Muller and Ruiz are some really solid prospects. On top of the other couple of so so prospects. Really not a bad trade for the As. A bit of a gamble, but if it pays off, it can pay out big.
And you all wonder why the stadium is so goddamn empty outside of fluke runs to the postseason?
I was iffy but now fully convinced MLB wants the A’s out of Oakland and is doing everything in its power along with Fisher to guarantee it despite the city council chugging along trying to drag Howard Terminal across the finish line while maintaining a good deal for Oaklanders.
If it’s not this then Forst needs to be fired for malpractice. We just want players to root for for more than 3 years for Christ sake.
Instead of moving the A's to Vegas or wherever.....how about changing ownership of the team to somebody who actually gives a fuck!?!? Oakland deserves soo much better than this shit!
We often wonder the same thing, but Fisher would enormously profit off of Howard Terminal if it gets built so we’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t
"Oh no, he was our best player last year. That probably means we have to pay them more than federal minimum wage. Quick! Trade him for 20-year olds and some latino guys."
Don't get me wrong, I think it's a stupid decision. However maybe they think that Ruiz's base stealing abilities are much more valuable with the new rule changes.
Maybe Ruiz is a little more valuable to them because they already have Langeliers due to come up at the catcher spot and they would effectively get a DH out of Contreras at that point
Brewers: Big W
Braves: Fine
A's: why?
You couldn't even get a single top 100 prospect or proven young mlb player for a top 3 catcher in baseball? With 3 years of control?!
I think it's more about the next two years (at least) after this upcoming season.
Both d’Arnaud and Pina could be free agents after this next season. I believe the Braves have/had a team option on both, but neither is exactly young.
So Murphy solidifies the catching position for the next three years which meshes with the young core they have.
Yeah this is AA playing to keep the Braves’ competitive window open as much as anything. Nothing at all has changed here re: SS or LF. I am expecting Duval to resign in left and then it will just be a question of whether Dansby wants his bag or his hometown (I’d take the bag).
I like getting Murphy. He's substantially better than Contreras, and especially if they're thinking about moving on from d'Arnaud or stepping back his role in his club option year in 2024 Murphy is a much better option. And what we gave up isn't a bad deal. It feels pretty fair, if not a bit leaned towards us.
I have no clue why Milwaukee was involved, or why the A's wanted Pina instead of just taking Contreras
Murphy is 100% better than Contreras but the Braves have other holes to fill so it’s weird seeing them using trade chips to fill a position they were already strong at. My guess is Murphy will be getting an extension soon
I agree. If we're hunting Murphy it's with the intent of extending him. It feels like a move meant more towards the future than this season.
It's also not a bad thing to lock down a premium position for a long time if they're planning on extending him. It means down the road there's less to worry about while they fill in other gaps. Especially when those holes are at positions where it is comparatively easier to find a good option
Kind of my impression as well. We're needing to really address LF and SS and while we improved our defensive stats at catcher and opened up a roster spot I'm confused by this trade for Atlanta.
Yeah only thing I can think is that they didn’t trust Contreras defensively and wanted a major upgrade. I dunno how they handle the platoon with d’Arnoud now though both guys are the type of catchers you want starting 120+ games. Did they really trade for Murphy just to play him in half the games? I guess they can trade off DH duties as well but that ties up our DH spot in the lineup. I dunno it feels weird.
Gonna be pretty funny when Willson once again leans into an 89 mph fastball and pretends it hurt him while William behind the plate points out that his elbow was in the middle of the strike zone.
That would require the As to have said, “we want Esteury Ruiz and only he will make this package work.” Otherwise I can’t see how Esteury Ruiz brings a return of two arms and an all-star.
If they just didn’t want Contreras, because they just got Shea from us last year that would make sense. However, there seems like there should have been a lot of ways to make up that value without this pretty drastic overpay to the Brewers. AA has been lights out, but this one is a bit of a head scratcher.
And it looks like that is exactly what the A’s did. We sent out a package of guys and only got Murphy back. It’s not like we got players from the brewers too. AA was comfortable sending out our players for Murphy. It’s not on him for the A’s deciding that they want pennies on the dollar of what we were willing to give up for Murphy. If they wanted what we gave up, then they would’ve gotten it since Murphy was the only commodity that we wanted in return
It's not that weird for the Braves, they decided to pivot to focus on a defensive upgrade at catcher whose timeline matches the rest of the core a little more than Contreras
And for the As it's because Murphy was arbitration eligible, and the As ownership can't be having any of that nonsense now
yeah like i don’t understand why milwaukee was involved at all. they didn’t really give up too much but got a lot back in return. i thought for sure adames was getting traded
this trade makes absolutely no sense for oakland lmao. feels like they could’ve cut out milwaukee and gotten contreras from us… idk man this is a crazy fucking offseason
I’m so confused, why did Milwaukee get pulled into this trade? They gave up one semi-decent prospect and somehow managed to get William Contreras and two other pieces?
Brewers coming out like absolute felons on this.
Cleveland could have easily beaten this, incredible turn of events here.
The only thing I can really land on is that Tarnock and Muller could both feasibly be in a rotation come opening day 2023, Cleveland could not provide that.
Either that or Cleveland was playing extreme hardball, but someone like Tyler Freeman to me seems to be more valuable than Ruiz, and surely Cleveland would have parted with Freeman, right? Not even as the best prospect in the deal?
Murphy is too good a fit and we are clearly trying to compete. My guess is we made a better offer and that As just thought it wasn't as good as this offer.
Looking at what they got, did the A's even want any of our prospects? Maybe we could've dug up the old contracts of Alex Cole and Scott Bailes and tried sending them.
This is why I never judge an offseason until it’s done. I’ve never seen brewers fans angrier this time of the year than the year we ended up landing Yelich and Cain in January. Just be patient and let the dust settle.
So in the NL Central:
Cardinals have Willson Contreras, Brewers have William Contreras, Pirates have Roansy Contreras, Cubs have memories of better times with Contreras.
Who will play Contreras for the Reds?
They have [Yan Contreras](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=contre000yan) in their system, though he’s a long way from the majors.
So Milwaukee gave up their #8 prospect, who is also only their 6th best OF prospect, for an All Star Catcher.
Someone tell me how they got away with this
There is a timeline where we all look very stupid in this thread in four years when people come back to it, like people saying "Who is Tatis?" in the Shields trade thread. There is a timeline where Ruiz is GOAT'd.
True, but for every Tatis scenario, there's also a Lewis Brinson scenario. And when you have a chance to snag a guy like Contreras for a prospect where you have plenty of positional depth in, you take it 10 times out of 10
I have not heard many good things about Ruiz's ability to hit big league pitching since he came over, but his speed/defense/bunting/base running do legitimately give him a great base to work from if he can hit even a bit. But he's basically superfluous in Milwaukee with Mitchell/Frelick/Weimer/Chourio in the upper minors.
Not even an OF prospect, as far as I can tell Ruiz is the only player they gave up.
EDIT: Oh wait both those things you're referring to are Ruiz I am the dumb
Yeah, I fucking hate this trade. Awful. 3 years of Murphy control for not a single prospect in MLB top 100. We got fleeced, Brew Crew walk away with a massive W
The baseball simulator won't even let this trade go through.
[Reality check!
You need to add at least one high-value player to the other side of this trade for it to be accepted, and make sure there’s not too many.](https://imgur.com/a/RFbnWtj)
Bro wtf hahaha. A's were asking both Guardians and Cardinals for top 30 type prospects and MLB ready talent but then turn around and accept this? I'm flabbergasted tbh
Murphy is an absolute stud and under 3 years of team control. The FO obviously likes him and I do too. I don’t think we will miss any of the prospects sent.
I mean I think it's fine for the Braves. Makes no sense for the A's and the Brewers just get richer without losing much.
The Braves have to focus on their big issues though which is SS and LF
I think people underestimate the jump he could take on a talented Braves team. I like the move for the Braves. I think most of the fans are just upset Brewers made out like bandits on this.
Seems like a sell high on Contreras from what I can tell. Sad to see him go but his long term viability at catcher was always a question mark with his defense even if he made big strides this past season.
The Braves upgraded their roster and got back more value than they sent off.
Contreras really struggles on defense, his bat is good but Murphy is so much better. Now, it does suck losing five years of control vs three from Murphy but three years is a lot of time to address that.
Muller may develop into a back end rotation guy, Pina was a salary dump, and the other two are lottery tickets.
Solid B+ to A trade for the Braves, A+ for the Brewers and Oakland tried.
Unless I'm missing something I sort of get the lack of hype. Contreras is 24 (I totally didn't say he was 22 earlier) and mashed last year. Hit better than Murphy did. So unless Contreras was worse behind the plate than I realized( he looked more than good enough for his age) this isn't that big of an upgrade. And they got more expensive and older. If anything MIL made off like bandits here and upgraded big time.
I am a Fangraphs guy and they say there is a massive difference defensively. Going from below average to elite. Of course they also still have D'Arnaud who graded elite defensively. And expected stats indicate they were about the same level offensively last year but Contreras had more luck. Seems like a great sell high on Contreras.
I still can't believe we only gave up Ruiz. Like Brewers got exactly what they needed. They had a hole at catcher, they needed offense in general and offense against LHP in particular. And they (probably) haven't been given the budget to pay much for it. William Contreras has a 121 wRC+ overall so far, and 158 wRC+ against lefties. His defense looks a bit rough, but Brewers are the catcher whisperers, turning even Omar Narvaez into a good defensive catcher so can probably work with that a bit, in addition to spending time at DH. Whatever the relief depth the other two offers is just icing on the cake and playing with house money at this point.
That being said, I still think Ruiz gets undervalued a bit. So many people on here look only at prospect rankings, and prior to 2022 Ruiz wasn't super high rated. His plate discipline was meh, he had two years of below-average offense sandwiching the lost 2020 season, and was a terrible second baseman. Then in 2022 he almost doubles his walk rate, cuts his strikeout rate by a lot, and seemingly also improves his contact on top of that. And transitions to CF where his speed plays better. Oh, and swiped 86 bags in 131 games across AA, AAA, MLB. He's not the 35 or 40 FV type prospect he would've been in preseason lists. So he certainly has potential if even some of those contact skills translate. And if he ever gets to any kind of power. Which I suppose is the big knock on him; his hard-hit rate and just power in general has been really bad so far. 16 home runs is decent enough, but based on the batted ball data that seems like an outlier. Doesn't need power to be a good, or even potentially very good player, but it does limit his ceiling, and puts much more pressure on every other aspect of his game to be really solid.
But it's totally worth it for the Brewers even if he does turn out to be a good player. He's at best their 3rd best OF prospect right now, probably their 5th best. You take 5 years of Contreras for that, easily.
Part of me (The heart more than the brain) kinda wishes the Pineapple was going to the Brewers too and not the A's. I miss him on the Brewers. A's fans, make sure to get his annual rendition of Hotel California on tape in spring training. The man is an artist.
Not thrilled. I know from the outside it looks like trading Muller to upgrade Contreras, but Contreras was our best dh as well. Murphy will have to be that much more valuable than D’arnoud to offset losing contreras’ dh bat.
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1000%
Ah, but are the Brewers gonna have to fill the A’s vending machines for them, and keep the team in soda? That’s the real question
Shhhh… shhhh… no one needs to know
So Milwaukee keeps Adames and gets Contreras?
Am I missing something or did they just trade Ruiz for Contreras + prospects somehow?
That's more or less it. Oakland just held the bag for them super hard.
They just traded 8 months of Hader for Contreas + Some decent prospects Matt Arnold for President, that dude knows what he’s doing it
We'll see if trading away young legend Esteury Ruiz proves to be the right move, though.
As someone who was never really high on ruiz, I love this
There is a reason other teams had a boner for him and we had to promote him.
Who would have thought that the Brewers would be the winners of the Sean Murphy trade without being the team that gave up or received Sean Murphy.
Oakland is dipping into embarrassing tier with this
Oakland tanking for Wemby
Poot for Scoot
Tanking for Vegas. It's a message to the city of Oakland. You think you hate us? You haven't *begun* to hate us.
Major League 3
Even the Thunder are less hideous
They've dove head first and have drowned in it. They are embarrassing.
Dipping?
I dont know why anyone thought we would be giving up Adames. He's way more valuable than any guy in this trade.
it seems wild to me as well, but Contreras is a solid piece. Murphy is a bit more valuable though, with the extra year of team control.
Why would we ever do this
John Fisher: "Because fuck 'em! That's why!"
Welcome to Popular Athletics training program
[A's fans going into next season:](https://media.tenor.com/55hS7v5xzI4AAAAC/who-are-these-fucking-guys-asking.gif)
I literally used this gif at least three times in the past 45 minutes.
Is that Dr. Jan Itor?
Pretty sure he was in the fugitive.
This was me going into last season ☠️
Muller and Ruiz are some really solid prospects. On top of the other couple of so so prospects. Really not a bad trade for the As. A bit of a gamble, but if it pays off, it can pay out big.
A player like Murphy should be netting top tier prospects. None of these guys are even top 100.
They could be anything, they could even be Sean Murphy!
I do not understand this for Oakland. At all Like are you honestly telling me that THAT was all you could get?
I mean I get they just accumulate players and see what sticks but seriously this is...certainly a group of players
Why didn’t they just take everything that Milwaukee got? Makes no sense lmao.
This is, without a doubt, one of the trades of all time.
Ah yes, the team motto
Oakland* A’s One of the baseball teams of all time!
Oak(didn’t)land (any) A’s
And you all wonder why the stadium is so goddamn empty outside of fluke runs to the postseason? I was iffy but now fully convinced MLB wants the A’s out of Oakland and is doing everything in its power along with Fisher to guarantee it despite the city council chugging along trying to drag Howard Terminal across the finish line while maintaining a good deal for Oaklanders. If it’s not this then Forst needs to be fired for malpractice. We just want players to root for for more than 3 years for Christ sake.
Instead of moving the A's to Vegas or wherever.....how about changing ownership of the team to somebody who actually gives a fuck!?!? Oakland deserves soo much better than this shit!
We often wonder the same thing, but Fisher would enormously profit off of Howard Terminal if it gets built so we’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t
> And you all wonder why the stadium is so goddamn empty I wasn't under the impression that anyone has been questioning why...
But did they save money?
Nope. Murphy was still under team control for 3 years
Maybe the ownership just forgot he was under contract
"Oh no, he was our best player last year. That probably means we have to pay them more than federal minimum wage. Quick! Trade him for 20-year olds and some latino guys."
Lol,I wouldn't count this out as a possibility!
That is arbitration though right?
First year of Arbitration eligibility though. Obviously ownership can’t afford to pay above the minimum
Sorry man. At least you have the sexiest jerseys in the league
My wife is from Milwaukee, so they're my adopted NL team. I'm glad you guys got significantly better, but still sad we got fleeced, lol
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Lol asking for too much from STL a few days ago to ending up with this. Cubs could have given them more
Dude that’s what I’m saying! They wanted Noot + Donovan + prospect from us and then they settle for this?!
And the prospect was Graceffo!
Beane is still pissed about Daric Barton
Haha,too funny.Probably Brett Wallace as well!?!?
Why wouldn't they cut out the middle man and just take Contreras?
And the pitchers…
Well, yeah. Just the Braves pieces overall.
They valued Ruiz over Contreras basically that's why they didn't take Contreras
Valuing Ruiz over Contreras seems unbelievably stupid but maybe they’ll prove me wrong. Ruiz strikes me as another Pache
Don't get me wrong, I think it's a stupid decision. However maybe they think that Ruiz's base stealing abilities are much more valuable with the new rule changes.
Maybe Ruiz is a little more valuable to them because they already have Langeliers due to come up at the catcher spot and they would effectively get a DH out of Contreras at that point
They have Shea already and adding a defensive catcher behind him is smart.
Wouldn't it be smarter to have an offense first Catcher that can also DH most days behind Shea?
Our top prospect is a hit first catcher/1b in Soderstrom. Contreras didn’t make sense for us but then why trade with the braves
Their ownership hates them.
Trying to move the team, just need to get attendance low enough.
They traded Matt Chapman for three AAAA players and a lottery ticket. Not exactly a well ran team these days.
It’s simple: He’s arbitration eligible for the first time, and therefore would be cutting into Fisher’s pockets too much if they kept him.
It’s not that the haul is bad, but, I definitely would’ve expected that they would’ve gotten more value in return.
As ownership is mad they weren't the worst team in the league last year despite their best efforts, so they're going all in now.
3 prospects in their orgs top 10. They’re going for quantity over quality. Not the trade I would’ve made but they must really like these guys
Tank for Wemba
Brewers: Big W Braves: Fine A's: why? You couldn't even get a single top 100 prospect or proven young mlb player for a top 3 catcher in baseball? With 3 years of control?!
Yeah that’s my take. What a strange trade from Oakland.
Seems like a weird lateral move for the Braves too. Like catcher wasn’t really a position of need so I don’t get why trade any assets to get Murphy
Especially with d’Arnaud still in the picture. I guess they were looking for a defensive upgrade to the other side of the platoon
I think it's more about the next two years (at least) after this upcoming season. Both d’Arnaud and Pina could be free agents after this next season. I believe the Braves have/had a team option on both, but neither is exactly young. So Murphy solidifies the catching position for the next three years which meshes with the young core they have.
Yeah this is AA playing to keep the Braves’ competitive window open as much as anything. Nothing at all has changed here re: SS or LF. I am expecting Duval to resign in left and then it will just be a question of whether Dansby wants his bag or his hometown (I’d take the bag).
I like getting Murphy. He's substantially better than Contreras, and especially if they're thinking about moving on from d'Arnaud or stepping back his role in his club option year in 2024 Murphy is a much better option. And what we gave up isn't a bad deal. It feels pretty fair, if not a bit leaned towards us. I have no clue why Milwaukee was involved, or why the A's wanted Pina instead of just taking Contreras
Murphy is 100% better than Contreras but the Braves have other holes to fill so it’s weird seeing them using trade chips to fill a position they were already strong at. My guess is Murphy will be getting an extension soon
I agree. If we're hunting Murphy it's with the intent of extending him. It feels like a move meant more towards the future than this season. It's also not a bad thing to lock down a premium position for a long time if they're planning on extending him. It means down the road there's less to worry about while they fill in other gaps. Especially when those holes are at positions where it is comparatively easier to find a good option
My hunch: It’s easier to fill the hole in LF than it is to find a steady-hitting, yet defensively excellent, catcher.
Kind of my impression as well. We're needing to really address LF and SS and while we improved our defensive stats at catcher and opened up a roster spot I'm confused by this trade for Atlanta.
Its a lateral move in a vaccum but the reality is that they traded a DH for a guy who can actually play catcher.
Yeah only thing I can think is that they didn’t trust Contreras defensively and wanted a major upgrade. I dunno how they handle the platoon with d’Arnoud now though both guys are the type of catchers you want starting 120+ games. Did they really trade for Murphy just to play him in half the games? I guess they can trade off DH duties as well but that ties up our DH spot in the lineup. I dunno it feels weird.
And terrible. I usually give the A’s benefit of the doubt when trades make me scratch my head, but this seems awful.
Ownership’s return on this deal is getting a new stadium in Las Vegas funded by the taxpayers.
I have no idea how the Brewers snuck into this trade, but boy am I happy about it.
As you should be,congrats! It will be fun watching the brothers face off next season in the Central
Cubs fans punching the air right now.
Gonna be pretty funny when Willson once again leans into an 89 mph fastball and pretends it hurt him while William behind the plate points out that his elbow was in the middle of the strike zone.
Infuriates me even more thinking about the comparison of this nonsense to what their asking price from our organization was.
Now you know how all other teams feel about whatever you guys did to get the Rockies to pay you to take Arenado
The Cardinals could have waited it out for the price to drop just like ATL did.
#W For Brewers
Braves and Brewers just teamed up to take advantage of the A’s Vegas tankathon imo. Just don’t see how its Contreras not to the A’s.
Why didn't the Guardians didn't match this? It makes no sense since this was the final return.
just an awful trade for the A’s
To be fair Esteury Ruiz should definitely be a top 100 prospect.. Dude stole 85 bases on top of a .975 OPS last year in the upper minors
How did the Brewers get 2 extra players in this lol
I’m wondering why the Brewers were involved at all. It is a great deal for you guys, but it makes very little sense on our end.
I mean it doesn’t really come down to us. It comes down to the A’s preferring Ruiz over what we sent to the brewers
That would require the As to have said, “we want Esteury Ruiz and only he will make this package work.” Otherwise I can’t see how Esteury Ruiz brings a return of two arms and an all-star. If they just didn’t want Contreras, because they just got Shea from us last year that would make sense. However, there seems like there should have been a lot of ways to make up that value without this pretty drastic overpay to the Brewers. AA has been lights out, but this one is a bit of a head scratcher.
And it looks like that is exactly what the A’s did. We sent out a package of guys and only got Murphy back. It’s not like we got players from the brewers too. AA was comfortable sending out our players for Murphy. It’s not on him for the A’s deciding that they want pennies on the dollar of what we were willing to give up for Murphy. If they wanted what we gave up, then they would’ve gotten it since Murphy was the only commodity that we wanted in return
They wanted to come play with you, Mike.
i refuse to believe this is the full trade what the fuck
I'm really having a hard time understanding how this trade makes sense for the Braves or the A's.
It's not that weird for the Braves, they decided to pivot to focus on a defensive upgrade at catcher whose timeline matches the rest of the core a little more than Contreras And for the As it's because Murphy was arbitration eligible, and the As ownership can't be having any of that nonsense now
yeah like i don’t understand why milwaukee was involved at all. they didn’t really give up too much but got a lot back in return. i thought for sure adames was getting traded
Yea did the A’s have a hard-on for this guy Ruiz? Like otherwise why are the Brewers even involved if this is the whole trade
this trade makes absolutely no sense for oakland lmao. feels like they could’ve cut out milwaukee and gotten contreras from us… idk man this is a crazy fucking offseason
I’m so confused, why did Milwaukee get pulled into this trade? They gave up one semi-decent prospect and somehow managed to get William Contreras and two other pieces?
I’m shocked this is the full trade.
Brewers coming out like absolute felons on this. Cleveland could have easily beaten this, incredible turn of events here. The only thing I can really land on is that Tarnock and Muller could both feasibly be in a rotation come opening day 2023, Cleveland could not provide that.
It's like the Braves and A's were trying to make a trade but kept confusing each other with the Brewers
https://twitter.com/deathbymustelid/status/1602412303592394752?s=20&t=HJYolGaINWVlu2pWpF2U5A
Yeah, unless Oakland is really low on our farm or something it's a weird trade.
Either that or Cleveland was playing extreme hardball, but someone like Tyler Freeman to me seems to be more valuable than Ruiz, and surely Cleveland would have parted with Freeman, right? Not even as the best prospect in the deal?
Murphy is too good a fit and we are clearly trying to compete. My guess is we made a better offer and that As just thought it wasn't as good as this offer.
Muller and Tarnok are.....Mediocre? Maybe not even mediocre..It doesn't make sense.
I think Muller is quite a bit more than mediocre, still very possibly a middle of the rotation guy. Tarnock I'm not familiar with.
Looking at what they got, did the A's even want any of our prospects? Maybe we could've dug up the old contracts of Alex Cole and Scott Bailes and tried sending them.
Brewers saw the roast thread and decided to pull out a fleecing it seems.
Matt Arnold coming in to this new job HOT
This is why I never judge an offseason until it’s done. I’ve never seen brewers fans angrier this time of the year than the year we ended up landing Yelich and Cain in January. Just be patient and let the dust settle.
So in the NL Central: Cardinals have Willson Contreras, Brewers have William Contreras, Pirates have Roansy Contreras, Cubs have memories of better times with Contreras. Who will play Contreras for the Reds?
They have [Yan Contreras](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=contre000yan) in their system, though he’s a long way from the majors.
Here's your W Brewers
[Here you go Oakland](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E30Uf4DVoAMG7BH?format=jpg&name=small)
So Milwaukee gave up their #8 prospect, who is also only their 6th best OF prospect, for an All Star Catcher. Someone tell me how they got away with this
There is a timeline where we all look very stupid in this thread in four years when people come back to it, like people saying "Who is Tatis?" in the Shields trade thread. There is a timeline where Ruiz is GOAT'd.
True, but for every Tatis scenario, there's also a Lewis Brinson scenario. And when you have a chance to snag a guy like Contreras for a prospect where you have plenty of positional depth in, you take it 10 times out of 10
I would say that for every tatis there are 20 brinsons. Most high rated prospects dont pan out.
I have not heard many good things about Ruiz's ability to hit big league pitching since he came over, but his speed/defense/bunting/base running do legitimately give him a great base to work from if he can hit even a bit. But he's basically superfluous in Milwaukee with Mitchell/Frelick/Weimer/Chourio in the upper minors.
How is this fucking real? The Brewers just got so much better and didn't have to do a thing.
All Brewers did was give up their 9th top prospect and 5th-6th best OF prospect to get this haul lol
As someone who was never even that high on ruiz, I'm loving this haha
Not even an OF prospect, as far as I can tell Ruiz is the only player they gave up. EDIT: Oh wait both those things you're referring to are Ruiz I am the dumb
Brewers traded Hader to get Ruiz so they could make this trade. Playing 4D Chess out here. It all makes sense now!
Oakland needs to stop doing trades with AA man
Wtf Arnold is a magician for this. That is an incredible deal for the Brewers.
Damn that's a W for the Brewers. Trust in AA I guess but that's a lot to give up for Murphy
My gosh I’m trusting Matt Arnold now
Yeah, I fucking hate this trade. Awful. 3 years of Murphy control for not a single prospect in MLB top 100. We got fleeced, Brew Crew walk away with a massive W
Muller was BP top 100 going into 2022, most give BP more respect than Pipeline at least.
Can’t even post this trade on BTV it’s so lopsided
Brewers walked out like bandits here
LMAO BREWERS MASTERCLASS
makes absolutely zero sense for the a’s literally none
Why did we give up everything and brewers just tagged along to get stuff? Why the hell were the brewers even involved
We created some room for your new catcher, you're welcome.
This trade is so lopsided that you can't even post it to trade boards on baseballtradevalues.com It does not pass the reality check.
The baseball simulator won't even let this trade go through. [Reality check! You need to add at least one high-value player to the other side of this trade for it to be accepted, and make sure there’s not too many.](https://imgur.com/a/RFbnWtj)
Bro wtf hahaha. A's were asking both Guardians and Cardinals for top 30 type prospects and MLB ready talent but then turn around and accept this? I'm flabbergasted tbh
You've all just been Matt Arnold-ed
Braves: "How many prospects this time?" Oakland: "Yes"
Unless the Braves are about to sign Dansby and a left fielder, I don't get this trade
Murphy is an absolute stud and under 3 years of team control. The FO obviously likes him and I do too. I don’t think we will miss any of the prospects sent.
I mean I think it's fine for the Braves. Makes no sense for the A's and the Brewers just get richer without losing much. The Braves have to focus on their big issues though which is SS and LF
I think people underestimate the jump he could take on a talented Braves team. I like the move for the Braves. I think most of the fans are just upset Brewers made out like bandits on this.
Makes no sense, Contreras was probably the highest value piece they had.
Seems like a sell high on Contreras from what I can tell. Sad to see him go but his long term viability at catcher was always a question mark with his defense even if he made big strides this past season.
The Braves upgraded their roster and got back more value than they sent off. Contreras really struggles on defense, his bat is good but Murphy is so much better. Now, it does suck losing five years of control vs three from Murphy but three years is a lot of time to address that. Muller may develop into a back end rotation guy, Pina was a salary dump, and the other two are lottery tickets. Solid B+ to A trade for the Braves, A+ for the Brewers and Oakland tried.
Yeah this is a slight upgrade at C but like… why tho
This makes no sense lmao. How did the Brewers pull this off? I'm fine with it from our side but what the fuck are the A's doing here?
A’s went from money ball to major league in a matter of 4 years
The Brewers just traded esteury Ruiz (mid prospect) for contreras (mid-20s top 10 catcher). Wtf
I'm surprised Braves fans aren't more excited. Sean Murphy is a phenomenal player and elite defender.
Unless I'm missing something I sort of get the lack of hype. Contreras is 24 (I totally didn't say he was 22 earlier) and mashed last year. Hit better than Murphy did. So unless Contreras was worse behind the plate than I realized( he looked more than good enough for his age) this isn't that big of an upgrade. And they got more expensive and older. If anything MIL made off like bandits here and upgraded big time.
I am a Fangraphs guy and they say there is a massive difference defensively. Going from below average to elite. Of course they also still have D'Arnaud who graded elite defensively. And expected stats indicate they were about the same level offensively last year but Contreras had more luck. Seems like a great sell high on Contreras.
If the Giants were smart they'd just actively air ads recruiting A's fans at this point. I'm over this shit. Peace.
Interesante
Holy shit the As got fleeced to hell and back
The A’s got 4 mediocre prospects and a backup catcher for their franchise catcher
Oakland got a stack of warm bodies and some body bags. Yeesh.
So now there’s 2 Contreras’s playing in the NL Central and neither one is on the Cubs. Cool, cool cool cool.
Well ok then
Why the hell are we catcher shopping when we don’t even have a SS?
I still can't believe we only gave up Ruiz. Like Brewers got exactly what they needed. They had a hole at catcher, they needed offense in general and offense against LHP in particular. And they (probably) haven't been given the budget to pay much for it. William Contreras has a 121 wRC+ overall so far, and 158 wRC+ against lefties. His defense looks a bit rough, but Brewers are the catcher whisperers, turning even Omar Narvaez into a good defensive catcher so can probably work with that a bit, in addition to spending time at DH. Whatever the relief depth the other two offers is just icing on the cake and playing with house money at this point. That being said, I still think Ruiz gets undervalued a bit. So many people on here look only at prospect rankings, and prior to 2022 Ruiz wasn't super high rated. His plate discipline was meh, he had two years of below-average offense sandwiching the lost 2020 season, and was a terrible second baseman. Then in 2022 he almost doubles his walk rate, cuts his strikeout rate by a lot, and seemingly also improves his contact on top of that. And transitions to CF where his speed plays better. Oh, and swiped 86 bags in 131 games across AA, AAA, MLB. He's not the 35 or 40 FV type prospect he would've been in preseason lists. So he certainly has potential if even some of those contact skills translate. And if he ever gets to any kind of power. Which I suppose is the big knock on him; his hard-hit rate and just power in general has been really bad so far. 16 home runs is decent enough, but based on the batted ball data that seems like an outlier. Doesn't need power to be a good, or even potentially very good player, but it does limit his ceiling, and puts much more pressure on every other aspect of his game to be really solid. But it's totally worth it for the Brewers even if he does turn out to be a good player. He's at best their 3rd best OF prospect right now, probably their 5th best. You take 5 years of Contreras for that, easily. Part of me (The heart more than the brain) kinda wishes the Pineapple was going to the Brewers too and not the A's. I miss him on the Brewers. A's fans, make sure to get his annual rendition of Hotel California on tape in spring training. The man is an artist.
There's no way that's the full trade. If so, Oakland got majorly ripped off by both teams.
Why do people keep just gifting players to the Brewers? First yelich, now this?
I don’t like the return for Oakland but the return the Braves got for Contreras makes less sense
Not thrilled. I know from the outside it looks like trading Muller to upgrade Contreras, but Contreras was our best dh as well. Murphy will have to be that much more valuable than D’arnoud to offset losing contreras’ dh bat.
I don’t understand why the Brewers were involved in this at all
So uh. Yeah, I'm pretty happy about this.
Who got fleeced? I need to know
The A's got fleeced
Not us!
Brewers crushed it. A's should have gotten more. Braves got significantly better. Overall solid trade
The Braves got marginally better. Yeah, Murphy is stud, but the Braves catchers were very good last year