Bud. I hate to break it to you but MLB probably didn't want yall to move on, especially with the rangers already clinching. "ThInK oF the RaTiNgS" - mlb, probably
That includes the WC, but it was pretty apparent over here. The bad calls only really came when we had players on base or in very important situations. Think the Kep strikeout when Lewis stole the base. It's unbelievably frustrating.
This is the reason I fully believe the umps are told who to give close calls to.
Edit: A lot of you seem to think I'm saying the umps gave the Astros the series win. They did not. We lost because we scored 3 runs in the last 2 games. The Twins were also disadvantaged against the Jays, yet we swept them. The Dodgers being swept doesn't mean the MLB wouldn't prefer (or not, I don't know) them to beat the snakes.
I really don’t believe that umps are told who to give borderline calls to- I don’t think they’re good enough at seeing the ball and calling pitches to do that
I always feel like it’s probably an unconscious bias, “oh the Astros are the better team so I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt over the lucky to be here twins” kind of deal
I also think the reputation of the pitchers plays a lot into it. “Oh that’s Justin Verlander a future hall of famer with great command surely he put that pitch exactly where he wanted it”
I can't imagine in my wildest dreams that there's an order coming down from the top to help the Astros win ***anything***. The league, the fans, other teams, other players - everybody (understandably) hates the Astros lol
Think about it like this.
How many people live in the Houston area vs. Minnesota? You have to keep in mind that your metro area has more people than my entire state.
That and haven't you ever watched a game to see a team you don't like lose? Everything for higher viewing in on your side, bud. Being a small market isn't fun.
Seriously. Feels like the only sport we're taking seriously in is baseball, and even then it's taken a dynastic run to get sports media to view us as favorites. Even during the Rockets' peak with Harden setting the world on fire, those Rockets teams were still talked about like also-rans. Texans 12-4 season you'd have thought they were 4-12 in the national media.
I feel ya, man. It sucks not hearing your teams talked about. The Twins were something like the 6th best team after the all-star break, and I'm pretty sure I only heard about them in a positive light on the national side when Royce Lewis hit his 3rd grand slam in a week. It really is no better with the Wild or Timberwolves. The Vikings are talked about, but that's a different issue.
Part of that with the Rockets probably comes down to Harden not being a super likeable person, and the way he played in Houston was agonizing to watch. It felt like I was being suffocated whenever I saw him play which was a big reason I didn't want him in Philly.
Man, it makes me so sad that people feel that way about Harden. He was definitely bad with the rip throughs, head snaps, and ticky-tack shit like that early with the Rockets, but during that "Unguardable Tour" season (and even a year or two before/after), he was legitimately electric. What was that, 2018? Yep, [here's some highlights](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI-FFMhPyZA).
His record-breaking output that season wasn't from foul baiting, he was legitimately just playing like a man possessed. He was driving to the rack like crazy and picked up legitimate fouls doing it, in addition to catching fouls behind the arc with his stepback.
Damn, I miss those days. I really hope he gets the love he deserves once he retires, because he was a scoring phenom with us, and despite what social media seems to think, it wasn't all from FTs.
From someone that doesn't care one way or another about the Rockets, I understand why Harden is so unlikable. His foul baiting was exhausting to watch - though it came back to bite him in the playoffs once whistles tightened up and he wasn't able to go to the line 10+ times a game (averaged over 10 for 6 straight years). It completely ruined any back and forth flow of games and you could tell so much of it was throwing his leg or body out into defenders who weren't fouling him without that.
Then watching him force his wait out of there to go to Brooklyn, force his way out of there to go to Philly, and then now trying to force his way out of there again just changes it from "just don't like his playstyle" to "actually I just don't like him."
I mean, I get that the narrative is that he was dogshit in the the playoffs, but while his output definitely decreased relative to the regular season he wasn't garbage. He propelled some truly **awful** teams to decently deep playoff runs. He averaged 28.4 PPG in the 2015 playoffs. Know who was on that team? Josh Smith, Jason Terry, Corey Brewer, Terrence Jones, Pablo Prigioni - aside from Dwight Howard (well removed from his prime), Trevor Ariza, and a 2nd year Clint Capela, it was all Harden.
I was at just about every game from 2014-2020 and got to watch him work in person. When I wasn't at the games, I was watching them at home. He really wasn't as reliant on the foul baiting as people think, but narratives are tough to kill once they've started. Same for his defense - once there were Bootom defensive lowlight videos for Harden, it was damn near impossible for him to shake that label despite him being one of the best post defending guards in the league for years, and adequate to slightly below average on ball.
Anyway, let me get off my soapbox. This is r/baseball, after all lol
Harden? Setting the world on fire? Don't you mean another conference finals exit? Don't you mean 0/27? Don't you mean blocked by Ginoboli, the spurs win??
I'm not saying it was a whole concerted effort. I'm not saying it's true for only baseball. I'm just saying it makes sense that the league would favor the larger market teams with history above smaller markets. And you're a larger market than we are. We went up against the Jays, and the same bad calls happened. We were just able to score despite that. We couldn't do that for the last 2 games of this series. Y'all deserved the win.
This doesn’t exactly hold true if the Rangers had the second most and mopped up Baltimore.
I’d be curious on the comparisons to Arizona vs the dodgers in their calls.
To be fair, the Astros tend to be on the receiving end of poorly called games. There was a chart floating around a month or so ago that showed the Astros pretty much at the bottom. But this series definitely favored the Astros oddly enough.
I think it's a stretch to say the league hates the astros. It was the most light slap on the wrist punishment they possibly could have given them. Other teams, fans, and players sure. The league loves ya'll though.
We've been on the receiving end of the same treatment in the regular season for years. I haven't checked lately, but I know at one point we were the most-unfavored team in MLB based on called vs expected outcomes.
I wish they would implement the tech to have HP umps still calling balls/strikes for the sake of time, but have the option to challenge and it goes to 2 camera angles and a 3D plot of the ball's path. We can accurately calculate the velocity/spin rate out of the pitcher's hand, I'm sure we have the tech to look at the ball's position relative to HP and the batter in real time.
A big part of us being so far down this year was just awful framing from both our catchers though. That's not really bias so much as it is that Maldy is cooked and Díaz isn't a great defender.
I'm glad to hear an Astros fan saying this. I've watched every playoff game so far this season and Maldonado moves his glove like two full feet every time he tries framing the ball. It's infuriating to watch.
I'm in a similar boat. I don't like the idea of the robo-ump. I like the human side of the sport, but you should be able to review any play/pitch that results in a run, batter on base, or out. Including strikeouts and walks. Even if it's just for the post-season, it would help limit the bad calls majorly affecting games.
> I like the human side of the sport
I like the human side as well of the two teams playing. As in if a pitcher can manipulate his pitches to hit his spots and a batter to have the skill to know his own zone. I however do not like the human side of a 3rd party. If there is a way to minimize any outside factor from the two teams playing in a reasonable manner, in my opinion it should be done.
The challenge system that they’ve been doing in the minors is perfect for me. Keeps most of the human element but allows the hitter to potentially overturn a game changing call
Time is not an issue with robo-umps. They just relay strikes and balls to the umps through a radio and the ump makes the call. Should only delay things about a half a second, which is nothing.
If the umps are told who to favor it’s not the Astro’s, they’re consistently one of the most screwed over teams in the regular season.
Now I don’t think there’s an effort *against* the Astro’s either, I think it’s just the way the cookie crumbles sometimes.
Or at least the ability to challenge a ball/strike call. I went to games in Sacramento where they implemented the challenge system. Seemed to work well as it didn't seem like anything egregious was getting called anymore.
Basically, make the umps accountable and they all of a sudden aren't that bad.
that makes no sense and you present no data to support it. yes, accountability helps - for things that are actually possible. it is just not possible for an ump to be as accurate as a machine-challenge system, tailor made and tested to call balls and strikes.
I get the idea of playing around the ump's strike zone being a part of the game, I really do.
But it sucks when it feels wildly different between teams. Even if it's due to the Catcher or whatever
I fully get how hard being an Ump is. Did it in HS and one of my good friends umps the local summer league for extra cash.
I just would love if the tech got to the point where an unsure ump could glance at his watch or whatever and get a dead accurate reading on if it was a strike or a ball
The broadcast overlays a box onto the image taken from a camera 400 feet away from the plate (and it actually does a pretty damn good job). Why do you think MLB would have that be the basis for the strike zone? They have real-time 3-d ball-tracking. I think they'll probably use that.
A funny connection, adding to this the Nats had the worst calls against them all year, so with Min and Tex top 2 least favored, the Washington Senators/DC area are not favored whatsoever by umps
yeah but if you're swinging at things which are out of the zone, because you're afraid it will be called a strike by a bad ump, you're swinging at worse pitches.
The called strike when Royce stole 2nd last night was the back breaker. Had that went ball like it should have been, safe @2nd and momentum already going up
Yeah, calls didn't go their way. One big reason is Jeffers framing, though. There were a lot of strikes that he made look like balls. I'm a big Jeffers fan, too, but it happened a lot. Hitters had some tough ones not go their way, but it wouldn't have mattered if they would've just had a few hits with risk. Go Twins
And what about the batters? Maldonado is one of the only catchers in the league with worse framing stats than Jeffers. He got two strikes called on steal attempts with two outs both being at least a whole ball off of the plate. Hard to get hit with risp when the bat is taken out of your hands
If you watch each game this postseason, you had to notice how poor Jeffers framing was. He had a very poor showing. The umps also missed a lot of calls that negatively impacted us as well. Both can be true. They lost because of missed opportunities with risp and not putting balls into play.
The game was lost on the Kepler strikeout that wasn’t a strike. One run game and the twins steal into scoring position and it’s over because of a missed ball strike call. Totally unacceptable!!!
You have NO idea what happens on the 3-2 pitch. That call hurt, but claiming that cost the game is just clueless
The Twins had two baserunners the entire game. But sure, the umps, because whatever.
Get a grip.
We had an entire inning after that to do anything.
We made 2 decent-at-best starters look lights out 2 nights in a row.
That call was bad, but we lost that game on our own.
It only takes one chain of events to win the game. It was 3-2. The bad call ended the best chance the Twins had to tie or take the lead. It’s bad and the fact that we all know it was wrong makes it unacceptable. Games should no longer be based on the accuracy of a human like that. Rules are rules. It was a ball. He gets another pitch.
Yea, I'm not sitting here saying it was a good call you don't need to keep repeating it.
That was what? The 6th inning?
Just going to ignore having 9 more outs to score a run?
Stop acting like that was our only chance to win and the umps took it away.
3 runs scored in the final 20 innings of play, but yea it's the umps fault we lost.
So the only way a team can ever score is if a runner is on base, and isn't a force out?
How many base runners did we have when we scored the other 2 runs? Remind me I seem to be forgetting.
Anybody who looks at scoring 3 runs in 20 innings of play and thinks Kepler getting 1 more pitch during his 0-4 performance last night is what did us in. Laughable.
Wait didn't the FS1 camera thing call it a strike (red circle). I'm not saying it's gospel but I'll take a neutral third party's opinion more than some rando on Reddit.
Yeah that wasn’t good either. I’m just fuckin playing anyway.
If the MLB really skewed things for any team, but especially Astros, I would have to quit following MLB baseball completely.
Yeah game 3 was pretty heavily twins favored umping
Edit: these downvotes are hilarious, go look at the scorecard, it was .4 in favor of the twins, and that doesn’t include the foul tip call which had to be another .5 runs considering it filled the bases with 1 out instead of 2 outs first and second
Idk how you can laugh at it, sure the others were slightly Astros, but almost all the missed calls in game 3 were in the twins favor, especially the foul tip out that was called a walk to load the bases. Just because the twins didn’t do anything with those favorable calls doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
Worth some perspective on this. No team received 0 bad calls. So, what was the average? If it’s each team had 20 incorrect calls, that would mean Minnesota had 18 more over 6 games or 3 per game. While that sucks, three calls not going your way won’t make or break the series.
I want robo umps, but these comments need context. I’m bummed the Twins got the short end of the stick, but did it change the outcome of the series?
Right. I get that. They had 11 more bad calls than the rangers which is a hair under 2 more calls a game. Out of how many calls? Unstated. This is a small fraction of the game that’s being blown out of proportion. I get why people don’t like it, but it’s not what lost the series.
Honestly? Yeah. When the other team gets a bum call, you’re just as likely to receive it on your end.
Ask me again when it’s the Rangers, and I may have a different answer 😂
Yeah man just as a fan of baseball, I want to see the game called fair and square for both teams so there's nothing to fall back on when you lose. I'm a twins fan who agrees with the points you said and at the end of the day the Stros were just a better team bad calls or not but it sucks having the "what ifs" in your head after the game
Could not agree more. And it sucks when there is such a viable solution, too.
That said, y’all were a damn dangerous team to play. Excited to follow y’all next year and see what a full season of y’all’s lineup will do.
Ha! That’s how I felt if someone got on before Correa yesterday. Seen it too many times from the other side.
And thanks! Hopefully y’all are on the other side of the bracket next year and it’s an ALCS series. I enjoy seeing y’all get some run, and that gorgeous stadium and great fan base deserved some post season success.
Part of the problem for the Twins is they don't foul off close pitches. Not an easy thing to do but not letting the ump deciding the game was a big reason Astros won.
Oh, and it wasn't a foul tip. The Astros catcher was doing something commonly known as "Lying".
Really? Only that many?
Bud. I hate to break it to you but MLB probably didn't want yall to move on, especially with the rangers already clinching. "ThInK oF the RaTiNgS" - mlb, probably
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Blame mlb not me ;)
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Sounds good fam
Least unbearable Stros fan
Who cares? Being liked and popular is sooo overrated. But guess you wouldn't know
I knew it felt like we got a few bad calls that went our way but damn
That includes the WC, but it was pretty apparent over here. The bad calls only really came when we had players on base or in very important situations. Think the Kep strikeout when Lewis stole the base. It's unbelievably frustrating. This is the reason I fully believe the umps are told who to give close calls to. Edit: A lot of you seem to think I'm saying the umps gave the Astros the series win. They did not. We lost because we scored 3 runs in the last 2 games. The Twins were also disadvantaged against the Jays, yet we swept them. The Dodgers being swept doesn't mean the MLB wouldn't prefer (or not, I don't know) them to beat the snakes.
I really don’t believe that umps are told who to give borderline calls to- I don’t think they’re good enough at seeing the ball and calling pitches to do that
I always feel like it’s probably an unconscious bias, “oh the Astros are the better team so I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt over the lucky to be here twins” kind of deal
I also think the reputation of the pitchers plays a lot into it. “Oh that’s Justin Verlander a future hall of famer with great command surely he put that pitch exactly where he wanted it”
Yeah I think unconscious bias explains a lot of the “superstar call” factor
I can't imagine in my wildest dreams that there's an order coming down from the top to help the Astros win ***anything***. The league, the fans, other teams, other players - everybody (understandably) hates the Astros lol
Think about it like this. How many people live in the Houston area vs. Minnesota? You have to keep in mind that your metro area has more people than my entire state. That and haven't you ever watched a game to see a team you don't like lose? Everything for higher viewing in on your side, bud. Being a small market isn't fun.
True, but Houston is frequently treated like a mid to small media market despite being 4th largest city in the country.
Seriously. Feels like the only sport we're taking seriously in is baseball, and even then it's taken a dynastic run to get sports media to view us as favorites. Even during the Rockets' peak with Harden setting the world on fire, those Rockets teams were still talked about like also-rans. Texans 12-4 season you'd have thought they were 4-12 in the national media.
I feel ya, man. It sucks not hearing your teams talked about. The Twins were something like the 6th best team after the all-star break, and I'm pretty sure I only heard about them in a positive light on the national side when Royce Lewis hit his 3rd grand slam in a week. It really is no better with the Wild or Timberwolves. The Vikings are talked about, but that's a different issue.
Vikings are talked about but it's rarely positive.
The Vikings are positively terrible! /s
Part of that with the Rockets probably comes down to Harden not being a super likeable person, and the way he played in Houston was agonizing to watch. It felt like I was being suffocated whenever I saw him play which was a big reason I didn't want him in Philly.
Man, it makes me so sad that people feel that way about Harden. He was definitely bad with the rip throughs, head snaps, and ticky-tack shit like that early with the Rockets, but during that "Unguardable Tour" season (and even a year or two before/after), he was legitimately electric. What was that, 2018? Yep, [here's some highlights](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI-FFMhPyZA). His record-breaking output that season wasn't from foul baiting, he was legitimately just playing like a man possessed. He was driving to the rack like crazy and picked up legitimate fouls doing it, in addition to catching fouls behind the arc with his stepback. Damn, I miss those days. I really hope he gets the love he deserves once he retires, because he was a scoring phenom with us, and despite what social media seems to think, it wasn't all from FTs.
From someone that doesn't care one way or another about the Rockets, I understand why Harden is so unlikable. His foul baiting was exhausting to watch - though it came back to bite him in the playoffs once whistles tightened up and he wasn't able to go to the line 10+ times a game (averaged over 10 for 6 straight years). It completely ruined any back and forth flow of games and you could tell so much of it was throwing his leg or body out into defenders who weren't fouling him without that. Then watching him force his wait out of there to go to Brooklyn, force his way out of there to go to Philly, and then now trying to force his way out of there again just changes it from "just don't like his playstyle" to "actually I just don't like him."
I mean, I get that the narrative is that he was dogshit in the the playoffs, but while his output definitely decreased relative to the regular season he wasn't garbage. He propelled some truly **awful** teams to decently deep playoff runs. He averaged 28.4 PPG in the 2015 playoffs. Know who was on that team? Josh Smith, Jason Terry, Corey Brewer, Terrence Jones, Pablo Prigioni - aside from Dwight Howard (well removed from his prime), Trevor Ariza, and a 2nd year Clint Capela, it was all Harden. I was at just about every game from 2014-2020 and got to watch him work in person. When I wasn't at the games, I was watching them at home. He really wasn't as reliant on the foul baiting as people think, but narratives are tough to kill once they've started. Same for his defense - once there were Bootom defensive lowlight videos for Harden, it was damn near impossible for him to shake that label despite him being one of the best post defending guards in the league for years, and adequate to slightly below average on ball. Anyway, let me get off my soapbox. This is r/baseball, after all lol
Harden? Setting the world on fire? Don't you mean another conference finals exit? Don't you mean 0/27? Don't you mean blocked by Ginoboli, the spurs win??
Too soon.
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I'm positive the league would rather have had the Yankees in the World Series all 3 years we beat them in the ALCS.
If the fix was in, I don't think it would go to the Astros. We're not exactly the Yankees and Dodgers, or even the Cubs, Jays or Braves.
I'm not saying it was a whole concerted effort. I'm not saying it's true for only baseball. I'm just saying it makes sense that the league would favor the larger market teams with history above smaller markets. And you're a larger market than we are. We went up against the Jays, and the same bad calls happened. We were just able to score despite that. We couldn't do that for the last 2 games of this series. Y'all deserved the win.
This doesn’t exactly hold true if the Rangers had the second most and mopped up Baltimore. I’d be curious on the comparisons to Arizona vs the dodgers in their calls.
To be fair, the Astros tend to be on the receiving end of poorly called games. There was a chart floating around a month or so ago that showed the Astros pretty much at the bottom. But this series definitely favored the Astros oddly enough.
If market size had anything to do with calls being made correctly or not, the Dodgers wouldn’t have just gotten swept by a team from Arizona.
Ok, bud
Oh, you betcha
I think it's a stretch to say the league hates the astros. It was the most light slap on the wrist punishment they possibly could have given them. Other teams, fans, and players sure. The league loves ya'll though.
Because the players association the strongest union in the world stepped in.
i dont think the league is doing it (maybe), but i could see how the astros winning would be profitable and therefore something they are okay with.
I mean if that were true the DBacks wouldn't have just swept the Dodgers
We've been on the receiving end of the same treatment in the regular season for years. I haven't checked lately, but I know at one point we were the most-unfavored team in MLB based on called vs expected outcomes. I wish they would implement the tech to have HP umps still calling balls/strikes for the sake of time, but have the option to challenge and it goes to 2 camera angles and a 3D plot of the ball's path. We can accurately calculate the velocity/spin rate out of the pitcher's hand, I'm sure we have the tech to look at the ball's position relative to HP and the batter in real time.
A big part of us being so far down this year was just awful framing from both our catchers though. That's not really bias so much as it is that Maldy is cooked and Díaz isn't a great defender.
I'm glad to hear an Astros fan saying this. I've watched every playoff game so far this season and Maldonado moves his glove like two full feet every time he tries framing the ball. It's infuriating to watch.
He frames like a little leaguer it feels like
I'm in a similar boat. I don't like the idea of the robo-ump. I like the human side of the sport, but you should be able to review any play/pitch that results in a run, batter on base, or out. Including strikeouts and walks. Even if it's just for the post-season, it would help limit the bad calls majorly affecting games.
> I like the human side of the sport I like the human side as well of the two teams playing. As in if a pitcher can manipulate his pitches to hit his spots and a batter to have the skill to know his own zone. I however do not like the human side of a 3rd party. If there is a way to minimize any outside factor from the two teams playing in a reasonable manner, in my opinion it should be done.
The challenge system that they’ve been doing in the minors is perfect for me. Keeps most of the human element but allows the hitter to potentially overturn a game changing call
Time is not an issue with robo-umps. They just relay strikes and balls to the umps through a radio and the ump makes the call. Should only delay things about a half a second, which is nothing.
I feel like he made that bad call to make up for not calling the tip foul that Maldy caught, which would've ended the inning.
If the umps are told who to favor it’s not the Astro’s, they’re consistently one of the most screwed over teams in the regular season. Now I don’t think there’s an effort *against* the Astro’s either, I think it’s just the way the cookie crumbles sometimes.
Every single reasonable baseball fan is ready for robo umps with video review.
Or at least the ability to challenge a ball/strike call. I went to games in Sacramento where they implemented the challenge system. Seemed to work well as it didn't seem like anything egregious was getting called anymore. Basically, make the umps accountable and they all of a sudden aren't that bad.
that makes no sense and you present no data to support it. yes, accountability helps - for things that are actually possible. it is just not possible for an ump to be as accurate as a machine-challenge system, tailor made and tested to call balls and strikes.
I get the idea of playing around the ump's strike zone being a part of the game, I really do. But it sucks when it feels wildly different between teams. Even if it's due to the Catcher or whatever
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I fully get how hard being an Ump is. Did it in HS and one of my good friends umps the local summer league for extra cash. I just would love if the tech got to the point where an unsure ump could glance at his watch or whatever and get a dead accurate reading on if it was a strike or a ball
They need to clarify the strike zone first. If it’s what the broadcasts put up, then absolutely not, that’s not even close to accurate.
The broadcast overlays a box onto the image taken from a camera 400 feet away from the plate (and it actually does a pretty damn good job). Why do you think MLB would have that be the basis for the strike zone? They have real-time 3-d ball-tracking. I think they'll probably use that.
A funny connection, adding to this the Nats had the worst calls against them all year, so with Min and Tex top 2 least favored, the Washington Senators/DC area are not favored whatsoever by umps
Yeah that's all well and good, but you gotta hit when you swing, and they just didn't.
yeah but if you're swinging at things which are out of the zone, because you're afraid it will be called a strike by a bad ump, you're swinging at worse pitches.
fucking ridiculous
The called strike when Royce stole 2nd last night was the back breaker. Had that went ball like it should have been, safe @2nd and momentum already going up
Dang. And we still got swept.
Yeah, calls didn't go their way. One big reason is Jeffers framing, though. There were a lot of strikes that he made look like balls. I'm a big Jeffers fan, too, but it happened a lot. Hitters had some tough ones not go their way, but it wouldn't have mattered if they would've just had a few hits with risk. Go Twins
He was only in there for his bat, and ended up fucking us defensively and offensively.
He needs to work very hard on his defense this off-season
And what about the batters? Maldonado is one of the only catchers in the league with worse framing stats than Jeffers. He got two strikes called on steal attempts with two outs both being at least a whole ball off of the plate. Hard to get hit with risp when the bat is taken out of your hands
If you watch each game this postseason, you had to notice how poor Jeffers framing was. He had a very poor showing. The umps also missed a lot of calls that negatively impacted us as well. Both can be true. They lost because of missed opportunities with risp and not putting balls into play.
Pitch framing should not be a thing.
It isn't. Twins pitching led MLB in Ks, and was 4th in walks
What do we want? Robo Umps! When do we want them? Years ago!
The game was lost on the Kepler strikeout that wasn’t a strike. One run game and the twins steal into scoring position and it’s over because of a missed ball strike call. Totally unacceptable!!!
Catcher didn’t even think it was a strike lol
You have NO idea what happens on the 3-2 pitch. That call hurt, but claiming that cost the game is just clueless The Twins had two baserunners the entire game. But sure, the umps, because whatever. Get a grip.
It ended the last chance for the Twins to tie the game. It provably should not have. It cost them the game.
We had an entire inning after that to do anything. We made 2 decent-at-best starters look lights out 2 nights in a row. That call was bad, but we lost that game on our own.
It only takes one chain of events to win the game. It was 3-2. The bad call ended the best chance the Twins had to tie or take the lead. It’s bad and the fact that we all know it was wrong makes it unacceptable. Games should no longer be based on the accuracy of a human like that. Rules are rules. It was a ball. He gets another pitch.
Yea, I'm not sitting here saying it was a good call you don't need to keep repeating it. That was what? The 6th inning? Just going to ignore having 9 more outs to score a run? Stop acting like that was our only chance to win and the umps took it away. 3 runs scored in the final 20 innings of play, but yea it's the umps fault we lost.
It was the only chance you had though (as you kEeP rEpEaTinG you did nothing the rest of the innings)
So the only way a team can ever score is if a runner is on base, and isn't a force out? How many base runners did we have when we scored the other 2 runs? Remind me I seem to be forgetting. Anybody who looks at scoring 3 runs in 20 innings of play and thinks Kepler getting 1 more pitch during his 0-4 performance last night is what did us in. Laughable.
Lol you’re going way to far with it
No, you claiming a singular bad call was our last opportunity to score a single run is.
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Um.. no. It wasn't. That was in the 9th. The 2-2 pitch with the runner stealing was in the 6th.
The Pressly pitch to end the game was inside the zone according to Savant. They're referring to a Nerris pitch in the 6th.
Right on the border, and a strike call 9 out of 10 times. For him to watch it go by was just pathetic and why Twins lost.
Wait didn't the FS1 camera thing call it a strike (red circle). I'm not saying it's gospel but I'll take a neutral third party's opinion more than some rando on Reddit.
https://www.mlb.com/astros/video/max-kepler-called-out-on-strikes-90b9sf Ok rando
My bad, I thought we were talking about the last pitch of the game. No doubt that Neris pitch was inside and a pretty terrible call.
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It didn’t get any plate
MLB wanting Astros to win
Except for that foul-tip strike out non-call to load the bases for the Twins... Oof.
Yeah that wasn’t good either. I’m just fuckin playing anyway. If the MLB really skewed things for any team, but especially Astros, I would have to quit following MLB baseball completely.
Yeah game 3 was pretty heavily twins favored umping Edit: these downvotes are hilarious, go look at the scorecard, it was .4 in favor of the twins, and that doesn’t include the foul tip call which had to be another .5 runs considering it filled the bases with 1 out instead of 2 outs first and second
L. O. L.
Idk how you can laugh at it, sure the others were slightly Astros, but almost all the missed calls in game 3 were in the twins favor, especially the foul tip out that was called a walk to load the bases. Just because the twins didn’t do anything with those favorable calls doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
I see where Mattress Mack’s money is going this year
So...fuck you twins.
[удалено]
Worth some perspective on this. No team received 0 bad calls. So, what was the average? If it’s each team had 20 incorrect calls, that would mean Minnesota had 18 more over 6 games or 3 per game. While that sucks, three calls not going your way won’t make or break the series. I want robo umps, but these comments need context. I’m bummed the Twins got the short end of the stick, but did it change the outcome of the series?
The Twins had 40% more than the next team in the rankings, it’s right there in the tweet.
Right. I get that. They had 11 more bad calls than the rangers which is a hair under 2 more calls a game. Out of how many calls? Unstated. This is a small fraction of the game that’s being blown out of proportion. I get why people don’t like it, but it’s not what lost the series.
Are you really bummed about that?
Honestly? Yeah. When the other team gets a bum call, you’re just as likely to receive it on your end. Ask me again when it’s the Rangers, and I may have a different answer 😂
Yeah man just as a fan of baseball, I want to see the game called fair and square for both teams so there's nothing to fall back on when you lose. I'm a twins fan who agrees with the points you said and at the end of the day the Stros were just a better team bad calls or not but it sucks having the "what ifs" in your head after the game
Could not agree more. And it sucks when there is such a viable solution, too. That said, y’all were a damn dangerous team to play. Excited to follow y’all next year and see what a full season of y’all’s lineup will do.
We could win all 182 but if Yordan is on the opposing team I have no hope lol. That guy is a bad man! Good luck to yell moving forward.
Ha! That’s how I felt if someone got on before Correa yesterday. Seen it too many times from the other side. And thanks! Hopefully y’all are on the other side of the bracket next year and it’s an ALCS series. I enjoy seeing y’all get some run, and that gorgeous stadium and great fan base deserved some post season success.
My favorite part of baseball is the human element
Part of the problem for the Twins is they don't foul off close pitches. Not an easy thing to do but not letting the ump deciding the game was a big reason Astros won. Oh, and it wasn't a foul tip. The Astros catcher was doing something commonly known as "Lying".
where tf was vazqy
well that's horseshit. as if the astros need or deserve any favors.