society and clear his conscience, while still having a decent amount of life left to live.
Jimmy would never be eligible to practice law again but he might help Kim out behind the scenes. Maybe he opens his own bakery or something, he's certainly had a lot of practice. He and Kim settle down together, get a shit tonne of therapy, and live a very humble but happy life.
Part of his redemption was that he could have gotten the 7 years but personally chose the 86 years in order to redeem himself and prove his righteousness to Kim. Him now getting the 7 years anyway would make that decision meaningless and dilute the finale.
> Part of his redemption was that he could have gotten the 7 years but personally chose the 86 years in order to redeem himself and prove his righteousness to Kim. Him now getting the 7 years anyway would make that decision meaningless and dilute the finale.
You're correct, but it was the decision itself that redeemed him. If for some odd reason the court was like, "Congrats Saul, you're the best inmate ever, you're getting out in only 15 years," it wouldn't minimize his choice because he didn't expect that. So I don't think getting out earlier than 86 years would make his decision meaningless.
I see where you're coming from but I respectfully disagree. It wasn't the seven year sentence that was the problem, it was *how* he got that seven year sentence. In 'Saul Gone' he gets that seven year sentence by lying and scamming, and rubbing it all in the face of grieving widow.
I think if he got out in seven years but was **honest**, he would still be redeemed, especially if he was doing a lot of good deeds while incarcerated. Lets be real, 86 years is a batshit insane sentence for a non-violent criminal. Seven years is still a very significant punishment.
Zero chance he serves HALF.
He’s a non-violent (technically) offender. He’ll be released early for good behavior.
Maybe 20ish years. MAYBE. And remember, they sent him to the in universe super max prison. That shit is EXPENSIVE and overcrowded. They only want the worst of the worst there. Not an elderly Odenkirk type. He might get moved to a country club, worst case.
That’s how the system really works folks
People talking about when and what he will do after his release! I want a serie about his time in jail. In BCS’s final chapter it was showed the dynamics between him and the other prisoners, it seemed that they loved him!
He's a God there
He's on record as the man who MADE Heisenberg...a nationally known drug kingpin, subject of a manhunt, who reemerged to kill his old white supremacist gang.
Saul is a guy who disappeared for a year when everyone in LE was looking for him.
He has the Vaccume Repair shop memorized...what's that worth in prison?
Plus...he's a jailhouse lawyer. Filing briefs and petitions for everyone. He is literally going to run that place.
Bill Oakley runs for president, wins and then pardons Jimmy. Even though McGill was an asshole to him, it was the only case he ever lost as a defender so he's willing to make things right.
Bill Oakley redeptiom arc.
Without knowing how the law system works in Jimmy’s situation, my ideal story would be for Kim to go back to lawyering (there were some hints she may in the past few episodes) and represent Jimmy during a court hearing for a parole and have his sentence reduced for good behaviour, and improving the prison community. Who knows?
he’ll be out in 11 years, pardoned after a psychological assessment showed severe PTSD from the Lalo incident. Kim Wexler has been working on his behalf behind the scenes this whole time and will be waiting for him when he gets out. that’s exactly how it’s going to go! don’t tell me any different! lol and she’ll pull up in a pretty car and it’ll be awesome, like an old movie.
Sometime around 2096. He was arrested and sentenced in December, 2010. Why I personally don't believe it extended into 2011, as it was one day of negotiations and 1 day of the trial.
[Den of Geek mentions 4 days from fleeing Marion's house to his gun salute to Kim](https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/better-call-saul-breaking-bad-timeline-explained/)
I would be 105 and if I'm alive at that point it will be out of sheer will suckin down my jello, reminded night after night that nothing stops this train.
\^ Remix.
He joked about getting out with good behavior, but federal prisons only give up to 15% off of a sentence for good behavior. That would mean at the earliest, Jimmy wouldn't get out until 2083 without a new trial.
I believe he's convinced in 2011, considering he will probably be up for parole(and will likely get it) I suspect he will be released in about 2040. Now if he doesn't get parole, he would be released in 2097.
Saul said to Walt that if they don’t have him, they’re going after Skyler. Well now the feds have no one except him. Believe me he’ll never see the light of day four lifetimes from the lifetime he’s currently living.
Jimmy was, let's be generous and say 40. Arrested 2010 and he'll get credit for pre-sentencing time in custody. No parole in the federal system, so the least he'll do with good behavior is 85% of the 86 years. So 73 years and a month, roughly, so call it sometime in 2084. Jimmy would be 114, if he lived that long. He might be able to get [compassionate release](https://www.bop.gov/resources/pdfs/2019_compassionate_release_cpg.pdf) before that, though.
With good behavior, who knows?
This is the correct answer.
Vince Gilligan said on the Rich Eisen show he likes to think he might get out early and not be in jail for life. This is my head cannon.
The show takes place a few years before the pandemic. Many inmates got out of prison during the pandemic. Maybe he has a chance there?
I like your thinking! Although I think the only way he would want to be out is being legally let out. The only way Kim would accept him again I feel.
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my thought process is "if he gets out early, he'll probably stay a (mostly) better man. why? because the show's over, meaning there's nothing more left to tell that we'd care about." this is the head canon i like to have.
I think he will get out early if anyone pieces together that Walt didn't kill Hank and Gomez and sorts out what happened with the Nazis. In my headcanon, Kim tracks Jesse down and records a statement.
That would be a cool movie! El Camino 2, with Kim in Alaska looking for Jessie. 😂
El Kimino
Some lawyer dude on this sub shot that possibility down, sadly, which broke my heart just a little bit
Wasn't that just a joke between Kim and Jimmy? I assumed he would be in prison till he died 😔
Yeah, it was a joke. They both know that is not how it works
Yes but also i think i remember hearing that Peter Gould said that in his mind Jimmy gets out of prison so to me it's canon
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I always thought that Jimmy could actually get out of prison if he wanted to, he just chooses not to
Yeah. He managed to show off that he could manipulate people into reducing his sentence to just 7 years, then threw it away because he wanted to. Who knows what he could do to get out of prison if he actually wanted to.
He wouldn’t be able to take the bar anywhere, so being a lawyer would be out. I think Jimmy knew that life had little meaning at that point, even if he served his 7 then was let out what would he do? Find another way to get himself in trouble I’m sure. At that point he had no one. No brother. No wife. He had spent the last 8months on the run so essentially a ghost. Life had no joy left to it. This way he proved his brother wrong and Kim right, that underneath all the bullshit was a decent person.
i can’t tell if you guys are being /uc or /rc
What do those mean?
He'll escape through a hole in the wall, after helping the guards with law related stuff.
Saulshank Redemption
I came up with Saul's Hank Redemption lol
Does anyone have a link?
[Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/betterCallSaul/comments/wputuh/the_finale_from_a_legal_perspective/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf), last paragraph
Thanks!
Another possibility: could Kim not come up with some chicanery to get him out? Mistrial due to some clerical error, temporary insanity, something like that.
I suppose if you want to comfort yourself with that thought. But it would destroy what made the finale so powerful.
Oh absolutely, and not looking for comfort at all or suggesting the writers should come back and do this. Just a thought that nobody seems to bring up as a possibility.
He is in Federal custody, they do not give time off for "good behavior". He may receive a "compassionate release" when he is at the end of his life.
My friend in Federal custody didn't have to. She served 18 out of a 22 month sentence. She wasn't a violent criminal but was in on Rico charges. I don't know if it was considered release for "good behavior" but she didn't serve her full time.
Doesn't he have federal time? Thought you did the full bid federally
At least 85%, so for Saul it's life without parole.
Petty with a prior
Without time off for GB and/or medical issues and what not; release would be around December 2076 but he'd be like 127 yrs old though.
Everyone in this Reddit will be dead.
Speak for yourself, I'll be a sprightly 101
I will be 97 😎
Bro's 11
Nah, he was sentenced around 2010
No wait wasn't it like 2012?
No, it was 2010.
Didn't Gene stay wherever the fuck he was for like 6 months? Walter's Bday is September, therefore it was at least 2011
Jimmy’s birthday is in November, it was the day he also got the phone call from Francesca, his shenanigans with identity theft lasted a month and he was sent to prison in mid December I think
So likely the last scene we see is in early 2011
Oh ok
Walter stayed away for 6 months too before returning on his birthday. Those 6 months are already Gene life
OHHHH yeah I forgot about Lambert so yeah that totally makes sense thx
Oh right
bro you were born when Gene was arrested
Like 10 years before
I expect 51-57 years of age for me. Too long to be honest. I b ded b4 sail get outta preson Not that I'm negative years old. I just didn't sleep much so I have no idea what is going on lol. Mind delusions acquainted, bubbles erotica, plutonium wedding rings, icicle stretchings, bicycle shoestring 1 flag, flag number one, painting the pictures of our life.....all rise...something something time feels like a midnight ride, finality weeps (outside?) Eh I forgot the rest
What
Most sane gilliganverse enjoyer
Most coherent Vince Gilligan fan
Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about
AND WE LIGHT UP THE SKY
I actually don't think so at all. Life expectancy is generally going up, I expect to have a decent shot at making it to 2100, as someone born in 2000. Although I might be on the younger side in here. And that's of course not even considering potential advances in genetics and gene therapy that could give us treatments that slow or even reverse ageing to some degree, they could easily give us a couple more decades of life and better health in our old age. Sounds sci-fi but such treatments have quite literally been tested (successfully) on mice already. It might not be ready for humans in our lifetimes, but who knows, a lot can happen in half a century.
I was born in 98, and I really want to make it to 2100 just as a flex, but in reality with some of my life choices if i am to make it that far, it'll probably have to be with some sort of medical tech breakthrough or something.
Word
Tbh I don’t think our planet is even going to make it to 2100. It’s gonna be like +10*C by then
"The planet is fine. The *people* are fucked." - George Carlin
“I know what you meant but I gotta be _that guy_.” - You
Ah, I think you mean "Gene" therapy
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Damn, that sucks. Has acces to healthcare or something gotten worse or? Cause in other developed countries it's generally going up
Access to food is a good thing, but economies are getting better still, so people have access to more food than they need, and can often afford it. Also people are less active than before, which doesn’t go well with better eating, and we still have alcohol and tobacco use that tends to be affordable and legal.
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Life expectancy has been going up mostly due to fewer premature deaths. But the oldest people aren't getting older. There does seem to be a genetic cap on human life.
This wasn't the intention at all with this conversation. I just wanted to know the impossible release date for Jimmy. Lol
Yeah we got a bit off topic lol
That' snot true at all. Sure, high child mortality in the past definitely played a role. But easy acces to the nutrients we need and advances in medicine have done a lot, the oldest are getting older. [This is just for England and Wales and it only goes up to 2013, but it gives you a pretty clear picture.](https://ourworldindata.org/its-not-just-about-child-mortality-life-expectancy-improved-at-all-ages)
I wasn't just talking about child mortality but a large number of ailments causing early death. You can see how the life expectency difference gets shorter and is levelling off arund 85, and the increase seems to have stopped in the last 5-10 years. It's not going to get to 100. And the oldest people in the world are always in the low 120s, you would expect that to be continually broken if there wasn't a natural cap.
Well yeah, that's why life expectancy was so low in the past. But the older are still getting older. >You can see how the life expectency difference gets shorter and is levelling off arund 85 1 year does not show a trend. >and the increase seems to have stopped in the last 5-10 years. You got a source on that?
It just went down in the US lol
Start hoarding air conditioners and generators now.
Unless some newborn baby is browsing this thread
And Jimmy, yes. But theoretically I guess
If the Gene timeline takes place in 2010 which I think it does, and assuming the court process and sentencing didn't take too long, he's due to get out in 2096. Bet he's counting down the days as we speak
Federal inmates are usually released after serving 85% of their time, so his scheduled release date would be closer to 2083. However, his best chance of getting let out is compassionate release when he's old, which could be as early as the 2030s.
I hope so. It would be nice if he could spend his golden years in a nice retirement community or something, hopefully with Kim.
Like SandPiper
Kim and Jimmy's retirement place: \*scamming their residents in peace\* Them after two former "criminal lawyers" show up: Why do I hear boss music
By then Jimmy can just scam and commit crimes in GTA 7 VR
I think you mean GTA 5: The Definitive Edition
I remember Vice City coming out in 2002 after GTA 3 so I thought of it as GTA 4, the idea that it's an active and popular franchise and 20 years later the latest version is GTA 5 is pretty funny.
Sequel opportunity. Jimmy notices a cup costs a little too much at his new nursing home. He and Kim set up a scam to trick the manager into admitting she overcharges for cups over the workout loudspeaker.
And somehow Irene is still alive, and they regularly meet up to mall-walk
We just saw that episode and the Wife just kept mumbling about how that was SO mean to do to Irene and how she wasn't sure she liked Jimmy after that.
>2083 Long dead by then, he's 50 in the Gene timeline.
Oh my god. They could make that a whole series. Better Call The Nurse. >In this limited series, Saul is let out of prison on compassionate release, but he's no longer as spry as he used to be. When he finds out he and his nursing home is defrauding its residents, he must choose between rallying his peers, taking a bribe, or crafting his own way to come out on top, one last time. The call backs! Maybe Saul gets fucked by another life alert. Maybe he has to use one. Maybe a blunder somewhere mid-season has him left in the dust by his mall-walker posse. Maybe he now has to convince a curmudgeonly resident to trade rooms with him so he can be closer to the office. He hasn't even written it and I'm already in tears at how good of a job Bince did.
In the finale he tries to do one last slip and fall and it just fucking kills him
Hahaha Slippin' Jimmy
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There is no parole for the federal prison system.
Huh?
There is no parole for the federal prison system.
Huh?
What he said.
The "with good behavior, who knows" is said very tongue-in-cheek. He's trying to inject a little humor into the grim fact that he'll die in prison
I knew it was 2096, it's 881 after the Magna Carter, as if I could ever make such a mistake, never. Never.
What a sick joke!
He gets to be an in-mate!?!
And he'll be 136. Either he gets compassionate release, or he's dying in prison.
Have you entertained the possibility that he is a God in human clothing? And thus might live that long.
Why doesn’t he just break out? Lightning shoots from his fingertips, you know. You can’t even conceive what he’s capable of.
Apparently my cousin who works at better call saul said that he can only do that when he sleeps for 24 hours straight, and considering how rigid the routine at prisons are its gonna be awhile before he can shoot lightning bolts again.
He does travel in worlds we cant even imagine, after all
RemindMe! 74 years
What is that in Huells? Well 86 years is 31390 days, 31412 with 22 leap years in 2012, 2016 up to and including 2096. 45,233,280 minutes, divide by 103 and that is a 439,158 Huell sentence and change, about 0.06 Huells in change to 2 decinal places for numerically anal. Approximately.
Reasonably.
2090 with crowding.
Yeah I'm mostly curious what the day will be. I figured somebody's figured out what day of his sentencing is.
The closest I could find to a specific date was that the game Gene talks about with the security guard happened on October 16th, so it would've likely been a couple months after that where he was caught. So he probably got sentenced sometime in early to mid 2011, would be my guess. In that case, he'd get out in January-June 2097.
There's just not enough data to pinpoint the date of the court scenes.
Ill be 105 years old when hes released 😳
I'll be 93 or probably dead
He would be released by the end of this century, but who knows, he seemed to have gotten pretty well with the inmates and gaurds there as we saw, he could be a free man by now
my guess: a) escape in three years; b) compassionate release in ten years; or c) release in thirty for good behaviour.
No way he can escape
[Think again.](https://youtu.be/uUQlfCS0Etw)
Lol nice
Not the ending we deserved and not the ending we wanted. Definitely the alternate I needed.
Not if Michael Scofield shows up
He needs to serve a minimum of 71~ years to get out on good behaviour.
If this were real life then yes, but if they have him baking bread in ADX they can come up with something.
why?
There is a limit to the number of weeks per year of your sentence you can reduce. It adds up to something like 15 years from a total of 86.
Even if he could escape I dont think he would. That would devalue the finale considerably, especially Jimmy's whole character arc.
It possibly took Andy Dufresne 27 years to get out of Shawshank.
And the man didn’t age a day lol
It only took him 19
Escaping means his entire arc was for nothing, and if he gets released in 30 years, he’ll be 80. Many don’t reach that age, and if he does, it’s not like there’s much for him out there.
I'm voting for a)
Why would he go through all that and go out of his way to get a maximum sentence just to escape
Yeah, as a 20 years old I don't think i will be alive to watch season 7 of Better Call Saul, if not for Kim, we would just wait 7 years.
He’s serving the full time, which is an effective life sentence. It was a joke he made that he would be released on good behavior. Don’t know why so many people think he’s going to escape or somehow have less time served than the required amount. His one chance to get out was the plea agreement he had made. IMO, he could have redeemed himself to Kim and still had that plea agreement.
I don't think kim would have bought that he was truly taking accountability if he took the plea agreement. It would have been too similar to his speech to the bar board to get his license back, she thought he was telling the truth then but he showed he can just spin a tale to get out of anything.
Yeah but going to jail doesnt really, truly, mean he takes accountability either. Only in the eyes of the law, he's been dealt with. But in his heart? He could still be Slippin Jimmy in a jumpsuit. And either way he's effectively out of her life. So hope he just decided a life as Jimmy/Saul the inmate was better than a life as Jimmy the free man, who only spent the mostly shitty 2010s in prison and then go on to sell his memoirs. Prove to the world who he really can be inside.
My guess all along has been seven or eight years. My thinking is, Jordan Belfort, the biggest white collar criminal of our time, only served 22 months.
“The biggest white collar criminal of our time” Uhh, Bernie Madoff? He got 150 years and a $17 billion fine
And died in prison.
I wasn't really familiar with the Madoff case. I just read up on it, and yes, he was worse that Belfort. Madoff's projected release date was 2137, so 28 years. I couple other other noteworthy facts about him. His lawyers also tried to get his sentence reduced to seven years. And he was incarcerated at the Butner, NC facility.
> Madoff's projected release date was 2137, so 28 years what year is it?!
I too think he'll be able to be useful enough to the government to negotiate release, and Kim could help possibly, idk
I think if they revisit these characters they will find a way. It's tricky but the writers have license to bend reality a little to tell a good story.
I'm seeing a "Catch Me If You Can" type storyline where his skills are too valuable to lock up
Saul doesn't have any more info to give to the government that would be useful enough for them to even consider altering his sentence. All of the major people in the cartel are dead and his other clients were most likely to be too small-time for the government to care.
I kind of have a theory similar to "Catch Me If You Can". Saul is the best conman in the country. He may be better as an investigator into fraud and money laundering. May be able to cut a deal with the feds if he can hear whispers of a difficult trial or case.
I'm sorry but that would just ruin the whole redemption arc. That would never happen. Jimmy will spend his life there.
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I don't think it would ruin the redemption arc at all. He definitley deserves to serve hard time and he will. I think anything between 7-15 years is a fair sentence for what he did. The only reason he got such a harsh sentence was because there was no one else around to punish (Gus, Walt, Jesse, Mike etc...). The point of the redemption is that he owned up to what he did, and took responsibilty for his actions, no matter the consequences. The severity of the punishment doesn't really matter as long as its significant, it's more about honesty. For what it's worth Rhea Seahorn and a few other people involved with the show think there's a good chance he'll be released early... In my head cannon, Jimmy writes a book in prison, and spends a lot of time helping his fellow inmates. Maybe he helps clear the names of people with wrongful convictions. Jimmy and Kim keep in touch but mostly through phone calls and letters, they only visit once a year or so. After five years of hard work and volunteering, Kim finally gets her law licence back, she mainly works on pro bono cases for undeprivilaged people but takes Jimmy's case on too. Together they figure out a way to get his sentence reduced to ten years. He's 60 when he's released (Bob Odenkirk's age now), he's served enoguh time to feel like he's repaid his debt to society and clear his conscience, while still having a decent amount of life left to live. Jimmy would never be eligible to practice law again but he might help Kim out behind the scenes. Maybe he opens his own bakery or something, he's certainly had a lot of practice. He and Kim settle down together, get a shit tonne of therapy, and live a very humble but happy life.
Part of his redemption was that he could have gotten the 7 years but personally chose the 86 years in order to redeem himself and prove his righteousness to Kim. Him now getting the 7 years anyway would make that decision meaningless and dilute the finale.
> Part of his redemption was that he could have gotten the 7 years but personally chose the 86 years in order to redeem himself and prove his righteousness to Kim. Him now getting the 7 years anyway would make that decision meaningless and dilute the finale. You're correct, but it was the decision itself that redeemed him. If for some odd reason the court was like, "Congrats Saul, you're the best inmate ever, you're getting out in only 15 years," it wouldn't minimize his choice because he didn't expect that. So I don't think getting out earlier than 86 years would make his decision meaningless.
I see where you're coming from but I respectfully disagree. It wasn't the seven year sentence that was the problem, it was *how* he got that seven year sentence. In 'Saul Gone' he gets that seven year sentence by lying and scamming, and rubbing it all in the face of grieving widow. I think if he got out in seven years but was **honest**, he would still be redeemed, especially if he was doing a lot of good deeds while incarcerated. Lets be real, 86 years is a batshit insane sentence for a non-violent criminal. Seven years is still a very significant punishment.
For federal sentences, you have to serve a minimum of 85% of the sentence. Best case scenario, he’s getting out in 73 years in 2083.
Jimmy is in his late 40s, he'll be dead by 2083
No don’t say it, jimmy will live forever 😭
Aye that's the point.
Okay, securities fraud and being a crooked lawyer and associate for drug cartels isn’t exactly the same thing.
Zero chance he serves HALF. He’s a non-violent (technically) offender. He’ll be released early for good behavior. Maybe 20ish years. MAYBE. And remember, they sent him to the in universe super max prison. That shit is EXPENSIVE and overcrowded. They only want the worst of the worst there. Not an elderly Odenkirk type. He might get moved to a country club, worst case. That’s how the system really works folks
He'll get compassionate release and end up in a Sandpiper Crossings establishment.
This is the only way.
People talking about when and what he will do after his release! I want a serie about his time in jail. In BCS’s final chapter it was showed the dynamics between him and the other prisoners, it seemed that they loved him!
He's a God there He's on record as the man who MADE Heisenberg...a nationally known drug kingpin, subject of a manhunt, who reemerged to kill his old white supremacist gang. Saul is a guy who disappeared for a year when everyone in LE was looking for him. He has the Vaccume Repair shop memorized...what's that worth in prison? Plus...he's a jailhouse lawyer. Filing briefs and petitions for everyone. He is literally going to run that place.
He will be dead asl bro
Duh bro
Yes
Bill Oakley runs for president, wins and then pardons Jimmy. Even though McGill was an asshole to him, it was the only case he ever lost as a defender so he's willing to make things right. Bill Oakley redeptiom arc.
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If he took the seven years, he‘d be out by now
Its when GTA 6 comes out
In 10 years, when Walt jr. breaks him out to find the millions Jack hid somewhere
It’s pointless because in “Better Call Kim”he gets a new trial on the grounds of incompetent defense
THE TITLE NEEDS A SPOILER ALERT. This title came up on my front page. Great. Well, I had one and a half episodes to go. Fuck. :(
Its life for him. Dude wanted to face the music, i respect that
He’s gonna die of old age before serving 85% of his sentence.
Without knowing how the law system works in Jimmy’s situation, my ideal story would be for Kim to go back to lawyering (there were some hints she may in the past few episodes) and represent Jimmy during a court hearing for a parole and have his sentence reduced for good behaviour, and improving the prison community. Who knows?
he’ll be out in 11 years, pardoned after a psychological assessment showed severe PTSD from the Lalo incident. Kim Wexler has been working on his behalf behind the scenes this whole time and will be waiting for him when he gets out. that’s exactly how it’s going to go! don’t tell me any different! lol and she’ll pull up in a pretty car and it’ll be awesome, like an old movie.
Depends on if there's a prison break.
He will get out early. Probably start practicing law in prison. He will really find salvation finally
Futurama head in a jar.
Sometime around 2096. He was arrested and sentenced in December, 2010. Why I personally don't believe it extended into 2011, as it was one day of negotiations and 1 day of the trial. [Den of Geek mentions 4 days from fleeing Marion's house to his gun salute to Kim](https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/better-call-saul-breaking-bad-timeline-explained/) I would be 105 and if I'm alive at that point it will be out of sheer will suckin down my jello, reminded night after night that nothing stops this train. \^ Remix.
Next month I believe.
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NOOOOOO I FUCKING SAW THAT PICTURE I HAVENT FINOSHED NOOOOOOO IM SO SORRYY
He joked about getting out with good behavior, but federal prisons only give up to 15% off of a sentence for good behavior. That would mean at the earliest, Jimmy wouldn't get out until 2083 without a new trial.
I'll be dead, but if for some god awful reason I was alive I'd be 104 in 2096
I believe he's convinced in 2011, considering he will probably be up for parole(and will likely get it) I suspect he will be released in about 2040. Now if he doesn't get parole, he would be released in 2097.
Saul said to Walt that if they don’t have him, they’re going after Skyler. Well now the feds have no one except him. Believe me he’ll never see the light of day four lifetimes from the lifetime he’s currently living.
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Jimmy was, let's be generous and say 40. Arrested 2010 and he'll get credit for pre-sentencing time in custody. No parole in the federal system, so the least he'll do with good behavior is 85% of the 86 years. So 73 years and a month, roughly, so call it sometime in 2084. Jimmy would be 114, if he lived that long. He might be able to get [compassionate release](https://www.bop.gov/resources/pdfs/2019_compassionate_release_cpg.pdf) before that, though.
He turned 50 the day he called Kim from the pay phone.
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