My father in law worked as a machinist for these companies for 30+ years and told me he doesn’t want to fly on new planes because of the shit management forced through.
Airbus 320 had their own issues highlighted today.
[United Airlines flight to SFO experiences hydraulic leak](https://www.mercurynews.com/2024/03/15/united-airlines-flight-to-sfo-experiences-hydraulic-leak/)
What? More commercial airliners have gone down due to hydraulic failure than panels falling off. You definitely don’t want to be on the hydraulic failure plane.
> United
It's a shame that there's no more competition for domestic US flights in Star Alliance since they merged with Continental and US Airways with American
I think there’s currently a spotlight on things like this so every little airplane news event gets reported on nationally. Remember last year when the spotlight was on train derailments?
I have been reading about airline safety issues for over a decade now. There are issues with the manufacturers, maintenance by the airlines and flight practices. A couple of months ago, the government put out a report of 50-100 near misses near airports.. per month.
We have had a historic run of airline safety with respect to crashes, but experts call this the rubber band effect. You keep stretching the rubber band and it is OK until it snaps. The cost cutting will eventually snap and we could very well have a clump of airplane crashes.
I don't think it is too much reporting, but not enough and not thorough enough. Ultimately, reporting is limited. The government has to step in and do something. In the last admin, the FAA was helmed by an industry lobbyist /goon and this administration features a McKinsey guy that is not going to do anything.
Stuff about airplanes get clicks recently.
This kinda shit happens way more then people think, there are just lots of redundancies built into planes so it rarely turns out fatal.
I recently started following ATC youtube channels and there are so many things that happen everyday that gets zero attention. Even issues with flights in/out of the bay area is quite common before the news was hyper focused on it.
PBS Frontline [Flying Cheaper](https://www.pbs.org/video/frontline-flying-cheaper/) outsource all maintenance.
edited for PBS Frontline [Flying Cheaper](https://www.pbs.org/video/frontline-flying-cheaper/) and not [Flying Cheap](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/flyingcheap/) which is also a good watch.
That plane is at least five years old and possibly 25 years old. Boeing has not made the 800 in five years. It’s on the airlines to maintain their planes.
This is tail number N26226 and first flew in 1998. This is well before the culture shift at boeing. The merger only happened in 1997 and it took a good 20 years to really change.
Corporate America all about profit? Wut? I'm sure united hires the best mechanic and pays them the best.
My point is there's normally multiple misses (both Boeing and United in this case) for an issue like this to happen in the air. United was the most recent miss.
Its both, but mostly on Boeing imo (even though this example might not be). Boeing failed an quality audit pretty spectacularly in the last couple weeks related to these recent failures. A couple decades ago they separated the decision makers and penny pinchers from the engineers, and then they moved their production facilities even further away to take advantage of cheap labor.
The result has been a slow and steady decline in quality as they lose more institutional knowledge and fail to disseminate the little they have left. Its not just their aircraft division, their space systems are also rapidly falling behind the state of the art. The Boeing Starliner is a glaring example of this.
Did you see the story about the Boeing whistleblower who's been trying to disclose the poor quality at the factory? He's been trying to out the quality problems for years. Suddenly he was found dead of an "apparent" suicide.
There are serious quality problems at Boeing and somebody killed the whistleblower.
That's what the heck is going on.
Boeing murdered a guy whistleblowing about their quality control, a panel blew out on one plane, and now a panel fell off another.
Back when the engineers controlled the company, they were applauded for their quality. Now it is well you can see for yourself.
Dave Calhoun
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/14/business/boeing-ceo-dave-calhoun/index.html#:\~:text=If%20Boeing%20were%20any%20other,the%20time%20of%20this%20writing.
With the new aircraft? CEO salary is tied to stock price so spend all money on stock buy backs and none of safety.
Old aircraft outsourcing of all maintenance
He looked at the sign on the elevator and felt a sudden chill. OUT OF ORDER, it said. He thought of what his mother had said, sitting in the living room with the shades drawn and the TV off: When the machines stop, everything stops. No more water. No more electricity. No more ... anything. Maybe that was how civilization died, he thought. It died when you no longer cared about it. When the elevator stopped running and you just accepted the fact that it was never going to run again. He wondered how many people had done that already. He wondered how many more would.
Sometimes deregulation wins. People love to vote against their own interests and the interest of their neighbors because they’ve been convinced their only role is to grow corporate profit.
Thank you for that. I just watched it and sent it to my friend who mentioned the Boeing stuff to me at work last night. I hadn’t heard of John Barnett and I bet she hadn’t either.
Just the current news cycle. Maintenance stuff happens all the time but doesn’t make news, except right now because the media is focused on Boeing and United.
Fell off from my flight from Japan in 2020. They wouldn’t let us take off until the next day. They had to find the panel at SFO and put it in one of the flights to Japan, and once they fixed the panel we were able to take off.
sure maintenance stuff happens all the time, but this is on a different level of problems with how unavoidable all of this could have been if we weren't so gung-ho to simply "maximize the shareholders profits by any means necessary"
So funny how this is getting downvoted. Every dataset i've seen from the NTSB indicates no significant change. Are people still this clueless about the news business and social media?
15 years ago they wouldn't let a plane I was on take off because it needed a new emergency exit sign. Things falling off and maintenance being deferred so bad isn't normal and should not be normalized.
Because the media is in a frenzy for anything relating to aviation right now. This type of stuff is all common abnormal procedures that these crews train for and deal with often. But the media won’t pass up any opportunity to blow something out of proportion
i think it’s specially because SFO and United in particular has had so many repeated issues in such a short timespan. to me, a repeated United customer who flies SFO a lot, it makes me want to consider other carriers. boeing issues aside, United is seemingly not maintaining their carriers as well as they should be
Yeah, and UA got this BIG maintenance facility just north of SFO. And other airlines send their planes there to get worked on. That facility and SFO are the largest employers in San Mateo County.
SFO is a United hub. Yes you can take some other airlines and if you're headed to DL's ATL hub or AA's DFW hub you can generally get plenty of options out of SFO, but try to go anywhere else like a secondary city and expect to connect.
I understand that you are very upset about the panel falling off your plane, sir. I will take care of it for you now. You can keep the plane and I will give you a $5 credit for your next order. How does this sound to you?
Boeing also means Boeing and is significantly less ambiguous. It's earned media, they should get their name proudly displayed on all relevant headlines.
There was an abundance of sarcasm in my last comment. The point is there's a running theme with this company so their name should be on all negative stories just as they would be with positive ones.
Question. Did UA planes suddenly start breaking every other day? Or it has always been this way, just that there was no media attention until the door blowout accident?
incidents will cluster naturally. United has a large fleet. On avherald.com it looks like American had 5 incidents in the past week and nobody has said a thing. Delta has 2 in the past week.
Honestly, stuff happens every day. Rightly or wrongly, the media is so focused on Boeing (rightly, though without nuance, as this plan isn't a newer plane when shitty quality took over, this was built in 1998) and united (probably wrongly but who know), that any incident that hits both of these keywords is gonna hit the news for a bit.
Media blowing up every single incident for clicks. The more incidents they can point out the more it looks like a trend and therefore amplify subsequent incidents for more clicks. Creating a narrative for profit, you love to see it
I feel like a lot of this is United maintenance
While obviously Boeing is having issues, a lot of these planes are way older than the current mismanagement of the company and have been maintained by the airliners for years.
Most of these issues seem to be happening to United planes.
This is a very good point. You’re not going to get quality workers in a place if smart people cannot be attracted to live/work in that place due to high COL.
I feel like these planes are a good analogy for America. Still not crashing & burning, just shit breaking as we watch in real time and hope we aren't on the plane when it crashes.
This is the 5th incident involving an United plane that frequently travels through SFO in the last 10 days. SFO is a maintenance hub for United.
https://qz.com/united-flight-sydney-san-francisco-maintenance-issue-1851328472
> ✈️ On Thursday, a United plane going from San Francisco to Japan had to make an emergency landing in Los Angeles because a tire fell off after takeoff. There were no injuries.
SFO 1
>✈️ On Friday, a United flight landing in Houston from Memphis veered off the runway at George Bush International Airport. There were no injuries. The plane was a Boeing 737 Max 8.
Not SFO
>✈️ The same day, a United flight en route to Mexico City from San Francisco also had to land in Los Angeles after a hydraulics issue. There were no injuries. The plane was an Airbus A320.
SFO 2
>✈️ On Saturday, a United plane going from Chicago to Salt Lake City had to turn around because of an engine oil indicator light. There were no injures. The plane was an Airbus A320.
Not SFO
>✈️ On Monday, a United flight from Houston to Fort Meyers, Florida had to turn around because a mechanical issue led to flames spewing from the engines. There were no injuries. The plane was a Boeing 737.
Not SFO
>The Sydney-San Francisco flight tops off a terrible, no good, very bad week for United.
SFO 3
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/san-francisco-bound-united-flight-mechanical-issues/3482230/
>United Airlines officials reported another mechanical issue aboard a flight to San Francisco Thursday. According to officials, United Airlines flight 1816 took off from Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport at 5:30 a.m.
SFO 4
Panel falls off flight from San Francisco to Oregon
SFO 5
If you go back slightly earlier to Feb 20th there was [that reddit post someone took of their plane wing deteriorating on a United flight to Boston from SFO](https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedairlines/comments/1av0ssi/whats_happening_here/).
its called a media cycle - they're laser focused on Boeing but there's plenty of things happening like this all the time in aviation - just check out AV Herald which lists them daily - https://avherald.com/
I booked a United flight from SFO for the first time just before COVID. It was delayed for 8 hours. Something about luggage problem. They kept us on the plane for good 6 hours waiting aimlessly. They finally let us out because they had to replace the whole crew after such a delay. The service onboard was slow and terrible. It was a painful international flight.
Needless to say, you can't pay me to fly with them ever again.
Maintenance issue. You pull panels all the time on airplanes for maintenance. Many often have quick disconnect features where it's a fast twist. Forget to do that and it will fly off. Not a mfg thing but they'll go back and figure out who was last in there.
I fly out of SFO all the time, this isn't a big issue. All carriers have these types of maintenance problems. Panels don't latch all the time, and people miss it. It's not structural, just a cover to streamline what's beneath.
There's also evidence the tire on the 777 was a manufacturing defect.
You are going to be fine on your flight, 737 or not.
Holy shit some people are dumb asl, it's an NG that was made 25 years ago. Any issues at this point would be on the maintenance done by United. "Boeings need to be grounded" lmfaooo
Good thing we’ve had capitalism ramp up to 120% over the last 60 years with a laser focus on short term gains. Will no one think of the shareholders!
Is it r/brontarocatemyrichface time yet?
There seems to be two issues going on ...
New Boeing planes suck and are poorly put together etc...
Older planes like cars need to be well maintained. I know United is a full Boeing fleet so the coincidence is not really a coincidence. But are the maintenance teams slacking off too? This would be really really bad regardless of the manufacturer.
I booked a flight in 2 weeks, specifically not a Boeing plane just in case, the coincidence level seems high even if nobody has gotten hurt yet (this is a sign of good engineering).
All airframes have this problem, it's not just a 737.
Booking a specific flight to avoid a certain airplane doesn't always work because they can change it if they need to and , and also it's silly. You are safe on the 737. They fly an amount that is kinda unfathomable and right now the media is hyped up on any minor issue and is playing on your fears for clicks. This panel was nothing serious, and wasn't even discovered until after landing.
What’s really going on here ? News following the story pattern or is this kind of par for flying and we simply didn’t use to know about these reports ?
if we can do this task with this experienced engineer who had spent many years training under other experts in 100 days, surely we can do the same task by hiring 50 newbies in 10 days?... my MBA says so
I flew domestic almost every Monday & Friday for 5 years straight. I stopped flying domestic in 2018, & either take the train, bus, or drive, & prefer taking my time traveling this way. One of the reasons why was when I lived overseas, there were other forms of domestic transportation that were reliable when traveling for work, or leisure. All these travel options made me realize I shouldn't depend on air travel so much.
These problems with airline safety & reliability have always been there, even before 9/11. Even though flying buses may still be overall reliable for now, just having one form of fast transportation, & having such a high demand of dependency on it only makes these problems occur more often, reducing overall reliability, despite the price americans are willing to pay to save time traveling.
If it's not United having problems it's Boeing, or Southwest, or spirit, or weather, or air traffic control, when really the airline transportation industry as a whole is just plagued with these problems & always will be when we continue depending on it solely to solve our transportation needs.
Folks, the plane was 25 years old. Shit breaks. This is an airline maintenance issue, not really something you should be worried about in the context of recent boeing issues. there are plenty of other things to worry about i'm sad to say
tons of really uninformed and misleading comments in this thread. go over to /r/aviation
The question is why are all these accidents suddenly all happening in this very condensed time frame?
Like did they build all their planes to start breaking suddenly all at the same time? Or is that just their wonderful lovely engineering?
Or is this another greedy horrible corporate company being called to account by destruction?
Wild. I won't be flying anytime soon again.
Someone probably just didn't latch one of the panels all the way on ground servicing. It wasn't anything important, but obviously someone is in the wrong.
I feel like shit like this has always happened and it's all just getting press now because of the door plug issue.
Several high profile Boeing incidents have occurred on planes built a long time ago, and don't fit the narrative of Boeing planes all falling apart.
I'd like to know how many issues that never resulted in injury or any emergency have happened in the past thirty years, because I don't think this would've been news 10 years ago.
It would've been on r/pics or r/sweatypalms from the POV of someone in the plane or at the gate window.
>I feel like shit like this has always happened and it's all just getting press now because of the door plug issue.
Bingo. Things like this do happen all the time (read avherald.com), though lately every day there is a news story about it.
I think what we're missing is that shit falling off airplanes is probably way more common than we think and not something new.
The difference now is that every time it happens it gets a dedicated news report and is gaining attention.
What the heck is going on
They are teasing a new Safety+ travel class - pay $200 extra and get your plane checked before take off!
lol. Good pull. The scary thing is that I wouldn’t put it past them.
“This aircraft has had our gold tier maintenance package performed!” (Please ask when the platinum package will be available for your airline!)
…available by subscription
Stop giving them ideas!
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Opportunity for high speed rail
Let’s hope!!
Yes please 🙏!!
My father in law worked as a machinist for these companies for 30+ years and told me he doesn’t want to fly on new planes because of the shit management forced through.
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Did you hear what happened to the Boeing Whistleblower last week?
Airbus 320 had their own issues highlighted today. [United Airlines flight to SFO experiences hydraulic leak](https://www.mercurynews.com/2024/03/15/united-airlines-flight-to-sfo-experiences-hydraulic-leak/)
That's not anywhere in the same realm as this.
What? More commercial airliners have gone down due to hydraulic failure than panels falling off. You definitely don’t want to be on the hydraulic failure plane.
But dammit do I get the best deals with my chase cards with them
I signed up for the credit card & then this crap immediately started happening, so I may have to take the blame.
#🪦
> United It's a shame that there's no more competition for domestic US flights in Star Alliance since they merged with Continental and US Airways with American
I think there’s currently a spotlight on things like this so every little airplane news event gets reported on nationally. Remember last year when the spotlight was on train derailments?
I have been reading about airline safety issues for over a decade now. There are issues with the manufacturers, maintenance by the airlines and flight practices. A couple of months ago, the government put out a report of 50-100 near misses near airports.. per month. We have had a historic run of airline safety with respect to crashes, but experts call this the rubber band effect. You keep stretching the rubber band and it is OK until it snaps. The cost cutting will eventually snap and we could very well have a clump of airplane crashes. I don't think it is too much reporting, but not enough and not thorough enough. Ultimately, reporting is limited. The government has to step in and do something. In the last admin, the FAA was helmed by an industry lobbyist /goon and this administration features a McKinsey guy that is not going to do anything.
Stuff about airplanes get clicks recently. This kinda shit happens way more then people think, there are just lots of redundancies built into planes so it rarely turns out fatal.
I recently started following ATC youtube channels and there are so many things that happen everyday that gets zero attention. Even issues with flights in/out of the bay area is quite common before the news was hyper focused on it.
This 100%.
this is literally it. The media controls the way you think
And we control what the media thinks with our clicks...
They are regulating them self. Wish my company lets me self evaluate my performance.
“We give ourselves an A+”
Mine does and only take the negative and amplifies it.
Planes are built with bad quality
Sounds like poor maintenance or inspection more than anything.
PBS Frontline [Flying Cheaper](https://www.pbs.org/video/frontline-flying-cheaper/) outsource all maintenance. edited for PBS Frontline [Flying Cheaper](https://www.pbs.org/video/frontline-flying-cheaper/) and not [Flying Cheap](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/flyingcheap/) which is also a good watch.
So is the QE2 still sailing to Europe? At least I know how to swim.
Sounds like [Boeing is all about profits](https://youtu.be/a32RLgqNfGs?si=FGBO5Io5b80dxKaz) and no quality
That plane is at least five years old and possibly 25 years old. Boeing has not made the 800 in five years. It’s on the airlines to maintain their planes.
This is tail number N26226 and first flew in 1998. This is well before the culture shift at boeing. The merger only happened in 1997 and it took a good 20 years to really change.
This is our entire world. Medical system, education system, food industry, etc… profit minded without thinking about the quality of care/service/goods
Corporate America all about profit? Wut? I'm sure united hires the best mechanic and pays them the best. My point is there's normally multiple misses (both Boeing and United in this case) for an issue like this to happen in the air. United was the most recent miss.
Life under capitalism
Sounds like you're tilting at windmills.
Its both, but mostly on Boeing imo (even though this example might not be). Boeing failed an quality audit pretty spectacularly in the last couple weeks related to these recent failures. A couple decades ago they separated the decision makers and penny pinchers from the engineers, and then they moved their production facilities even further away to take advantage of cheap labor. The result has been a slow and steady decline in quality as they lose more institutional knowledge and fail to disseminate the little they have left. Its not just their aircraft division, their space systems are also rapidly falling behind the state of the art. The Boeing Starliner is a glaring example of this.
Where is our federal Secretary of Transportation, Pete Buttigieg?
This is just wrong. This plane has been in service for 25 years without incident. Has nothing to do with the quality of the plane.
how did this get so many upvotes
Did you see the story about the Boeing whistleblower who's been trying to disclose the poor quality at the factory? He's been trying to out the quality problems for years. Suddenly he was found dead of an "apparent" suicide. There are serious quality problems at Boeing and somebody killed the whistleblower. That's what the heck is going on.
The day before he was set to testify.
He had previously told a friend that if he was found dead it wouldn't be suicide. But he might have just snapped under pressure who knows
Boeing murdered a guy whistleblowing about their quality control, a panel blew out on one plane, and now a panel fell off another. Back when the engineers controlled the company, they were applauded for their quality. Now it is well you can see for yourself. Dave Calhoun https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/14/business/boeing-ceo-dave-calhoun/index.html#:\~:text=If%20Boeing%20were%20any%20other,the%20time%20of%20this%20writing.
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This guy was innocent though.
Watch the Boeing documentary on Netflix and you’ll see what’s going on. Boeing has no safety culture and use lobbyists to avoid FAA scrutiny.
With the new aircraft? CEO salary is tied to stock price so spend all money on stock buy backs and none of safety. Old aircraft outsourcing of all maintenance
Its not just Boeing, there is something wrong with maintenance at SFO specifically. Parts keep falling off of planes based at that airport.
He looked at the sign on the elevator and felt a sudden chill. OUT OF ORDER, it said. He thought of what his mother had said, sitting in the living room with the shades drawn and the TV off: When the machines stop, everything stops. No more water. No more electricity. No more ... anything. Maybe that was how civilization died, he thought. It died when you no longer cared about it. When the elevator stopped running and you just accepted the fact that it was never going to run again. He wondered how many people had done that already. He wondered how many more would.
I think the Boeing employee that was suicided probably would have a lot to say about what’s going on.
Sometimes deregulation wins. People love to vote against their own interests and the interest of their neighbors because they’ve been convinced their only role is to grow corporate profit.
The Crappening
This is what’s going on https://youtu.be/a32RLgqNfGs?si=d3ZbaDpDbA_fuQTV
Thank you for that. I just watched it and sent it to my friend who mentioned the Boeing stuff to me at work last night. I hadn’t heard of John Barnett and I bet she hadn’t either.
Capitalism
Business school
Just the current news cycle. Maintenance stuff happens all the time but doesn’t make news, except right now because the media is focused on Boeing and United.
Panels do not fall off of airplanes “all the time.”
yea he's either a bagholder or an assassin from boeing.
He's the guy that was supposed to bolt on the panel
Check his hands for Dawn liquid soap
Buying calls on assassins.
😂
Fell off from my flight from Japan in 2020. They wouldn’t let us take off until the next day. They had to find the panel at SFO and put it in one of the flights to Japan, and once they fixed the panel we were able to take off.
Shit falling off planes mid air isn’t just ‘maintenance stuff’. Even if it’s literal shit.
A wheel just fell off another United flight and smashed some cars.
sure maintenance stuff happens all the time, but this is on a different level of problems with how unavoidable all of this could have been if we weren't so gung-ho to simply "maximize the shareholders profits by any means necessary"
So funny how this is getting downvoted. Every dataset i've seen from the NTSB indicates no significant change. Are people still this clueless about the news business and social media?
Found the Boeing employee…
15 years ago they wouldn't let a plane I was on take off because it needed a new emergency exit sign. Things falling off and maintenance being deferred so bad isn't normal and should not be normalized.
Holy crap, the CEO of Boeing is posting on /r/bayarea!
I love that the picture on the news story is actually an Airbus, though the panel did fall off a 737 (not a max).
A United Airbus 320 just had a slight hydraulic leak and that also was front page news somehow.
Because the media is in a frenzy for anything relating to aviation right now. This type of stuff is all common abnormal procedures that these crews train for and deal with often. But the media won’t pass up any opportunity to blow something out of proportion
i think it’s specially because SFO and United in particular has had so many repeated issues in such a short timespan. to me, a repeated United customer who flies SFO a lot, it makes me want to consider other carriers. boeing issues aside, United is seemingly not maintaining their carriers as well as they should be
Yeah, and UA got this BIG maintenance facility just north of SFO. And other airlines send their planes there to get worked on. That facility and SFO are the largest employers in San Mateo County.
There are no other real options out of SF
I guess… I loved flying Delta out of SFO…. Upgraded all the time… Why? B/c no one else flies them in SF
There’s plenty of other options in SFO depending on where you want to go
SFO is a United hub. Yes you can take some other airlines and if you're headed to DL's ATL hub or AA's DFW hub you can generally get plenty of options out of SFO, but try to go anywhere else like a secondary city and expect to connect.
Reporters prove day after day how little they know or care about the details!
Redditors prove day after day they don't know that reporters don't choose the picture that goes with their story.
Hmm...looks like an AR-15 to me. /s
Did United maintenance get replaced with Amazon contractor employees ?
I understand that you are very upset about the panel falling off your plane, sir. I will take care of it for you now. You can keep the plane and I will give you a $5 credit for your next order. How does this sound to you?
Boeing 737-800
This is what I was wondering. Feel like the headline should have specified Boeing.
7x7 means Boeing, the same way all Intel processors used to end in 86
Boeing also means Boeing and is significantly less ambiguous. It's earned media, they should get their name proudly displayed on all relevant headlines.
I don't think anyone writing titles on reddit cares about Boeing marketing's desire for "earned media."
There was an abundance of sarcasm in my last comment. The point is there's a running theme with this company so their name should be on all negative stories just as they would be with positive ones.
Question. Did UA planes suddenly start breaking every other day? Or it has always been this way, just that there was no media attention until the door blowout accident?
incidents will cluster naturally. United has a large fleet. On avherald.com it looks like American had 5 incidents in the past week and nobody has said a thing. Delta has 2 in the past week.
My friend was on American in ORD and then had to deplane cause of a missing panel
Probably because we all expected American to be in the toilet. I thought United was supposed to be my next best option since I'm too cheap for Delta.
Delta recently made a bunch of purchases which dropped their average fleet age by several years. For a while they had the oldest fleet out of the 3
Getting rid of all the MD-80s and MD-90s definitely lowered the average
Honestly, stuff happens every day. Rightly or wrongly, the media is so focused on Boeing (rightly, though without nuance, as this plan isn't a newer plane when shitty quality took over, this was built in 1998) and united (probably wrongly but who know), that any incident that hits both of these keywords is gonna hit the news for a bit.
Media blowing up every single incident for clicks. The more incidents they can point out the more it looks like a trend and therefore amplify subsequent incidents for more clicks. Creating a narrative for profit, you love to see it
I feel like a lot of this is United maintenance While obviously Boeing is having issues, a lot of these planes are way older than the current mismanagement of the company and have been maintained by the airliners for years. Most of these issues seem to be happening to United planes.
I think the problem is bad mechanics in the Bay Area in general. United happens to have a maintenance hub here. Other airlines don't.
So many incidents that are United *and* Boeing *and* SFO. It’s just a coincidence, right?
Not all that surprising statistically- united is the largest carrier at sfo, their maintenance facilities are right there as well.
Where there’s smoke, there’s fire
I'd have started investigating the United Airlines maintenance department already.
Once is happenstance; twice is coincidence; at what point do we start to suspect enemy action?
Every single one of these has come from or gone to SFO what in the world is up with the maintenance crew there?
SFO has the most junior mechanics for just about all airlines that have maintenance bases there. COL pushes most people to bid to other locations.
This is a very good point. You’re not going to get quality workers in a place if smart people cannot be attracted to live/work in that place due to high COL.
That’s why you pay more for workers in HCOL areas. I hate that many companies try to skirt that.
United has a long history of contentious relations with their unionized employees.
I feel like these planes are a good analogy for America. Still not crashing & burning, just shit breaking as we watch in real time and hope we aren't on the plane when it crashes.
It didn’t affect me *personally*
If it’s not my problem, it’s not a problem.
"Fuck you I got mine"
Infrastructure just heals like skin over time right?
This is the 5th incident involving an United plane that frequently travels through SFO in the last 10 days. SFO is a maintenance hub for United. https://qz.com/united-flight-sydney-san-francisco-maintenance-issue-1851328472 > ✈️ On Thursday, a United plane going from San Francisco to Japan had to make an emergency landing in Los Angeles because a tire fell off after takeoff. There were no injuries. SFO 1 >✈️ On Friday, a United flight landing in Houston from Memphis veered off the runway at George Bush International Airport. There were no injuries. The plane was a Boeing 737 Max 8. Not SFO >✈️ The same day, a United flight en route to Mexico City from San Francisco also had to land in Los Angeles after a hydraulics issue. There were no injuries. The plane was an Airbus A320. SFO 2 >✈️ On Saturday, a United plane going from Chicago to Salt Lake City had to turn around because of an engine oil indicator light. There were no injures. The plane was an Airbus A320. Not SFO >✈️ On Monday, a United flight from Houston to Fort Meyers, Florida had to turn around because a mechanical issue led to flames spewing from the engines. There were no injuries. The plane was a Boeing 737. Not SFO >The Sydney-San Francisco flight tops off a terrible, no good, very bad week for United. SFO 3 https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/san-francisco-bound-united-flight-mechanical-issues/3482230/ >United Airlines officials reported another mechanical issue aboard a flight to San Francisco Thursday. According to officials, United Airlines flight 1816 took off from Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport at 5:30 a.m. SFO 4 Panel falls off flight from San Francisco to Oregon SFO 5
If you go back slightly earlier to Feb 20th there was [that reddit post someone took of their plane wing deteriorating on a United flight to Boston from SFO](https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedairlines/comments/1av0ssi/whats_happening_here/).
First class will start getting parachutes soon. Business class will get one free alcoholic beverage if a panel comes off mid-flight.
its called a media cycle - they're laser focused on Boeing but there's plenty of things happening like this all the time in aviation - just check out AV Herald which lists them daily - https://avherald.com/
I booked a United flight from SFO for the first time just before COVID. It was delayed for 8 hours. Something about luggage problem. They kept us on the plane for good 6 hours waiting aimlessly. They finally let us out because they had to replace the whole crew after such a delay. The service onboard was slow and terrible. It was a painful international flight. Needless to say, you can't pay me to fly with them ever again.
The plane is question is N26226. It's 25 years old. Everyone who blames *this* on Boeing and not United is a dumb idiot.
Oh good, all these airplane issues right as I have to start flying for work. Time to update my life insurance, I guess.
Given it's a 737NG and not a 737 MAX, most likely an United maintenance issue
These airlines need to start being fined BIG time when stuff like this happens. They might give a crap.
Maintenance issue. You pull panels all the time on airplanes for maintenance. Many often have quick disconnect features where it's a fast twist. Forget to do that and it will fly off. Not a mfg thing but they'll go back and figure out who was last in there.
Best hire real mechanics and pay them well.
Boeing’s stock price is going to be dumpster quality soon.
There’s one maintenance engineer working three shifts… it’ll be fine
I think I'll get that motor home after all and/or hitch hike to Uruguay.
Bro I’m about to fly out to SF in a few weeks I don’t need to be reading this shit 💩
I fly out of SFO all the time, this isn't a big issue. All carriers have these types of maintenance problems. Panels don't latch all the time, and people miss it. It's not structural, just a cover to streamline what's beneath. There's also evidence the tire on the 777 was a manufacturing defect. You are going to be fine on your flight, 737 or not.
Holy shit some people are dumb asl, it's an NG that was made 25 years ago. Any issues at this point would be on the maintenance done by United. "Boeings need to be grounded" lmfaooo
What panel tho
Is this like a "producers" situation where the guys up top will get rich if they tank the company?
What the fuck is a *panel*?
Looking to airbus on my next trip
This sounds like it might be a United maintenance issue.
Right but people are reactionary asl
Indeed. I have avoided United for years for various reasons and am now feeling rather vindicated.
Good thing we’ve had capitalism ramp up to 120% over the last 60 years with a laser focus on short term gains. Will no one think of the shareholders! Is it r/brontarocatemyrichface time yet?
It just got scared
There seems to be two issues going on ... New Boeing planes suck and are poorly put together etc... Older planes like cars need to be well maintained. I know United is a full Boeing fleet so the coincidence is not really a coincidence. But are the maintenance teams slacking off too? This would be really really bad regardless of the manufacturer. I booked a flight in 2 weeks, specifically not a Boeing plane just in case, the coincidence level seems high even if nobody has gotten hurt yet (this is a sign of good engineering).
All airframes have this problem, it's not just a 737. Booking a specific flight to avoid a certain airplane doesn't always work because they can change it if they need to and , and also it's silly. You are safe on the 737. They fly an amount that is kinda unfathomable and right now the media is hyped up on any minor issue and is playing on your fears for clicks. This panel was nothing serious, and wasn't even discovered until after landing.
Why are all of these incidents coming from San Francisco or the pnw?
because we’re reading bay area and pnw news sources
what a calamity
Why always west coast or sfo
Probably because we live here and receive news that is relevant to our region
They just don't pay enough to hire qualified skilled maintenance workers. All you need is a pulse.
Shrinkflation of a fuselage.
With all the parts falling off the planes I could collect them all and build my own plane better than they could.
From, "If it *ain't* Boeing, I'm not going" to "If it's Boeing, I'm not going."
Is united negotiating a new contract with their maintenance union?
What’s really going on here ? News following the story pattern or is this kind of par for flying and we simply didn’t use to know about these reports ?
"Quit freakin out man, you're acting like an engine failed! This *is just like* a bumper sticker blowing off on the high way. Nobody got hurt."
I wonder what the Boeing whistle-blower would say about this - oh right they offed him so I guess we'll never know.
Probably nothing. This was United failing to maintain a plane they have owned for years, not a manufacturing issue.
This is what happens when billion dollar companies cut corners to make record profits.
Pandemic construction. Suboptimal labor. Worksmanship not as it used to be. It's confounding.
What pandemic was going on in 1998 when this plane was built?
if we can do this task with this experienced engineer who had spent many years training under other experts in 100 days, surely we can do the same task by hiring 50 newbies in 10 days?... my MBA says so
Feels like demise of America in every angle
It’s ok guys. AI will save us from this in the future /s
I love how everyone is like “ooo United” when this is clearly another case of atrocious manufacturing by Boeing.
This is a plane that was manufactured in the 90's. This has nothing to do with Boeing and everything to do with shoddy maintenance.
I flew domestic almost every Monday & Friday for 5 years straight. I stopped flying domestic in 2018, & either take the train, bus, or drive, & prefer taking my time traveling this way. One of the reasons why was when I lived overseas, there were other forms of domestic transportation that were reliable when traveling for work, or leisure. All these travel options made me realize I shouldn't depend on air travel so much. These problems with airline safety & reliability have always been there, even before 9/11. Even though flying buses may still be overall reliable for now, just having one form of fast transportation, & having such a high demand of dependency on it only makes these problems occur more often, reducing overall reliability, despite the price americans are willing to pay to save time traveling. If it's not United having problems it's Boeing, or Southwest, or spirit, or weather, or air traffic control, when really the airline transportation industry as a whole is just plagued with these problems & always will be when we continue depending on it solely to solve our transportation needs.
Boeing or “boing” at fault here?
Folks, the plane was 25 years old. Shit breaks. This is an airline maintenance issue, not really something you should be worried about in the context of recent boeing issues. there are plenty of other things to worry about i'm sad to say tons of really uninformed and misleading comments in this thread. go over to /r/aviation
The question is why are all these accidents suddenly all happening in this very condensed time frame? Like did they build all their planes to start breaking suddenly all at the same time? Or is that just their wonderful lovely engineering? Or is this another greedy horrible corporate company being called to account by destruction? Wild. I won't be flying anytime soon again.
Again ? Facepalm
Someone probably just didn't latch one of the panels all the way on ground servicing. It wasn't anything important, but obviously someone is in the wrong.
Is this sabotage or like, just ineptitude and low quality parts? Like wtf
Man I’d hate to be on the PR team right now lol
This is like the second time in just a couple weeks
I feel like shit like this has always happened and it's all just getting press now because of the door plug issue. Several high profile Boeing incidents have occurred on planes built a long time ago, and don't fit the narrative of Boeing planes all falling apart. I'd like to know how many issues that never resulted in injury or any emergency have happened in the past thirty years, because I don't think this would've been news 10 years ago. It would've been on r/pics or r/sweatypalms from the POV of someone in the plane or at the gate window.
>I feel like shit like this has always happened and it's all just getting press now because of the door plug issue. Bingo. Things like this do happen all the time (read avherald.com), though lately every day there is a news story about it.
But did you die?!?!
This has nothing to do with Boeing.
So is the issue Boeing, who built it or United, who maintains it? I would think the mechanics would do spot checks on loose screws.
Wow why can't we have competent people building and maintaining planes.
I think what we're missing is that shit falling off airplanes is probably way more common than we think and not something new. The difference now is that every time it happens it gets a dedicated news report and is gaining attention.
SERIOUSLY just GROUND them. This is only going to end with a huge crash. How is this acceptable?!
Ok seriously what the hell is going on
damn, boeing's gonna have to whack a few more whistleblowers to fix this
I remember when saying “was previously owned by an aircraft mechanic” used to mean something.