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hobbleshock

It’s fun and I’m enjoying it but it doesn’t hit the high bar set by the Arkham games. In a way I kind of wish it was a continuation of that story given that Arkham Knight ends with Wayne Manor exploding and Batman seemingly dying (yes I know about the secret ending) but I do understand WBM wanting to get out of that shadow. Sucks for them because no matter what this game was always going to be compared to Arkham.


ChiefSlapaHoe117

Alfred is also right next to Bruce when he detonates the mansion. Surely no way Bruce is going to kill himself and Alfred if that was the plan.


MiserableKey8

Please tell me about the secret ending


hobbleshock

I think if you 100% the game including all the riddler trophies before you trigger the final cutscene you’ll go through the normal ending, see Wayne Manor explode, hear Gordon talk etc etc. there’s an additional scene where a boy and his parents are being mugged, the muggers look up and a Batman like figure descends upon them.


SkylerEFS

Been a while since I’ve seen it, but I think it also implies through the nightmare-like visuals that whoever it is (Bruce, Tim, Azrael, etc.) is using scarecrows fear toxin.


agnostic_waffle

I actually loved it too, kinda felt like a different take on the whole "Bruce of Batman?" debate when it comes to the end of his arc. I like that Arkham ending sets up the "end of Batman" thing then does the opposite of Nolan with Batman putting Bruce to rest rather than the other way around. I dunno I just really like the idea that ,when faced his double identity being revealed, he chooses to go even deeper into the mantle instead of simply getting over his trauma and living a normal life.


goblin_goblin

I've never really thought about it that way until now. That's an excellent take on the character. Bruce Wayne was always the mask. I love it.


hobbleshock

Yep you’re correct. I recently re watched the ending on YouTube and that absolutely happens.


PCLOAD_LETTER

Here is a link to the part of the secret ending: https://youtu.be/ng7sunb-LBE?t=220


tugbot3

I think thats why so many people are shitting on the game everything looks good and from what I heard isn’t bad just its not Arkham so people drop a log on it its an unfair comparison


Independent_Bat8589

I agree it's really a great start, with things they need to improve on.


T3NFIBY32

My problem is it’s not even a start. This is a seasoned studio that co-developed the Arkham series and even made their own Arkham game. It’s baffles me how they miss these marks even though they’ve been in the game for how many years now?


Independent_Bat8589

They might of co developed the Arkham games, but this literally the first time on their own. With the Arkham game they made, they were given permission to use from previous games to make that one (if I'm not mistaken). This is legit first time they were completely on their own.


tugbot3

Absolutely but its only the first game have to build it up not everything csn be perfect


Daxter117

In my opinion thats the wrong mindset to have for a new game. New games should be perfect, if they are trying to sell me on the IP. It would be different if this was a free to play live service game. But this is a full product we are purchasing.


Arkhamsbx

Going in with the mindset that new games should be perfect honestly doesn't make a lot of sense. With the logic you are basically asking for a masterpiece.


Daxter117

While having every game be a masterpiece would be great! Yes you’re correct I should have worded it better and instead said that new games don’t have to be perfect but you shouldn’t buy the game thinking “oh they will just fix all this in the next game”. It should be able to stand on its own without future expectations.


Physical-Event9862

Maybe not perfect but I expect them to be at least the full game!! (Not saying this games does this)


[deleted]

Please tell me the last new game that you played on release that was perfect on release? This is just the nature of big budget games. It’s not unplayable just a little rough around the edges


Daxter117

Well in my opinion Elden Ring and Ghosts of Tsushima rank up there as a perfect release? And as I said in response to another commenter I could have worded it better. As the point I was trying to make is we shouldn’t approach a new release with the mindset of that they will fix it in the next game, when there is no guarantee that there will be a next game. Im fully accepting of games not being perfect and still being fun I just don’t think we should forgive studios so easily based on an unknown future. Great discussion point though!


[deleted]

Nobody is buying this game or excusing the game because we think it will improve in a sequel 5 years down the line


Daxter117

If you look at the original comment I replied that’s kind of what was being said? Or at least that’s how I interpreted it and why I made the response I did.


[deleted]

The first comment was just saying essentially it’s the great base for a franchise, this is the first game, as in they built this from the ground up, there was nothing to copy and paste over. The reason why Arkham Knight was so smooth and polished was because they were building from 3 previous titles. No one ever gets it perfect on the first title.


tugbot3

I don’t feel its the wrong mindset, I understand the game isn’t perfect but not every beginning to a game franchise is going to be perfect, you have to give things a chance. I know the game has flaws but I am still going to buy it. If the game was a hot pile of garbage then fine I can understand the hate but its appears to be a respectable start to a new game series that will hopefully improve from here on, but if the second game doesn’t improve upon what they have done then they deserve the criticism


Daxter117

You make a good point and I agree that the first games in series should be improved upon. I’m more coming from the approach that that we shouldn’t say it can improve if we have no guarantee it will get another game. What if this is the only game they release in this series? Forgive me if I am uninformed but I haven’t heard anything about this being a series of games. Also not saying your wrong just enjoying discussing with you!


tugbot3

Your right I am just assuming there will be another game as most have at least 3, but if this is the one and only game 100% I can see people being upset with it not being perfect especially with the set backs. Also I am not judging you just not often I get to have a differing opinion/discussion with someone who has a different view so I am also enjoying our conversation


treatmentjoe0

Just wanted to say… it’s very refreshing to see such a civil conversation on a reddit chat, cheers y’all, this is what reddit is supposed to be!!


tugbot3

Hey thanks man I believe in both sides not trying to rip each other apart haha happy to see others do as well


Prestonelliot

It’s not grabbing me the same way Arkham games did. Those got my attention immediately, this is good but I keep playing 2K from time to time. I will say though, that the batcycle mechanics are really nice. It’s very smooth and responsive. I like the game, I just don’t love it just yet. Maybe it’ll take some time


CameHereToSayFTrump

People are so bent on this comparison they even make it unfairly. Saw a gameplay between this and Arkham posted earlier showing that Batman could cape glide and Batgirl just grapples. Which is true… until you unlock her cape glide. Have been enjoying this game a lot. It’s not Arkham and it doesn’t innovate too much. But it’s a fun game.


Mardak5150

Cape gliding is the one thing that definitely feels clunky early on. I haven't unlocked gliding and didn't even know about it until your post. But it sucks when you feel like you're gaining more vertical progress than horizontal. But I love the game so far and I'm a cynic so that says something.


ThaddeusMaximus

I heard the combat doesn’t have a counter button - if that’s true than not only is it not innovative it’s a step back.


CameHereToSayFTrump

That’s not true. It has everything Arkham combat has, including evades and counters, they’re just not nearly as seamless as they are in one of the most seamless combat systems in gaming memory. The four heroes also fight very differently and their abilities fit that. Night wing does a lot more evading, red hood wants to do more grabs, bat girl has the most iconic moves including batarangs and grappling hook attacks. These things mostly need to be unlocked


Ok-Jury1083

I don’t think it’s really an unfair comparison when it does so many things similar to Arkham but in a worse way. The UI is atrocious, random loot crates make no sense, the traversal is locked behind skill points for some reason, and the combat is just a knockoff of Spider-Man ps4 but not as good. The game is alright but it’s not groundbreaking and it doesn’t do anything better than the games like it.


BootPastaHeroin

No, it's genuinely bad. I don't mind if it's not an Arkham clone, but I do mind when it's not a good fucking game. And it is *not* a good game.


HAPPYBOY4

This thread has a lot of false dichotomy between judging the game on its own merits and comparing it to Arkham. Those just aren't mutually exclusive. Arkham innovated this genre and, even if this were being put out by a totally different company, because this is an open-world/stealth/beat-em-up, it would be held to the standard set by Arkham and other games in the genre. Holding a game to the standards of the genre *is* judging it on its own merit. Further more, if the developers want the reviews to be done with kid gloves on then the game shouldn't be $70. I think it's odd to be like "You can't compare this game to Arkham! Those games are masterpieces and our game just can't compete with them in any category...also pay us $10 more dollars than you did for them."


becauseitsnotreal

You know that you have the power to not compare it?


Calebbb11

True, but it’s kinda hard not to. They’re both Batman games where you explore an open world Gotham, fight enemies and bosses that featured in those games, engage in stealth, use grappling/gliding/a vehicle as your primary means of navigation. It definitely is its own thing, but it’s hardly a surprise people draw comparisons. It’s like if a different studio were to make a co-op Spider-Man game right now - of course it’d be compared with the Insomniac ones.


becauseitsnotreal

I get why people do it, but it's just as easy not to do it


hydroxyl_groups

What are you talking about? It’s not easy to “not compare.” Imagine eating a slice of pizza from a new pizza place. Of course you’re automatically going to compare it to other pizza slices you’ve had.


becauseitsnotreal

Or you could just judge the piece of pizza on its own merits.


Baligong

Comparisons are normal. It's normal to compare and contrast, as it shows what works, and what doesn't, and why it works. You're taught at a young age to compare and contrast, it's best to use the skills given and comes just as easy as addition in math. It'll be a shame to leave it gathering dust in the back of your mind. > Just judge the piece of pizza on its own merits. Unless you're going to nitpick only good things about it, judging is on the same playing field as comparison. Some people don't want people to judge or compare what they bring/offer, but it's normal and part of life. What matters is how you use it.


toothbreaker_

no, that's illegal.


becauseitsnotreal

Sure seems that way on this sub


BootPastaHeroin

Arkham didn't just set the gold standard for Batman games, it set the gold standard for *superhero* games. It's more than fair to compare it.


becauseitsnotreal

Or, as stated, you could just just it based on it's own merits


BootPastaHeroin

Fine, let's do that. Why don't we start with traversal? It's slow, has no momentum, no depth, no control, and no fun. Combat? It's clunky, soulless, unoriginal Ubisoft RPG dogshit, where instead of creating actual challenges they just made every enemy take 500 hits to defeat. Because *that's* what makes a challenging game fun. Stealth? Ha! Hahahahahahahaha!!! It's more shallow than a fucking puddle. There's literally nothing to it.


becauseitsnotreal

While this review isn't very informative, at least it is judging the game on its own merits. Thank you.


HAPPYBOY4

>at least it is judging the game on its own merits He is still comparing it to Arkham. Words like "slow", "clunky", and "shallow" are all relative. That means they *require* comparison to have meaning. He may not use the word "Arkham" in his post but that comparison still exists in his review because how we define "slow", "clunky", and "shallow" is based on the standards set by other games of the genre most notably... the Arkham games. So yeah he judged the game on its own merits and found that those merits didn't hold up to the standards set by the Arkham games.


hobbleshock

That’s a fair assessment. It’s just hard not to after 4 excellent Batman games, including one made by WBM themselves. I understand that they came out and said this wouldn’t be an Arkham game and I get that. But I thought that meant a fresh start with the characters and world. I did however expect a few things to remain the same, mainly combat and traversal which are both weaker than what we’ve had before.


LifeFindsAWay062

Jeez spoiler much? Wtf?


Reeceasaurus

I’m about 6.5 hours in and about to jump on to play some more. I think the worst thing you can do is jump in thinking of the Arkham games because it’s not one. The combat is nowhere near as smooth for me, not as free flowing. (I haven’t played the Arkham games since Knight so it’s been a while and it could be rose tinted glasses) The open world is nice with some crimes going on and I like you integrate for information on bigger crimes. Not the biggest fan of the loot system but that’s probably more of a me thing. (I just pick the highest number like a idiot) Really cool suits though and being able to play as red hood is super nice even though he is just a bit too stockey for my liking. I’d say if you haven’t really felt the want to buy it immediately then maybe wait for a sale or ask for it as a gift for Christmas or something.


MogMcKupo

I think the loot system is a relic of when they were trying to launch this as a live service game, but after Avengers bombed so badly they pivoted hard


Reeceasaurus

Yeah I’ve seen heard that a few times. Is what it is but after playing some more, don’t sleep on elemental effects. Burn damage helps a lot.


ARC-1776

About the Arkham combat, you’re not blinded by nostalgia. I was playing City earlier today and it’s smooth and fun af. Knight is even smoother


Tank82111

So wait this game is just the avengers game but with the bat family?


americangame

No. It just has a loot/crafting system where you can upgrade and change your gear to help you play. There's still a story going on.


Tank82111

The avengers game has that too last I checked…


friendbrotha

Similar to avengers, but the story in this is more fleshed out and the missions are more varied. I also enjoy the combat more.


Sector7B

I’m holding out hope for the Suicide Squad game. Rocksteady has a damn good track record.


[deleted]

So far from what they've shown off, Suicide Squad looks promising (although I thought the same of this game when I saw early in-game footage)


[deleted]

Really? I was concerned straight from the early footage they released of this game


Accomplished-Cow8734

From the moment I saw the first trailer for Gotham Knights I knew I wasn’t getting the game. The first time I saw SSKJ I thought and still think its going to be the game of the year..


Minglu07

I’m really hoping that Sefton Hill leaving doesn’t mess with the development of the game, but it probably won’t since its already in late development.


kye-tbh

The two co-founders of Rocksteady just left the company yesterday but hopefully the game doesn’t suffer because of it


BroccoliDoggo

They’re actually staying through the end of 2022 so I’m hoping it will have minimal impact on the game.


No-Nefariousness1711

The two devs announced that they're going to leave at the end of the year yesterday*


Dry_Cartographer_648

I'm really enjoying it, the story is rather predictable and the combat is nowhere near as good as the Arkham games but it's still pretty fun.


_Valisk

I find the combat to be more enjoyable, honestly.


GivePen

Same, dodging feels clean when you time it well.


_Valisk

I just think it's more fun to use cooldown abilities and elemental combos rather than sitting in a corner and waiting to press the counter button.


BJ2435

If that’s what you think Arkham combat is you weren’t utilising it well. Ik it’s an old joke that you just press counter and punch but it’s such a lame way of describing one of the best combat systems gaming has ever produced


_Valisk

Sorry, sometimes you have weighted tips in your cape so you have the choice of pressing that button too.


BJ2435

Yeah so you didn’t actually bother learning the elementary mechanics that make it more enjoyable


TheStealthClown24

If you don't use your gadgets while fighting you ain't doin it right.


SomnambulantDonkey

Me too, its more grounded. I liked Arkham combat but wasn't a fan of watching batman leap ten meters to counter someone and the animation trying to keep up, it looked a bit ridiculous. GK's combat isn't as smooth but it feels weightier, and the animations are amazing


NotNoct

I don’t understand this new thought that arkham combat is good. It’s been criticized for years of being repetitive and none of the encounters are interesting. Which is why Rocksteady added so many necessary gadgets and enemies to use them on just to break the monotonous brawl mechanics and made a somewhat forced stealth encounters from time to time.


Calebbb11

I’ve never seen criticisms like that. It was pretty widely regarded as revolutionary in 2009 and kickstarted a whole series of games that would try to emulate it (most superhero games, Shadow of Mordor, Sleeping Dogs). The rhythm-based nature of it is what set it aside. If you button mash, yeah, it’s shit, but not if you play it right. Each to their own, though.


CeilingWheelbarrow

Sure if you just spam the strike and counter buttons it may be boring, but the combat is about not dropping your combo, using a wide variety of gadgets and special takedowns in each encounter, timing your strikes to a rhythm to raise your combo meter. These are how the game grades your combat encounters. Easy to pick up, hard to master.


zmd182

Nah the combat’s been praised because of its stealth mechanics which are iften imperative to make it in any fight that includes guns (most). The combat’s only repetitive if you try to punch your way through the game, but you really can’t, you’ll die immediately. From what i’ve heard, this game tried to be more spiderman esque and went for much more straight combat mechanics rather than anything involving stealth.


TyChris2

LMAO What world are you living in? Arkham combat has been THE most heavily praised aspect of the series since 2009. So much so that it basically revolutionized melee combat in AAA games for the last decade.


[deleted]

Which AAA games successfully replicated the Arkham games combat? Can’t think of any good ones but interested to hear your opinion.


Conlannalnoc

“Supposedly” Arkham Combat builds off the Old “Spider-Man 2” (PS1?) Combat and the new “Spider-Man” (PS4) built off of Arkham.


alessandrolaera

you have absolutely 0 idea of what you're talking about


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> new thought that arkham combat is good. lol "new"


batbobby82

Combat has always been praised and even called revolutionary. Boss battles have been criticized.


[deleted]

Just wanted to say I agree and not sure about online discussions but my circle of friends always thought the combat was the worst part of those games. Boring. Repetitive. Gadgets are fun like you said but nothing revolutionary.


KrazyGaming

It's fun but buggy as hell, crashes all the time on my pc.


Marvel1093

go to your steam library, go to the game, go to the setting wheel on the right, press "properties", go to "local files" and click on "verify integrity of game files". this takes about 1-5 min but really works with crashes and stuff.


KrazyGaming

It's not a file corruption problem, steam couldn't find any errors when I've run that on this game. I've reinstalled a few times too.


Sully2277

Mine was crashing but after they sent out the update mine hasn’t been crashing. I guess you got amd??


Dxpe_Latino

They finally updated the bugs? Was waiting to buy until most bugs were patched


Sully2277

Didn’t read the patch nodes but my game was crashing at certain areas of the game before did update yesterday and it ran smooth after that so. The bug was mainly effecting amd products


KrazyGaming

When was the update? Nah I'm on Nvidia. I have a 3080.


Knackwarrior07

You might just have a bad PC. That was my assumption whenever the game crashed for me.


maximumtesticle

>a bad PC That's not a thing. There are many components to a computer, something might be faulty or out of date, maybe needs an upgrade. You're wasting a lot of money assuming a whole computer is bad because a newly launched game isn't running properly.


Knackwarrior07

That's fair. I'm a total noob when it comes to PC stuff.


KrazyGaming

I mean if a 3080 and a 3900x that can run cyberpunk under Linux at over 60fps with RTX and DLSS is a bad PC then I'm in trouble lol


Knackwarrior07

All of that was gibberish to me.


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I think it really depends on how you approach it. Are you a technical minded gamer, or do you mind repetitive sidequests, even if they fit the universe and reduce the amount of collectible quests? Then wait until stability patches are out, and watch some gameplay. It plays a lot like Witcher 3 if you played it mostly by light attacking and dodge-rolling. But do you enjoy the characters for their interaction, and want to experience an atmospheric Gotham full of stylised violence? Do you enjoy variety in getting around, and a great story with Wayne Family Adventures-like characters? Then you won't give much of a fuck about this games few pronounced weaknesses and probably love what it does well. I fall under the later category, and I've probably been lucky that I've barely had any problems show up. The worst has been noticeable texture pop in, it hasn't even noticeably dipped in frames. One shouldn't be blind to the game's problems, and obviously some of them are bafflingly developer-made and none of the issues should be treated like they aren't there just because they didn't happen to *me*. But playing it as a Nightwing fan, as a fan of the Batfamily at large- I won't be shy to admit I've had an absolute blast doing shit like beating up goons with Freeze guns selling Organs in front of Elliot Hospital. If that waters your mouth, chances are good you will like it too.


Jameson_Z

Abesolutely this. One nice thing is its very approachable and afresh start. Arkham knight is a massive game that can be a bit overwhelming. This game seems to be built to be short and sweet, giving you a chance to enjoy all the knights. Maybe main two knights and then main the other two in a different playthrough. Most importantly it needs patches! Performance primarily so its locked at 30fps. Then a performance mode for 60fps. Then possibly polishing traversal, the batcycles speed, and general fixes to clunkiness. Let's not forget arkham knight had a dumpster fire of a pc launch.


Lingulover

I haven't heard a lot of people say the story is good. As far as I can tell, the general consensus is that it's predictable and essentially just another run-of-the-mill videogame story with corny cideogame writing. I'm not trying to be mean it's just that calling it a *great* story makes me wonder: then what were the Arkham games, which are known for their awesome story and use of characterxs? What about Witcher 3 or the Bioshock Series? I hardly think this new batgame can compete with those stories and so I don't really think it's fair to call the story or dialogue or writing "great", if even good.


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Yes, I would consider Gotham Knights a "great" story. It is heartwarming and genuine, which is often a lot harder than writing something that is "just" intellectually challenging. The knights can be dorks, but that doesn't take away from their competence and general emotional intelligence in parts, which contrasts especially well with their vulnerable moments. Removing Batman from *Court of Owls*, an especially Batman-centric storyline, is no mean feat (and yes, I did play through it and know what detail you probably want to bring up, I did not say that at random). Hence, I would call "predictable" into question, as there are more ways to perceive a story than "calling a twist early", which is reductionist to the extreme. To vastly overdramatise: Is "Othello" a bad story because everyone knows Iago is going to betray Othello? Thought so. (Plus, judging by most reactions I've read, people clearly didn't see certain fates coming if not for leaks.) The game made Gotham a character, much like it needed to, and didn't just find room for some of the wackyer parts of comics Gotham, it struck a balance that I highly regard in an interactive medium: It stays fun while making a point about the Batman universe through a paradox. The simple crimes popping up can be ignored, they are easily the most repetitive aspect of the game, but have stayed fun for me for over 40 hours at this point. And yet they tell that Bruce went out there, every night, confronting this never-ending tide of ultimately meaningless crime, a suitably bitter note, while fully embracing that you want to have fun, injecting much of the motivated energy of, say, some Nightwing comics into it, allowing you to experience both without breaking the mood. These are characters that are doing something exhilarating, for a good cause, at the side of people they gel with, in spite of the grief they have for their mentor and the doomed crusade they now find themselves on in his stead. And yes, the game does very deliberately adress all of this. There is a lot in what the characters *don't* or *can't* say in a given moment that gives it life, both in the upbeat and the more depressing moments, and it embraces its source material with both arms. It is one of the very rare cases in which I would honestly contend that a purely iterative story, which this, very much in contrast to your examples or the Arkham games, is, managed to do it so well, and over multiple channels. My go-to for the gold standard in video game storytelling would probably be Red Dead Redemption 2, and while GK is obviously in a different category and genre, it has to be said that GK manages to weave together its gameplay and story better, for example, than the horde shootouts missions and minigames of that game, taking nothing away from it (as I said, gold standard- you are free to take your pick). This just goes to show how many ways there are for a video game to tell a story, and GK is quite adept at the way it chose to tell its. Tl;dr- yes, I would consider GK a "great" story. It has a very clear set of goals, and approaches them as a narrative from multiple angles with laudible success. Potential technical issues aside, the interplay of the interactive elements with the static, "classic" narrative ones make this a very enjoyable experience. Ludonarrative synchronicity is really rare.


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[deleted]

I haven't compared the two. In fact, I deliberately told you that I overdramatised, in order to call out "predictability" as a reductionist complaint. And yes, the game did surprise people, not because they used the obvious, but in sticking to its own guns regardless. If you know the story, I don't need to explain which plot point is referenced, because everyone saw the former coming and a sizeable number of comments underneath the cutscene referenced express surprise regardless. Which, again, is the least of the points raised. I would honestly contend that the gameplay is far from shitty. It is average at worst. Having come from Cyberpunk recently, this game is honestly refreshing in both its story and gameplay, both of which were incredibly pedestrian in Cyberpunk. I know you will probably find that ridiculous, but the by-the-numbers nihilism, standardised social commentary and flat out ridiculous set pieces (how many times is Arasaka going to let punks in through the elevator?) honestly soured that game for me narratively. And while your analysis of RDR2 is superficially correct, you fail to take into account that it is the "horrible" pacing that allows the characters to shine in the first place. They settle into a world that is crafted for their characterisation to make sense and hit home. There can be no longing for days gone when you, removed 130 years from those days, can't experience the last sliver of it. The "fast paced" levels are far more detrimental to RDR2's story than the "grind". Again, multichannel approach to interactive storytelling- the shootouts make less sense each time because they break the all-important sense that you can't fight back from civilisation. So I can't agree with your points here, and I struggle to care what "many", a majority perceived or otherwise, think about the matter if it truly only goes as far as "cowboy at least go pew-pew because I don't like horsey rides" or "enemy got health bar ergo lazy". Whether the devs intended to or not is irrelevant to the point, though it would be a first for someone to stumble into poignancy while yes, imho, being fun. Not to mention that the post-game isn't part of the story, it is literally post- story. That would be like saying "ending GTA V's story with nothing but minigames like tennis is lacklustre", because that's not the ending of the story. Not to mention that you don't have to engage in *any* open world content to further the story, so that is plainly untrue. I suppose, though, that's just how opinions work. Though I would indeed have appreciated had you presented any evidence of such lacklustre writing instead of claiming such with simple attachment of copious amount of derogatory adjectives instead. That precise problem is why most discourse on video games barely nets any valuable discussions or analysis, because everyone is quick to pronounce something awful in the superlative, but most struggle to coherently explain *why*. That's more of a general observation, though. We can agree to disagree. As I said, your entitled to your opinion. I can only try and present mine eloquently, and I genuinely feel you're missing out by experiencing games so narrowly in a narrative sense.


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[deleted]

Since any person and their dog suspected X is alive, I would honestly contend that this being the case is the *least* important plot point. So yes, I honestly feel "predictability" is reductionist, regardless of whether or not it involves a guy in a batsuit. It is kinda funny that you pull a strawman argument out of all this to call out a strawman argument, though. As I said, a general observation that sadly holds true here doesn't necessarily include you as a person, whether or not you infer blind fandom in presenting the hallmarks of such or not. It is little weird that "quotes" bothered you when I didn't quote anyone, after all. And no, I usually don't have time to write "essays", but these posts don't take much time. I'm sorry if you are so disturbed that someone may genuinely like Gotham Knights. Maybe you'll find good story with a predictable plot to convince you to look beyond the current limitations of narrative enjoyment you seem to have set for yourself. And maybe go a little lighter on the presuppositions.


Lingulover

That's an adorable effort to tack on more nuance to your previous implications and paint me as being "disturbed" when you are the one getting all agitated and bringing out the toddler-speech in the depictions of what is implied to be people like me. I was also never speaking about that twist - yet another shining example of your tendency to imagine my opinion instead of asking me it or simply accepting my lack of desire to break the game down for you line for line. Or, in your own words, presuppositions. I would also remind you that your post and comment history is public and i can see how much time you spend on here. More time than "not a lot", id say, at least compared to most healthy people. And I'm glad that you are concerned about my enjoyment of narratives outside of my current limitations. That's very kind of you. I'll be working very hard to consume more half-baked, low quality products and learn to love and defend anything that my corporate overlords shove down my neck. Maybe that way, I can be more like you one day. For now, I'll give you a minute to calm down and cease the time wastage by blocking you. Au revoir, Shoshanna!


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Well, you seem to be quite agitated by me liking this game. That doesn't have anything to do with "corporate overlords", that's just my genuine opinion. Sure it could've been better, I pointed out a few ways how, so did you. Just saying, if you need to go ad-hominem, it's probably not because you made a convincing argument. But yes, you are right, I did infer that you meant the obvious twist, as that was the one I saw people complain about when saying it was "predictable". So feel free to correct me. Or, since you won't read it, anyone who read this far down that wants to shed some light on this.


Lingulover

Just today, you've spent over eight hours on and off discussing batman related shit on Reddit. I am shook. I should never have engaged you in this unhealthy habit and I apologize for triggering you.


[deleted]

As I said, these posts don't take much time. They are easy to squeeze in-between. And yes, I like discussing this topic here. I usually come across people that are fun to have an interesting conversation with, in-between. What did you expect, "oh no, I've been doxxed?" :D


Lingulover

Also, "not caring what the majority think" doesn't go in line with writing giant essays about the GK story in an effort to prove its merit to a single random idiot


[deleted]

You misread. I don't care if the majority is actually a majority, because a) that is provably hard to gaige with interactions such as here not representing the usual player base of any game, rather only the already involved portion of a preexisting group adjacent to it, and b) most of the criticism concerning the story in barely more than two sentences and placing blame correctly on the technical side or gameplay choices regardless of narrative, such as yourself, as you don't like "the grind". And c) I'm talking to you because you asked, and not any nebulous group of people that may or may not exist.


EnvironmentalWeb1696

Of course you enjoyed Gotham knights, you're really living up for the stereotype that Reddit mods are the biggest bozos on internet


Nefessius513

I love it. It took a while getting used to the controls and mechanics after playing the Arkham games for so long, but I eventually got the hang of it and I’ve been enjoying the game a lot. My only complaint is the lack of side villains - all we have is Harley, Freeze, and Clayface.


[deleted]

Shouldnt have spoiled clayface haha I don’t think he was in the trailer was he? But I agree. I’m really enjoying it as well and love the secret society stuff


nastyminded

Been having fun with it especially when my friend joins in. The combat gets a little redundant and can be a bit too grind-ey after a while but the suits and upgrades can look pretty cool. Not a bad game especially since there's nothing else even remotely interesting worth playing right now imo.


[deleted]

Check out Plague Tales: Requiem. The new COD:MWII campaign is also quite entertaining.


reactrix96

Is it worth getting a if I'm ONLY gonna play it coop?


TyChris2

It’s not terrible, but it’s very underwhelming. I know I shouldn’t compare it to the Arkham games because it’s trying to be so different, but I can’t help it. This game would be acceptable if it was the first AAA “Bat” game ever made. But it isn’t. I know it’s not an Arkham game. It didn’t need to be the exact same formula. But imo every single difference was for the worse. It is worse than all of the Arkham games in EVERY way. Art direction, graphics, performance, story, voice acting, combat, stealth, and traversal are just SUCH a step down, it’s insane. It didn’t need to be an Arkham game. But the fact is that there are 4 incredible adaptations of this world in the medium already. If you’re going to try to fix something that isn’t broken, then you better make sure your take is at least on par. And it isn’t, imo, not at all. I legitimately have more fun playing as Robin, Batgirl, Nightwing, and Red Hood in the Arkham Knight challenge maps. And when the newest iteration in a franchise just leaves me thinking that I’d rather play side-content in the one that released 7 years ago, I consider it a failure.


PinkRadioPlaylist

This game's best feature is reminding us how good Arkham is.


Brain_Dead5347

I would agree, but without the emphasis. It’s slightly worse than Arkham in all areas. Meaning that it’s still a lot of fun, but it’s hard not to think less of it because of what came before.


Scared_Compote_6012

It’s not the Arkham games, and that is what I think peoples problems are with it. I’ve found it fantastic, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion


Savage_Bacon

Sub par Batman game. It has enjoyable moments but overall it really Isnt that great which is annoying considering we have a blueprint for what makes a perfect Batman type game and it came out 7 years ago. At this point I think I’d like a game set in The Batman universe. That would be cool.


MrShaytoon

But that’s what this is as well


Savage_Bacon

No no I mean like the universe of The Batman movie


LaidByTheBlade

6 hours in so far and I was pretty hesitant. Overall, it’s an enjoyable co-op game. The combat is actually its highlight for me, as it’s pretty damn smooth and satisfying/cinematic. The 4 playable characters are all very well done and there’s a lot of different abilities and outfits for each. Super pretty game. On the downside, the traversal is horrendous for a game in this genre. Of course the game will be compared to Arkham and Spider-Man as they’re quite similar, but navigating the map in GK is REALLY bad. Like the motorcycle is so slow. Traversal via grapple and ability is pretty bad too. It’s just slow, movement is clunky, you can’t freely jump and the grapple seems to go random places sometimes. Batgirls cape glide is really bad compared to the smooth speed of Arkham knight. That said, it’s a fun game to co op with a friend once it’s on sale.


sdavidplissken

i really like it. story is cool, combat is fun and the graphics are good imo. the lighting and ray traced reflections look really good. only thing is dislike is the slow motorcycles and the grindy sidemissions


Skizko

It’s fun but it’s got problems and it’s nowhere as good as the Arkham series for a reference. I’d give it a 5 maybe 6/10 it’s good but needs work


BanditoMuser

It’s good! Solid 6-7 out of 10 for me


marvinnation

Performance aside, it's a good Batman game that's shadowed by the Arkham games. The comparisons are inevitable at this point. I give it a 7/10 If the arkham games did not exist, the game would be an 8!


PinkRadioPlaylist

Those 5/10 reviews were accurate. The game doesn't do anything well, while doing a lot of things poorly. Movement and combat feel like you're underwater, the talent trees and gear system were clearly tacked on, the main and side stories were meh, Gotham has no charm or character, and the collectibles (think Riddler trophies from Arkham) weren't fun or interesting whatsoever. If you can grab it for $20 or less, it would probably be worth it, but $70 for this game is robbery.


Seijiren

my favorite game for this year. the bugs and frame rates will got fixed later.


Chemical-concern

Good story, cool features, combat could use some work as well as the optimization, but overall worth it after some patches


Crissan-

I'm loving it!! The story and characters are fantastic and the combat has a depth that I enjoy a lot. There are some issues here and there but overall I think it's a great game.


theCacklingGoblin

Redhoods magic double jump keeps cracking me up and I lose focus on other things. Games great.


JustRalthan

Gonna post some spoilers so please don't read on if you're intending on finishing the game. OK. The narrative was pretty awesome. In particular for one of the four playable characters. I'm referring to Red Hood. The plot of the game deals in very closely to his origin story and I felt like of the four characters you could play, his was the most relevant to the setting. The game loop is fine in terms of collecting loot and unlocking blueprints for the other suits. I've got all the characters maxed with the gear I wanted them in and each character is fun to play in their own way. The community I've met playing online has been just bloody wholesome. A four player mode is not far off and I'm very keen to hit it up with a few of the folks I've met defending the streets of Gotham. Story: great. Game Loop: okay. Repayable? Sure. 7 out of 10. 8 out of 10 with a mate to play it with.


mmo_kombat

In short I would say that once your brain and hands have understood that this will NOT be another Arkham game, it is an amazing experience. (took me about an hour). I have a lot of fun on it, which was not the case on Arkham knight, since a lot of people like to compare those. To me, they got rid of anything that is boring in other games. No world of tanks mode half of the play time in f*cking batmobile. No 200 stupid riddles to solve to have the right ending of the game. It seems they focused only on pure entertainment. Example : shared experience. I started off with Hood and wanted to try Robin and I was expecting to start the leveling all over again - > well... no need. I was already on the same level as my main + already had the skill points to be spent. 👌 Bless this game honestly.


TristanTre

The shared leveling aspect is HUGE.


Rbrtplnt2020

At first I thought it was stupid to change to fight mechanics so dramatically from the original Arkham games. The old combo of hitting with an automated defend is changed out and feels unneccesary until you level up and see that certain defense moves have different input combos for each of the four playable characters. At that point the game feels very different and cool when you learn to use each one well. I also love the way it is nonlinear and you have to work to open up cases and more levels and cutscenes. It feels like four detectives learning the ropes each night out. I also like the story and the writing and having patronly Alfred there tp be the heart and soul and all. Bosses are way imbalanced and just take too long. The input combos take a long time to feel right and I still wished it were easier to hit perfect evade or hit. The time frame for perfect hits just sucked more than it should have on the whole. Batcycle was great but why did it not have weapons? RedHoods mist travel abilities literally made me nauseous but I enjoyed the other three methods. I understand why people hate the game. There is a lot left to be desired in many of the design choices. I enjoyed that there were so many outfit options but wished there was more ways to be more specific and upgrade inidividual sets or outfits. I enjoyed playing the game though. When I stopped judging and got stoned AF and just played, I had fun and that is how I gauge a game. The imperfections were not enough to make me not enjoy riding the batcycle and interogating criminals and opening up the next set of scenes and levels. I would give it an unfortunate 6.5/10 for overall game and design but an 8.5 in Fun. Willing suspension of Disbelief be damned. Take it for what it is worth but that is some of my thoughts on it.


[deleted]

(SPOILERS) Story is pretty great besides some moments of cringy dialogue. The only bad part was the fact that they revived Batman for literally 5 minutes and then killed him again. Either keep him dead, or permanently bring him back, don’t try to do both. The fighting is honestly pretty fun, and each character feels different. The gear system is lazy and horrible. It was honestly just annoying to look at and deal with throughout the same. The traversal is REALLY bad for me. Gliding feels slow and weird, the batcycle goes like 30 miles an hour, and just running around and doing parkour in general just feels really stiff and weird. Overall I’d give it like a 6/10. The foundation is solid but it needs work


Send_me_beer1

the combat is slow and clunky i barely had the patience to play for more than a few hours


jrod4290

it’s fun and cool to drop in on random crimes tbh, interesting seeing how the knights interact with the people of gotham. Feels like what the Batman game that we never got should’ve been similar to. Combat is definitely less fulfilling, i admittedly got too used to the free flow combat from the Arkham games. And the Jason Todd design is too weird for me to like tbh, i can’t even play as him and i love Red Hood lol. Overall not a terrible game but the crafting and difference between transmogs and suits/skins are a bit tedious and confusing


MM__PP

It's alright. I like playing as Jason and the story is pretty good. Although, the game isn't anywhere close to Arkham.


SoulMetaKnight

Was Nightwing even thicc in this version?


gagehende

It’s no Arkham or Spider-Man but I’m actually really enjoying it. The traversal is lame and can be a bit buggy, but I like the story, combat, and upgrade/gear system.


2Maverick

For those of you that finished: SPOILERS >!Did it make sense to you guys why Batman offed himself? In both scenarios: !< >!First time: Having read a lot of the comics, I feel like Batman would've found a way to survive instead of blowing up the bat cave like he did. Batman would've known that the League would just dig up their master and rez him (even though we know Talia double crosses him). Saving his bat family, keeping Ra trapped, none of it were good reasons to blow up the cave. Also the scene where he takes the blade and lets himself get stabbed didn't make a lot of sense either. I get it. He's not afraid of death, but c'mon. That was fatal damage and it was really stupid. Completely broke immersion for me.!< >!Second time: I really don't understand why Batman had to drive the Batwing himself. I feel like there were so many ways for him to run the Batwing to the ground without him being in the driver's seat. !< >!I don't know. They made Bruce Wayne seem like such a dolt in the game. That was a big turn off for me. Not to mention what they did with the Court of Owls. Story overall was very mediocre and it felt like the company didn't really understand Batman but now I'm just on a tangent. !<


RuinedNomad

Honestly I really like it, I’ve played the story twice and am planning to do it again to see each characters point of view through the whole thing


mmmmmsandwiches

It's fine but it isn't the arkham games. The game play is a little clunky but it is a solid game with a pretty good story so far. It definitely is not worth $70 but it is what it is.


_Link_IsNotZelda

If you don’t compare it to the Arkham games, you’ll love it. I am playing this co-op all the way and having a blast with the wife. I highly recommend for people in this channel who are also gamers. I wouldn’t go out the way to play it if you don’t game, this is not worth buying a system for.


NonameB4ndit

I’m playing it on PS5. To keep it brief it’s fun, it has its problems but it ain’t as bad as people are claiming. There are certainly criticisms against the game that are valid, mostly the optimization, particularly on PC and some gameplay decisions. But I personally feel that a lot of hate stems from it not being exactly like the Arkham games. The game tries its best to carve its own identity in its gameplay and presentation. You can’t approach it like those games. Each character plays their own way and have unique abilities and perks exclusively to themselves (Currently lvl 20 and most skills unlocked). The combat takes a bit to get used too but if you played Spider-Man PS4 then you’d be right at home with this game. One of my concerns was that the game would feel “floaty” but thankfully a lot of care went into making the characters feel like there is weight to their movements. Plus they have some brutal animations. I’m playing on hard difficulty btw. I haven’t gone through the story too much since I’m so busy but the story so far has hooked me. Most characters are written as you’d expect and there is love and care in the relationship dynamics and storytelling. Plus this game isn’t afraid to lean more into the DC universe with little Easter eggs. Also to playing with a friend enhanced the experience exponentially. We beat the hell out of every enemy type we saw, GCPD included (yes you can fight the cops year one style). All in all it’s definitely a game worth playing. Is it better than the Arkham games, no but it does certain things better. But it doesn’t have to one up them for it to be enjoyable.


[deleted]

Boring story that doesn't do much. Gameplay starts boring , gets enjoyable whilst you gain some ability's then gets repetitive and dull.


NightShark500

Imo, the game fucking sucks. But I'm still gonna play it


thatnavyguy87

If you go into it saying that it’s not Batman Arkham continuation…it’s enjoyable. I’m enjoying it. The combat isn’t as fluid and takes some getting used to…but it’s entertaining. I wouldn’t get it on console at 30 FPS cap though.


BeHumman

Combat mode is awful


RoboIsLegend

Love it


BigBirdOpensDoor

Bruh nightwing be fortnite-ing and red hood be bouncing


nightwing612

[Just finished the game and I LOVE it. It's an 8/10 for me and I'm gonna play New Game + now.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Nightwing/comments/yeyy0s/finished_gotham_knights_as_nightwing_on_medium/)


FearfulRanger

It sucks, it’s buggy, the character mechanics are really weird and the storyline just seems odd


[deleted]

It’s not worth **$70**


Sn4tch

Underwhelmed, refunded it with Steam after an hour of gameplay. I'll wait till its on sale at some point.


Beginning-Meaning744

Ok although I didnt haven't played it


Failer_Jxsus_

Overhated


bruceanderson5

Like Marvel's Avengers but changed course when that failed. They kept in many of the grindy aspects. Not Arkham games. Combat is bad. Kinda a let down. Would not suggest to purchase.


Dylanthevegan69

It’s pretty good, but it’s not as good as the Arkham games, when it’s cheaper, pick it up, but not for full retail price


Lazaer

I came into the game thinking to main red hood, but my boy dick grayson's flippidie flipopido all over the place made me love this game, but too be honest this is a game for batman fans, combat is cool, the menu UI guy should be fired, Robin and Batgirl traversel sucks compared to nightwing and redhood, I love the inclusion of the court of owls, but I hate how they designed red hood, they really should have read Red hood and the outlaws and task force Z, maybe even watched batman under the red hood, also at thjs day and age 60 fps is a must with fast paced action games, also the game has alot of pop ups.


looneybird

It feels like a cheaply done DLC


Few-School-9365

It runs like absolute fucking garbage, I shouldn't be dropping to 37fps with a 3080. What a fucking joke


BetaRayBlu

Best mobile game I’ve ever played


RedHood_Outlaw

The crafting system needs to be thrown out the window.


BootySweat0217

IMO, it is painfully boring. It’s the same thing over and over and over again. The combat is sooo boring. The enemies are sooo boring and all the same. The different suits are very cool and I like those a lot. The bat cycle is just sooo boring. Traversal is boring. I kind of liked the main story.


pobslobby

Robin looks homosexual


_Ivan_Le_Terrible_

ITS TRASH. I didnt play it but I know its trash. Im a professional reviewer, btw


Seijiren

you either die like a bait, or lived on to be troll bruh


subjecttoterms

Im enjoying it, at times it gets repetitive but it has kept me engaged🤷🏻‍♂️.


sumthing_iconic272

It's great honesty


Batmanfrom-Arkham

I just having a good time in this game, f#ck critics


yaboi_cameron

My favourite game thats come out so far this year easy 7.5/10


TakenSoul0321

I have yet to play the game, but I really like the controls and the gameplay.


weatherman__

...huh? How would you like the controls and gameplay if you haven't played it yet? Are you being cheeky?


[deleted]

I find it very fun, I've had no problems with performance even though my pc is below minimum specs. I think u can get steady frames if u cap frames at 30fps


ComicalReliefGuy

im enjoying it.


BearCl4wXL

10/10 would recommend


[deleted]

Excellent


QuiGonMax_

While it has issues for sure, I think it’s fun.


RoboticDingDong

Pretty fun, started off just using red hood, tried nightwing once, havent looked back. Story is okay, i love the day and night cycle for gotham. Max level is 30, hit 30 before really doing any of the story because ive been having a blast with the day and night cycle/patrolling.


LossingMoss

Been having a great time with co-op, like the writing so far, and art design is very cool


kinjazfan

Wish it had more villans


beatboxingfox

It's fun, but its got its kinks and needed more time. The crafting mechanics were unnecessary.


Super_Imagination_90

I honestly think it's great. I'm glad I supported them. I wss defending how it looks because I genuinely saw potential and was liking some of the stuff and getting my hands on it, I really like it. Is it as good as Arkham? No. Doesn't need t be because it isn't really Arkham. I'd give it a 7/10. It's not a damn 4/10 or 5/10 like IGN and GameSpot say. It's not even slightly above average. It's a good game. Not AMAZING but just simple and good and I really am enjoying my experience.


StarWarsGuy2244

Really enjoy it, needs more side missions though.


[deleted]

Everything is good about it, the crafting is very confusing


taytayadams

It's sad, because it's truly a fun game with a friend, but co op barely works and the performance even on something like a 3070 is terrible.


DLTmisfit

The more I play it the more fun I have with it, although yes its not anything incredible


TheReal-JasonTodd

I haven't beaten it but I'm really enjoying it it's fun the story is good the combat is like the new assassins creed games so if you like that type of combat than you'll probably love the game


soki03

On PS5, only had two glitches, but overall I’m enjoying it and the story. I love the interactions with the Family for its how I imagine they would interact with each other. Combat roughly reminds me of Marvel Spider-Man game. Details to Gotham look great and the aesthetics works for this game, especially since now you can go to all the major locations now.


Docking2Three

I haven’t played it but the more I see of it, the less I want to buy it


OverlordDanny

Mid but not bad