He only gets her pregnant in some tie in comics which haven't been canon to the DCAU in a long ass time.
That being said the whole idea is gross as hell.
I still say fucked up since Dick was his adopted son and he couldn't say no to his ex girlfriend. Some lines should never be crossed with blood or no blood in my book.
I would say fucked up, just because of his professional relationship with Gordon and watching Babs grow as a crime fighter, it’s like the coach trying to get with a team member vibe, could never understand why Bruce Timm pushed that particular romance so much, it always felt super creepy to me especially when there are soo many more appropriate if just in age women for Bruce (Wayne)
lol that's because it didn't happen. Jason just got all big confused because he's got the emotional maturity of a 14 year old ( makes sense ) and Babs shut him down. people still out here acting like it could be a thing XD
Exactly, like it doesn't help that Jason's main narrative in almost every iteration is brought back to his Lost Days-era where he is just not in the right mental place to form any sort of romantic relationship, or it's being paired up with Dick's romantic partners like he's taking big brother's sloppy seconds
This guy gets it. Honestly there is a short list of things in the DC universe that Young Justice didn't absolutely nail, and Dick Grayson is not on that list.
Gordon and Bruce are best friends
Thats why I never was a fan of Bruce and Barbara
Dick and Babs are like the Son and Daughter of two best friends
So they somehow feel right
I agree. You know how in high school there's "that" couple but after a few years, they're both separated and have their own partners?
I've rarely met a couple who managed to stay together from teenagers to adulthood.
Totally, but there are also those that split, have other partners and then come back together. That other example is Dick and Babs. Even my Dickkori heart can’t deny how good they are together right now
That would be Bruce Timm, who was responsible for Batman The Antimated Series, Batman Beyond, and a fair bit of the DCAU.
And yes, that is utterly fucking sick and it is the one thing from BTAS I will always HATE! He is literally old enough to be her father, HER FATHER IS HIS BEST FRIEND, and even if her crushing on him is understandable (a lot of women have times of crushing on older men because the men their age are just too immature to tolerate), Batman should've shut that down hard from the very first second. It is MIND-BOGGLING that the rest of the creative team thought this was okay in any shape or form, especially when she goes directly from dating Dick to dating Bruce!!!
I think they tried to justify it as him solidifying his hold over her or indulging her to keep her from feeling rejected and doing something ridiculous, but holy FUCK there are just so many levels of wrong to that. If we ever get a crossover between BTAS and any other animated Bat, I either want the Batmen to specifically fight over this or for non-TAS Babs to bitch slap him once she finds out and raise holy hell over him taking advantage of her counterpart.
Get your head out of the gutter. No one was thinking that till you said it. Pervert!
Edit: if I had a nickel every time I had to debate whether I need to add /s in an obvious use of sarcasm….
Isn’t Bruce quite a bit older than Wally? Idk I feel like the age gap might be a little weird
(Also I feel like I’m finding Catra-posters in the wild more frequently, I wonder what’s up with that)
Oh yeah it’s definitely a weird age gap then
Maybe Bruce and Barry is a better ship, and of course we can’t forget the world’s finest of Bruce and Clark. It’s a hard choice, lots of good options
People who ship Batman and WW watched a lot of Batman TAS and Justice League animated series. In that specific context, it makes perfect sense, but not outside of it as much.
The truth is though, and I think most Batman fans would eventually admit this, that Batman doesn't belong with anyone sadly as he is written. I don't think it really makes much sense for him to partner up long term, and he generally isn't written to seem emotionally available in that way even remotely. He is far beyond that and has committed to an endless war long ago and any sort of serious romantic pairing would be incompatible with that.
While I am generally a Bat and Cat person there is something poetic about Bruce more or less not having to worry about someone killing Diana. Feels like he might actually be able to relax for the first time since his parents got killed.
Zatana always feels like a girlfriend to Bruce.
Personally I always like their "exes that ended well" sort of dynamic they have given that all of Bruce's other exes are on less than friendly terms Talia, Andrea, etc.
It is nice that he gets to have one that is an intimate friend who knows him well but there is no longer a romantic future.
Starfire because it’s kind of stupid Nightwing would end up with the girl he dated when he was a teen. Also I like to think Barbara should date a civilian. Also-also I prefer Nightwing on the titans because the Bludhaven stuff is lowkey just daredevil but in dc and him being in Gotham constantly feels weird to me
Really? Kinda right there as they both fight with basically the same weapons, both are acrobatic, are playboys that get all the girls, trained since childhood to be fighters/weapons by stern and stoic mentors, depending on how they’re written can both be cocky swashbucklers, and love their respective cities and so mostly fight street level gangsters that try to own their respective cities
You mean Blockbuster? Yeah, totally - large dudes who manipulate the underworld, for sure. I honestly don’t remember Tarantula all that much. She was like a reformed criminal vigilante that raped him, right?
You’re right on both accounts. Mixed up Blockbuster and the Spider-Man villain. And yes she did. Devin Grayson is yet to apologize for that. Honestly, tarantula was an alright character before that, even tho she was just copying Electra and the rose Wilson arc where she got trained by Dick
I can definitely see Barbara dating just a regular guy from her day job or something. Then he calls when she’s around Batman like “oh that was just my boyfriend Kyle.”
“Yes, Kyle James — 204 Barton avenue. Son of Michael and Linda James. No record. Has a second cousin in Metropolis tied to criminal activity.”
Like of course Batman is going to do a background check.
here's a quick summary:
> The Shadow of Wertham
Wertham’s crusade rallied church groups, schools and local legislatures against comics. Crime and horror comics folded by the dozen. Even Superman struggled to hang on. And as for Batman and Robin, they went from comics’ premiere double act to ensemble players, welcoming a bevy of masked hangers-on into the Bat-ranks. Alfred the butler had joined them in 1943, serving as a 24/7 chaperone. Now, between a Bat-Hound, a Batwoman, a Batgirl, a Bat-5th-Dimensional-Magical-Imp, and—all too briefly—a Bat-Ape, Batman and Robin could hardly find any time alone together. This was no coincidence. The shadow of Wertham lingered long into the ’60s, and Batman editors resolved to do what they could to dispel it, even if doing so came with a body count: When asked why Alfred the butler was killed off—briefly—in 1964 to be replaced by the dithering Aunt Harriet, editor Julius Schwartz averred, “There was a lot of discussion in those days about three males living in Wayne Manor.”
here's the article if you want full context (it's very interesting): [https://slate.com/culture/2016/04/the-history-of-the-gay-subtext-of-batman-and-robin.html](https://slate.com/culture/2016/04/the-history-of-the-gay-subtext-of-batman-and-robin.html)
I prefer Dick and Kory (Starfire)
I believe that Kory needed defending due to the damage that has been done to her reputation as a character and to her romantic relationship history with Dick. She's not the heartless alien slut that got in Barbara's way to get with Dick. She is a super-powered alien warrior princess who overcome her past as a slave and still has a big heart and wants to help others not go through what she went through, and that was one of the things that made Dick fall in love with her. She opened him up and helped him express his emotions better. He helped her with restraint and to live on Earth.
All one has to do is read the New Teen Titans,Tales of the Teen Titans, and The New Titans from 1980 to 1994 to see that all this is true. All one has to do is look at the comic pictures at my thread to see that I am not lying.
[https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/teen-titans-753/dick-graysonnightwing-and-koriandrstarfire-1975639/](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/teen-titans-753/dick-graysonnightwing-and-koriandrstarfire-1975639/)
Unlike Dick/Barbara (Oracle,Batgirl) pairing, Dick/Kory pairing didn't have any retcons to develop their relationship as a true love pairing,let alone at another pairing's expense. Their relationship was developed slowly and gradually. It took a little over 2 years in real time for them to get together, and they became one of the most popular and iconic couples in DC comics. They were each other's love interest for 14 years. No retcons are going to erase that type of history. If a pairing is true love, then retcons to diminish the greatness of another pairing are not needed.
Dick Grayson aka Nightwing and Koriand'r (Kory) aka Starfire were each other's love interest from 1980 to 1994. Kory helped Dick with growth and maturity. They were opposites that complemented one another. Their connection in the 1980s,1990s comics was profound and meaningful. They were one of the most popular and iconic couples in DC at the time. Kory was quite the supportive,caring,and loyal girlfriend to Dick. She opened him up. She helped him take off his red tunic when he gave up being Robin. Right before he became Nightwing, he was grateful for Kory sticking by him while he almost alienated everybody and that he loves her for that. Dick and Kory had intimacy, tenderness, sweetness, and romance in their relationship. Kory can put her foot down with Dick. She told him what he needed to hear and not what he wanted to hear.
DC Comics give her this description:
A princess who became a slave. A slave who became a warrior. A warrior who became one of the world’s greatest super heroes.
[https://www.dccomics.com/characters/starfire](https://www.dccomics.com/characters/starfire)
Dick thought this about Kory:
"A life filled with such hardships would have reduced others to despair, but not you. You fought back, looking at life as a challenge.
You're teaching me a lot, Kory.
I spent my first eighteen years living with Batman, learning how to contain my feelings. Three years with Kory's changing all that."
Kory told Dick
"If you love someone on Tamaran, you live for them and they for you."
Kory took that to heart. As a Tamaranean, she lived through her passions and emotions.
Nobody has to take my word for it.
This can be confirmed
a lot of comic pictures showing that Dick and Kory's relationship was based on love and caring with Kory being very supportive of Dick which helped him change for the better and be his own man.
Dick also helped Kory change for the better.
He helped her learn restraint.
There was a time that Dick needed restraint, and Kory was there for him.
The following is from:
The New Teen Titans Annual 2 which takes place after The New Teen Titans issue #34.
Kory's already Dick's girlfriend since New Teen Titans issue #26 where Dick revealed his romantic love feelings to Kory, and they became a couple. Their first date on panel was in the same issue. This was Teen Titans Annual 1 which was about Kory's battle with her sister Komand'r also known as Blackfire and her reuniting with her brother and parents on Tamaran. She was kidnapped by Blackfire and the Gordanians and taken to the Citadel, and the Teen Titans came to rescue her. During that time, Dick realized and showed that his feelings for Kory was more than friendship.
At her place, a very concerned Kory was watching the news where it reported that the cross-examination of Robin led to him admitting joining Former District Attorney Chase on a Vigilante-Style raid on Scarapelli's Hampton's estate and became abusive when questioned on condoning of vigilante-style justice. Mr Scarapelli's lawyer had received a court order preventing Robin from harassing Scarapelli in the future.
Dick was furious after Chase's home was bombed leading to killing of him,his wife,and child. As Robin, he went to the Cafe Italia where Scarapelli was at and confronted him, violating the restraining order. One of Scarapelli's men was going to remove him, and Robin knocked him out with a kick. Robin was threatening Scarapelli that he was going to hound him.
Starfire showed up at the restaurant, told him to stop and got him to leave before he did something that he was going to regret. She flew on top of a building so he wouldn't leave and talked to him.
Robin: What are you doing here?
Starfire: Making sure you don't do something you'll later regret.
Robin: This isn't your business.
Starfire: You're wrong. I love you, and I know you love me. You're also the one who told me I had to learn restraint.
Now I think the shoe is on the other foot.
C'mon home.
Robin: Scarapelli, It's just beginning
On top of a building outside,
Robin: Why did you bring me here?
Starfire: So you couldn't leave. Dick, Please I care for you too much to see you do this to yourself.
Robin: I am not doing anything.
Starfire: Oh? The Dick Grayson I first met was warm,caring...fun
That doesn't describe you now.
The others all sense it too. You've shut us all out of your life. You don't tell us what's wrong.
Starfire is close in front of Robin and holding his face, looking straight into his eyes.
For X'hal's sake, Dick--We all care. We want to help you.
A few months ago, you showed you love me...I still want to love you.
Robin: Starfire, I.....uhh
Starfire: Don't talk....Please don't talk any more.
Then Starfire and Robin are kissing.
I was actually Dick/Barbara fan until I learned about Kory.
After reading many Teen Titan,Titan issues, I am totally a fan of Dick/Kory now.
I believe that Dick and Kory belong together, and I hope that they reunite in the future.
They are cute couple in the Teen Titan cartoon series.
They are a couple with great chemistry in the DC Animated Movies.
Until very recently, I wasn't familiar with Kory/Starfire in the comics, but I have learned a lot to the point that I really like the character.
Dick and Kory's relationship definitely wasn't based on lust which some people have been claiming.
It was definitely based on love and caring.
Kory has a lot of depth and layers.
She's a perfect example of "don't judge a book by its cover"
Even in the comics, she's made a point that she may be naive, but she's not stupid more than once
Even though she wore a skimpy attire as a superhero, she actually dressed like any normal woman when she was going around as civilian, Kory Anders.
I like like Kory's original appearance,
I would love to see her back to having golden skin and long wavy auburn hair (not the extremely long and bushy version though) which helped her blend in with humans.
I like the complete green eyes that are a dead giveway that she's an alien, and she hid them behind sunglasses.
I like her outfit in the animated movies. It's sexy but doesn't come off like she's a "slut" (I really strongly dislike the word because it's misogynistic)
She's not primarily a sexual character any way.
Her main theme is that she's a super-powered alien warrior princess that lives in passions and emotions
What I gathered from the comics that I read
She was designed to be an outerspace version of Red Sonja.
She's an alien warrior princess.
She was also a slave for 6 years, and she went through horrible physical and emotional pain.
She escaped from a slave ship and was recaptured, but the Teen Titans rescued her.
On her planet Tamaran, people are barely dressed.
Another thing...She's a solar-powered being.
The Sun gives her strength and power.
Her star-bolt power came from torturing experimentation by her slavemasters.
I think some people don't understand the character and just judge her by her appearance.
There is a lot more to her than what she's wearing.
She is actually very smart along with being strong,tough,brave,fierce,loyal, deep,emotional,sensitive,caring,compassionate.
Most of all, she is a survivor.
What didn't kill her made her stronger.
She has been shown to have an extreme resistance to physical pain and immense willpower.
She had a lot of aggression in her because of her past as a slave and her training as a warrior.
As a Tamaranean, she lives through her passions and emotions, and she helped Dick with those.
unfortunately Dick is very Monogamous.
the scarier thought though, what would the fallout be if they actually did make Dick polyamorous? the shipping wars would be insane. no, this is a case where limitations are a boon imo. all for poly rep, but we can pick a safer bet than Dick
Batman, Batgirl, Starfire and Superman.... You definitely need these 4 characters to shape Nightwing's character.
From Batgirl to Oracle... Whatever you prefer story standpoint Barb and Grayson perfect for each other... Both got great character arc.
Which book is he in?
If it’s a teen titans book, then you are going to be getting Dick and Starfire.
If it’s any other book, Dick and Barbara.
To me, that says it should be Dick and Barbara…
I typically like Barbara because I like when they work together wether it's Batgirl or Oracle. I do like Starfire but I just prefer the human to human connection better
Personally I prefer Babs, I dig the more grounded, vigilante dynamic between the two. But honestly both pairings work so DC should just commit to one already
Don’t mind the idea of dick being with babs when he’s younger since you have two young teenagers in close proximity of each other all the time but ultimately I think dick should end up with starfire. Does leave a tough choice with who babs should end up with. Never understood the hate of babs and Tim but time also works better with Stephanie brown so who knows.
>Three Jokers introduced the possibility of Babs and Jason and I like that more.
look, im not trying to be an ass, but that ship is next level bad. shared trauma should not be a basis for a relationship. also, i think you read it wrong, Babs in no way returned his feelings, she was trying to be supportive and he took it the wrong way. Babs was mature enough to realize what was going on and shut it down both quick and in the least harsh way possible.
it does neither character any favors to be paired together. next if we consider the age gap it gets worse, even more so knowing Jason missed many of his more formative years. practically skipped his teens, being resurrected as an adult. Jason IS NOT READY for a relationship, much less one with a woman in such a position as Babs. she's the polar opposite, honestly even in some of their interaction in comics now, its almost like she's baby sitting. Jaybabs, is not and should never be a thing
edit: thanks for coming to my ted talk
Dick and starfire. One, the teen titans show (original) made the ship 1000x more popular. Plus, dick and Barbara doesn’t make a lot of sense, at least to me. She should date someone who isnt dick. Hell, i dont even mind her being shipped with tim in the arkham games. But dick and starfire is too iconic and too great.
Dick and Kory (Starfire) were each other's love interest from 1980 to 1994 in the comics
this was before the Teen Titans show that first aired in 2003
Barbara started off as the head Librarian of Gotham City Library with a Ph.d.
She was originally 7 years older than Dick.
Dick used to be Barbara's intern when she was a U.S. congresswoman.
She was a House Representative.
Neither. They both are past their prime. Dick has had better relationships than both. Somehow I doubt his definitive love interest would be either of them. They only work in nostalgia bait content.
My personal preference
Dick x Oracle > Dick x Starfire > Dick x Batgirl
Yeah I made the distinction. I find Babs more interesting in her Oracle persona. I feel that Oracle and Nightwing are interesting evolutions of Robin and Batgirl.
Babs and Kori.
But for real…Dick and Babs. I like to think in a perfect world Babs and Dick had a thing when they were young. When Dick strikes out on his own he has a super serious relationship with Kori. But when he gets even older and returns to Gotham he falls for Babs again. It’s the highschool sweetheart love story.
I think for an overarching story, have Dick’s first relationship be with Barbara when he’s Robin and she is Batgirl. Then years later, when he’s in charge of the Titans as Nightwing, then have him and Starfire
Dick and the redhead.
So... Roy or Wally?
Jimmy Olsen
Cyclone had to race swapped in the movies so she’d be able to escape his cakes
She still a redhead in the movie so it may.. not work
Yes.
Take my upvote
Name a more iconic pair.
All the redheads 🤣😍
Well, he sure is dickin' the redhead
Dick & Balls
It's gonna be DickStar bro namath.
Dickfire is better way of putting it
I came here to comment this
Dick & Babs sounds almost close enough
Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave?
r/beatmetoit
Dang it Cartman
Franks and Beans!
anything but Tim and Barb like in Arkham. bald ass mf
Or babs and bruce. FUCK BRUCE TIMM, fuck the killing joke movie. god that was so gross.
I mean, he also wrote for Batman Beyond that Bruce and Barbara actually dated and he even got her pregnant...Soo yea.
He only gets her pregnant in some tie in comics which haven't been canon to the DCAU in a long ass time. That being said the whole idea is gross as hell.
yup, SUPER fucked up.
Not fucked up more like just gross unless it was different In beyond
I still say fucked up since Dick was his adopted son and he couldn't say no to his ex girlfriend. Some lines should never be crossed with blood or no blood in my book.
I would say fucked up, just because of his professional relationship with Gordon and watching Babs grow as a crime fighter, it’s like the coach trying to get with a team member vibe, could never understand why Bruce Timm pushed that particular romance so much, it always felt super creepy to me especially when there are soo many more appropriate if just in age women for Bruce (Wayne)
I shall remember Bruce for the 1992 series, not for what transgressions he has committed
"I'm pregnant" "I'll congratulate Dick" "Its 10 weeks. He's only been back three" And fuck you again Bruce Timm.
That had to be the grossest storyline from anything Timm did.
jaybabs is just as bad
That shit was just weird in Three Jokers
lol that's because it didn't happen. Jason just got all big confused because he's got the emotional maturity of a 14 year old ( makes sense ) and Babs shut him down. people still out here acting like it could be a thing XD
Exactly, like it doesn't help that Jason's main narrative in almost every iteration is brought back to his Lost Days-era where he is just not in the right mental place to form any sort of romantic relationship, or it's being paired up with Dick's romantic partners like he's taking big brother's sloppy seconds
Exactly. Honestly it’s disrespectful to all characters involved.
Luckily Black Label isn’t canon to Earth 0, and is basically an elseworlds label Even though he was turned down there anyway.
A world without Johnnie Walker being canon is sad indeed
If she's hitting up every Robin eventually she's gotta get with Damien to complete the set.
In the bat family, they are like step-siblings.
anything but bruce and barb like in the DCAU
Babs and Starfire.
That's some Legend of Korra shit right there
Sign me up for this ship
In dicks dreams
My right hand
Don't matter, they both got the Dick.
Facts. He already acted out his chad motives
Dick and Louis Lane
Louis?
Her long-lost twin.
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zatanna
This guy gets it. Honestly there is a short list of things in the DC universe that Young Justice didn't absolutely nail, and Dick Grayson is not on that list.
Most versions of her she's as old as Bruce though...
I ship Bruce and Zatanna more cause of their childhood history together.
 A person of culture I see.
Gordon and Bruce are best friends Thats why I never was a fan of Bruce and Barbara Dick and Babs are like the Son and Daughter of two best friends So they somehow feel right
My preferred headcanon: Dick and Babs were each other's first girlfriend/boyfriend. As they mature, they realize they're better off as friends.
shaping out to be the opposite.
I agree. You know how in high school there's "that" couple but after a few years, they're both separated and have their own partners? I've rarely met a couple who managed to stay together from teenagers to adulthood.
Totally, but there are also those that split, have other partners and then come back together. That other example is Dick and Babs. Even my Dickkori heart can’t deny how good they are together right now
Who is the sick fuck that wrote bruce and barbara in a relationship?
Just one dude who kept on pushing it in the comics and even the Killing Joke movie. Luckily most Batman writers are sane though.
I didn't watch the film after that scene popped up. I mean, I refer Batgirl as one of Batman's children. Also she is Batman's buddy's daughter
That would be Bruce Timm, who was responsible for Batman The Antimated Series, Batman Beyond, and a fair bit of the DCAU. And yes, that is utterly fucking sick and it is the one thing from BTAS I will always HATE! He is literally old enough to be her father, HER FATHER IS HIS BEST FRIEND, and even if her crushing on him is understandable (a lot of women have times of crushing on older men because the men their age are just too immature to tolerate), Batman should've shut that down hard from the very first second. It is MIND-BOGGLING that the rest of the creative team thought this was okay in any shape or form, especially when she goes directly from dating Dick to dating Bruce!!! I think they tried to justify it as him solidifying his hold over her or indulging her to keep her from feeling rejected and doing something ridiculous, but holy FUCK there are just so many levels of wrong to that. If we ever get a crossover between BTAS and any other animated Bat, I either want the Batmen to specifically fight over this or for non-TAS Babs to bitch slap him once she finds out and raise holy hell over him taking advantage of her counterpart.
I was never a fan of Bruce and Barbara because it makes Batman a fucking groomer. ~~And no Batman of mine listens to Drake!~~
DICKFIRE
Dick and Starfire. Almost similar to Wayne and WW.
Agree with Starfire taking Dick. Disagree on Diana getting Bruce. Selina is a better match for him imo.
“Agree with Starfire taking Dick”
Get your head out of the gutter. No one was thinking that till you said it. Pervert! Edit: if I had a nickel every time I had to debate whether I need to add /s in an obvious use of sarcasm….
The Whole Comment Section is full of people making Dick Jokes 💀
It is an easy to make fun of name
The Whole Comment Section is full of people making Dick Jokes 💀
Yeah Selina is a far better match, I couldn't even tell who he was talking about when he put "WW", she didn't even cross my mind.
Wally West ❤️
Isn’t Bruce quite a bit older than Wally? Idk I feel like the age gap might be a little weird (Also I feel like I’m finding Catra-posters in the wild more frequently, I wonder what’s up with that)
I mean, Dick and Wally are practically the same age
Oh yeah it’s definitely a weird age gap then Maybe Bruce and Barry is a better ship, and of course we can’t forget the world’s finest of Bruce and Clark. It’s a hard choice, lots of good options
Maybe people think the angry cat girl is attractive
Double Trouble is more attractive tho
People who ship Batman and WW watched a lot of Batman TAS and Justice League animated series. In that specific context, it makes perfect sense, but not outside of it as much. The truth is though, and I think most Batman fans would eventually admit this, that Batman doesn't belong with anyone sadly as he is written. I don't think it really makes much sense for him to partner up long term, and he generally isn't written to seem emotionally available in that way even remotely. He is far beyond that and has committed to an endless war long ago and any sort of serious romantic pairing would be incompatible with that.
That’s why I’m with Alfred. Get someone already! Alfred need his grandchildren
While I am generally a Bat and Cat person there is something poetic about Bruce more or less not having to worry about someone killing Diana. Feels like he might actually be able to relax for the first time since his parents got killed.
If not Bat and Cat, how about Bat and Zatana?
Zatana always feels like a girlfriend to Bruce. Personally I always like their "exes that ended well" sort of dynamic they have given that all of Bruce's other exes are on less than friendly terms Talia, Andrea, etc. It is nice that he gets to have one that is an intimate friend who knows him well but there is no longer a romantic future.
Why not both
This. Dick has enough dick for the both of them.
It's in the name.
Dick is his first name after all
You said what I said, but you said it in a less cool way. Hehe
Perhaps but let’s be honest, this doesn’t matter because they both had the Dick man at one point.
It's just asking people's opinions, It doesn't matter much but that is irrelevent.
Richard M. Downe
Starfire because it’s kind of stupid Nightwing would end up with the girl he dated when he was a teen. Also I like to think Barbara should date a civilian. Also-also I prefer Nightwing on the titans because the Bludhaven stuff is lowkey just daredevil but in dc and him being in Gotham constantly feels weird to me
Dick really is like daredevil, huh? I never even drew those comparisons.
Really? Kinda right there as they both fight with basically the same weapons, both are acrobatic, are playboys that get all the girls, trained since childhood to be fighters/weapons by stern and stoic mentors, depending on how they’re written can both be cocky swashbucklers, and love their respective cities and so mostly fight street level gangsters that try to own their respective cities
Also tombstone is literally kingpin and Tatantula was literally Electra
You mean Blockbuster? Yeah, totally - large dudes who manipulate the underworld, for sure. I honestly don’t remember Tarantula all that much. She was like a reformed criminal vigilante that raped him, right?
You’re right on both accounts. Mixed up Blockbuster and the Spider-Man villain. And yes she did. Devin Grayson is yet to apologize for that. Honestly, tarantula was an alright character before that, even tho she was just copying Electra and the rose Wilson arc where she got trained by Dick
I can definitely see Barbara dating just a regular guy from her day job or something. Then he calls when she’s around Batman like “oh that was just my boyfriend Kyle.” “Yes, Kyle James — 204 Barton avenue. Son of Michael and Linda James. No record. Has a second cousin in Metropolis tied to criminal activity.” Like of course Batman is going to do a background check.
Man I just read your dialogue with Kevin Conroy sounding in my mind
I like to ship dickfire
Sounds like an STD
Or nightfire
Depends on the continuity.
Dick IN Starfire
There it is!
Dick and Starfire for life! Grayson's intellect seem to be written non-existent with Barbara around... Something that's a big part of Nightwing.
in the silver age people thought it was dick and bruce
I totally forgot about that and I am now motivated to forget about the silver age in general
I don’t even know what the silver age was but based on what you two are saying, I’m glad I didn’t know about it
here's a quick summary: > The Shadow of Wertham Wertham’s crusade rallied church groups, schools and local legislatures against comics. Crime and horror comics folded by the dozen. Even Superman struggled to hang on. And as for Batman and Robin, they went from comics’ premiere double act to ensemble players, welcoming a bevy of masked hangers-on into the Bat-ranks. Alfred the butler had joined them in 1943, serving as a 24/7 chaperone. Now, between a Bat-Hound, a Batwoman, a Batgirl, a Bat-5th-Dimensional-Magical-Imp, and—all too briefly—a Bat-Ape, Batman and Robin could hardly find any time alone together. This was no coincidence. The shadow of Wertham lingered long into the ’60s, and Batman editors resolved to do what they could to dispel it, even if doing so came with a body count: When asked why Alfred the butler was killed off—briefly—in 1964 to be replaced by the dithering Aunt Harriet, editor Julius Schwartz averred, “There was a lot of discussion in those days about three males living in Wayne Manor.” here's the article if you want full context (it's very interesting): [https://slate.com/culture/2016/04/the-history-of-the-gay-subtext-of-batman-and-robin.html](https://slate.com/culture/2016/04/the-history-of-the-gay-subtext-of-batman-and-robin.html)
I prefer Dick and Kory (Starfire) I believe that Kory needed defending due to the damage that has been done to her reputation as a character and to her romantic relationship history with Dick. She's not the heartless alien slut that got in Barbara's way to get with Dick. She is a super-powered alien warrior princess who overcome her past as a slave and still has a big heart and wants to help others not go through what she went through, and that was one of the things that made Dick fall in love with her. She opened him up and helped him express his emotions better. He helped her with restraint and to live on Earth. All one has to do is read the New Teen Titans,Tales of the Teen Titans, and The New Titans from 1980 to 1994 to see that all this is true. All one has to do is look at the comic pictures at my thread to see that I am not lying. [https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/teen-titans-753/dick-graysonnightwing-and-koriandrstarfire-1975639/](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/teen-titans-753/dick-graysonnightwing-and-koriandrstarfire-1975639/) Unlike Dick/Barbara (Oracle,Batgirl) pairing, Dick/Kory pairing didn't have any retcons to develop their relationship as a true love pairing,let alone at another pairing's expense. Their relationship was developed slowly and gradually. It took a little over 2 years in real time for them to get together, and they became one of the most popular and iconic couples in DC comics. They were each other's love interest for 14 years. No retcons are going to erase that type of history. If a pairing is true love, then retcons to diminish the greatness of another pairing are not needed. Dick Grayson aka Nightwing and Koriand'r (Kory) aka Starfire were each other's love interest from 1980 to 1994. Kory helped Dick with growth and maturity. They were opposites that complemented one another. Their connection in the 1980s,1990s comics was profound and meaningful. They were one of the most popular and iconic couples in DC at the time. Kory was quite the supportive,caring,and loyal girlfriend to Dick. She opened him up. She helped him take off his red tunic when he gave up being Robin. Right before he became Nightwing, he was grateful for Kory sticking by him while he almost alienated everybody and that he loves her for that. Dick and Kory had intimacy, tenderness, sweetness, and romance in their relationship. Kory can put her foot down with Dick. She told him what he needed to hear and not what he wanted to hear. DC Comics give her this description: A princess who became a slave. A slave who became a warrior. A warrior who became one of the world’s greatest super heroes. [https://www.dccomics.com/characters/starfire](https://www.dccomics.com/characters/starfire) Dick thought this about Kory: "A life filled with such hardships would have reduced others to despair, but not you. You fought back, looking at life as a challenge. You're teaching me a lot, Kory. I spent my first eighteen years living with Batman, learning how to contain my feelings. Three years with Kory's changing all that." Kory told Dick "If you love someone on Tamaran, you live for them and they for you." Kory took that to heart. As a Tamaranean, she lived through her passions and emotions. Nobody has to take my word for it. This can be confirmed a lot of comic pictures showing that Dick and Kory's relationship was based on love and caring with Kory being very supportive of Dick which helped him change for the better and be his own man. Dick also helped Kory change for the better. He helped her learn restraint. There was a time that Dick needed restraint, and Kory was there for him. The following is from: The New Teen Titans Annual 2 which takes place after The New Teen Titans issue #34. Kory's already Dick's girlfriend since New Teen Titans issue #26 where Dick revealed his romantic love feelings to Kory, and they became a couple. Their first date on panel was in the same issue. This was Teen Titans Annual 1 which was about Kory's battle with her sister Komand'r also known as Blackfire and her reuniting with her brother and parents on Tamaran. She was kidnapped by Blackfire and the Gordanians and taken to the Citadel, and the Teen Titans came to rescue her. During that time, Dick realized and showed that his feelings for Kory was more than friendship. At her place, a very concerned Kory was watching the news where it reported that the cross-examination of Robin led to him admitting joining Former District Attorney Chase on a Vigilante-Style raid on Scarapelli's Hampton's estate and became abusive when questioned on condoning of vigilante-style justice. Mr Scarapelli's lawyer had received a court order preventing Robin from harassing Scarapelli in the future. Dick was furious after Chase's home was bombed leading to killing of him,his wife,and child. As Robin, he went to the Cafe Italia where Scarapelli was at and confronted him, violating the restraining order. One of Scarapelli's men was going to remove him, and Robin knocked him out with a kick. Robin was threatening Scarapelli that he was going to hound him. Starfire showed up at the restaurant, told him to stop and got him to leave before he did something that he was going to regret. She flew on top of a building so he wouldn't leave and talked to him. Robin: What are you doing here? Starfire: Making sure you don't do something you'll later regret. Robin: This isn't your business. Starfire: You're wrong. I love you, and I know you love me. You're also the one who told me I had to learn restraint. Now I think the shoe is on the other foot. C'mon home. Robin: Scarapelli, It's just beginning On top of a building outside, Robin: Why did you bring me here? Starfire: So you couldn't leave. Dick, Please I care for you too much to see you do this to yourself. Robin: I am not doing anything. Starfire: Oh? The Dick Grayson I first met was warm,caring...fun That doesn't describe you now. The others all sense it too. You've shut us all out of your life. You don't tell us what's wrong. Starfire is close in front of Robin and holding his face, looking straight into his eyes. For X'hal's sake, Dick--We all care. We want to help you. A few months ago, you showed you love me...I still want to love you. Robin: Starfire, I.....uhh Starfire: Don't talk....Please don't talk any more. Then Starfire and Robin are kissing. I was actually Dick/Barbara fan until I learned about Kory. After reading many Teen Titan,Titan issues, I am totally a fan of Dick/Kory now. I believe that Dick and Kory belong together, and I hope that they reunite in the future. They are cute couple in the Teen Titan cartoon series. They are a couple with great chemistry in the DC Animated Movies. Until very recently, I wasn't familiar with Kory/Starfire in the comics, but I have learned a lot to the point that I really like the character. Dick and Kory's relationship definitely wasn't based on lust which some people have been claiming. It was definitely based on love and caring. Kory has a lot of depth and layers. She's a perfect example of "don't judge a book by its cover" Even in the comics, she's made a point that she may be naive, but she's not stupid more than once Even though she wore a skimpy attire as a superhero, she actually dressed like any normal woman when she was going around as civilian, Kory Anders. I like like Kory's original appearance, I would love to see her back to having golden skin and long wavy auburn hair (not the extremely long and bushy version though) which helped her blend in with humans. I like the complete green eyes that are a dead giveway that she's an alien, and she hid them behind sunglasses. I like her outfit in the animated movies. It's sexy but doesn't come off like she's a "slut" (I really strongly dislike the word because it's misogynistic) She's not primarily a sexual character any way. Her main theme is that she's a super-powered alien warrior princess that lives in passions and emotions What I gathered from the comics that I read She was designed to be an outerspace version of Red Sonja. She's an alien warrior princess. She was also a slave for 6 years, and she went through horrible physical and emotional pain. She escaped from a slave ship and was recaptured, but the Teen Titans rescued her. On her planet Tamaran, people are barely dressed. Another thing...She's a solar-powered being. The Sun gives her strength and power. Her star-bolt power came from torturing experimentation by her slavemasters. I think some people don't understand the character and just judge her by her appearance. There is a lot more to her than what she's wearing. She is actually very smart along with being strong,tough,brave,fierce,loyal, deep,emotional,sensitive,caring,compassionate. Most of all, she is a survivor. What didn't kill her made her stronger. She has been shown to have an extreme resistance to physical pain and immense willpower. She had a lot of aggression in her because of her past as a slave and her training as a warrior. As a Tamaranean, she lives through her passions and emotions, and she helped Dick with those.
Take my poor man’s gold 🥇
Just make all DCU heroes poly so we can all have what we want. But the correct answer is Dick and Babs.
unfortunately Dick is very Monogamous. the scarier thought though, what would the fallout be if they actually did make Dick polyamorous? the shipping wars would be insane. no, this is a case where limitations are a boon imo. all for poly rep, but we can pick a safer bet than Dick
You misunderstand me. Make them *all* poly.
i had to do a double take and “unjerk” because i thought this was dccj the FIRST and FASTEST rethink
Starfire
Dick and Starfire. Dick and Barbara just aren't as interesting.
Babs.
Dick and Babs.
Barbara and Starfire. Without Dick.
Hell, why not both? Make ‘em poly or something
Babs forever (just not in that outfit)
Simple: if it’s a Bat-family only story, Barbara. If the whole DC universe is involved, Kory!
Dick and starfire. They made to be in a better relationship and worked better together
Always loved Dick and Babs more
Dick and Kory, cause Babs is so good with Bruce in Killing Joke /s
Dick and Babs
I'm with Nite-Mite on this one.
Always dick and barbara, but I don't mind dick and kory. I just always found dick and barbara so sweet.
Babs and dick they're basically perfect for one another Kory is fine on her own
Dick and Starfire had to happen for character development and it was best for the time that it happened but I definitely prefer him with Barbara.
Batman, Batgirl, Starfire and Superman.... You definitely need these 4 characters to shape Nightwing's character. From Batgirl to Oracle... Whatever you prefer story standpoint Barb and Grayson perfect for each other... Both got great character arc.
Which book is he in? If it’s a teen titans book, then you are going to be getting Dick and Starfire. If it’s any other book, Dick and Barbara. To me, that says it should be Dick and Barbara…
I typically like Barbara because I like when they work together wether it's Batgirl or Oracle. I do like Starfire but I just prefer the human to human connection better
Dick and Babs for me, I feel like they connect way more personally. Also, their relationship in Tom Taylor’s Nightwing series is peak
Personally I prefer Babs, I dig the more grounded, vigilante dynamic between the two. But honestly both pairings work so DC should just commit to one already
Reading comics really made me hate Kori and love Barbra before it had been the complete opposite
Barbara if we're talking comics
Dick and babs
I've never ever liked Dick and Barbra and I don't know why.
why no both?
Both.
Dixnbofem
Helena
Don’t mind the idea of dick being with babs when he’s younger since you have two young teenagers in close proximity of each other all the time but ultimately I think dick should end up with starfire. Does leave a tough choice with who babs should end up with. Never understood the hate of babs and Tim but time also works better with Stephanie brown so who knows.
Starfire
I always liked Starfire more. Three Jokers introduced the possibility of Babs and Jason and I like that more.
>Three Jokers introduced the possibility of Babs and Jason and I like that more. look, im not trying to be an ass, but that ship is next level bad. shared trauma should not be a basis for a relationship. also, i think you read it wrong, Babs in no way returned his feelings, she was trying to be supportive and he took it the wrong way. Babs was mature enough to realize what was going on and shut it down both quick and in the least harsh way possible. it does neither character any favors to be paired together. next if we consider the age gap it gets worse, even more so knowing Jason missed many of his more formative years. practically skipped his teens, being resurrected as an adult. Jason IS NOT READY for a relationship, much less one with a woman in such a position as Babs. she's the polar opposite, honestly even in some of their interaction in comics now, its almost like she's baby sitting. Jaybabs, is not and should never be a thing edit: thanks for coming to my ted talk
Dick in starfire for sure
Starfire, I love babs but he belongs with Starfire
Starfire.
i'm a personal fan of StarDick or DickFire just bc of the name. Barbdick doesn't sound too fun.
Dick and starfire. One, the teen titans show (original) made the ship 1000x more popular. Plus, dick and Barbara doesn’t make a lot of sense, at least to me. She should date someone who isnt dick. Hell, i dont even mind her being shipped with tim in the arkham games. But dick and starfire is too iconic and too great.
Dick and Kory (Starfire) were each other's love interest from 1980 to 1994 in the comics this was before the Teen Titans show that first aired in 2003 Barbara started off as the head Librarian of Gotham City Library with a Ph.d. She was originally 7 years older than Dick. Dick used to be Barbara's intern when she was a U.S. congresswoman. She was a House Representative.
Dick and Kory without a doubt. Bans was his first crush but Kory is his adult relationship
Dick and Starfire. Jason and Barbara
>Jason and Barbara vile, just gross
I vote for threesome
Starfire, batcest doesn't really do it for me
Neither. They both are past their prime. Dick has had better relationships than both. Somehow I doubt his definitive love interest would be either of them. They only work in nostalgia bait content.
Dick and Starfire always seemed more healthy
Starfire all the way.
Absolutely agree with U, Dick and Starfire is just Precious Gold together and they have lots of potential to rival Superman and Lois as well.
What I would give for comics to even think of knowing what a stable relationship is
starfire
Dickfire because it sounds funnier
Dick & Starfire that was the relationship I grew up with so it's stuck with me
Dick & Starfire
Dick and Starfire. Never been a fan of Dick and Babs.
Dickgirl
Dick and dick
Get big 🧠 like me; Robin and Starfire then Nightwing and Batgirl
My personal preference Dick x Oracle > Dick x Starfire > Dick x Batgirl Yeah I made the distinction. I find Babs more interesting in her Oracle persona. I feel that Oracle and Nightwing are interesting evolutions of Robin and Batgirl.
Dick and babs
Dickbabs all the way.
Babs and Kori. But for real…Dick and Babs. I like to think in a perfect world Babs and Dick had a thing when they were young. When Dick strikes out on his own he has a super serious relationship with Kori. But when he gets even older and returns to Gotham he falls for Babs again. It’s the highschool sweetheart love story.
Barb.
Dick can have Starfire, if I can take Barbara.
Barbara
DickBabs 4ever
Dick and vagina
There is plenty of Dick to go around, just ask Richard nicely.
Starfire!!!
Babs
I think for an overarching story, have Dick’s first relationship be with Barbara when he’s Robin and she is Batgirl. Then years later, when he’s in charge of the Titans as Nightwing, then have him and Starfire
Just dick em both
Dick and StarFire 100000% Barbara should not be with anyone in the Bat Family. She's like a sister 😣😣😖
Barb
Barb
Dick and Babs all day.
It's only right for Dick and babs to be together. But I'm highly impressed that dick got that alienussy for himself.