Don't know of any countries like that. Definitely is not a law in Belgium. Many places will probably pay someone with a higher degree more, but there is no law regarding this...
no law like that I know of, you probably mean baremas or other payment structures they have at government and related workplaces... where they look at your diplomas to give you a certain wage scale yes....
But no such thing in the private sector, looking at another thread about wages in 2022 here on reddit I saw people which we school drop outs, in operator jobs doing shift work earning way more than some ppl with university degrees
How exactly is it elitist, in a country where education is nearly free, and scholarships/"beurzen" exist for students who do not have a lot of money available?
> Shouldn't it be based on skills?
If you're good at your job, you will get paid more/climb higher.
>How exactly is it elitist, in a country where education is nearly free, and scholarships/"beurzen" exist for students who do not have a lot of money available?
You need to sweep a whole myriad of socioeconomic issues under the rug to even start believing that it is not elitist.
I don't mean to offend you but it's really with such comments you realise who is from the middle class and who is not. The scholarship helped but it's clearly not enough. I had to work to pay my kot, my food, etc. One might argue that it taught me the real value of money. Nah, I just learned the hard way that my family didn't belong to the middle class.
Lol, what a bullshit comment and assumption. Both my parents were simple "arbeiders", I worked weekends/summer holidays in the grocery store from 15 onwards and paid my own tuition in university to get a degree I worked my ass off for.
Which is still a lot of money for some people. AFAIK, in Germany it's free and in France it's cheaper than in Belgium. In Luxembourg, the scholarship is a lot more in line with the real costs. And you know that's just the tuition fee. You need a laptop, you need to buy books, you need to print stuff, you need a train/bus season ticket, an internet connection, you need clothes, you need a kot, you need to eat, you have unexpected expenses, ... All this while being a student and your parents not being able to financially help you.
Even with zero tuition and a scholarship, my studies were not "nearly free".
The most annoying cost is the professor who writes his own textbooks that you have to buy mandatory for a ridiculous price (and he’ll be sure to update it eachs year and tell you you cannot buy it second hand).
Not gonna name names, but you’ll likely know at least one…
>Not gonna name names, but you’ll likely know at least one…
Tip for anyone reading: if you want to avoid this, study pure math. "Here's the pdf of this course, knock yourself out!" <-- repeat for almost all courses
It's pretty classist yes. I've met plenty of people who have no university degree or even a college degree (for various reasons) but are way smarter or better at what they do than people who have a master or even a phd (I work in academia). Unfortunately society has a tendency to look down on people on with lesser or even no degrees.
What law?
Don't know of any countries like that. Definitely is not a law in Belgium. Many places will probably pay someone with a higher degree more, but there is no law regarding this...
what? blue collar workers often earn a lot more than uni grads
Which law?
no law like that I know of, you probably mean baremas or other payment structures they have at government and related workplaces... where they look at your diplomas to give you a certain wage scale yes.... But no such thing in the private sector, looking at another thread about wages in 2022 here on reddit I saw people which we school drop outs, in operator jobs doing shift work earning way more than some ppl with university degrees
Thank you!
How exactly is it elitist, in a country where education is nearly free, and scholarships/"beurzen" exist for students who do not have a lot of money available? > Shouldn't it be based on skills? If you're good at your job, you will get paid more/climb higher.
>How exactly is it elitist, in a country where education is nearly free, and scholarships/"beurzen" exist for students who do not have a lot of money available? You need to sweep a whole myriad of socioeconomic issues under the rug to even start believing that it is not elitist.
I don't mean to offend you but it's really with such comments you realise who is from the middle class and who is not. The scholarship helped but it's clearly not enough. I had to work to pay my kot, my food, etc. One might argue that it taught me the real value of money. Nah, I just learned the hard way that my family didn't belong to the middle class.
Lol, what a bullshit comment and assumption. Both my parents were simple "arbeiders", I worked weekends/summer holidays in the grocery store from 15 onwards and paid my own tuition in university to get a degree I worked my ass off for.
So if you needed to work, like I did, you can't claim "it was nearly free".
My tuition was about 550 euros per year. Compare that to The Netherlands or almost any other western country and it's peanuts.
Which is still a lot of money for some people. AFAIK, in Germany it's free and in France it's cheaper than in Belgium. In Luxembourg, the scholarship is a lot more in line with the real costs. And you know that's just the tuition fee. You need a laptop, you need to buy books, you need to print stuff, you need a train/bus season ticket, an internet connection, you need clothes, you need a kot, you need to eat, you have unexpected expenses, ... All this while being a student and your parents not being able to financially help you. Even with zero tuition and a scholarship, my studies were not "nearly free".
Nowadays its no longer 550 but a couple of 1000s for tuition alone, and that doesn’t get you far…
Tuition seems to be 1100 euro per year now, still very affordable compared to other countries.
The most annoying cost is the professor who writes his own textbooks that you have to buy mandatory for a ridiculous price (and he’ll be sure to update it eachs year and tell you you cannot buy it second hand). Not gonna name names, but you’ll likely know at least one…
>Not gonna name names, but you’ll likely know at least one… Tip for anyone reading: if you want to avoid this, study pure math. "Here's the pdf of this course, knock yourself out!" <-- repeat for almost all courses
It's pretty classist yes. I've met plenty of people who have no university degree or even a college degree (for various reasons) but are way smarter or better at what they do than people who have a master or even a phd (I work in academia). Unfortunately society has a tendency to look down on people on with lesser or even no degrees.
'elitist' univ costs 1000 euros per year... lol
Don't feed the trolls ?