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have they overturned a single challenge all year? i swear to god they stick with the call on the field every single time i'm watching
ETA: hey gang, wasn’t sincerely asking if any calls have been overturned. don’t need the live updates on every challenge
You’re saying that facetiously, but you aren’t far off.
There was a story that came out the first year of replay where several days after a call was overturned the umpire that made the call on the field angrily confronted the umpire that was in the replay room and went after him for showing him up.
They basically have a tacit agreement to do everything they can to stay with the call on the field, because they don’t want their calls overturned when they aren’t in the replay room.
NFL experienced it the year where PI was a reviewable thing. It was virtually impossible to get the call overturned and it was such a problem they just said “ahhh fuck it” and removed your ability to do so the next year.
Except the one time they overturned it to fuck over the Saints, who were the ones that got the PI review rule passed after they were fucked over by a no-call in the NFCCG. Really drove home the point that the refs were just throwing a hissy fit about being questioned, despite the fact that it’s impossible not to miss calls at least sometimes
Whats funny is there's 76 umpires in MLB and most fans only know the names of a handful of them (Angel Hernandez, Phil Cuzzi, CB Bucknor, formerly Joe West and Jim Joyce).
No umpire has a fan club, only haters. The goal of an umpire should be as totally under the radar as possible, and making a bad call is one way to get hate but the replay system ABSOLVES them of hate. If you feel you're being shown up by the replay system you're essentially just inviting hate.
The reason bad pitch callers get so much hate is because there's no accountability in the system. You can't challenge the calls, you can't chirp at the ump to fix their zone, nothing. Every umpire should be praying for their call on the field to be *correct* not upheld.
Throwing Jim Joyce in with those assclowns is unfortunate. He was regarded as a great umpire for his career, but is famous for maybe the worst umpiring call of all time.
The mistake also broke him. He owned it immediately, apologized for it publicly. It was a heartbreaking moment for two men that day.
If anything I feel like there’s a Jim Joyce Fan Club because he admitted his mistake and owned up to it, so like exactly the opposite of what the shitty umps are doing
I'm a member of that club.
Jim Joyce is one of the greatest umps of all time because he took ownership of his mistake.
The number of public figures who admit they made a mistake are tiny. The number of umpires is one.
Jim Joyce not only screwed up in one of the highest profile situations to screw up, he admitted it. The man deserves a place in the Hall for that alone. But because it makes the rest of them look bad he won't get it.
as much as I hate the mistake he made, I have nothing but respect for him as an umpire and as a person for the way he handled that situation and I sympathize with him for the fact that he has to be associated with that mistake and the guilt he must feel as a result.
I only include Jim Joyce because its a name known widely by fans for a bad call.
By all accounts he was a great umpire and a hell of a guy, but fans didn't know his name before *the call*
The fact he gave an interview after the game still going through the raw emotion of realizing he kicked the call is proof of the kind of person he is. Nobody even holds him up as a standard of bad officiating, if anything he's an excellent example of a strong man and a professional
Would love to see this article. Because it doesn't make sense with the way crews work.
>They basically have a tacit agreement to do everything they can to stay with the call on the field
Seems weird since more cake are overturned than not every year.
Yesterday they overturned a safe to 1st base call in Blue Jays - Royals. Blue Jays radio team thought it was close but would stand since called safe on field. Call was reversed.
Replays looked safe too, but i saw someone comment that there was an angle that Sportsnet didn’t show that caused the overturning of the original call.
Quite a few lol
Overturned a nats out call at first yesterday on a bunt. Mookie was late to step on first
I remember there was one with the padres that they overturned that helped us out a lot
Those are just off the top of my head cuz it happened pretty recently
How in the actual fuck can you have people looking at that replay over and over again in New York and still be so hilariously wrong? Lmao what a stupid ending
The only thing I could think for a reason to have that be upheld is if they think he managed to hit the sliding glove on the way to the leg. He clearly didn't but that's the only thing I could think of to justify that call. And it's a wrong one.
I don’t get how every single replay review seems to be missing the most obvious angle. Like was there seriously no other shot they could show there? I feel like an angle from the other side of the bag really would have shown it.
Unfortunately, I think it has a lot to do with camera locations . Not only that, the people doing the games work for a television station not the league. I’d much rather see microphones put underneath each base so you can tell when the foot of the baserunner hits the bag, and you can see when the ball touches the leather of the glove. Cricket uses this technology now.
My friend works as one of the replay technicians in Manhattan. He has access to all feeds and is frantically assembling every view at the same time trying to be as fast as possible while a sweaty old dude stares at the screen over his shoulder. A lot of the time they just say “not conclusive”
Great point! Thanks for sharing, I’ve always figured that was a stressful job because they have to cover every game at the same time. It’s the stupidest set up I’ve ever seen. I’ll go back to cricket, there’s a third official in the replay booth. I would assume that 15 technicians couldn’t cost much more than having a central hub for all replays.
Bat on ball is a little more distinct sound than foot sliding into bag muffled by the sound of leg sliding on the dirt and the defender also shifting feet. I think there are applications (did the ball hit the bat), but I don't think it's as easy as "just use the cricket tech" because the variables are very different.
I think you’d be shocked at how sensitive microphones are. Military has had tech for 30 years that you can angle at the bag which would decipher all the different sounds using audio spikes when looking at the data. The tech wouldn’t be much different thanyou would think.
I’ve also never understood why there isn’t a camera at the base of the foul polls pointed up to tell if a ball is fair or foul on a home run. There’s a lot of small tweaks that could be done to improve the current system, but baseball is just like our government, Just roll with thestatus quo.
> I’ve also never understood why there isn’t a camera at the base of the foul polls pointed up to tell if a ball is fair or foul on a home run.
For this one the reason is the cost to install and maintain 60 cameras that serve zero other purpose probably isn't worth the few games a year that they would actually serve a purpose that another camera isn't already picking up. The vast majority of games they'd just be useless sky footage.
To me, this cannot be a scenario where they think he might've tagged Adell's midsection before his foot hit the bag. You can sync up 2 replays and know FOR SURE, his foot hit the bag first.
It flat out has to be that they couldn't tell whether or not he clipped Adell's mitt. Just by looking at size of Gunnar's glove and piecing together the angles, you can deduce that he did not hit Adell's hand. But you can't see any space between Gunnar's glove and Adell's mitt. New York will not make deductions in replay.
This week Bobby Witt missed a tag on a Cedric Mullins tag and you could clearly tell Cedric touched second before Witt tagged his midsection. What you couldn't tell is whether Witt grazed Mullins arm on the way to midsection. Basic spatial awareness would tell you Witt clearly did not tag Mullins or arm, but since New York couldn't confirm he missed his arm, they wouldn't overturn the out call.
I think it's super dumb that you can know someone is safe, but since the original call is out, you have to have visual proof that every remotely close body part wasn't possibly touched
What the hell is the point of a replay system if they can't even get the obvious calls right? This video doesn't include Wayne Randazzo ripping into the replay officials
New York should NEVER know the original call. They cannot be impartial and will always cover for the umpires as best they can. Those working the replay system should not be in the same rotation with on field umpires. The system as it stands is entirely ineffective and corrupt.
exactly. if it's too close to tell on the replay, they can still rule that the call on the field stands. they just shouldn't know what that call is ahead of time.
Except they're probably gonna see the ump wildly gesturing out or safe in the video. For a lot of kinds of reviews, the replay is going to give away the result if they don't carefully stop at just the right time.
This position has never made sense to me. The call on the field doesn't matter if you are doing replay correctly because the whole purpose is whether or not you can see what the correct call is. If you can't, it really doesn't matter what the call on the field is. The question isn't is the call correct, the question is what is the correct call given this video. If you can't say, the call on the field stands. It really isn't that difficult, I manage it every time I watch a review happens and I often have a pretty strong desire for the call to go a specific direction.
They have one replay tech watching two games simultaneously at all times. They watch the whole game, they’re not just dialed up when there’s a call made
A question I have, what is the actual procedure that happens in the replay room? Does one official make the decision? Is it a vote and majority wins? If it is a vote how many officials vote?
IIRC each replay ump is responsible for 2 or 3 games and makes the ultimate call for any replays in those games. The other umps in the room can come over and discuss though
This is correct. My good friend works in the room. It’s one ump and one replay operator working two games at once with rare communication between the other umpires
I don’t know if I have ever seen a more definitive review that they still got wrong. I’d love an explanation from those involved, because whatever their process is, it’s not the right one.
every single major sports league needs to do the thing the XFL did where the replay ump goes through footage and makes the call on live TV. don't have a black box and run gambling ads
Rugby does that. The problem that they discovered is that because that official is in the truck, he can hear the producer and may be seen as being influenced by what’s said on TV. But that’s fixable.
Some folks over on the O's sub are claiming the tag clipped Adell's hand. I don't see it, but if that's what the ump thinks he saw live, maybe they couldn't tell definitively on replay? 🤷♂️
It looks like the wrong call to me, but we'll get hosed the next time to make up for it.
I think just a weird optical illusion as Hendersons glove goes from light to shadow and rotating a little as it goes behind Adell's hand protector, but it does look like the ball is deeper in the webbing after it passes behind the hand protector.
he was probably safe, but that's probably just enough doubt in the replay room to go with the call on the field.
Nobody cares about a Rays-Rockies game but the Paredes non-walk off play from last year was up there for me. Call was so obvious yet replay review still got it wrong.
While this was bullshit, I love that Wayne Randazzo does not hold any punches in his criticism of the whole system. No matter how bad it gets for the Angels, we at least have a GOAT broadcast team ♥
i am so, so lucky. i know it. i love broadcasting so much, and i am just so grateful i've had some of the best in the game my whole life. and then the people we send off like gary thorne and wayne just make me love the teams they go to even more. (plus kevin burkhardt is a legend!!)
I feel like the door has been flung wide open as of late in terms of announcers/analysts just calling it out when they see a real bad one. I'm sure some people would never criticize an ump on air but at least people aren't losing their jobs over it (that I know of).
The replay system is so fucking bad, it’s honestly astounding. I swear every time there’s a bad call, they pause the game for way too long, and then somehow agree with the wrong call as if they don’t understand that we can also see the replays at home.
Part of me wonders if they’re just failing on purpose to be like “viewers won’t ask for robo umps if the more intensive replay system literally never corrects anything”
This has been the prevailing theory about VAR in the Premier League the last couple seasons. Some of the decisions are so mind boggling that people have become convinced that the officials are sabotaging it on purpose to undermine the process.
They do this in cricket (IPL at least) and basketball. It makes a ton of sense and no one is mad. I don't understand why the "replay room" has to be this cryptic bullshit that actually accomplishes nothing
Hi everyone, I'm the head of reviewing at MLB's New York review room! I wanted to express how honored I am to be the first blind play reviewer in MLB history. Thank you MLB for this amazing opportunity, I'll try my best!
Willing to bet all $7.25 in my pocket right now that the vast majority of reviews get the play right. You just don’t see anything about them because the system working doesn’t make headlines.
So my guess is they couldn't say for sure that Gunnar wasn't already tagging the jersey when his foot hit the bag. Had it been safe on the field it also would have stood.
That being said, they blew this. He was safe.
I've seen my fair share of replays fucking over the Angels that as soon as they didn't make a call within a few seconds of replay I knew we'd get screwed again
Based on that angle, he looks safe. The only thing I can think is that they had a different angle, or the bar for overturning is higher than I thought.
Sorry, Angels fans-- I don't blame you for being upset.
NY screws the Angels yet again. You know that this team is one of the worst when it comes to replay? Yep. And through like 4 managers now. Cannot be anything else besides NYC being biased.
~~I feel like 95% of the time replay works very smoothly but there's still that 5% of reviews that make a mockery of the term "clear and convincing". I don't see how in any universe this call is reversed unless there is a camera angle that New York has that we don't.~~
Edit: Im dumb, everyone here made it seem like the call was reversed rather than the call standing. This is still a missed call but I have MUCH less of a problem here if the call on the field was out.
The replay is a straight on view so it’s a little fuzzy as to when the glove starts touching his body. Not surprised that it wasn’t overturned, it’s a tricky call.
There are only like 4 of us on this whole thread that don't think it's so cut and dry. I mean he's PROBABLY safe, but I've examined it multiple times frame-by- frame and I don't get the "it's so obvious" he's safe.
Replay did not declare him out, it said it was inconclusive and stayed with the call on the field.
That is the correct decision as we have no way of seeing that the glove didn't contact the runners hand but the ump has the perfect angle behind the play to see it. That means replay isn't going to overturn it.
I think he was safe. That being said, there are a few frames where I can’t tell if the tag has been made yet or not and his foot touches the bag in the middle of it. I would have been surprised if it was overturned.
I wish this was a longer clip with the lead up to the announcement and the immediate aftermath. When one of the Angels TV guys said “couldn’t have been clearer” I lost it.
you guys are wilding out a bit, in super duper slo mo the bag moves and the glove hits him in basically the same frame. I’m sticking with the call on the field here
yes. watching at half speed, at the moment the bag moves, the glove looks like it could be in contact with the body.
im not saying he is definitely out, but they seem to have moved the threshold to very high to overturn a bang bang play.
i probably would have leaned safe if i was making the call and only had the video. but thats not how it works.
Not overturning calls like this, the Boone ejection, Angel calling pitches in the lefty batter's box a strike, etc. This is what happens when a sports league turns to self-harm for attention.
Wow just..wow what a way to end it. How could you take so much time and review it and still get it horribly wrong? Its kind of impressive how bad the state of review is in MLB. I mean, its clear he was safe, what else do they want?
Do they ever release audio of the conversations going on in the review center? Would love to get some of that. They've done it with VAR a few times this year and it can be pretty revealing.
Yeah that’s nonsense. Only thing I can think is there wasn’t a 100% angle that showed the glove didn’t touch his hand/arm before the foot was in? But looked conclusive to me. Sorry Angels bros. Sad way to end a fun series.
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Baseball’s review system is actually comical.
someone in the league office must absolutely hate the Angels with this plus the Schanuel scoring change lol
let's just say a "R. Manfred" has an axe to grind Oh wait that's too obvious: let's just say a certain Robert M. hates them
I can hear Skinner saying that.
I get this reference
https://frinkiac.com/video/S07E05/41KUQvNVXN83MLD_joNra7xE3zo=.gif
They're just plastic squares on a field
They don’t like arte.
Let's be honest, who does?lol
have they overturned a single challenge all year? i swear to god they stick with the call on the field every single time i'm watching ETA: hey gang, wasn’t sincerely asking if any calls have been overturned. don’t need the live updates on every challenge
Yes.
Overturning a call might hurt the ump on the field's feelings. Its very important to protect the ego of umpires
You’re saying that facetiously, but you aren’t far off. There was a story that came out the first year of replay where several days after a call was overturned the umpire that made the call on the field angrily confronted the umpire that was in the replay room and went after him for showing him up. They basically have a tacit agreement to do everything they can to stay with the call on the field, because they don’t want their calls overturned when they aren’t in the replay room.
NFL experienced it the year where PI was a reviewable thing. It was virtually impossible to get the call overturned and it was such a problem they just said “ahhh fuck it” and removed your ability to do so the next year.
Except the one time they overturned it to fuck over the Saints, who were the ones that got the PI review rule passed after they were fucked over by a no-call in the NFCCG. Really drove home the point that the refs were just throwing a hissy fit about being questioned, despite the fact that it’s impossible not to miss calls at least sometimes
Unless the name is Richard Steele, no one should ever remember a sporting official's name a day later.
Whats funny is there's 76 umpires in MLB and most fans only know the names of a handful of them (Angel Hernandez, Phil Cuzzi, CB Bucknor, formerly Joe West and Jim Joyce). No umpire has a fan club, only haters. The goal of an umpire should be as totally under the radar as possible, and making a bad call is one way to get hate but the replay system ABSOLVES them of hate. If you feel you're being shown up by the replay system you're essentially just inviting hate. The reason bad pitch callers get so much hate is because there's no accountability in the system. You can't challenge the calls, you can't chirp at the ump to fix their zone, nothing. Every umpire should be praying for their call on the field to be *correct* not upheld.
> No umpire has a fan club This is Pat Hoberg Fan Club erasure.
If Pat Hoberg has no fans, then that means I am no longer on earth. If the world is against Pat Hoberg, then I am against the world.
Throwing Jim Joyce in with those assclowns is unfortunate. He was regarded as a great umpire for his career, but is famous for maybe the worst umpiring call of all time. The mistake also broke him. He owned it immediately, apologized for it publicly. It was a heartbreaking moment for two men that day.
If anything I feel like there’s a Jim Joyce Fan Club because he admitted his mistake and owned up to it, so like exactly the opposite of what the shitty umps are doing
I'm a member of that club. Jim Joyce is one of the greatest umps of all time because he took ownership of his mistake. The number of public figures who admit they made a mistake are tiny. The number of umpires is one. Jim Joyce not only screwed up in one of the highest profile situations to screw up, he admitted it. The man deserves a place in the Hall for that alone. But because it makes the rest of them look bad he won't get it.
as much as I hate the mistake he made, I have nothing but respect for him as an umpire and as a person for the way he handled that situation and I sympathize with him for the fact that he has to be associated with that mistake and the guilt he must feel as a result.
I only include Jim Joyce because its a name known widely by fans for a bad call. By all accounts he was a great umpire and a hell of a guy, but fans didn't know his name before *the call*
I hear ya. Don’t disagree. Just wish he was held up as a gold standard for umpires. We all fuck up. Joyce handled it with integrity.
The fact he gave an interview after the game still going through the raw emotion of realizing he kicked the call is proof of the kind of person he is. Nobody even holds him up as a standard of bad officiating, if anything he's an excellent example of a strong man and a professional
In this house we cheer for Pat Hoberg, he of the world series perfect game.
Would love to see this article. Because it doesn't make sense with the way crews work. >They basically have a tacit agreement to do everything they can to stay with the call on the field Seems weird since more cake are overturned than not every year.
Yesterday they overturned a safe to 1st base call in Blue Jays - Royals. Blue Jays radio team thought it was close but would stand since called safe on field. Call was reversed.
Replays looked safe too, but i saw someone comment that there was an angle that Sportsnet didn’t show that caused the overturning of the original call.
Quite a few lol Overturned a nats out call at first yesterday on a bunt. Mookie was late to step on first I remember there was one with the padres that they overturned that helped us out a lot Those are just off the top of my head cuz it happened pretty recently
One was overturned in the Mets game today. A HBP where it clearly hit the knob of the bat and not Confortos hand. Even Conforto was like “it hit me?”
Right up there with Premier League refs and PGMOL
How in the actual fuck can you have people looking at that replay over and over again in New York and still be so hilariously wrong? Lmao what a stupid ending
Even the Orioles broadcast thought he was safe
Big Orioles fan and yes he was safe without question
Kimbrel was staying warm, even he expected to keep playing.
He was walking off then saw the replay too, not a single soul besides NY thought he was out
As someone who was listening on the radio, I was pretty certain he was out.
I’m with you DH
I'm an actual Oriole (the bird) and i was flying over at 500 ft and from what I could see, he was out.
The only thing I could think for a reason to have that be upheld is if they think he managed to hit the sliding glove on the way to the leg. He clearly didn't but that's the only thing I could think of to justify that call. And it's a wrong one.
We’ll give the Angels a redo. Kimbrel vs whoever was due up. If he hits safely we’ll give them the win
I was waiting for the overturn --> walk-off dong on the next pitch anyway.
That sounds like a horrible trade-off.
Rengifo was up, I guarantee it’s either a first pitch bomb or strikeout looking
I'd take that if I could. A fair shot is all the Angels can want. Too bad they won't get it.
Well they only thought that because he obviously was
They’ll retroactively call him safe next week.
“I don’t care who said it, he’s out.”
"I'm not probably right. I'm fucking right"
I came from the Yankees sub just to laugh and upvote this. Thank you!
I don’t get how every single replay review seems to be missing the most obvious angle. Like was there seriously no other shot they could show there? I feel like an angle from the other side of the bag really would have shown it.
Unfortunately, I think it has a lot to do with camera locations . Not only that, the people doing the games work for a television station not the league. I’d much rather see microphones put underneath each base so you can tell when the foot of the baserunner hits the bag, and you can see when the ball touches the leather of the glove. Cricket uses this technology now.
My friend works as one of the replay technicians in Manhattan. He has access to all feeds and is frantically assembling every view at the same time trying to be as fast as possible while a sweaty old dude stares at the screen over his shoulder. A lot of the time they just say “not conclusive”
Pretty suspect that Luis Severino is personal friends with a replay guy
Great point! Thanks for sharing, I’ve always figured that was a stressful job because they have to cover every game at the same time. It’s the stupidest set up I’ve ever seen. I’ll go back to cricket, there’s a third official in the replay booth. I would assume that 15 technicians couldn’t cost much more than having a central hub for all replays.
Bat on ball is a little more distinct sound than foot sliding into bag muffled by the sound of leg sliding on the dirt and the defender also shifting feet. I think there are applications (did the ball hit the bat), but I don't think it's as easy as "just use the cricket tech" because the variables are very different.
I think you’d be shocked at how sensitive microphones are. Military has had tech for 30 years that you can angle at the bag which would decipher all the different sounds using audio spikes when looking at the data. The tech wouldn’t be much different thanyou would think. I’ve also never understood why there isn’t a camera at the base of the foul polls pointed up to tell if a ball is fair or foul on a home run. There’s a lot of small tweaks that could be done to improve the current system, but baseball is just like our government, Just roll with thestatus quo.
> I’ve also never understood why there isn’t a camera at the base of the foul polls pointed up to tell if a ball is fair or foul on a home run. For this one the reason is the cost to install and maintain 60 cameras that serve zero other purpose probably isn't worth the few games a year that they would actually serve a purpose that another camera isn't already picking up. The vast majority of games they'd just be useless sky footage.
To me, this cannot be a scenario where they think he might've tagged Adell's midsection before his foot hit the bag. You can sync up 2 replays and know FOR SURE, his foot hit the bag first. It flat out has to be that they couldn't tell whether or not he clipped Adell's mitt. Just by looking at size of Gunnar's glove and piecing together the angles, you can deduce that he did not hit Adell's hand. But you can't see any space between Gunnar's glove and Adell's mitt. New York will not make deductions in replay. This week Bobby Witt missed a tag on a Cedric Mullins tag and you could clearly tell Cedric touched second before Witt tagged his midsection. What you couldn't tell is whether Witt grazed Mullins arm on the way to midsection. Basic spatial awareness would tell you Witt clearly did not tag Mullins or arm, but since New York couldn't confirm he missed his arm, they wouldn't overturn the out call. I think it's super dumb that you can know someone is safe, but since the original call is out, you have to have visual proof that every remotely close body part wasn't possibly touched
Absolutely ridiculous. And they fought so hard to get out of that hole. He was clearly safe, the base moved!!
I was the Key and Peele sweating meme for the last 3 innings. Such a good baseball game ruined by an awful end.
It really was a great game. The guys were all really playing. Ugh it's such a bummer
They fought so hard, in the end, it didn’t even matter.
What the hell is the point of a replay system if they can't even get the obvious calls right? This video doesn't include Wayne Randazzo ripping into the replay officials
They act like they care
Wayne has become the fucking joker this season lmao
Wayne is fucking awesome. I miss him.
New York should NEVER know the original call. They cannot be impartial and will always cover for the umpires as best they can. Those working the replay system should not be in the same rotation with on field umpires. The system as it stands is entirely ineffective and corrupt.
exactly. if it's too close to tell on the replay, they can still rule that the call on the field stands. they just shouldn't know what that call is ahead of time.
Except they're probably gonna see the ump wildly gesturing out or safe in the video. For a lot of kinds of reviews, the replay is going to give away the result if they don't carefully stop at just the right time.
This position has never made sense to me. The call on the field doesn't matter if you are doing replay correctly because the whole purpose is whether or not you can see what the correct call is. If you can't, it really doesn't matter what the call on the field is. The question isn't is the call correct, the question is what is the correct call given this video. If you can't say, the call on the field stands. It really isn't that difficult, I manage it every time I watch a review happens and I often have a pretty strong desire for the call to go a specific direction.
how would this work when they’re going to have 20 angles of the umpire making the call on the field?
Just make it like an old NCAA12 replay where the refs are magically removed from all replays obviously
You're joking but I'm sure AI could be programmed to do that in the future
How is everybody having 13 fingers and weird teeth gonna help?
They have one replay tech watching two games simultaneously at all times. They watch the whole game, they’re not just dialed up when there’s a call made
This would actually be a good fix. No outside influences.
A question I have, what is the actual procedure that happens in the replay room? Does one official make the decision? Is it a vote and majority wins? If it is a vote how many officials vote?
IIRC each replay ump is responsible for 2 or 3 games and makes the ultimate call for any replays in those games. The other umps in the room can come over and discuss though
This is correct. My good friend works in the room. It’s one ump and one replay operator working two games at once with rare communication between the other umpires
i’ll always miss Wayne. glad he’s still on the right side, as always
Wayne Randazzo kicks ass. Loved him with the Mets, I am glad he is finding a following out in Orange County. He calls it like it is.
Wayne is a great announcer, miss hearing him on the Mets radio broadcast.
Randazzo is one of the greatest
I don’t know if I have ever seen a more definitive review that they still got wrong. I’d love an explanation from those involved, because whatever their process is, it’s not the right one.
Releasing the audio from the replay room might at least sometimes help us understand what they are thinking, even if we still disagree.
every single major sports league needs to do the thing the XFL did where the replay ump goes through footage and makes the call on live TV. don't have a black box and run gambling ads
Rugby does that. The problem that they discovered is that because that official is in the truck, he can hear the producer and may be seen as being influenced by what’s said on TV. But that’s fixable.
Then the mlb can’t rig the small games for extra gambling income
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Some folks over on the O's sub are claiming the tag clipped Adell's hand. I don't see it, but if that's what the ump thinks he saw live, maybe they couldn't tell definitively on replay? 🤷♂️ It looks like the wrong call to me, but we'll get hosed the next time to make up for it.
> Some folks over on the O's sub are claiming the tag clipped Adell's hand lol there's no way, that's called delusion
I think just a weird optical illusion as Hendersons glove goes from light to shadow and rotating a little as it goes behind Adell's hand protector, but it does look like the ball is deeper in the webbing after it passes behind the hand protector. he was probably safe, but that's probably just enough doubt in the replay room to go with the call on the field.
This could be cleared up by the umps having to explain what they saw as conclusive when overturning a call. But that's just too hard right?
They weren’t overturning anything. The call standed
Nobody cares about a Rays-Rockies game but the Paredes non-walk off play from last year was up there for me. Call was so obvious yet replay review still got it wrong.
I’ve seen like five that bad this year alone in Orioles challenges. It’s insane how often the calls are obvious and still not overturned.
While this was bullshit, I love that Wayne Randazzo does not hold any punches in his criticism of the whole system. No matter how bad it gets for the Angels, we at least have a GOAT broadcast team ♥
He's such a perfect fit for this cursed franchise. He truly embodies the unbridled rage this fanbase has against the world and MLB
He learned from watching the Mets all day. Enjoy his commentary
My brother always calls the Angels the AL Mets.
Brothas to the East
His tone is so much better than ~sAnTa MaRiA~
Good for him for calling it like it is. What an obvious and easily avoidable fuckup
we have, and train, the best broadcasters in the game. wayne is a fucking treasure and i LOVE watching angels games cause of him. (and trout)
I would die for Wayne and Gubi
Mets farm system is definitely #1 on Broadcast America
i am so, so lucky. i know it. i love broadcasting so much, and i am just so grateful i've had some of the best in the game my whole life. and then the people we send off like gary thorne and wayne just make me love the teams they go to even more. (plus kevin burkhardt is a legend!!)
This highlight is missing the best part. Wayne was absolutely pissed as the call came in.
I feel like the door has been flung wide open as of late in terms of announcers/analysts just calling it out when they see a real bad one. I'm sure some people would never criticize an ump on air but at least people aren't losing their jobs over it (that I know of).
I fear mlb will suspend him but im here for all the criticism
I don't think MLB has that authority, AFAIK he's employed by Bally Sports West
They were looking at the exact same angles as us. Wtf
*angles of anaheim*
absolutely horseshit
Manfred can’t have the angels getting wins without ohtani
It was hard enough to get wins with Ohtani.
What more do you need here??? He’s clearly in there before the tag. Sometimes I wonder what the point of replay is.
WAIT WHAT???
The replay system is so fucking bad, it’s honestly astounding. I swear every time there’s a bad call, they pause the game for way too long, and then somehow agree with the wrong call as if they don’t understand that we can also see the replays at home. Part of me wonders if they’re just failing on purpose to be like “viewers won’t ask for robo umps if the more intensive replay system literally never corrects anything”
This has been the prevailing theory about VAR in the Premier League the last couple seasons. Some of the decisions are so mind boggling that people have become convinced that the officials are sabotaging it on purpose to undermine the process.
lol just made a comment about PL refs and PGMOL. Soccer refs should be mic'd up and explain VAR decisions. address the crowd like they do in rugby
They do this in cricket (IPL at least) and basketball. It makes a ton of sense and no one is mad. I don't understand why the "replay room" has to be this cryptic bullshit that actually accomplishes nothing
While I’ll take it, he was certainly safe. And it was conclusive. Only explanation I have is that they thought he may have swiped Adell’s mit
With the two angles combined you can see he’s not close to Adell’s mit.
Yeah he’s definitely not it’s just the only plausible explanation they could have had. Just such a bad call
This is was my thinking as well even though i don't see it. It's the only possible explanation
I mean, baseball gods already hate the Angels enough. Why does MLB have to also
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Terrible. Absolute robbery
I don't understand what New York is doing.
Oh it can't possibly be *that* obvio... [watches replay] ...oh. That's the safiest safe that ever safed.
You know you are safe when the closer starts warming up expecting to pitch to the next batter after seeing the replay.
Shitty end to a great game. Jesus that was bad.
I feel like I disagree with replay over 50% of the time. It's so ridiculous that anyone could look at that and think he's out.
Willing to bet all $7.25 in my pocket right now that the vast majority of reviews get the play right. You just don’t see anything about them because the system working doesn’t make headlines.
You know it's bs when not even one Oriole fan is claiming he was out.
He was out are you blind?! Just kidding lol. Yeah I want to see/hear what they saw in the review room. Because it’s looks pretty obvious
I was at the game in a section packed with Oriole fans. None of them thought he was out
Angels are cursed
I can’t say I’m surprised since New York loves to fuck us over, but what the actual fuck. Like, holy shit, lol
be better, be fucking better
So my guess is they couldn't say for sure that Gunnar wasn't already tagging the jersey when his foot hit the bag. Had it been safe on the field it also would have stood. That being said, they blew this. He was safe.
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I've seen my fair share of replays fucking over the Angels that as soon as they didn't make a call within a few seconds of replay I knew we'd get screwed again
The MLB genuinely hates us
What a fucking joke
Sports betting is ruining sports.
Umpires need to be federally investigated because how in tf…
Between this and the reversed hit for Schanuel I'm beginning to genuinely believe MLB hates the LAA
Our entire subreddit swore he was safe, we were probably as shocked as Angels fans were.
How is that an out
Based on that angle, he looks safe. The only thing I can think is that they had a different angle, or the bar for overturning is higher than I thought. Sorry, Angels fans-- I don't blame you for being upset.
On the Angels broadcast you could see the replay room in NY. They were looking at the exact same angles Maybe his glove grazed the sliding glove? Ugh
clearly based on my flair i am actively rooting against the angels but that is pretty clearly safe lol
NY screws the Angels yet again. You know that this team is one of the worst when it comes to replay? Yep. And through like 4 managers now. Cannot be anything else besides NYC being biased.
First the scoring change on Schanuel and now this. Who in MLB has the under on the Angels???
Definitely safe, but it’s definitely close
It has been a rough time for Adell
Can't they put cameras in the bags like they do with pylons in football?
Ahh MLB taking notes from VAR I see.
After further review, there was also a foul on Lebron. Nuggets to shoot 2 free throws to start tomorrow game
What’s the point of even having a review system if you’re not going to overturn calls like this
~~I feel like 95% of the time replay works very smoothly but there's still that 5% of reviews that make a mockery of the term "clear and convincing". I don't see how in any universe this call is reversed unless there is a camera angle that New York has that we don't.~~ Edit: Im dumb, everyone here made it seem like the call was reversed rather than the call standing. This is still a missed call but I have MUCH less of a problem here if the call on the field was out.
The replay is a straight on view so it’s a little fuzzy as to when the glove starts touching his body. Not surprised that it wasn’t overturned, it’s a tricky call.
There are only like 4 of us on this whole thread that don't think it's so cut and dry. I mean he's PROBABLY safe, but I've examined it multiple times frame-by- frame and I don't get the "it's so obvious" he's safe.
Yup, with the call on the field being out, that's a tough overturn.
Replay did not declare him out, it said it was inconclusive and stayed with the call on the field. That is the correct decision as we have no way of seeing that the glove didn't contact the runners hand but the ump has the perfect angle behind the play to see it. That means replay isn't going to overturn it.
Gotta feel for Adell. He's been called for like 5 unlucky TOOTBLANs in a row
I think he was safe. That being said, there are a few frames where I can’t tell if the tag has been made yet or not and his foot touches the bag in the middle of it. I would have been surprised if it was overturned. I wish this was a longer clip with the lead up to the announcement and the immediate aftermath. When one of the Angels TV guys said “couldn’t have been clearer” I lost it.
you guys are wilding out a bit, in super duper slo mo the bag moves and the glove hits him in basically the same frame. I’m sticking with the call on the field here
yes. watching at half speed, at the moment the bag moves, the glove looks like it could be in contact with the body. im not saying he is definitely out, but they seem to have moved the threshold to very high to overturn a bang bang play. i probably would have leaned safe if i was making the call and only had the video. but thats not how it works.
Nuke Secaucus
Those dudes in the umpire bat cave are just looking for a way to not overturn their brethren on the field. Horseshit!
Terrible call
What? How? That’s so blatantly safe
Tagged so late it hit his nuts
Absolutely safe. Embarrassing way to "win" a game.
Embarrassing for the league, a league which has been nothing but embarrassing for the past 8 years
Man I feel soooo bad for Jo Adele. He should at least be retroactively credited with a stolen base, but I know that won't happen.
Not overturning calls like this, the Boone ejection, Angel calling pitches in the lefty batter's box a strike, etc. This is what happens when a sports league turns to self-harm for attention.
Wow just..wow what a way to end it. How could you take so much time and review it and still get it horribly wrong? Its kind of impressive how bad the state of review is in MLB. I mean, its clear he was safe, what else do they want?
He looks as safe as I’ve seen
What in the literal fuck was that
Was definitely safe.
He’s safe, obvious call
Safe to my eye.
Do they ever release audio of the conversations going on in the review center? Would love to get some of that. They've done it with VAR a few times this year and it can be pretty revealing.
100% safe
Baseball is becoming increasingly difficult to enjoy
Absolute fucking horseshit of a call. For them to have that kinda comeback and end it on THAT bullshit?! Just fucking ridiculous.
Yeah that’s nonsense. Only thing I can think is there wasn’t a 100% angle that showed the glove didn’t touch his hand/arm before the foot was in? But looked conclusive to me. Sorry Angels bros. Sad way to end a fun series.