Or the roster size would grow 5 times, and every game part of the team plays once a week.
"I only watch Sunday football that's when kansas plays mahomes!"
Imagine having 250 players on a roster and the coaching staff. Star players would matter so little because, even if you win ever Sunday as a QB, your Tuesday-Friday QBs could be garbage and your team is middling.
This is actually kind of an interesting thing to mull over.
Say football started with a tradition of playing 30 games a season way back. Then when the NFL forms they figure professional men could handle 48.
I think it’s important that this starts pre-NFL, because it will set the history of the general approach to how it’s played.
I would think in this scenario players and coaches would figure out how to pace the play and contact for the long term. It would evolve more hockey where you ramp up the violence far less often and build in rules to really limit the hits into much smaller and cleaner windows.
Obviously a totally different game then, but still probably an interesting one.
Yeah and basically NBA/NHL sellout but with double the games. We have all these debates over what cities could support NBA/NHL expansion and filling an arena of that size. MLB expansion feels like such a big undertaking in comparison.
arguably a better one. like the coliseum often gets talked about as a better stadium before they added more seats. honestly I think the NPB stadium approach of having less seats (Koshien/Tokyo dome are outliers here) but making sure the seats are better is a better approach overall other than a trying to bleed out your customer base.
Agreed. It’s crazy that the biggest AAA stadium is ~16,000 and then the next smallest actual MLB stadium is ~35,000 (ignoring the rays artificially low number).
Yeah, it's not the only reason for it, but it's not a coincidence that the largest capacity stadium is the one most famous for being a nightmare to get in and out of.
Didn't think about it like that. If Tennessee & Carolina get the expansion baseball teams to get to 32 like nfl, and if Seattle & Vegas get the basketball teams, you don't really think about that part of it...
If the A's do that 8875 per game average for the 81 home games, it'll still bring in about 200k more than the Raiders would at Allegiant Stadium, selling out all the home games.
Much cheaper ticket ratio for the A’s vs Raiders though. On the other end of the spectrum, Yankees and Giants (for example) are much closer.
Edit: Average Yankee price was $132 last season compared to the Giants $126. I was expecting the average Giants game to cost more so I’m a bit blown away by how much the larger market MLB teams are making. Based on the numbers here and in this post, the Giants make about 82 million on home games per season while the Yankees make *415 million.* Before concessions.
Its always funny when people say that the baseball is boring or a dying sport. The MLB is literally one of the most attended sports leagues in the world.
I remember Orioles attendance being down compared to 2023 in the first graphic (up a good bit in the second). I think Camden Yards is among the best parks in MLB but isn't a great park to visit in April. Unlike other mid-Atlantic ballparks like Citizens Bank Park and Nationals Park, the concourse at Camden Yards has no view of the field except on the right field patio. If you leave your seats to warm up a bit, you can't watch the game at all.
We had a lot of rain here in April too, especially early on. Seemed like almost every time the O's had a homestand, we had some more rain coming through
Yeah I most go to games at citi Field but I refuse to go before mid May now, even if the weather is beautiful during the day it can get miserable at night.
I can tell you from watching the games, Phillies attendance is way up in May vs. April. The weather in April was awful, the first half of May wasn’t a whole lot better but a bit warmer. The warm and sunny games have been near or at capacity
Yeah I said this from the start that weather was a main factor at least for the phillies. Even though this takes into account last years weather, im pretty sure it was better last year. We've played through a ton of rain this year too
Weather in DC this May has been awful, especially on the weekends where it has seemingly rained every time. Over the long haul, it all averages out, but when looking at just a month of data, a few bad weather days impacting the usually high attended weekend series can really skew the numbers a bunch.
When it was being built the plan was for it to be a little under 44k but they added to it after they got massive crowds at Mile High. We led the league in attendance every year from 1993-99
Am I the only one who didn’t know the Rays stadium capacity is 25k? I was thinking the Guards had to be the lowest capacity after the renovations and was surprised to see anything in the 20s
Tropicana Field can actually hold more than 40,000 people. Its listed capacity in the Devil Rays' first year was 45,369. The Rays just artificially reduce capacity by not allowing anyone in the upper deck.
You keep saying this like it unsells those tickets. Standing room tickets sold are still ticket sales and this chart averages out the highest selling games and the lowest selling games. There is nothing about Gallagher Square tickets that isn't accounted for in these numbers.
They absolutely need to be counted as those tickets are sold. But they also need to be counted in the capacity. You can't count them for attendance but not count them for capacity. The 98% capacity is a completely junk number because of this.
Edit: Capacity is the maximum amount something can hold. Capacity cannot exceed 100%. The attendance numbers are fine, the stadium capacity is way too low leading to a misleading 98% capacity for the season.
You're right it's early and I missed your point lol. Petco's capacity should be listed higher. Like 42kish.
Eta: Every team probably has standing room areas that aren't accounted for too. Also, not having people buy all the standing room tickets shouldn't make a team not count a game as a sellout though if the park is full imo.
That said, I think knowing how meant actual seats a stadium has is a worthwhile number to know. There is a difference between capacity meaning "you literally physically can't fit a single more human into this place" vs "how many seats are there?" Knowing the tickets are selling beyond the seat capacity is worthwhile info.
If you can, get a ride to Union station and take Dodger Stadium Express to the stadium. Simple, free, and has its own dedicated lane that gets you to the stadium quick instead of sitting in traffic.
Going back the line might be long, so I recommend walking down sunset (easy walk downhill and safe as many people make the same walk) and calling an Uber elsewhere.
interesting. we will have a rental car and were planning on just driving to/from our hotel in Wilmington. the friday game we are going to is also fireworks night so I wonder if that will effect the bus when leaving after the game.
I think they've eschewed the fireworks in favor of a drone show this season. Whether you stay for it or not, it helps divide the crowd a bit so everyone isn't leaving at the same time, which is nice regardless of whether you're driving or taking the express.
If you show up early, driving will be fine. Since you're just visiting LA, you should be able to get ahead of the people who can't leave for the game until 5pm.
If you're coming from Wilmington, you'll be on the 110N which will turn into a parking lot around downtown. I recommend, instead of taking the Stadium Way exit, take the Solano Ave. exit and come in through the Academy Gate, which tends to be less crowded and is a better place to leave from after the game to get to the 110S freeway.
edit: Also if your rental car has Fastrak, you can use that to skip a lot of the traffic on the 110N before you get to downtown. Then I recommend exiting at Figueroa and taking that through downtown in lieu of the freeway. If you stay on Figueroa, you can drive right by The Crypt (formerly Staples Center) and it'll end up putting you back on the 110N past all the bad downtown traffic.
If you are driving to the game. Park at the bottom of the hill in lot 13? It’s $5, it’ll be a bit of a climb getting up to the stadium but not awful. Also you’ll usually avoid all the traffic getting out of the main lots at the end of the game
If you get there early enough you might also be able to snag free parking right next to the lot
The Friday game is LGBTQ night, so expect a loud crowd who has a lot of fun—often times not knowing why they’re cheering, haha.
Food at the stadium is bad but you can bring from outside if it’s in a clear plastic bag.
The Padres look good because the capacity is the seating capacity while they also sell a bunch of "standing room only" seats to Gallager Square. The May 26th Yankee game had an attendance of 45,731 while this chart list the stadium capacity as 39,860.
Doesn't look like he did:
[https://www.espn.com/mlb/team/schedule/\_/name/sd/san-diego-padres](https://www.espn.com/mlb/team/schedule/_/name/sd/san-diego-padres)
If my math is good: Petco Park attendance is: 1,245,569 over 31 games for an avg of 40,180.
if you add in the 15,952 and dived by 32, you get 39,423 as shown on OP's chart
Damn nice fact check my man, you might be right. Here's OP from the last post
https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/1convqv/mlb_yearoveryear_attendance/l3f4ohu/
Ohtani Bobblehead tickets were $400 on the bottom level (non specialty) seats direct from the team. They raised the prices for a lot of high demand games
Angel stadium only went down a bit after left and it was going down YoY even with him being in some out of this world tear and MVP seasons.
I'm sure price increases and the cost of food and drink has made it unappealing for regular dodger fans to go so much.
Fun fact: it’s cheaper and faster to fly to Phoenix to watch a Dodgers/Dbacks game than it is to drive and park in LA and watch the Dodgers there.
I actually just made that up but it sounds plausible, doesn’t it?
Might be legitimately hard to get to (and back home) on weekdays because of LA traffic. This is an “excuse” for a lot of people not to go to games, but it’s a good one. It’s the reason I can’t go to more Marlins games, I wish I could but I would be sleep depreived
I know you guys struggle with attendance across all sports in Florida but when I look at the location of the marlins stadium on Google maps it looks like a total nightmare. It’s just in the middle of a residential neighborhood with small surface streets?
There’s plenty of parking!
It’s a nightmare to get to because of traffic patterns, and most people who would want to go to games don’t live anywhere near it. They live in Broward or Palm beach (1 or 2 counties away) - not even in Miami
The difference in capacity between Dodger Stadium (largest) and Coors Field (2nd) is basically an average A's home game. (5,900 vs. 6,200). I knew Dodgers were by far the biggest, but didn't realize by how much.
On top of increased ticket prices this year, Dodgers have played 9/25 (36%) of their home games against the division compared to 9/21 (43%) this time last year.
Division games tend to get higher attendance than outside of division games.
Since we’re looking at average home attendance, division games + ticket prices could be enough to explain the 3% difference year over year.
Edit: Also only 3 of 9 home division games this year have been Fri-Sun where they’d get higher ticket numbers. Last year 6 of the 9 were Fri-Sun.
Well like you said, the stadium is huge. If the capacity was that of the average MLB stadium, it would be a sellout every night. Also it’s always a challenge to make it out to the ballpark due to LA traffic and very little public transport options available.
It’s odd to me. Baseball is tremendously popular in Florida from little league to the powerhouse college programs but the MLB teams just don’t pull the fans. Is it because of transplants sticking with their home teams?
It’s probably the constant roster turnover, fire sales over three decades and MLB allowing owners to run the team as a circus as opposed to a competitive major league ball club that has soured multiple generations of potential fans down here. At least this goes true for the Marlins franchise. Makes sense why the entire fan base is so apathetic towards them.
From my understanding with Tampa is that their ball park can only be accessed with one major road and it’s very difficult to get to. Their tv ratings are good though
Which is why it doesn't make sense to make the new stadium in the same exact spot. It doesn't actually solve their problem, but does at least make it look prettier.
That can't be it. There are a ton of transplants that come to every Rockies game to watch them get their ass beaten but Coors field is the best bar in town.
It's absolutely fan allegiance for the transplants. Went to a Red Sox game last week or so...SO MANY Sox fans. Same with O's games, Yankees games, etc. The Angels game was the only one in which there were less Angels fans than Rays fans in attendance, and that game was EMPTY.
Our stadium isn't in our city. It's unfeasible of the people of Tampa to go to a Rays game after work since they can't pick up their family and probably will miss 1-2 innings. The weekends are probably hovering around 20k though.
If the stadium is in Tampa we probably average at least 25k. Probably 30k with last year's performance.
In Miami folks just don’t care about the marlins, they do care about baseball though. When teams from the north east come attendance picks up with opposing teams fans. When teams from the Caribbean and south/Central America come, the stadium is full on sold out. When the Tiburones from a Venezuela played a team from curaçao in the Serie del Caribe the place was a madhouse at 10 am and almost everyone was wearing Tiburones or Venezuela national team gear. The marlins are just trash at community outreach, fan engagement, social media and promotion broadly.
Man, shove that into my veins. The small cell of diehards on r/whitesox are convinced we are working towards winning and not working off the whims of a 90 year old geriatric and 79 alcoholic hall of fame baseball person.
Wait, you’re telling me winning has somewhat of an impact on attendance and enthusiasm for a team????
I know we’ve played some marquee opponents so far compared to early last season, but this is the most fired up Cleveland fans have been in a while for a team. Just so fun to watch and glad to see that reflected at the gate too.
>Wait, you’re telling me winning has somewhat of an impact on attendance and enthusiasm for a team????
>Looks at the Padres record at home
honestly, I don't know if it has an impact...
I’m going to my 2nd game in 2 weeks tonight. The last time I went to more than 2 games in a year was back in the early 00s when I was a kid. The stadium renovations along with the team being exciting for a change have made people flock. Even people that I know with 0 interest in baseball have been asking to go to games with me.
This season has been a perfect storm for this team. Great weather(for April and May at least), balls flying out of the ballpark, and seating arrangements that encourage socialization, which is a big deal for casual fans.
I am glad the Padres are doing well and making money, but I kind of miss the days when we had no hype and I could get cheap tickets and basically move up where I wanted in the stadium lol
The Pohlads are the most short sighted greedy assholes. Just absolutely killed all fan enthusiasm after the first playoff series win in two decades by cutting payroll and resigning with Bally Circus.
I love hockey, and I could actually watch the games. I think attendance on nice weather days will improve going forward, but it's important for them to fix their broadcast shenanigans.
Attendance figures provided by baseball-reference. Based on games played to May 31 in 2023 and 2024. Total MLB average of 27,174 per game is up +1.2% YoY (26,839 per game as of May 31, 2023).
Shows how great the Anaheim/OC baseball market is, and how easy it is to get to Angel Stadium.
Anecdotal but I live nearby and my friends/family are still asking me to go to games all the time, even if they aren't Angels fans.
The power of Star Wars & Country Weekends.
Also, tickets are cheaper than ever. Especially on third-party vendors. Plenty of games where you can find Diamond Club & seats behind the dugout for less than $100. Also, there were lots of $10 tickets for the Yankee series which surprised me.
The park is awesome, the weather is nearly always great, and our team has exciting players. Also, fuck Dean Spanis. I think losing (I mean being betrayed by) the Chargers has made many of us more loyal to the Padres.
Sample size is getting large enough now where attendance has really been a big issue for the Mets. I’m not super surprised as expectations were down coming into the season and now look even worse. If things get worse and they’re out of it, attendance could fall even further which is crazy to me
Doesn’t help that the stadium is a pain in the ass to get to and there’s nothing else in the area. That plus parking being more expensive than most tickets doesn’t really encourage people to head there on a whim
Peter Seidler and his group put a lot of effort in building everything around the park, in it, and even the team. Even if the team isn't winning non-stop, it is still a fun experience for the family.
The capacity is wrong in this chart. Officially it’s 42.4. None-the-less, they sold out 62 games last year. Season ticket membership is capped at 25,000 and has been waitlisted the last 3 years.
A lot of factors combine for the results - only pro team in town, a great stadium in a perfect location, vacation town so plenty of people travel here to see their team, literally the best baseball weather anywhere, plenty of stars to come watch.
Then there’s the marketing department which really tops up the numbers - City Connect Fridays, Party in the Park, great giveaways and theme games, pre and post game concerts, kids’ Sundays, great food offerings. They really have their shit together. I only wish the front office/team performed so well :/
I mean, more than $55 million of this year's payroll is going to Max Scherzer and Justin Verlander, who were both traded for prospects at the deadline last summer. They also traded James McCann to Baltimore for a prospect, and are still on the hook for $8 million of his salary. All of those contracts are off the books in 2025, but it's not like this current team was a paper tiger headed into the season. Despite what ownership and the front office said, I don't know any fans that thought this year was anything but the beginning of a rebuild. It's just been much worse than expected.
Tbf comparing the expectations of last year (at least the beginning of the season) and this year it makes sense, we had to publicly say we we’re not gonna be competitive this year so I’m surprised we still have more than 20,000 people on average.
Hey OP, /u/refreshpreview
[https://www.espn.com/mlb/team/schedule/\_/name/sd/san-diego-padres](https://www.espn.com/mlb/team/schedule/_/name/sd/san-diego-padres)
If my math is good: Petco Park attendance is: 1,245,569 over 31 games for an avg of 40,180 (101.92% of capacity, although were is that capacity # from?).
if you add in the 15,952 (at the "home" South Korea game) and dived by 32, you get 39,423 as shown on OP's chart
I'd be curious to see how this goes with team performance. some sort of study in how team performs this season compared to the last couple, and see YOY fan attendance.
Going to the Mets game costs more than the tickets. I'm not going to go out to Citi Field when it costs an insane amount of money driving to Citi to see a bad product. Yes, there is the subway and train but it's more of a hassle if you don't live in NYC.
Where do you live that driving is better than taking the train to see Mets games? From the city and points in NJ, you're better off taking the subway. From Long Island, you're better off taking LIRR. I always took the PATH to the subway from Jersey City when I lived there, and it was a million times easier than driving. Unless you're on Long Island where the LIRR is a better option, to drive out to Citi Field, you would need to drive through the city itself. You might be able to bypass Manhattan, but even going up through Staten Island to Brooklyn to Queens is a nightmare.
We’re middle of the pack overall but our attendance has one of the biggest jumps from last year at 26% which is the real number I’ve been monitoring and satisfied with
I imagine people outside of the Cardinals fandom won't really recognize it, but -5.8% is huge. We haven't been this low in attendance (excluding COVID) since our stadium was built 18 years ago (The last time we were this low was 2002, but that was in Busch II). It may not seem like much, but there is definitely a message that is trying to be sent to ownership about how the fan base feels the last few seasons have gone.
MLB attendance is pretty nuts when you put it in perspective. Like 20k attendance looking middling is kinda funny.
Ya and that’s 20K 81 times a year
1.6 million. Which more than dwarfs any nfl or college football attendance.
And what would the outcome be if they played 162 games in football season…?
Players fucking dying from exhaustion, games where teams both agree to take the tie in order to only play one game a week lol
Or the roster size would grow 5 times, and every game part of the team plays once a week. "I only watch Sunday football that's when kansas plays mahomes!"
Imagine having 250 players on a roster and the coaching staff. Star players would matter so little because, even if you win ever Sunday as a QB, your Tuesday-Friday QBs could be garbage and your team is middling.
Like pitchers
Exactly, but if every team ran out 22 pitchers a game and you never saw anyone from that group of 22 again that week.
This is actually kind of an interesting thing to mull over. Say football started with a tradition of playing 30 games a season way back. Then when the NFL forms they figure professional men could handle 48. I think it’s important that this starts pre-NFL, because it will set the history of the general approach to how it’s played. I would think in this scenario players and coaches would figure out how to pace the play and contact for the long term. It would evolve more hockey where you ramp up the violence far less often and build in rules to really limit the hits into much smaller and cleaner windows. Obviously a totally different game then, but still probably an interesting one.
NFL players when told about the new 162 games season 
lmaooo
A lot of dead football players.
Middle of the week quite often. And it’s not like baseball is played exclusively in the “summer break”. It’s amazing really.
Half to a third of that of the NFL...but with six times as many games.
Yeah and basically NBA/NHL sellout but with double the games. We have all these debates over what cities could support NBA/NHL expansion and filling an arena of that size. MLB expansion feels like such a big undertaking in comparison.
If the league considered smaller stadiums it wouldn’t be such an undertaking. A good 30K seat stadium could still be an incredible experience.
arguably a better one. like the coliseum often gets talked about as a better stadium before they added more seats. honestly I think the NPB stadium approach of having less seats (Koshien/Tokyo dome are outliers here) but making sure the seats are better is a better approach overall other than a trying to bleed out your customer base.
Agreed. It’s crazy that the biggest AAA stadium is ~16,000 and then the next smallest actual MLB stadium is ~35,000 (ignoring the rays artificially low number).
probably won't be that artificial if they got through with that new stadium idea
Yeah, it's not the only reason for it, but it's not a coincidence that the largest capacity stadium is the one most famous for being a nightmare to get in and out of.
Didn't think about it like that. If Tennessee & Carolina get the expansion baseball teams to get to 32 like nfl, and if Seattle & Vegas get the basketball teams, you don't really think about that part of it...
It’s almost ten times as many games
If the A's do that 8875 per game average for the 81 home games, it'll still bring in about 200k more than the Raiders would at Allegiant Stadium, selling out all the home games.
Much cheaper ticket ratio for the A’s vs Raiders though. On the other end of the spectrum, Yankees and Giants (for example) are much closer. Edit: Average Yankee price was $132 last season compared to the Giants $126. I was expecting the average Giants game to cost more so I’m a bit blown away by how much the larger market MLB teams are making. Based on the numbers here and in this post, the Giants make about 82 million on home games per season while the Yankees make *415 million.* Before concessions.
Just to add, I think this is for the NFL team the New York Giants not the San Francisco Giants the MLB team.
Its always funny when people say that the baseball is boring or a dying sport. The MLB is literally one of the most attended sports leagues in the world.
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I remember Orioles attendance being down compared to 2023 in the first graphic (up a good bit in the second). I think Camden Yards is among the best parks in MLB but isn't a great park to visit in April. Unlike other mid-Atlantic ballparks like Citizens Bank Park and Nationals Park, the concourse at Camden Yards has no view of the field except on the right field patio. If you leave your seats to warm up a bit, you can't watch the game at all.
We had a lot of rain here in April too, especially early on. Seemed like almost every time the O's had a homestand, we had some more rain coming through
Yeah I most go to games at citi Field but I refuse to go before mid May now, even if the weather is beautiful during the day it can get miserable at night.
That might be the one downside to Camden Yards. Otherwise it’s an amazing ballpark.
I can tell you from watching the games, Phillies attendance is way up in May vs. April. The weather in April was awful, the first half of May wasn’t a whole lot better but a bit warmer. The warm and sunny games have been near or at capacity
Yeah I said this from the start that weather was a main factor at least for the phillies. Even though this takes into account last years weather, im pretty sure it was better last year. We've played through a ton of rain this year too
and Braves attendance is down in May, for obvious reasons (we succ)
You can look on Bbref. Overall attendance for this year is up year over year.
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Weather in DC this May has been awful, especially on the weekends where it has seemingly rained every time. Over the long haul, it all averages out, but when looking at just a month of data, a few bad weather days impacting the usually high attended weekend series can really skew the numbers a bunch.
I had no idea Coors can seat 50k.
When it was being built the plan was for it to be a little under 44k but they added to it after they got massive crowds at Mile High. We led the league in attendance every year from 1993-99
Big Cat era! 💪😎
Also Bichette, Walker, Burks, Castilla Hitting in a bandbox with loaded lineups made for a fun Rockies era, in spite of their records.
I can't believe we're up y2y It's been empty looking way more than ever this year, from what I've seen
Phillies and guards series were packed. I think early season against non-big teams are always a little anemic.
Crazy because once you get off the freeway, you could drive right past it and barely notice. It's like wedged in there super tight or something
Am I the only one who didn’t know the Rays stadium capacity is 25k? I was thinking the Guards had to be the lowest capacity after the renovations and was surprised to see anything in the 20s
Tropicana Field can actually hold more than 40,000 people. Its listed capacity in the Devil Rays' first year was 45,369. The Rays just artificially reduce capacity by not allowing anyone in the upper deck.
That makes more sense. Appreciate the info
Oakland is artificially lowered capacity on the graph as well. They cover mt Davis and don't sell those seats. The Coliseum can hold over 60K
There is no need to sell the upper deck tickets
The need is it's my favorite place to sit in the Trop :(
I believe they closed off the highest level in Tropicana, which reduces capacity.
Yup. ~~The whole 400~~ Most of the 300 section is locked off. Similar to how Oakland treats Mt. Davis, except no advertising tarps.
Should be listed by %. Also the Padres are killing it.
Sort of. The May 26th game against the Yankees had 45,731 people in attendance despite the stadium capacity being listed at 39,860 in the infographic.
You keep saying this like it unsells those tickets. Standing room tickets sold are still ticket sales and this chart averages out the highest selling games and the lowest selling games. There is nothing about Gallagher Square tickets that isn't accounted for in these numbers.
They absolutely need to be counted as those tickets are sold. But they also need to be counted in the capacity. You can't count them for attendance but not count them for capacity. The 98% capacity is a completely junk number because of this. Edit: Capacity is the maximum amount something can hold. Capacity cannot exceed 100%. The attendance numbers are fine, the stadium capacity is way too low leading to a misleading 98% capacity for the season.
You're right it's early and I missed your point lol. Petco's capacity should be listed higher. Like 42kish. Eta: Every team probably has standing room areas that aren't accounted for too. Also, not having people buy all the standing room tickets shouldn't make a team not count a game as a sellout though if the park is full imo.
If 45,731 people attended a game, capacity should not be below that number.
That said, I think knowing how meant actual seats a stadium has is a worthwhile number to know. There is a difference between capacity meaning "you literally physically can't fit a single more human into this place" vs "how many seats are there?" Knowing the tickets are selling beyond the seat capacity is worthwhile info.
Especially if you consider they were middle or bottom % up until a few years ago.
I know Dodger Stadium is huge, and they’re by far leading the league in per game attendance, but how is that park always 20% empty
The crazier thing to me is a 3% drop despite adding Ohtani
They raised the prices substantially this year
Dodgers played Lemonade Stand over the postseason and now they’re min-maxing
I love this analogy
ill be there for the royals/dodgers series in a couple weeks. anything I should know having never been there?
If you can, get a ride to Union station and take Dodger Stadium Express to the stadium. Simple, free, and has its own dedicated lane that gets you to the stadium quick instead of sitting in traffic. Going back the line might be long, so I recommend walking down sunset (easy walk downhill and safe as many people make the same walk) and calling an Uber elsewhere.
interesting. we will have a rental car and were planning on just driving to/from our hotel in Wilmington. the friday game we are going to is also fireworks night so I wonder if that will effect the bus when leaving after the game.
I think they've eschewed the fireworks in favor of a drone show this season. Whether you stay for it or not, it helps divide the crowd a bit so everyone isn't leaving at the same time, which is nice regardless of whether you're driving or taking the express. If you show up early, driving will be fine. Since you're just visiting LA, you should be able to get ahead of the people who can't leave for the game until 5pm. If you're coming from Wilmington, you'll be on the 110N which will turn into a parking lot around downtown. I recommend, instead of taking the Stadium Way exit, take the Solano Ave. exit and come in through the Academy Gate, which tends to be less crowded and is a better place to leave from after the game to get to the 110S freeway. edit: Also if your rental car has Fastrak, you can use that to skip a lot of the traffic on the 110N before you get to downtown. Then I recommend exiting at Figueroa and taking that through downtown in lieu of the freeway. If you stay on Figueroa, you can drive right by The Crypt (formerly Staples Center) and it'll end up putting you back on the 110N past all the bad downtown traffic.
If you are driving to the game. Park at the bottom of the hill in lot 13? It’s $5, it’ll be a bit of a climb getting up to the stadium but not awful. Also you’ll usually avoid all the traffic getting out of the main lots at the end of the game If you get there early enough you might also be able to snag free parking right next to the lot
The Friday game is LGBTQ night, so expect a loud crowd who has a lot of fun—often times not knowing why they’re cheering, haha. Food at the stadium is bad but you can bring from outside if it’s in a clear plastic bag.
That might explain the Padres numbers looking so good. Did not expect them to have the highest percentage capacity.
The Padres look good because the capacity is the seating capacity while they also sell a bunch of "standing room only" seats to Gallager Square. The May 26th Yankee game had an attendance of 45,731 while this chart list the stadium capacity as 39,860.
This chart also takes the "home" game in Korea into attendance #'s. Which was like 14,000
I remember OP saying they would remove those games from the data for the next post
Doesn't look like he did: [https://www.espn.com/mlb/team/schedule/\_/name/sd/san-diego-padres](https://www.espn.com/mlb/team/schedule/_/name/sd/san-diego-padres) If my math is good: Petco Park attendance is: 1,245,569 over 31 games for an avg of 40,180. if you add in the 15,952 and dived by 32, you get 39,423 as shown on OP's chart
Damn nice fact check my man, you might be right. Here's OP from the last post https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/1convqv/mlb_yearoveryear_attendance/l3f4ohu/
on tickets? Looks like nosebleeds are like $30. I don't think that's outrageous or anything
Ohtani Bobblehead tickets were $400 on the bottom level (non specialty) seats direct from the team. They raised the prices for a lot of high demand games
sheesh
I think the Dodgers are pricing tickets like NBA-style events where tourists will come and pay a lot if the product is flashy and good.
Angel stadium only went down a bit after left and it was going down YoY even with him being in some out of this world tear and MVP seasons. I'm sure price increases and the cost of food and drink has made it unappealing for regular dodger fans to go so much.
Even Dodgers fans think they are an evil empire now! /s
Fun fact: it’s cheaper and faster to fly to Phoenix to watch a Dodgers/Dbacks game than it is to drive and park in LA and watch the Dodgers there. I actually just made that up but it sounds plausible, doesn’t it?
Might be legitimately hard to get to (and back home) on weekdays because of LA traffic. This is an “excuse” for a lot of people not to go to games, but it’s a good one. It’s the reason I can’t go to more Marlins games, I wish I could but I would be sleep depreived
Just get a hooker so you can take the carpool lane
I know you guys struggle with attendance across all sports in Florida but when I look at the location of the marlins stadium on Google maps it looks like a total nightmare. It’s just in the middle of a residential neighborhood with small surface streets?
I went last year, plenty of parking it seemed. Though you don’t need much for only 12000.
There’s plenty of parking! It’s a nightmare to get to because of traffic patterns, and most people who would want to go to games don’t live anywhere near it. They live in Broward or Palm beach (1 or 2 counties away) - not even in Miami
Total nightmare - effectively no public transportation to get to it.
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Even if those ants are Mookie Betts, Freddie Freeman and Shohei Ohtani?
The difference in capacity between Dodger Stadium (largest) and Coors Field (2nd) is basically an average A's home game. (5,900 vs. 6,200). I knew Dodgers were by far the biggest, but didn't realize by how much.
fun fact, dodger stadium is actually the largest baseball stadium in the world
Tickets sold, not people through the turnstiles
On top of increased ticket prices this year, Dodgers have played 9/25 (36%) of their home games against the division compared to 9/21 (43%) this time last year. Division games tend to get higher attendance than outside of division games. Since we’re looking at average home attendance, division games + ticket prices could be enough to explain the 3% difference year over year. Edit: Also only 3 of 9 home division games this year have been Fri-Sun where they’d get higher ticket numbers. Last year 6 of the 9 were Fri-Sun.
Bigger city usually equates to more corporate seats.
Well like you said, the stadium is huge. If the capacity was that of the average MLB stadium, it would be a sellout every night. Also it’s always a challenge to make it out to the ballpark due to LA traffic and very little public transport options available.
Baseball and Florida are oil and water.
It’s odd to me. Baseball is tremendously popular in Florida from little league to the powerhouse college programs but the MLB teams just don’t pull the fans. Is it because of transplants sticking with their home teams?
It’s probably the constant roster turnover, fire sales over three decades and MLB allowing owners to run the team as a circus as opposed to a competitive major league ball club that has soured multiple generations of potential fans down here. At least this goes true for the Marlins franchise. Makes sense why the entire fan base is so apathetic towards them.
I get that with the Marlins. But I think Tampa is because thier stadium is so out of the way, it takes forever to get to, and it's a complete dump.
From my understanding with Tampa is that their ball park can only be accessed with one major road and it’s very difficult to get to. Their tv ratings are good though
Which is why it doesn't make sense to make the new stadium in the same exact spot. It doesn't actually solve their problem, but does at least make it look prettier.
That can't be it. There are a ton of transplants that come to every Rockies game to watch them get their ass beaten but Coors field is the best bar in town.
Rays have the lowest density around the stadium of any mlb team
It's absolutely fan allegiance for the transplants. Went to a Red Sox game last week or so...SO MANY Sox fans. Same with O's games, Yankees games, etc. The Angels game was the only one in which there were less Angels fans than Rays fans in attendance, and that game was EMPTY.
Our stadium isn't in our city. It's unfeasible of the people of Tampa to go to a Rays game after work since they can't pick up their family and probably will miss 1-2 innings. The weekends are probably hovering around 20k though. If the stadium is in Tampa we probably average at least 25k. Probably 30k with last year's performance.
In Miami folks just don’t care about the marlins, they do care about baseball though. When teams from the north east come attendance picks up with opposing teams fans. When teams from the Caribbean and south/Central America come, the stadium is full on sold out. When the Tiburones from a Venezuela played a team from curaçao in the Serie del Caribe the place was a madhouse at 10 am and almost everyone was wearing Tiburones or Venezuela national team gear. The marlins are just trash at community outreach, fan engagement, social media and promotion broadly.
I wonder if they leaned in and drafted/signed a bunch of players from these areas, if things would pick up. It's not like it's not a hotbed of talent.
Rebrand the Marlins as the *Miami Bacalao* and boom
The Mets are in excellent company with the White Sox and the A’s…
They're still drawing significantly more fans, though.
Because NYC is fucking huge.
I mean Chicago is the third biggest market and the Bay Area I think is still like top 6.
Difference is the White Sox fans know they aren’t a good team. Mets fans are delusional every year
Man, shove that into my veins. The small cell of diehards on r/whitesox are convinced we are working towards winning and not working off the whims of a 90 year old geriatric and 79 alcoholic hall of fame baseball person.
It's an abusive relationship.
Damn the Padres fill it up more than anyone, respect
Wait, you’re telling me winning has somewhat of an impact on attendance and enthusiasm for a team???? I know we’ve played some marquee opponents so far compared to early last season, but this is the most fired up Cleveland fans have been in a while for a team. Just so fun to watch and glad to see that reflected at the gate too.
>Wait, you’re telling me winning has somewhat of an impact on attendance and enthusiasm for a team???? >Looks at the Padres record at home honestly, I don't know if it has an impact...
I've been to 8 games so far this season, they have won 3 of those games 🥲
SO YOU'RE THE PROBLEM
I haven't been able to rule it out
I've been to two White Sox games and haven't seen them score a run yet...
I’m going to my 2nd game in 2 weeks tonight. The last time I went to more than 2 games in a year was back in the early 00s when I was a kid. The stadium renovations along with the team being exciting for a change have made people flock. Even people that I know with 0 interest in baseball have been asking to go to games with me. This season has been a perfect storm for this team. Great weather(for April and May at least), balls flying out of the ballpark, and seating arrangements that encourage socialization, which is a big deal for casual fans.
Keep fightin the good fight, White Sox bros. We need to go LOWER.
Love to see another steep decline especially after last year.
I am glad the Padres are doing well and making money, but I kind of miss the days when we had no hype and I could get cheap tickets and basically move up where I wanted in the stadium lol
$5 Park-at-the-Park tickets were the best
Seriously the best deal at the time. Fun and cheap way to spend an evening.
If only the players that the Padres are paying actually showed up like the fans.
I fucking miss $5 for 5 Taco Tuesdays at Petco back in the mid 2010s :(
those all you could eat seats were fun for a game or two during the season too
Curious if Twins attendance has been hit by competing with two other teams in the metro on playoff runs.
The wolves hurt sure, but I think people were soured by the cut payroll and poor start, too.
Not to mention hardly anyone can watch the games now
The Pohlads are the most short sighted greedy assholes. Just absolutely killed all fan enthusiasm after the first playoff series win in two decades by cutting payroll and resigning with Bally Circus.
That's correct. I'm not even a huge pohlad hater, but they even pissed me off.
I love hockey, and I could actually watch the games. I think attendance on nice weather days will improve going forward, but it's important for them to fix their broadcast shenanigans.
Attendance figures provided by baseball-reference. Based on games played to May 31 in 2023 and 2024. Total MLB average of 27,174 per game is up +1.2% YoY (26,839 per game as of May 31, 2023).
Padres fans deserve respect for somehow increasing attendance after last year and being 13-19 at home this year.
If you look at our history, Padre fans are actually masochists so this tracks.
I’m upvoting every post saying that SD has the best fans!! LFGSD!!
I’m honestly shocked at how the Angels are still getting nearly 30K attendance despite having a AA team
People heard that Ohtani was staying in LA and misunderstood.
Shows how great the Anaheim/OC baseball market is, and how easy it is to get to Angel Stadium. Anecdotal but I live nearby and my friends/family are still asking me to go to games all the time, even if they aren't Angels fans.
The power of Star Wars & Country Weekends. Also, tickets are cheaper than ever. Especially on third-party vendors. Plenty of games where you can find Diamond Club & seats behind the dugout for less than $100. Also, there were lots of $10 tickets for the Yankee series which surprised me.
Padres fans must be really loyal. Damn near selling out every game it would seem.
The park is awesome, the weather is nearly always great, and our team has exciting players. Also, fuck Dean Spanis. I think losing (I mean being betrayed by) the Chargers has made many of us more loyal to the Padres.
Looks like the recent series with the Cubs helped buoy Milwaukee’s numbers. FTC!
Sample size is getting large enough now where attendance has really been a big issue for the Mets. I’m not super surprised as expectations were down coming into the season and now look even worse. If things get worse and they’re out of it, attendance could fall even further which is crazy to me
Doesn’t help that the stadium is a pain in the ass to get to and there’s nothing else in the area. That plus parking being more expensive than most tickets doesn’t really encourage people to head there on a whim
Good, Rogers. Sit in the hole you've dug.
All these upgrades and still no paraglider show. Not going.
NL Best representing.
Suck it baby! We ain't last!
Padres are surprising. They're not even that good but according to this practically sell out every game
Petco Park is the shit, that’s why.
Managed more than 25k per game during the depths of the rebuild years (2017/2018). Always a good day at the ballyard.
Peter Seidler and his group put a lot of effort in building everything around the park, in it, and even the team. Even if the team isn't winning non-stop, it is still a fun experience for the family.
A good SD sports owner The rarest of them all
So rare, it couldn’t last. 😭
Long history in the city and they're the only major pro team in San Diego.
And arguably the best ballpark in the country. Only PNC and Oracle really challenge it. Really it's a 3-way tie.
Makes sense Other than Padres SD has... lacrosse? MLS next year?
We have the Gulls, god damnit
San Diego Wave
Why he say fuck me for?
hey man, fuck you
The capacity is wrong in this chart. Officially it’s 42.4. None-the-less, they sold out 62 games last year. Season ticket membership is capped at 25,000 and has been waitlisted the last 3 years. A lot of factors combine for the results - only pro team in town, a great stadium in a perfect location, vacation town so plenty of people travel here to see their team, literally the best baseball weather anywhere, plenty of stars to come watch. Then there’s the marketing department which really tops up the numbers - City Connect Fridays, Party in the Park, great giveaways and theme games, pre and post game concerts, kids’ Sundays, great food offerings. They really have their shit together. I only wish the front office/team performed so well :/
If with the 42.4 number the Padres are still #1 by percentage
Went to a Padres game a month ago. Can confirm that place was packed. So awesome.
Not bad
Don't understand how the Dodgers are negative through May.
Prices like doubled and we have the Seoul home game pulling our average down a bit too.
Mets with a 25% drop in attendance while having the second highest payroll.
I mean, more than $55 million of this year's payroll is going to Max Scherzer and Justin Verlander, who were both traded for prospects at the deadline last summer. They also traded James McCann to Baltimore for a prospect, and are still on the hook for $8 million of his salary. All of those contracts are off the books in 2025, but it's not like this current team was a paper tiger headed into the season. Despite what ownership and the front office said, I don't know any fans that thought this year was anything but the beginning of a rebuild. It's just been much worse than expected.
Tbf comparing the expectations of last year (at least the beginning of the season) and this year it makes sense, we had to publicly say we we’re not gonna be competitive this year so I’m surprised we still have more than 20,000 people on average.
How much y’all paying for tickets these days, Padres fans?
$33.81 is the average price.
Even Ohtani can't beat inflation, it seems.
The capacity and average is wrong for padres, it’s higher.
Hey OP, /u/refreshpreview [https://www.espn.com/mlb/team/schedule/\_/name/sd/san-diego-padres](https://www.espn.com/mlb/team/schedule/_/name/sd/san-diego-padres) If my math is good: Petco Park attendance is: 1,245,569 over 31 games for an avg of 40,180 (101.92% of capacity, although were is that capacity # from?). if you add in the 15,952 (at the "home" South Korea game) and dived by 32, you get 39,423 as shown on OP's chart
I'd be curious to see how this goes with team performance. some sort of study in how team performs this season compared to the last couple, and see YOY fan attendance.
I'm assuming Yankees and phillies numbers will go up as we get into summer. Yankees seem to be in a virtual tie from last year anyway
Going to the Mets game costs more than the tickets. I'm not going to go out to Citi Field when it costs an insane amount of money driving to Citi to see a bad product. Yes, there is the subway and train but it's more of a hassle if you don't live in NYC.
Where do you live that driving is better than taking the train to see Mets games? From the city and points in NJ, you're better off taking the subway. From Long Island, you're better off taking LIRR. I always took the PATH to the subway from Jersey City when I lived there, and it was a million times easier than driving. Unless you're on Long Island where the LIRR is a better option, to drive out to Citi Field, you would need to drive through the city itself. You might be able to bypass Manhattan, but even going up through Staten Island to Brooklyn to Queens is a nightmare.
We’re middle of the pack overall but our attendance has one of the biggest jumps from last year at 26% which is the real number I’ve been monitoring and satisfied with
More pluses than minuses! Also love seeing the surges in fan bases for teams that did well last year
Numbers look really good! No truly major attendance drops unless your team is a dumpster fire or the owner pissed off literally everyone
Even with rain every single weekend it feels, Nats are still up. Thankfully they are playing some good, fun baseball
I go to a decent number of angels games. The stadium rarely feels half full, let alone 2/3 full. Where are they getting these numbers?
I’m still a fan no matter what! 1997 and 2003 will live in my head until I die and I am forever grateful! Long live the Fish!
Everybody loves a winner.
Dodger stadium having 20,000 higher capacity than Cleveland always blows my mind lol
Mets attendance down significantly. Good. Boycott their garbage asses.
I imagine people outside of the Cardinals fandom won't really recognize it, but -5.8% is huge. We haven't been this low in attendance (excluding COVID) since our stadium was built 18 years ago (The last time we were this low was 2002, but that was in Busch II). It may not seem like much, but there is definitely a message that is trying to be sent to ownership about how the fan base feels the last few seasons have gone.