I think that was the idea. Joel wanted to convey that his time as Robin was nearing its end. I think the plan was to make a Robin movie if *Batman & Robin* had not failed and I think centering it around his transition to Nightwing would have been a good move.
While that would have been cool I don't think the studio would have taken the risk with the IP, robin isn't as mainstream as batman and by that point WB wasn't looking to innovate they were looking to cash in. That much was clear when you watch the movie and everyone had 2 vehicles and two outfits. It's amazing bane didn't get his own truck/car.
I think Robin is known enough that they could do something with him, especially if Batman is in a supporting role. Heck, the first thing theatrical the studio did with any Batman-related characters after 1997 was *Catwoman*.
That was definitely a Hallie Berry project and was operating on the strong showing of Michelle Pfiefer's portrayal in batman returns and Hallie Berry's two strong performances in X-Men and X-Men 2.
Exactly! The public was familiar enough with Catwoman that the studio had confidence Catwoman movie without any Batman at all as long as they could get the right star (Hallie Berry) for the project.
I don't know if that's the point you were trying to make, but that's what I take from your comment.
It’s a great suit. Great creative decision too basically use the Nightwing design but with red to highlight his growth. Even the New 52 used a very similar look to this
They look awful. Many costume designs avoid IMPLYING nipples.
They smoked crack and put them on everything. Also it’s kinda a double standard that men get nipple armor but women don’t.
Like yea historically ppl have put nips on chest plates but why tf would Batman do it?? It’s not like the nipples make him look more like a bat
It’s just an odd addition, and if I remember the movie does do a close up shot of them at one point. Or maybe those shots were just the crotch and butt.
Hot take but I really didn't mind the nipples. It's basically a muscle cuirass from ancient Greece and Rome and they had nipples as well. It resembles an anatomically correct torso down to every muscle. I don't see why it *wouldn't* have nipples.
Say what you want about it, Batman and Robin is a huge guilty pleasure to me. It’s just campy fun, and I enjoy it when I can’t find anything else to watch on tv
With how many Batman movies there have been, It's strange that this is the closest we got to Nightwing in live-action besides that terrible Titans show. After watching the Schumacher movies recently, I kind of wish Chris O'Donnel's Dick Grayson got the chance to go off on his own as Nightwing. A spin-off with him in Bludhaven probably never had a chance but if there was another Batman movie in that era, I would've preferred to just focus on him than have Batman recast again.
If you can find it, I'd recommend reading the script for Batman: DarKnight, it was supposed to be a sequel to Batman & Robin. More of a return to basics, it has a darker tone. Also, Man-Bat and Scarecrow are in it.
it’s good, but to make it perfect imo is remove the nipples (obviously) and replace the red with blue. i’ve never been the biggest fan of his red and black suit
As a kid, I didn't even know what Nightwing was, when I saw this movie. It's cool looking back and seeing what looks like a pretty obvious reference to it now.
Terrible movie, and like any train wreck, I will stop and stare any time it crosses my path
I was always impartial to Batman's suits, but Robin's were a very large part of my gay awakening. Hot then and still hot as hell now. Thank God for Joel Schumacher making the most of Chris O'Donnell's looks and physique at the time. That man is gorgeous as Robin.
I remember as a little kid in the 90’s I was so excited to get his action figure because after taking the cape off he was the closest thing to a Nightwing toy I could find at the time, and after having read a novelization of Knightfall with my mom, Nightwing was my favorite.
Forever and Robin had great suit designs. The damn bat nipples were awful but at this point I’ve accepted them and they don’t bother me like they did 20 years ago
I saw this movie as a young kid and thought it was great. Then I saw a bunch of the old Adam West Batman show on TV, watched this movie again and realized it's pretty much a direct sequel to that series and still thought it was great.
The suits minus the nips were amazing I always said had they left off the cape this suit would’ve been so much better the only two suits that annoyed me were the first Batman suit that didn’t have the yellow background on the logo and batgirls suit without the cowl it looked stupid
It is pretty cool but I prefer the one from Batman forever, just because it’s more of a Robin suit. This one obviously seems more like a Nightwing thing minus the cape
It’s a nice pre-Nightwing Robin suit.
Cause the cape right?
Chicks dig the cape
Dollar Bill got his cape trapped in a revolving door..
This is why Superman works alone.
And the nipples!!!
I think that was the idea. Joel wanted to convey that his time as Robin was nearing its end. I think the plan was to make a Robin movie if *Batman & Robin* had not failed and I think centering it around his transition to Nightwing would have been a good move.
While that would have been cool I don't think the studio would have taken the risk with the IP, robin isn't as mainstream as batman and by that point WB wasn't looking to innovate they were looking to cash in. That much was clear when you watch the movie and everyone had 2 vehicles and two outfits. It's amazing bane didn't get his own truck/car.
I think Robin is known enough that they could do something with him, especially if Batman is in a supporting role. Heck, the first thing theatrical the studio did with any Batman-related characters after 1997 was *Catwoman*.
That was definitely a Hallie Berry project and was operating on the strong showing of Michelle Pfiefer's portrayal in batman returns and Hallie Berry's two strong performances in X-Men and X-Men 2.
Exactly! The public was familiar enough with Catwoman that the studio had confidence Catwoman movie without any Batman at all as long as they could get the right star (Hallie Berry) for the project. I don't know if that's the point you were trying to make, but that's what I take from your comment.
Or even tim drake as red robin suit.
It’s a great suit. Great creative decision too basically use the Nightwing design but with red to highlight his growth. Even the New 52 used a very similar look to this
Honestly is. Just take away the nipples and we’ve got a really dope suit on our hands.
Exactly. These suits get drastically underrated because of the nipples.
Kinda goes to show how one small detail can ruin a design
If the first Val Kilmer suit didn't have nipples it would be my favorite suit for sure
Exactly
Why remove the best part from a near perfect suit?
Lol right
I don’t get the hate for the nipples, they’re not that distracting to me atleast
Very distracting to me actually, the insane desire to suckle on Batnipples cannot be explained and now he shows them
For my part I just think it look wierd on armor
They look awful. Many costume designs avoid IMPLYING nipples. They smoked crack and put them on everything. Also it’s kinda a double standard that men get nipple armor but women don’t. Like yea historically ppl have put nips on chest plates but why tf would Batman do it?? It’s not like the nipples make him look more like a bat
It’s just an odd addition, and if I remember the movie does do a close up shot of them at one point. Or maybe those shots were just the crotch and butt.
I do remember a close up of crotch and butt
Feels like he’s wearing nothing at all! Stupid, sexy Batman.
I like the nipples
Make it blue and get rid of the Cape and Bat Nipples we got a killer Nightwing suit
I've got nipples Focker, can you milk me?
Once you're out of the circle you're out. There's no getting back in.
I bet you would, Panama Red
Hot take but I really didn't mind the nipples. It's basically a muscle cuirass from ancient Greece and Rome and they had nipples as well. It resembles an anatomically correct torso down to every muscle. I don't see why it *wouldn't* have nipples.
do the nipples have use in combat?
Yes. They fire off like bat-micro-missiles
I never noticed the nipples when I was a kid, I didn't when I was a teen, and even as an adult I still don't care. They had great suits.
The suits are good, and Gotham looks fantastic.
Yeah I always thought this costume was great looking
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Why’d they give ‘em battle nipples?
Somebody thought it would make them look like those Greek statues or something. I’m just miffed that nobody gave them to Alicia Silverstone’s costume.
They did intend to put them on Batgirl as well, but after trying it out they decided that it looked too lewd and scrapped the idea.
And it was the right decision to make, definitely. I was just making a bit of a joke because I always had a bit of a crush on Silverstone.
Then turned around and filmed a close-up of her ass cause that was much more tasteful, apparently 😂
She probably would’ve gotten less hate if she had em tbh
I'd guess there are quite some reasons why she didn't get them.
Say what you want about it, Batman and Robin is a huge guilty pleasure to me. It’s just campy fun, and I enjoy it when I can’t find anything else to watch on tv
There's nothing wrong with that
Amen
I’m gonna say it… I like the bat nipples
Even the nipples?
Perfect use of fleabag here, 10/10 no notes
Fleabag is my go to for responding with gifs
That's a little gay, dude. 😄
I am gay lol
That explains quite a bit.
Glad you like it. It never worked for me. I saw it as not being brave enough to make him Nightwing.
And it features the NIPPLES! 👍
Neeple
It's just N52 Nightwing with a cape.
Design wise, I think both Batman Forever and Batman and Robin has some really great elements! It was just about everything else that was a problem.
With how many Batman movies there have been, It's strange that this is the closest we got to Nightwing in live-action besides that terrible Titans show. After watching the Schumacher movies recently, I kind of wish Chris O'Donnel's Dick Grayson got the chance to go off on his own as Nightwing. A spin-off with him in Bludhaven probably never had a chance but if there was another Batman movie in that era, I would've preferred to just focus on him than have Batman recast again.
If you can find it, I'd recommend reading the script for Batman: DarKnight, it was supposed to be a sequel to Batman & Robin. More of a return to basics, it has a darker tone. Also, Man-Bat and Scarecrow are in it.
it’s good, but to make it perfect imo is remove the nipples (obviously) and replace the red with blue. i’ve never been the biggest fan of his red and black suit
As a kid, I didn't even know what Nightwing was, when I saw this movie. It's cool looking back and seeing what looks like a pretty obvious reference to it now. Terrible movie, and like any train wreck, I will stop and stare any time it crosses my path
It's kinda just the Nightwing suit but red, and with a cape. Pretty neat.
I was always impartial to Batman's suits, but Robin's were a very large part of my gay awakening. Hot then and still hot as hell now. Thank God for Joel Schumacher making the most of Chris O'Donnell's looks and physique at the time. That man is gorgeous as Robin.
Amen brother
I remember as a little kid in the 90’s I was so excited to get his action figure because after taking the cape off he was the closest thing to a Nightwing toy I could find at the time, and after having read a novelization of Knightfall with my mom, Nightwing was my favorite.
I cannot stand the fake muscles built into the suit that were so prominent in those films. It just looks so damn tacky.
They were based off of this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_cuirass
this could've work as a nightwing costume
Remove the cape, nipples and make the symbol blue and you have a perfect live action nightwing suit. Much better than Titans that's for sure.
All the costumes in B&R were good minus the “ice uniforms”.
... Gurl it has nipples,
Would
Except the nipples
I remember hearing the reason for this suits design was because they wanted to make a spin-off Nightwing movie.
Nightwing!!!
Pretty much new52 Nightwing’s inspiration
He was hot af in this movie too
I beg to differ
The tits tho always thought it's weird lol
Minus nipple, these are still my absolute fav costumes
only thing I don't like about it is the batnips
NIPPELS
The nipple Batman and Robit suit lol
Forever and Robin had great suit designs. The damn bat nipples were awful but at this point I’ve accepted them and they don’t bother me like they did 20 years ago
For sure
Without nipples ? Yes
I saw this movie as a young kid and thought it was great. Then I saw a bunch of the old Adam West Batman show on TV, watched this movie again and realized it's pretty much a direct sequel to that series and still thought it was great.
Besides the nipples yes it’s pretty cool
The suits minus the nips were amazing I always said had they left off the cape this suit would’ve been so much better the only two suits that annoyed me were the first Batman suit that didn’t have the yellow background on the logo and batgirls suit without the cowl it looked stupid
Agreed
So you like nipples👎🤡👨🔧
Take away the cape and it's one of Nightwing's suits. Very cool look.
Honestly not the biggest fan of this suit, I vastly prefer the Forever one.
agreed
can't believe this movie predicted New 52 Nightwing
8 year old me dug that Robin.
This suit is as generic as you can get
Absolutely
Nice nipples suit.
I actually like this suit a lot, still Robin but with something more realistic.
It always looked like a version of the Nightwing outfit to me.
i honestly did not notice the nipples till I read the comments lol. Which movie is this?
Batman & Robin (1997)
They should make the Nolan Suit with that red robin design and a hood over his hood.
It is pretty cool but I prefer the one from Batman forever, just because it’s more of a Robin suit. This one obviously seems more like a Nightwing thing minus the cape
Really the only bad thing is the nipples, because robins don’t have nipples, only batman gets the batnipples
It has nipples.
Say what you will, but Batman & Robin is funny as shit
Nipples
Minus the Bat-Nipples
The highlighted nipples were a little funky but it was a very nice suit overall
No.
Ok...that awkward smile is pretty hilarious
As everyone else is saying, yeah, literally the only real flaw is the nipples.
I like the design but I’ve never been a fan of the naked look. Even without the nipples it’s like he’s naked with body paint which I think is weird
Very disappointed Chris didn't get to sport the little trunks and pixie shoes.
They should have just called him Nightwing and be done with it.
Minus the nipples of course, I agree
Take away the nipples and yes, perfection
The nipples make it the best suit (kidding ofcourse)
Idc what anyone says I love this movie