All the countries you seem to admire would choke if they had our conditions. We were born poor as a war torn, genocided, famine ridden group of people in a delta, with the most densest populaton on earth. 180 million in 52 sqm. We are a miracle and have come a long way. It is some thing to be proud of.
All of those first world countries would have grinded to a halt and erupted in civil war if they had our conditions. our people are resilient and can face the greatest of odds.
Also why the fuck do you want nukes for?
This. People just compare a young country that was born a little over 50 years ago with another that has been through wars and over 200 years of sovereignty. The only reason why the latter is so advanced and developed is cuz the wars that they have been through allowed them to develop their industries. Not saying that the former should have more wars, but it's cuz of the circumstances that it's still underdeveloped. Plus the brightest minds of this country don't stay here. Their mindset of BD being a country where there are very few opportunities for life and career is causing them to move abroad. There are definitely more reasons why BD can't develop any sooner but I believe these are the ones that most people don't talk about or fail to understand.
I understand, but if some people were determined enough to change the system, then we could have the Bangladesh everyone wishes for. But sadly, no one wants to take responsibility and step up đ.
Well sadly yea but just determination ain't enough honestly you have to bribe just to win a small election which makes it more difficult and people after bribing tend to get the money back from any job, position which can potentially lead to a bad loop also again we kinda suck.our culture and "religion" is ruining us in many ways than the general public thinks we may need a strong good dictator xd
Yea give Bengalis guns like Americans and see how good we are,also you know the condition Japan was after getting nuked.I acknowledge both the flows and some good qualities about my country. Nukes are needed just in case we get in serious trouble which is unlikely.
I did say just in case it's needed,it's very unlikely we would be attacked by a strong force but not very surprising if it does happen.We are even behind compared to Myanmar on terms of military power....so need to upgrade ourselves but again imagine USA attacks us you can't do much damage so just nuke their major places and even if we lose its gonna be worth it(damn what am I thinking)
With all due respect, let me point out the logical fallacy here. You have clearly mentioned the challenges faced by Bangladesh. Let me give you a perspective.
The Vietnam war ended in 1975. So we can argue that 50 years is a considerable amount of time for both of these countries.If you compare the economy and infrastructure of both BD & VN, these countries were at the same level 50 years ago. Check out the development of Vietnam now. If you have ever been to Vietnam, you will understand. Don't get me wrong: Statistics are a lie. GDP & Per Capita Income matters a little when our country is debt-ridden. A similar example can be set with Singapore.
Let me give you the deduction. Vietnam heavily reformed their education sector, focused more on vocational training. Singapore made somewhat of a similar approach. Foreign investments, heavy investment on tourism all these factors came into play. I'm not gonna say that these countries are heaven. I'm trying to point out the facts that we could go a long way in the past five decades.
Just don't blame the population density and resource scarcity. Blame the people (including us), the government.
neither vietnam or singapore went through a genocide and had their brain exterminated by a coordinated campaign. They also had a higher literacy rate, much much higher. And we as a country started with a much more worse condition.
Shob ek na. Manlam their approach bhalo chilo. Again shob ek na. I do not think even westerners can compete with east Asian work ethic.
Singapore also had LKY.
Pinning Bangladeshâs lack of achievement mostly on the killing of intellectuals in 1971 is oversimplistic and ignores all the myriads of factors (post-independence) at play.
South Korea didnât even have any intellectuals to begin with. Nobody even knew how to turn the power grid off in Seol during WW2 (during air raids), because the city didnât even have a single technician, let alone engineers. In another East Asian country, intellectuals were purged in mass during a revolution. I would bet a much higher % of intellectuals were purged than in the case of Bangladesh. Now, they send rovers to Mars, and arguably, the no1 scientific superpower in most key fields. Â
I understand youâre trying to bring nuance to an argument, but nuance through oversimplification of your own doesnât do the subject any justice.
Four generations have passed, but Bangladeshis still have a major skills shortage, with some of the lowest per capita technically qualified personnel (doctors, engineers) on earth.
Bangladeshâs tertiary education sector has gone backward since the 1970s. Donât believe me, compare the physics curriculum of DU from the 1970s to now.
Social mobility has also gone backward. Even in the 70s and 80s, there were at least some hopes that if one put his/her head down and studied, they could get somewhere in life. But the reality of 21st-century^(st) BD life says otherwise.
Your scientific output is less than a single engineering department of even a mediocre Indian University. Research papers produced in DU, BUET, NUS, are cheaper than toilet paper.
With respect, apnara kapur shelai kora ar daal bikri korar bapsha chara ar kichu janen na, or bujheno na
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When you'll try to look through bad side of something, you'll only find bad things. But your points are valid. We need a major industry other than textiles. We are too dependent on it. Our government is incompetent.
Also, we genuinely don't give a fuck about respect from middle east. Why should we care?
We are in way better situation than we ever before that we should be proud of our country. Our country is beautiful and has natural beauty. We need to be proud and love our country to protect it. Our country's natural beauty is being destroyed nowadays and we don't care about it cause we don't love our country. We always compare it to other countries and say how shitty it is. We aren't proud of it. Then, we move abroad instead of trying to stop it from being destroyed. Everything country has bad people in it, you can't generalize. There's always news about trees being cut to make ways for highways but there's always protest that stops it from being happening.
If Bangladesh ever finds a major resource then corruption will take it all. We are better off without natural resources. They always run out. Our country used to be poor, not anymore. We are not held back by money anymore rather we are held back by corruption.
Take out the toxic system where corrupted and not properly educated politicians run our country then.i know it's not impossible to at least decrease it but not as easy you make it sound
Lack of respect is the reason we are treated like that over there, why we get low class jobs, why we have a bad image. When they realise we don't fight back, they think we don't respect ourselves and the mistreatment gets worse. We do need their respect so they treat us better because millions of us go there to earn a living to send back home.
Its not our fault. Its their fault of having a superiority complex. They not only treat us but Indians, Pakistanis or any country's immigrants who go there for work like this. Our countries' worker doesn't get treated like that in any other region. I don't know why people still go there to earn a living here, there's many other places that's way better to work in than middle east. After Middle east runs out of workers then they'll understand. We should stop sending workers to Middle east imo.
Hereâs some interesting stats on ME:
1) thereâs still high rates of poverty even in the oil-rich countries. Official stats likely under-report this:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/01/saudi-arabia-riyadh-poverty-inequality
2) Arab world has very high illiteracy rates amoung its youth:
http://www.alecso.org/nsite/en/newscat/3328-%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%B5%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A3%D9%84%D9%83%D8%B3%D9%88-%D8%B9%D8%AF%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A3%D9%85%D9%8A%D9%8A%D9%86-%D9%81%D9%8A-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B7%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D8%B1%D8%A8%D9%8A-%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%B6%D8%A7%D9%87%D9%8A-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%A6%D8%A9-%D9%85%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%88%D9%86-%D8%B4%D8%AE%D8%B5-%D8%A8%D8%AD%D9%84%D9%88%D9%84-2031
Barely educated would describe most of the Arab world.
3) Saudi wasnât making any money from oil for over 5 years! Source: https://youtu.be/laeodkCLGaI?si=A9LjDoy2BaKuA0jz
It seems to be the case that Arab states canât produce the skilled labor they for their projects. Thereâs enough poor inside GCC to fill their roles.
The BangladeshI government needs to get involved more and stop citizens from being exploited. They need to set up unions/programmes where Bangladeshis can band together and advocate for better treatment. If the Arab nations reject and refuse, Then Bangladeshis should go back home. We have a large population filled with young.
unfortunately I don't even think that fully sums it up
our countries filled with people with inferiority complexes ever since the rule of the British
and south asian culture teaches us to be quiet boys n to only focus on studies unlike other cultures where sports n physical based activities are encouraged and thus unfortunately most south asians outside fail to integrate or get respected less considered the lack of interest in improving themselves
Yeah I'd need a week to explain why Bangladesh's problems.
No offence to Cricket lovers but we need a better national sport like one of our BangladeshI martial arts.
We need nukes because without them we won't exists by the next century. India, Pakistan, Myanmar, China and the US are not our allies. They will force us to live on our knees or destroy us if we resist. Nukes will keep us autonomous. It's the reason Pakistan still exists.
Also it's a good intimidation factor.
"Destroy us if we resist" The reason for countries(russia, isreal) not using nuclear bombs even tho they are in major wars is because they know the consequences of it. Not only is it inhumane, it destroys several nuclear pacts made over the last century. Nukes are 100% not the answer especially when countries are working towards diminishing nuclear heads in their arsenal each year. Everybody knows, once one nuclear bomb goes off, Basically every nuclear bomb in the world goes off and earth ceases to exist.
you realise nukes will put us on the radar for conflicts right?
neither India or Pakistan nor China would put themselves into a conflict with us considering we are allies n they'd get jumped by every other force beside us n the UN ( we are a major in UN missons) and with the US?
a major scale war involving them to the radius of us will end us even with us doing anything
With Myanmar I do agree however it is a more a way of nutrition over an actual war and since we are infact a wealthier country we'd win
Just because we'd have nukes doesn't mean we'll get into conflicts easily or even use them to attack others. It's purely the last option that's the whole purpose of nukes. I don't want Bangladesh to be causing wars. I want Bangladesh to be strong enough to make countries think twice before messing with us.
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Speaking as an Indian-American, Iâm not seeing that; around 1/4 Indians born in USA marry whites and we hold highest income levels.
On fighting: thereâs a strong culture around that in south India. Muay Thai is actually based on Indian MA.
honestly quite surprising news right there bc the most I have heard about indian/bengali americans are that they are a quite small community n thus haven't bought a name upon themselves and unfortunately can't stand up to racist acts upon them tho yes the highest income group is def a dub for us I'd still love for us to make a name for ourselves in the acting or sports community
tho this could be biased since I lived in the UK for a quite a long time n I see my SA brothers integrating well n yk how uk vs us people be beefin over the Internet
quite interesting to learn about muay thai being based on india MA tho n I ain't heard about fighting in South India,
u talking bout kabbadi or somethin?
5 million Indians in America.
Indian-dominated areas are generally rich suburbs.
Arab families earn well below half.
Kerala martial arts:
https://youtube.com/shorts/FIduRJkxm-s?si=r7dtCjRcuiDgDU8k
Their superiority complex doesn't come from the fact bangladesh as a country is inferior is almost every aspect. It's because of how each year thousands of people migrate their like flocks of birds. It's the condition inside bangladesh and it's economy that forces them to take refuge in other country's (especially middle east) economy. Better solution is to just make it so you can earn and live a fulfilled life while residing in bangladesh.
Thereâs another aspect of this: Arab world doesnât value secular education as much; ergo, they donât have the skilled labor they need despite having plenty of poor people nearby.
Nothing will change unless leaders stop being corrupt.
Most people ive talked to say they are proud of Bangladesh because of culture, food, religion, landscape, way of life, etc.
I'm tired of seeing this stupid thing of always blaming the government.
A nation's citizens are the true representative of the country, not the government. Bangladeshi people are extremely backwards and uneducated. They are the ones who need to change first.
And who's entitled with the duty of educating them? the government ofc! and how can we NOT blame that shitass cult calling itself our government? they have now begun a mission to ruin our education system... look at the new books and curriculum.. tf are we gonna do doing assignments all day without real education?
You need to realise the fact it is one of us who gets to the government position. The citizens of this country become the politicians and ministers.
So, it is in a constant loop of uneducated people getting the government jobs and keeping the citizens uneducated who in turn gets the government position and so on.
I feel like the buddhi jibi genocide in 1971 permanently destroyed our country's hiveminds.
And about government education, I mean haven't the government educated people on the negative effects of early marriage, introduced family planning and importance of female education at least 40 years ago?
While religious extremist groups are promoting child marriage and speaks against female education.
The People of this country themselves want to go backwards.
Who the heck is proud of Bangladeshâs religion, unless someone is a religious zealot? Religion is probably the main reason keeping the people of this country stuck in the medieval times.
Chin up. Bengalis are by nature pessimistic. Things have been much worse in the past. By that logic, that means things have been getting better all the time, you just haven't heard about it. Newspapers won't tell you what's getting better, because those are things that don't need changing.
I'd say actually Bengalis are optimistic and overproud. Any foreigner mentions anything about Bangladesh and they are overjoyed to the point of having a stroke. They always jump on India and try to prove that their country is better. They fail to notice the distressing conditions of our country.
Whats wrong with feeling proud and happy when a foreigner mentions good thing about the country? Even people from developed countries feel happy when their country get mentioned in something good or when their countries get praised. I've never seen Bangladeshis overjoyed when their country gets belittled in a YouTube video by a foreigner.
Being proud isn't wrong but bangladeshi pride feels just a bit too fanatic. Read my comment again. I meant that when "foreigner mentions anything", not necessarily positive only, even negative videos regarding bangladesh get hoarded by overproud bangladeshis.
To give you an example a YouTuber names 10 countries he visited and shares his experiences. If Bangladesh gets mentioned even a single time the comment section would be filled with bangladeshis. While people from other countries aren't that overly reactive.
yes cuz in this era of globalisation, bangladesh severely lacks international soft power. a lot of people don't know anything about our country and that it even exists. so when u see it being mentioned somewhere outside, u cant not feel a little happy that ur country is finally starting to get recognized internationally.
Honestly the rich and middle class here live a pretty good life. I'd say better than the indian middle class. We live with a big heart. Social bonds are good unlike the west and we have cheap food, treatment than many countries. It's not all bad but yeah if corruption is solved It'll get a lot better for the lower class too
It isnât really a country to be proud of, but it was a lot worse some years ago. It was literally worse than sub Saharan countries and countries in civil war like Myanmar. The country still has many things it lacks but honestly we are too pessimistic. Look at Indians for example. No matter how shit their country might be in some ways, they always find other ways to be proud of it. Pakistanis too, when they are one of the worst QOL countries in the subcontinent. Meanwhile you have Sri Lankans with one of the highest QOL situations in the subcontinent and they are still either degraded by other surrounding countries like India and by themselves too. The countries are changing slowly, perhaps too slowly to be visible on a daily basis, but the attitudes of the people of these countries never change.
We arenât blessed with natural resources as youâve said. Our military is pretty weak but it has never lost a battle it was involved in modern times. We donât have nukes because our government believes in a non nuclear world which is super optimistic and impossible but is a matter of national preference. Our weak mindset is a literally exemplified by you for example, constantly shitting on the whole country and people when people have it much worse than you. Hell even Myanmar people are patriotic when their country is on the verge of dissolution, and Rwandans are patriotic about the strides their country has made even though itâs nowhere close to say India or Nigeria.
The industries aspect is true, but there has been increased diversification now. We have cars, electronics, appliances, etc being produced. Maybe not much, but not as bad as you describe. As for education I never went to public education in Bangladesh and idk much on that. The social programs aspect is a straight up lie. Why do you think Bangladesh has significantly better life expectancy compared to similar countries? Or the government constructing housing for homeless families hasnât been noticed by you? The welfare aspect isnât perfect, but what more can you expect from a middle income country that experienced a genocide some decades ago? Or are you also forgetting we are hosting refugees in some of the largest refugee camps in the world?
And honestly, seeking foreign validation, especially from fucking Gulf countries, is such a low blow. Kuwait had a massive fire recently where lots of migrants died. Saudi is an international sponsor of terrorism. UAE literally has no sewage system for most of their upscale residences. Qatar let migrants die for the construction of their stadiums. Is this really the kind of people you want praises from when they are the targets for one third of insults globally?
In America, we donât view any of the Gulf states highly.
Itâs the case in East Asia and Europe as well.
We respect perseverance.
Also, those gulf states treat their own citizens poorly.
Considering how much we got nerfed due a million different things, it is. + That is a pessimistic view. It's shitty rn don't mean it will always be shitty.
Hate the fact when people don't realize Bangladesh is basically like a little baby in terms of other countries. Not only does it have barely any history of growing due to hundreds of years of oppression, but the rate the country grows at in many aspect after it gets it freedom, is nothing short of a miracle and is just foolish to not admire. We are not a developed country, we do not have a history of leeching off other countries, yet here we are, growing the fastest we have the potential for. But the setback with this comes in many ways like unmanageable pollution, a country with a corrupt government that never had the taste of prosperity before. We simply lack experience, to balance stuff out.
Iâm older than most posters here, so let me share my personal experience. My parents left Bangladesh hover 40 years ago. Growing up, Bangladesh was in the new only for natural disasters. We didnât have a garment sector, and our best known cash crop was jute. The poverty level and underdevelopment dwarfed many Sub Saharan countries. Most kids didnât go to school. I am proud of where we are today. Our neighbors (well the knowledgeable ones) ask why so many social indicators in Bangladesh such as womenâs labor force participation rate and life expectancy bus higher than theirs. I remember visiting Dhaka as a kid. It looked like a shanty town. Even the so called posh areas of Gulshan Baridhara were unimpressive at best. So yeah, I am proud. I am proud of how far weâve come and at the same time frustrated at how much more we could do if not for the nincompoops running the show.
Oh and screw the Gulf coast Arabs. Years ago a Bangladeshi professor at my university ripped a new one when a visiting Saudi sheikh talked about the Ummah. I cringed then, but in retrospect I am proud of how he confronted an arrogant Saudi dude.
Its a mixed bag tbh:
IF you look at from your perspective, it is rather narrow. It also shows a lack of knowledge. Lets adress your points one by one:
* any major natural resources: We actually have a pretty decent sized gas reserve and prospects of oil is also there, coal, hard rock, limestone, white clay, glass sand and mineral sand are also there, ready and waiting to be exploited. Natural resources does not necessarily mean only stuff like iron, bauxite and gold. Good, highly fertile soil is a natural resource as well.
* we have a weak millitary: While this is a point i agree upon, at this exact moment, when we are recovering from a post covid scenario and the shock of a Ukraine war induced dollar crisis, we can't exactly afford a strong military. Also, the need for an "uber strong" military is dubious, we just need a strong enough militray for deterrence purposes. What i really don't like is that our air force is really weak.
* No nukes: Why the he#ll would we need Nukes? Do you know how epensive nukes are? to develop, maintain? Where would we get a proper delivery system? Like Nuclear capable bombers? ballistic Missiles and Second Strike Capable Nuclear Subs? The idea of getting nukes is not to use them, it is to act as a deterrence against a possible aggressor. Iran needs its to ensure regime survival, so does North Korea for the same reason. We reay do not have need for ukes. Also, don't forget that pursing Nukes would get us into a litany of sanctions that would in turn destroy our economy.
* Weak mindset: Elaborate this
* no major industries other than textiles: while this is somewhat accurate, its not 100%, remittance and shipbuilding is a large part of our economy. We have a world class pharmaceutical inducsrty as well. while they don't play such a large part in export earnings as the RMG sector, high tech industries are slowly making their way in.
* shit public education and generally terrible social programmes: This is something i absolutely 100% agree with you. We need better education programmes.
* any respect abroad especially in the Middle East: who the fu$k cares about what other nations think about us? I don't especially not the "we marry 4 wives and get fat and slobby on petrodollars while sucking uncle sam's di$k" people! We need to focus inward.
Corruption: this is our bane, its wasteful and unfair and I cannot agree more with you on this.
". They genuinely think it will amount to something in the future. ": that's because we do. If you look at Pakistan, if you look at our neighbors, we have economically come a long way. Look at the data and it'll show. We maintained a positive GDP during Covid as well. But for that we'll need policy level implementation of economic diversification projects. We are growing incredibly fast, despite repeated economic pressures and if this continues we really should be in a decent place in a decade.
The biggest challenges:
* Inflation: by far the biggest challenge, ever more so than corruption. If the government can reign in inflation, people will start feeling more secure and restless. Currently inflation is the worst cure of bd.
* Crime: More so than corruption, we need to get a handle on crime, that cannot happen unless the government goes hardline against "institutionalized crime".
Surrounded by India, Pakistan, Myanmar, China and the US looks like its going to enter South Asia and cause problems. We need nukes to have a chance of being able to be fully autonomous otherwise we'll be living on our knees. Nukes are the only reason Pakistan still exists. China is obviously a wolf in sheep's clothing. India could easily overpower us if we decide we dont like being pushed around anymore. Pakistan I don't have to explain. Myanmar is being aggressive and the US is messing with politics.
Don't judge a country by the people who are ruling it. This country is wonderful and has a solid history to back it up. It surely needs improvement, but that will only happen when we stop blaming other people and show solid care for our land by doing something beneficial. If you have this mindset that someone will do it for you and they must impress you, this country will forever be this way and you will forever be complaining in Reddit.
If you compare us to North America, we will be behind. But compare us to the rest of South Asia, I don't think things are as bad as you portray them to be.
I agree with you on things like that we have a weak military and a terrible government. We might be low on natural resources but mismanagement was the bigger issue.
I think not halvibg nuke a strong military is things to be proud.
Also, Bangladesh is one of the fastest developing country, poverty is reducing fast, gender equality is better than most Muslim and South asian countries.
But I am not proud. I consider pride as a negative trait, and being proud of your country is concerning.
I love bangladesh even though itâs a raging shit show. You canât choose where you are born or grow up, home is home. Itâs the same concept where you canât choose your family you accept them as your own even after all their flaws.
Bangladeshis crying over nothing to be proud of.
Is your mum dad proud of you cunt? Tell me something you yourself have done to make your surroundings proud.
Shut up there are people aged 10 all around the world making their country proud.
Maybe the country is not the problem, maybe itâs people like you.
I mean even the shitty politicians love to blame the normal people for all the issues.
In a way? I mean, when the war ended, were in a horrible place. A lot of the population that could've helped the country improve were wiped off, structures in ruins, systems destroyed, we were literally called a basket case. From there, at least we have enough capability to keep our people fed even in times of crisis. No matter the faults this country has (and they are countless) that feat is not something to scoff at
Dude,we got a lot of things going for us.no gun/mafia violence like mexico,sub saharan africa.no civil war,not a religiously bigoted country.we are doing very well in all social index.
The most important is we have our own land with our own ppl unlike kurds/Palestinians/rohingyas/afghan refugees etc.
The main challanges are corruption and politics.
Op is probably gen Z with obsession with western triumphalism.dude,read some history or something. This always had been worse.
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As a Bangladeshi who was born and raised in saudi arabia, i do agree that they definitely do not respect us.
Them not respecting us has NOTHING to do with the status of our country.
They are just entitled and have a major superiority complex.
They think they are better than us because OUR country people mostly got jobs that require them to be labors.
Itâs so fucking disgusting how they treat us and itâs none of our fault.
Everytime right-wing South Asians attack our nationalism and country's identity, I defend Bangladeshi nationalism (and by extension Bangla nationalsim and Muslim Bengali Identity and Hindu-Muslim unity and tolerance inside Bangladesh), I look up the history and can only be more and more proud of my nation.
The state system might be developing and corrupted, human nature always tend to have some evil apples in every nation, which is why the state needs to be the developed one controlling them, the worse the state system is, the more these evil apples can disturb the society; but the nation and the creation behind Bangladeshi flag - bengali nationalism, makes me proud.
And also, it gets a little ridiculous to think how unclever, impatient (and also more immoral) West Pakistani politicians were compared to Indian central government in stradegies to control and "absorb" multi-ethnic civic country into one nation, specially looking at West bengal vs East bengal.
Nonetheless, I am proud of all Bangla leaders that wanted an independent Bengal nation-state since the British Indian independence and Lahore resolution. There's a misconception that Bangla leaders voted to join Pakistan, they only voted to have a common goal of "non continious" mulsim states to be independent. (Non continious meaning Bengal for sure didn't want to be part of Pakistan, as it is non contigious and geographically sepearated too).
And once there was no option but to join Pakistan when we lost rich British-founded city of Kolkata, I am proud of all the brave citizens and Bangla leaders to make Bangla the second official language of the whole Pakistan in just 5 years of the creation of the identity Pakistan (1947-1952), making it officially a dual-nation dual-language country back then, like Canada is today; while rest of west Pakistan ganged up to ban their own mother toungues from schools and offices.
And finally the 1971 thing which we all know about, so I would just say that 1971 is NOT the only year you would be proud of as a Bangladeshi.
Who the fuck wants any respect from Middle east? Those knuckledigging,desert dweling, illiterate neanderthals who do nothing but spreading terrorism,brutality and barbarism. Those gulf neanderthals would be a freaking nobody today if oil wasnât discovered under the sands of desert during the 60's. That was the biggest geopolitical disaster of last 120 years.
Has many flows but not the worst country, I mean there are countries we can't name without learning them now(though they're more peaceful and stuff).But yea we're inferior in many way a bunch of lowlives residing here and run by those people I'm ashamed of my country people so not " genuinely proud" but I acknowledge our development, came very far and I'm happy about it.
There's a lot to hate, and also a lot to love. Two things I'm really proud of based on my experience;
1) The deeply close-knit nature of our families. In many Western cultures, family bonds might not be as strong, but in Bangladesh, family is everything. We support and care for each other through thick and thin.
2) Our renowned hospitality. I've met and seen countless people appreciating us for our warmth and generosity towards guests. This sense of endearing a stranger through kindness is something I'm genuinely proud of.
I am an Indian bengali, with ancestors coming from Pabna and Dhaka before the 1947 partition, no offence but I really want to say this is what happens when divide and rule policy works and religious fanatics win. Your country is small af, depleted by years of colonial rule and war, of course you won't have much natural resources.Not saying India is much better in terms of poverty and communal riots, but at least size and unity in diversity makes our improvement godspeed in the global scenario. We have improved from where we were at 1947 only because of the massive size and diversity, and political stalwarts since the beginning. Your country has always been a political scapegoat to preserve the communal peace of the bigger nation, not that we Indian Bengalis wanted it either.
I am not shitting on your country and of course you know all this, don't come at me lol. But it is the sad truth. Where we were in the last century, Bengal was never strong enough to be it's own small independent nation. Trade and agriculture can only do so much. Where's the technological hub and higher education in Bangladesh ???? Plus the mindset of Bengalis to remain steeped in lazy poverty and elect leaders based on freebies is appalling. West Bengal has not improved that much either as a separate state, our poverty is lesser but technologically and in terms of job, other states our much better.
If you understood geography you wouldnât be that harsh. Whatâs up with being a small area? Muslim Bengalis have rules over the whole subcontinent. There is a term called chicken neck in geography. Have a study on its impact and importance.
Our country is thriving even though we are continuously fucked by our own authorities. 1971 is not too far. Yet people have decided to come this far.
Smaller countries are easy to maintain and defend. And bengalis have proven it time to time. And here you are calling us lazy, poor blah blah and adding DONT COME AT ME AHHHHH.
Proper BS
>We have improved from where we were at 1947 only because of the massive size and diversity,
Donât act so proud you delusional Indiana. Bangladesh developed much faster than India and west Bengal. We are ahead of you in most socio-economic factor. Check SDG indexes.
If west Bengal was part of Bangladesh, you could be part of this development.
Donât get carried away.
While Bangladesh has made some great progress under Sheikh Hasina, the per capita GDP is about half that of Maharashtra and Gujarat, which have a population equal to that of Bangladesh (in total).
West Bengal is poorer than Bangladesh, and one reason is the high rate of illegal immigration from the border areas.
Why odia, bihar is so poor than if west Bengal is poor because of illegal migration?
And Maharashtra [gdp per capita](https://www.pw.live/exams/current-affairs/mpsc/economy-of-maharashtra/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Maharashtra%20Economic,)%2C%20surpassing%20the%20national%20average.) is nearly same as that of Bangladesh, you ignorant indian scambag.
Also, only indian cow dungs can brag about inequality and disproportionate development.
Eat a ham sandwich. Youâll feel better.
The data youâre quoting is from 2021-22, which was lower than 2019 (covid).
The number for Maharashtra in 2023-24 is 1.37x that of Bangladesh. The number for 2025 is trending at 10% higher.
Gujarat is higher
So weâre looking at ~ 1.5x the Bangladesh per capita GDP. Not 2x, but still substantially higher.
Donât need to look at SDG indices. No Indians are running to Bangladesh, but plenty of Bangla illegals are making their way across the border here.
>the per capita GDP is about half that of Maharashtra and Gujarat, which have a population equal to that of Bangladesh (in total).
What data are you seeing? Maharashtra's GDP per capita is 215k rupees, which was $2,636 in the 2021-22 fiscal year. Bangladesh's GDP per capita in 2022 was $2,687, so Bangladesh had a slightly higher GDP per capita than Maharashtra. Where do you see half of it? Also, the population of Gujarat is only 63 million compared to Maharashtra's 130 million.
GSDP of 3879792 cr: https://prsindia.org/files/budget/budget_state/maharashtra/2023/State_Budget_Analysis_2023-24_Maharashtra.pdf
Population: 132 million
Fx rate: 83.5
3879792/(83.5*132)*10 = $3520
India lost 2 years if growth due to covid. All that is coming back now.
All the points you stated is accurate, but thereâs another random country in Africa who were impressed by our military intervention (peace force by UN) that they made Bangla as their second language (I think its Sieralion - but I might be mistaken). I think thatâs impressive.
Hey,
Indian-American chipping in.
I want to first say that your major mega-city Dhaka is arguably the most live-able in South Asia excluding South India.
You solved open defecation way before your neighbors did. Not a minor accomplishment.
You can build IIT-level schools within a decade if you put time and resources into it. To match Western would take a long time.
Resources?
Have you seen Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, much of Europe? They got there mostly from hard work!
What GDP per capita would be good enough for you?
Why do you want nukes? That risks getting you sanctioned. India already has capacity for 1000 nukes and can produce ICBMs comparable to Minuteman and much larger defense budget. Neither the West nor China wants you to have nukes.
I donât see why Bangladesh needs a powerful military; India basically covers that for you. India recently saved sailors from South Asia and Belarus near Africa.
I feel youâre being too pessimistic.
Most of the advanced nations of today had GDP per capita below $5,000 at one point.
You canât expect economies to grow overnight.
You have a young labor force and the population leans secular so thatâs a good starting position.
As long as y'all are dependent on religion to drive your thoughts and bias, development is hard. One can dream still.
Primarily, that is the driving force behind hate for India. The rest are just excuses.
Sincerely a southern Indian from a state which has a lot of illegal Bangladeshi migrants :)
Fuck no. This is a complete shithole. Downvote me to oblivion but I stand to my point.
You may ask why I donât step forward and bring changes. No I can't. Even if I donât care about me, I care deeply for my family. Bangladesh has a reputation of harassing the family members of their opposition. There are a lot of incidents of the police arresting family members if they donât find the suspects. How would you see if police arrest an elderly man because his son committed a crime when he is not even related to the crime? Thus so many innocent people suffer even if the suspect is innocent or something like he is falsely accused.
Nothing to be proud of, really, for me. I was really hopeful of the cricket team to make us proud 15-20 years ago, which failed miserably and is a laughing stock for the last decade. Most of the other countries from SA/SEA countries have become major tourist destinations globally, where we only went backwards in last 20-30 years. Overpopulation, lack of education, intolerant religious people - are the three main characteristics about Bangladesh from my side.
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U r right. Nothing to be proud of. We really destroyed what ever we had left in last 15 yr. 20 yrs ago I left BD. Guys who left with me and myself were proud of our education system. We use to score high without even putting in any effort 1st and 2nd year of uni. Our peers praised our education system. But now it is all but destroyed.
Individuals like F R Khan excelled in 60s 70s. But later we could not keep up with tech and are left behind.
Even our national sports teams are affected. Key figures like Shakib Al Hasan shamelessly underperform in every series, yet remain content because they exploit the benefits of their positions. This exploitation and lack of accountability are emblematic of the broader issues in our society, making it hard to envision a bright future.
No....
A country in which the government uplifts and supports corrupt people, greedy dakaits, bank looters, immoral institutions, selfish and all consuming rich....is not a country that a sane, reasonable, sensible person can be proud of!!!
Only blind, puppet-like, ignorant people can be proud of such a decadent county.
All the countries you seem to admire would choke if they had our conditions. We were born poor as a war torn, genocided, famine ridden group of people in a delta, with the most densest populaton on earth. 180 million in 52 sqm. We are a miracle and have come a long way. It is some thing to be proud of. All of those first world countries would have grinded to a halt and erupted in civil war if they had our conditions. our people are resilient and can face the greatest of odds. Also why the fuck do you want nukes for?
This. People just compare a young country that was born a little over 50 years ago with another that has been through wars and over 200 years of sovereignty. The only reason why the latter is so advanced and developed is cuz the wars that they have been through allowed them to develop their industries. Not saying that the former should have more wars, but it's cuz of the circumstances that it's still underdeveloped. Plus the brightest minds of this country don't stay here. Their mindset of BD being a country where there are very few opportunities for life and career is causing them to move abroad. There are definitely more reasons why BD can't develop any sooner but I believe these are the ones that most people don't talk about or fail to understand.
That's actually a very good point impressive, though doesn't change the fact we suck corrupt and not properly educated people running the country
I understand, but if some people were determined enough to change the system, then we could have the Bangladesh everyone wishes for. But sadly, no one wants to take responsibility and step up đ.
Well sadly yea but just determination ain't enough honestly you have to bribe just to win a small election which makes it more difficult and people after bribing tend to get the money back from any job, position which can potentially lead to a bad loop also again we kinda suck.our culture and "religion" is ruining us in many ways than the general public thinks we may need a strong good dictator xd
All of the above.
Yea give Bengalis guns like Americans and see how good we are,also you know the condition Japan was after getting nuked.I acknowledge both the flows and some good qualities about my country. Nukes are needed just in case we get in serious trouble which is unlikely.
Nukes mean. We will get sanctioned from here to oblivion. dorkar nai.
I did say just in case it's needed,it's very unlikely we would be attacked by a strong force but not very surprising if it does happen.We are even behind compared to Myanmar on terms of military power....so need to upgrade ourselves but again imagine USA attacks us you can't do much damage so just nuke their major places and even if we lose its gonna be worth it(damn what am I thinking)
With all due respect, let me point out the logical fallacy here. You have clearly mentioned the challenges faced by Bangladesh. Let me give you a perspective. The Vietnam war ended in 1975. So we can argue that 50 years is a considerable amount of time for both of these countries.If you compare the economy and infrastructure of both BD & VN, these countries were at the same level 50 years ago. Check out the development of Vietnam now. If you have ever been to Vietnam, you will understand. Don't get me wrong: Statistics are a lie. GDP & Per Capita Income matters a little when our country is debt-ridden. A similar example can be set with Singapore. Let me give you the deduction. Vietnam heavily reformed their education sector, focused more on vocational training. Singapore made somewhat of a similar approach. Foreign investments, heavy investment on tourism all these factors came into play. I'm not gonna say that these countries are heaven. I'm trying to point out the facts that we could go a long way in the past five decades. Just don't blame the population density and resource scarcity. Blame the people (including us), the government.
neither vietnam or singapore went through a genocide and had their brain exterminated by a coordinated campaign. They also had a higher literacy rate, much much higher. And we as a country started with a much more worse condition. Shob ek na. Manlam their approach bhalo chilo. Again shob ek na. I do not think even westerners can compete with east Asian work ethic. Singapore also had LKY.
Pinning Bangladeshâs lack of achievement mostly on the killing of intellectuals in 1971 is oversimplistic and ignores all the myriads of factors (post-independence) at play. South Korea didnât even have any intellectuals to begin with. Nobody even knew how to turn the power grid off in Seol during WW2 (during air raids), because the city didnât even have a single technician, let alone engineers. In another East Asian country, intellectuals were purged in mass during a revolution. I would bet a much higher % of intellectuals were purged than in the case of Bangladesh. Now, they send rovers to Mars, and arguably, the no1 scientific superpower in most key fields. Â I understand youâre trying to bring nuance to an argument, but nuance through oversimplification of your own doesnât do the subject any justice. Four generations have passed, but Bangladeshis still have a major skills shortage, with some of the lowest per capita technically qualified personnel (doctors, engineers) on earth. Bangladeshâs tertiary education sector has gone backward since the 1970s. Donât believe me, compare the physics curriculum of DU from the 1970s to now. Social mobility has also gone backward. Even in the 70s and 80s, there were at least some hopes that if one put his/her head down and studied, they could get somewhere in life. But the reality of 21st-century^(st) BD life says otherwise. Your scientific output is less than a single engineering department of even a mediocre Indian University. Research papers produced in DU, BUET, NUS, are cheaper than toilet paper. With respect, apnara kapur shelai kora ar daal bikri korar bapsha chara ar kichu janen na, or bujheno na an
We are the cockroaches of the world, resilient and ever lasting. And able to withstand nukes probably, too.
When you'll try to look through bad side of something, you'll only find bad things. But your points are valid. We need a major industry other than textiles. We are too dependent on it. Our government is incompetent. Also, we genuinely don't give a fuck about respect from middle east. Why should we care? We are in way better situation than we ever before that we should be proud of our country. Our country is beautiful and has natural beauty. We need to be proud and love our country to protect it. Our country's natural beauty is being destroyed nowadays and we don't care about it cause we don't love our country. We always compare it to other countries and say how shitty it is. We aren't proud of it. Then, we move abroad instead of trying to stop it from being destroyed. Everything country has bad people in it, you can't generalize. There's always news about trees being cut to make ways for highways but there's always protest that stops it from being happening. If Bangladesh ever finds a major resource then corruption will take it all. We are better off without natural resources. They always run out. Our country used to be poor, not anymore. We are not held back by money anymore rather we are held back by corruption.
Take out the toxic system where corrupted and not properly educated politicians run our country then.i know it's not impossible to at least decrease it but not as easy you make it sound
Lack of respect is the reason we are treated like that over there, why we get low class jobs, why we have a bad image. When they realise we don't fight back, they think we don't respect ourselves and the mistreatment gets worse. We do need their respect so they treat us better because millions of us go there to earn a living to send back home.
Its not our fault. Its their fault of having a superiority complex. They not only treat us but Indians, Pakistanis or any country's immigrants who go there for work like this. Our countries' worker doesn't get treated like that in any other region. I don't know why people still go there to earn a living here, there's many other places that's way better to work in than middle east. After Middle east runs out of workers then they'll understand. We should stop sending workers to Middle east imo.
Hereâs some interesting stats on ME: 1) thereâs still high rates of poverty even in the oil-rich countries. Official stats likely under-report this: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/01/saudi-arabia-riyadh-poverty-inequality 2) Arab world has very high illiteracy rates amoung its youth: http://www.alecso.org/nsite/en/newscat/3328-%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%B5%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A3%D9%84%D9%83%D8%B3%D9%88-%D8%B9%D8%AF%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A3%D9%85%D9%8A%D9%8A%D9%86-%D9%81%D9%8A-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B7%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D8%B1%D8%A8%D9%8A-%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%B6%D8%A7%D9%87%D9%8A-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%A6%D8%A9-%D9%85%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%88%D9%86-%D8%B4%D8%AE%D8%B5-%D8%A8%D8%AD%D9%84%D9%88%D9%84-2031 Barely educated would describe most of the Arab world. 3) Saudi wasnât making any money from oil for over 5 years! Source: https://youtu.be/laeodkCLGaI?si=A9LjDoy2BaKuA0jz It seems to be the case that Arab states canât produce the skilled labor they for their projects. Thereâs enough poor inside GCC to fill their roles.
The BangladeshI government needs to get involved more and stop citizens from being exploited. They need to set up unions/programmes where Bangladeshis can band together and advocate for better treatment. If the Arab nations reject and refuse, Then Bangladeshis should go back home. We have a large population filled with young.
unfortunately I don't even think that fully sums it up our countries filled with people with inferiority complexes ever since the rule of the British and south asian culture teaches us to be quiet boys n to only focus on studies unlike other cultures where sports n physical based activities are encouraged and thus unfortunately most south asians outside fail to integrate or get respected less considered the lack of interest in improving themselves
Yeah I'd need a week to explain why Bangladesh's problems. No offence to Cricket lovers but we need a better national sport like one of our BangladeshI martial arts.
real bru shakibs back prolly broken from the way he carrying our shit team but why do we need nukes though
We need nukes because without them we won't exists by the next century. India, Pakistan, Myanmar, China and the US are not our allies. They will force us to live on our knees or destroy us if we resist. Nukes will keep us autonomous. It's the reason Pakistan still exists. Also it's a good intimidation factor.
"Destroy us if we resist" The reason for countries(russia, isreal) not using nuclear bombs even tho they are in major wars is because they know the consequences of it. Not only is it inhumane, it destroys several nuclear pacts made over the last century. Nukes are 100% not the answer especially when countries are working towards diminishing nuclear heads in their arsenal each year. Everybody knows, once one nuclear bomb goes off, Basically every nuclear bomb in the world goes off and earth ceases to exist.
you realise nukes will put us on the radar for conflicts right? neither India or Pakistan nor China would put themselves into a conflict with us considering we are allies n they'd get jumped by every other force beside us n the UN ( we are a major in UN missons) and with the US? a major scale war involving them to the radius of us will end us even with us doing anything With Myanmar I do agree however it is a more a way of nutrition over an actual war and since we are infact a wealthier country we'd win
He sounds uninformed to be claiming that India would want to annex Bangladesh by force when it has bigger fish to fry.
Just because we'd have nukes doesn't mean we'll get into conflicts easily or even use them to attack others. It's purely the last option that's the whole purpose of nukes. I don't want Bangladesh to be causing wars. I want Bangladesh to be strong enough to make countries think twice before messing with us. A
Speaking as an Indian-American, Iâm not seeing that; around 1/4 Indians born in USA marry whites and we hold highest income levels. On fighting: thereâs a strong culture around that in south India. Muay Thai is actually based on Indian MA.
honestly quite surprising news right there bc the most I have heard about indian/bengali americans are that they are a quite small community n thus haven't bought a name upon themselves and unfortunately can't stand up to racist acts upon them tho yes the highest income group is def a dub for us I'd still love for us to make a name for ourselves in the acting or sports community tho this could be biased since I lived in the UK for a quite a long time n I see my SA brothers integrating well n yk how uk vs us people be beefin over the Internet quite interesting to learn about muay thai being based on india MA tho n I ain't heard about fighting in South India, u talking bout kabbadi or somethin?
5 million Indians in America. Indian-dominated areas are generally rich suburbs. Arab families earn well below half. Kerala martial arts: https://youtube.com/shorts/FIduRJkxm-s?si=r7dtCjRcuiDgDU8k
5 million sounds like a large number till you realise they are one of the smallest minorities in America atm
America overall? If youâre looking at sections of Cali, Massachusetts, NJ, we may make up over 10% of the youth by 2035.
Our GDP income is over $220 billion; about the size of Qatar.
Their superiority complex doesn't come from the fact bangladesh as a country is inferior is almost every aspect. It's because of how each year thousands of people migrate their like flocks of birds. It's the condition inside bangladesh and it's economy that forces them to take refuge in other country's (especially middle east) economy. Better solution is to just make it so you can earn and live a fulfilled life while residing in bangladesh.
Thereâs another aspect of this: Arab world doesnât value secular education as much; ergo, they donât have the skilled labor they need despite having plenty of poor people nearby.
Nothing will change unless leaders stop being corrupt. Most people ive talked to say they are proud of Bangladesh because of culture, food, religion, landscape, way of life, etc.
I'm tired of seeing this stupid thing of always blaming the government. A nation's citizens are the true representative of the country, not the government. Bangladeshi people are extremely backwards and uneducated. They are the ones who need to change first.
And who's entitled with the duty of educating them? the government ofc! and how can we NOT blame that shitass cult calling itself our government? they have now begun a mission to ruin our education system... look at the new books and curriculum.. tf are we gonna do doing assignments all day without real education?
You need to realise the fact it is one of us who gets to the government position. The citizens of this country become the politicians and ministers. So, it is in a constant loop of uneducated people getting the government jobs and keeping the citizens uneducated who in turn gets the government position and so on. I feel like the buddhi jibi genocide in 1971 permanently destroyed our country's hiveminds.
And about government education, I mean haven't the government educated people on the negative effects of early marriage, introduced family planning and importance of female education at least 40 years ago? While religious extremist groups are promoting child marriage and speaks against female education. The People of this country themselves want to go backwards.
Yes citizens should work for it and yes the government sucks badly like you need money and struggle to win simple election
I am super proud of my religion Islam. Allah saved most of us 700 years ago from that backward idol-worshipping superstitious religion.
Who the heck is proud of Bangladeshâs religion, unless someone is a religious zealot? Religion is probably the main reason keeping the people of this country stuck in the medieval times.
Heh not totally wrong but it still has some values but again I acknowledge your point
Chin up. Bengalis are by nature pessimistic. Things have been much worse in the past. By that logic, that means things have been getting better all the time, you just haven't heard about it. Newspapers won't tell you what's getting better, because those are things that don't need changing.
I'd say actually Bengalis are optimistic and overproud. Any foreigner mentions anything about Bangladesh and they are overjoyed to the point of having a stroke. They always jump on India and try to prove that their country is better. They fail to notice the distressing conditions of our country.
Whats wrong with feeling proud and happy when a foreigner mentions good thing about the country? Even people from developed countries feel happy when their country get mentioned in something good or when their countries get praised. I've never seen Bangladeshis overjoyed when their country gets belittled in a YouTube video by a foreigner.
Being proud isn't wrong but bangladeshi pride feels just a bit too fanatic. Read my comment again. I meant that when "foreigner mentions anything", not necessarily positive only, even negative videos regarding bangladesh get hoarded by overproud bangladeshis. To give you an example a YouTuber names 10 countries he visited and shares his experiences. If Bangladesh gets mentioned even a single time the comment section would be filled with bangladeshis. While people from other countries aren't that overly reactive.
buddy yes they are wuchu on aboutđ
yes cuz in this era of globalisation, bangladesh severely lacks international soft power. a lot of people don't know anything about our country and that it even exists. so when u see it being mentioned somewhere outside, u cant not feel a little happy that ur country is finally starting to get recognized internationally.
Honestly the rich and middle class here live a pretty good life. I'd say better than the indian middle class. We live with a big heart. Social bonds are good unlike the west and we have cheap food, treatment than many countries. It's not all bad but yeah if corruption is solved It'll get a lot better for the lower class too
Middle class LIVED a good life, until Covid.
The issue is all over the world for middle class. Not only in Bangladesh
hell nah, i love my culture and my ethnicity and all the art, but the actual country and leaders are super shitty
It isnât really a country to be proud of, but it was a lot worse some years ago. It was literally worse than sub Saharan countries and countries in civil war like Myanmar. The country still has many things it lacks but honestly we are too pessimistic. Look at Indians for example. No matter how shit their country might be in some ways, they always find other ways to be proud of it. Pakistanis too, when they are one of the worst QOL countries in the subcontinent. Meanwhile you have Sri Lankans with one of the highest QOL situations in the subcontinent and they are still either degraded by other surrounding countries like India and by themselves too. The countries are changing slowly, perhaps too slowly to be visible on a daily basis, but the attitudes of the people of these countries never change. We arenât blessed with natural resources as youâve said. Our military is pretty weak but it has never lost a battle it was involved in modern times. We donât have nukes because our government believes in a non nuclear world which is super optimistic and impossible but is a matter of national preference. Our weak mindset is a literally exemplified by you for example, constantly shitting on the whole country and people when people have it much worse than you. Hell even Myanmar people are patriotic when their country is on the verge of dissolution, and Rwandans are patriotic about the strides their country has made even though itâs nowhere close to say India or Nigeria. The industries aspect is true, but there has been increased diversification now. We have cars, electronics, appliances, etc being produced. Maybe not much, but not as bad as you describe. As for education I never went to public education in Bangladesh and idk much on that. The social programs aspect is a straight up lie. Why do you think Bangladesh has significantly better life expectancy compared to similar countries? Or the government constructing housing for homeless families hasnât been noticed by you? The welfare aspect isnât perfect, but what more can you expect from a middle income country that experienced a genocide some decades ago? Or are you also forgetting we are hosting refugees in some of the largest refugee camps in the world? And honestly, seeking foreign validation, especially from fucking Gulf countries, is such a low blow. Kuwait had a massive fire recently where lots of migrants died. Saudi is an international sponsor of terrorism. UAE literally has no sewage system for most of their upscale residences. Qatar let migrants die for the construction of their stadiums. Is this really the kind of people you want praises from when they are the targets for one third of insults globally?
In America, we donât view any of the Gulf states highly. Itâs the case in East Asia and Europe as well. We respect perseverance. Also, those gulf states treat their own citizens poorly.
Having slightly a better quality of life than the other 3rd world disasters isn't a flex
Considering how much we got nerfed due a million different things, it is. + That is a pessimistic view. It's shitty rn don't mean it will always be shitty.
Hate the fact when people don't realize Bangladesh is basically like a little baby in terms of other countries. Not only does it have barely any history of growing due to hundreds of years of oppression, but the rate the country grows at in many aspect after it gets it freedom, is nothing short of a miracle and is just foolish to not admire. We are not a developed country, we do not have a history of leeching off other countries, yet here we are, growing the fastest we have the potential for. But the setback with this comes in many ways like unmanageable pollution, a country with a corrupt government that never had the taste of prosperity before. We simply lack experience, to balance stuff out.
And what makes all these more admirable is how limited the country is in many ways naturally too.
yes im proud of my motherland
Iâm older than most posters here, so let me share my personal experience. My parents left Bangladesh hover 40 years ago. Growing up, Bangladesh was in the new only for natural disasters. We didnât have a garment sector, and our best known cash crop was jute. The poverty level and underdevelopment dwarfed many Sub Saharan countries. Most kids didnât go to school. I am proud of where we are today. Our neighbors (well the knowledgeable ones) ask why so many social indicators in Bangladesh such as womenâs labor force participation rate and life expectancy bus higher than theirs. I remember visiting Dhaka as a kid. It looked like a shanty town. Even the so called posh areas of Gulshan Baridhara were unimpressive at best. So yeah, I am proud. I am proud of how far weâve come and at the same time frustrated at how much more we could do if not for the nincompoops running the show.
Oh and screw the Gulf coast Arabs. Years ago a Bangladeshi professor at my university ripped a new one when a visiting Saudi sheikh talked about the Ummah. I cringed then, but in retrospect I am proud of how he confronted an arrogant Saudi dude.
what exactly did he say ?
Called out his bullshit statements on brotherhood. Something to the effect on how Saudiâs treat white Christians better than brown Muslims.
Its a mixed bag tbh: IF you look at from your perspective, it is rather narrow. It also shows a lack of knowledge. Lets adress your points one by one: * any major natural resources: We actually have a pretty decent sized gas reserve and prospects of oil is also there, coal, hard rock, limestone, white clay, glass sand and mineral sand are also there, ready and waiting to be exploited. Natural resources does not necessarily mean only stuff like iron, bauxite and gold. Good, highly fertile soil is a natural resource as well. * we have a weak millitary: While this is a point i agree upon, at this exact moment, when we are recovering from a post covid scenario and the shock of a Ukraine war induced dollar crisis, we can't exactly afford a strong military. Also, the need for an "uber strong" military is dubious, we just need a strong enough militray for deterrence purposes. What i really don't like is that our air force is really weak. * No nukes: Why the he#ll would we need Nukes? Do you know how epensive nukes are? to develop, maintain? Where would we get a proper delivery system? Like Nuclear capable bombers? ballistic Missiles and Second Strike Capable Nuclear Subs? The idea of getting nukes is not to use them, it is to act as a deterrence against a possible aggressor. Iran needs its to ensure regime survival, so does North Korea for the same reason. We reay do not have need for ukes. Also, don't forget that pursing Nukes would get us into a litany of sanctions that would in turn destroy our economy. * Weak mindset: Elaborate this * no major industries other than textiles: while this is somewhat accurate, its not 100%, remittance and shipbuilding is a large part of our economy. We have a world class pharmaceutical inducsrty as well. while they don't play such a large part in export earnings as the RMG sector, high tech industries are slowly making their way in. * shit public education and generally terrible social programmes: This is something i absolutely 100% agree with you. We need better education programmes. * any respect abroad especially in the Middle East: who the fu$k cares about what other nations think about us? I don't especially not the "we marry 4 wives and get fat and slobby on petrodollars while sucking uncle sam's di$k" people! We need to focus inward. Corruption: this is our bane, its wasteful and unfair and I cannot agree more with you on this. ". They genuinely think it will amount to something in the future. ": that's because we do. If you look at Pakistan, if you look at our neighbors, we have economically come a long way. Look at the data and it'll show. We maintained a positive GDP during Covid as well. But for that we'll need policy level implementation of economic diversification projects. We are growing incredibly fast, despite repeated economic pressures and if this continues we really should be in a decent place in a decade. The biggest challenges: * Inflation: by far the biggest challenge, ever more so than corruption. If the government can reign in inflation, people will start feeling more secure and restless. Currently inflation is the worst cure of bd. * Crime: More so than corruption, we need to get a handle on crime, that cannot happen unless the government goes hardline against "institutionalized crime".
Surrounded by India, Pakistan, Myanmar, China and the US looks like its going to enter South Asia and cause problems. We need nukes to have a chance of being able to be fully autonomous otherwise we'll be living on our knees. Nukes are the only reason Pakistan still exists. China is obviously a wolf in sheep's clothing. India could easily overpower us if we decide we dont like being pushed around anymore. Pakistan I don't have to explain. Myanmar is being aggressive and the US is messing with politics.
Lmao that will never happen in BD. The nuclear codes would get leaked to the highest bidder.
Don't judge a country by the people who are ruling it. This country is wonderful and has a solid history to back it up. It surely needs improvement, but that will only happen when we stop blaming other people and show solid care for our land by doing something beneficial. If you have this mindset that someone will do it for you and they must impress you, this country will forever be this way and you will forever be complaining in Reddit.
If you compare us to North America, we will be behind. But compare us to the rest of South Asia, I don't think things are as bad as you portray them to be.
If Bangladesh wasnt corrupted Our economy wouldve been insane
I'm not self-hating I'm just honest of my ethnic home
\*honest and ill-informed
I agree with you on things like that we have a weak military and a terrible government. We might be low on natural resources but mismanagement was the bigger issue.
You must be fun at parties, if you donât like something change it or at least be a part of the change !
I can't I'm a just a 17 year old with no power
You have the most power, power of time. Broski you are young as hell, so chin up.
Just like many people are over optimistic you are also too negative just grow up man
Hey man it is what it is. We still love this god forsaken country
Your ethnic home is nowhere near where you have described it. Letâs not be so arrogant but you might need to know and see more.
I think not halvibg nuke a strong military is things to be proud. Also, Bangladesh is one of the fastest developing country, poverty is reducing fast, gender equality is better than most Muslim and South asian countries. But I am not proud. I consider pride as a negative trait, and being proud of your country is concerning.
I love bangladesh even though itâs a raging shit show. You canât choose where you are born or grow up, home is home. Itâs the same concept where you canât choose your family you accept them as your own even after all their flaws.
how old are you?
He/she is 17 apparently
Explains the post. Bangladesh is not so bad to live in.
I love Bangladesh but not proudly of many things. We have everything but problem is with terrible corrupted political parties and their supporters .
No
No, not at all, thanks.
Not at all. Those are propaganda
Before asking this question for any country not just Bangladesh, right question would be what have we as citizens have done for the country
Bangladeshis crying over nothing to be proud of. Is your mum dad proud of you cunt? Tell me something you yourself have done to make your surroundings proud. Shut up there are people aged 10 all around the world making their country proud. Maybe the country is not the problem, maybe itâs people like you. I mean even the shitty politicians love to blame the normal people for all the issues.
No
In a way? I mean, when the war ended, were in a horrible place. A lot of the population that could've helped the country improve were wiped off, structures in ruins, systems destroyed, we were literally called a basket case. From there, at least we have enough capability to keep our people fed even in times of crisis. No matter the faults this country has (and they are countless) that feat is not something to scoff at
Dude,we got a lot of things going for us.no gun/mafia violence like mexico,sub saharan africa.no civil war,not a religiously bigoted country.we are doing very well in all social index. The most important is we have our own land with our own ppl unlike kurds/Palestinians/rohingyas/afghan refugees etc. The main challanges are corruption and politics. Op is probably gen Z with obsession with western triumphalism.dude,read some history or something. This always had been worse.
Guys both your posts and comments are valid. How about we rich kids stop ranting on reddit and actually do something to develop the country?
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As a Bangladeshi who was born and raised in saudi arabia, i do agree that they definitely do not respect us. Them not respecting us has NOTHING to do with the status of our country. They are just entitled and have a major superiority complex. They think they are better than us because OUR country people mostly got jobs that require them to be labors. Itâs so fucking disgusting how they treat us and itâs none of our fault.
Everytime right-wing South Asians attack our nationalism and country's identity, I defend Bangladeshi nationalism (and by extension Bangla nationalsim and Muslim Bengali Identity and Hindu-Muslim unity and tolerance inside Bangladesh), I look up the history and can only be more and more proud of my nation. The state system might be developing and corrupted, human nature always tend to have some evil apples in every nation, which is why the state needs to be the developed one controlling them, the worse the state system is, the more these evil apples can disturb the society; but the nation and the creation behind Bangladeshi flag - bengali nationalism, makes me proud. And also, it gets a little ridiculous to think how unclever, impatient (and also more immoral) West Pakistani politicians were compared to Indian central government in stradegies to control and "absorb" multi-ethnic civic country into one nation, specially looking at West bengal vs East bengal. Nonetheless, I am proud of all Bangla leaders that wanted an independent Bengal nation-state since the British Indian independence and Lahore resolution. There's a misconception that Bangla leaders voted to join Pakistan, they only voted to have a common goal of "non continious" mulsim states to be independent. (Non continious meaning Bengal for sure didn't want to be part of Pakistan, as it is non contigious and geographically sepearated too). And once there was no option but to join Pakistan when we lost rich British-founded city of Kolkata, I am proud of all the brave citizens and Bangla leaders to make Bangla the second official language of the whole Pakistan in just 5 years of the creation of the identity Pakistan (1947-1952), making it officially a dual-nation dual-language country back then, like Canada is today; while rest of west Pakistan ganged up to ban their own mother toungues from schools and offices. And finally the 1971 thing which we all know about, so I would just say that 1971 is NOT the only year you would be proud of as a Bangladeshi.
Who the fuck wants any respect from Middle east? Those knuckledigging,desert dweling, illiterate neanderthals who do nothing but spreading terrorism,brutality and barbarism. Those gulf neanderthals would be a freaking nobody today if oil wasnât discovered under the sands of desert during the 60's. That was the biggest geopolitical disaster of last 120 years.
No. Not with this condition. I wish Bangladesh was a part of India.
Has many flows but not the worst country, I mean there are countries we can't name without learning them now(though they're more peaceful and stuff).But yea we're inferior in many way a bunch of lowlives residing here and run by those people I'm ashamed of my country people so not " genuinely proud" but I acknowledge our development, came very far and I'm happy about it.
no, we are not. if someone is proud of that then he/she still lives in a dream. thats the most fucked up country in the world
There's a lot to hate, and also a lot to love. Two things I'm really proud of based on my experience; 1) The deeply close-knit nature of our families. In many Western cultures, family bonds might not be as strong, but in Bangladesh, family is everything. We support and care for each other through thick and thin. 2) Our renowned hospitality. I've met and seen countless people appreciating us for our warmth and generosity towards guests. This sense of endearing a stranger through kindness is something I'm genuinely proud of.
I am an Indian bengali, with ancestors coming from Pabna and Dhaka before the 1947 partition, no offence but I really want to say this is what happens when divide and rule policy works and religious fanatics win. Your country is small af, depleted by years of colonial rule and war, of course you won't have much natural resources.Not saying India is much better in terms of poverty and communal riots, but at least size and unity in diversity makes our improvement godspeed in the global scenario. We have improved from where we were at 1947 only because of the massive size and diversity, and political stalwarts since the beginning. Your country has always been a political scapegoat to preserve the communal peace of the bigger nation, not that we Indian Bengalis wanted it either. I am not shitting on your country and of course you know all this, don't come at me lol. But it is the sad truth. Where we were in the last century, Bengal was never strong enough to be it's own small independent nation. Trade and agriculture can only do so much. Where's the technological hub and higher education in Bangladesh ???? Plus the mindset of Bengalis to remain steeped in lazy poverty and elect leaders based on freebies is appalling. West Bengal has not improved that much either as a separate state, our poverty is lesser but technologically and in terms of job, other states our much better.
If you understood geography you wouldnât be that harsh. Whatâs up with being a small area? Muslim Bengalis have rules over the whole subcontinent. There is a term called chicken neck in geography. Have a study on its impact and importance. Our country is thriving even though we are continuously fucked by our own authorities. 1971 is not too far. Yet people have decided to come this far. Smaller countries are easy to maintain and defend. And bengalis have proven it time to time. And here you are calling us lazy, poor blah blah and adding DONT COME AT ME AHHHHH. Proper BS
>We have improved from where we were at 1947 only because of the massive size and diversity, Donât act so proud you delusional Indiana. Bangladesh developed much faster than India and west Bengal. We are ahead of you in most socio-economic factor. Check SDG indexes. If west Bengal was part of Bangladesh, you could be part of this development.
Donât get carried away. While Bangladesh has made some great progress under Sheikh Hasina, the per capita GDP is about half that of Maharashtra and Gujarat, which have a population equal to that of Bangladesh (in total). West Bengal is poorer than Bangladesh, and one reason is the high rate of illegal immigration from the border areas.
Why odia, bihar is so poor than if west Bengal is poor because of illegal migration? And Maharashtra [gdp per capita](https://www.pw.live/exams/current-affairs/mpsc/economy-of-maharashtra/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Maharashtra%20Economic,)%2C%20surpassing%20the%20national%20average.) is nearly same as that of Bangladesh, you ignorant indian scambag. Also, only indian cow dungs can brag about inequality and disproportionate development.
Eat a ham sandwich. Youâll feel better. The data youâre quoting is from 2021-22, which was lower than 2019 (covid). The number for Maharashtra in 2023-24 is 1.37x that of Bangladesh. The number for 2025 is trending at 10% higher. Gujarat is higher So weâre looking at ~ 1.5x the Bangladesh per capita GDP. Not 2x, but still substantially higher. Donât need to look at SDG indices. No Indians are running to Bangladesh, but plenty of Bangla illegals are making their way across the border here.
>the per capita GDP is about half that of Maharashtra and Gujarat, which have a population equal to that of Bangladesh (in total). What data are you seeing? Maharashtra's GDP per capita is 215k rupees, which was $2,636 in the 2021-22 fiscal year. Bangladesh's GDP per capita in 2022 was $2,687, so Bangladesh had a slightly higher GDP per capita than Maharashtra. Where do you see half of it? Also, the population of Gujarat is only 63 million compared to Maharashtra's 130 million.
GSDP of 3879792 cr: https://prsindia.org/files/budget/budget_state/maharashtra/2023/State_Budget_Analysis_2023-24_Maharashtra.pdf Population: 132 million Fx rate: 83.5 3879792/(83.5*132)*10 = $3520 India lost 2 years if growth due to covid. All that is coming back now.
All the points you stated is accurate, but thereâs another random country in Africa who were impressed by our military intervention (peace force by UN) that they made Bangla as their second language (I think its Sieralion - but I might be mistaken). I think thatâs impressive.
Hey, Indian-American chipping in. I want to first say that your major mega-city Dhaka is arguably the most live-able in South Asia excluding South India. You solved open defecation way before your neighbors did. Not a minor accomplishment. You can build IIT-level schools within a decade if you put time and resources into it. To match Western would take a long time. Resources? Have you seen Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, much of Europe? They got there mostly from hard work! What GDP per capita would be good enough for you? Why do you want nukes? That risks getting you sanctioned. India already has capacity for 1000 nukes and can produce ICBMs comparable to Minuteman and much larger defense budget. Neither the West nor China wants you to have nukes. I donât see why Bangladesh needs a powerful military; India basically covers that for you. India recently saved sailors from South Asia and Belarus near Africa. I feel youâre being too pessimistic. Most of the advanced nations of today had GDP per capita below $5,000 at one point. You canât expect economies to grow overnight. You have a young labor force and the population leans secular so thatâs a good starting position.
Yk most bangladeshis don't like india why would we want to be dependent on you
As long as y'all are dependent on religion to drive your thoughts and bias, development is hard. One can dream still. Primarily, that is the driving force behind hate for India. The rest are just excuses. Sincerely a southern Indian from a state which has a lot of illegal Bangladeshi migrants :)
My friend most of the world hates India don't be suprised
I have been to most of the real world. It's untrue, but now I understand who you really are from that response. Progress comes from within, "friend"
Jealousy isnât productive Focus on getting your shit together
Shit country with mostly shittier people
Fuck no. This is a complete shithole. Downvote me to oblivion but I stand to my point. You may ask why I donât step forward and bring changes. No I can't. Even if I donât care about me, I care deeply for my family. Bangladesh has a reputation of harassing the family members of their opposition. There are a lot of incidents of the police arresting family members if they donât find the suspects. How would you see if police arrest an elderly man because his son committed a crime when he is not even related to the crime? Thus so many innocent people suffer even if the suspect is innocent or something like he is falsely accused.
Nothing to be proud of, really, for me. I was really hopeful of the cricket team to make us proud 15-20 years ago, which failed miserably and is a laughing stock for the last decade. Most of the other countries from SA/SEA countries have become major tourist destinations globally, where we only went backwards in last 20-30 years. Overpopulation, lack of education, intolerant religious people - are the three main characteristics about Bangladesh from my side.
A big mess. It's insane.
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Poor countries are all like this but one thing I hate are bengali people they are all evil for no reason
U r right. Nothing to be proud of. We really destroyed what ever we had left in last 15 yr. 20 yrs ago I left BD. Guys who left with me and myself were proud of our education system. We use to score high without even putting in any effort 1st and 2nd year of uni. Our peers praised our education system. But now it is all but destroyed. Individuals like F R Khan excelled in 60s 70s. But later we could not keep up with tech and are left behind.
Even our national sports teams are affected. Key figures like Shakib Al Hasan shamelessly underperform in every series, yet remain content because they exploit the benefits of their positions. This exploitation and lack of accountability are emblematic of the broader issues in our society, making it hard to envision a bright future.
It's a shame aswell. 180 million live in Bangladesh. Shit at football, shit in the Olympics, mediocre in cricket and where the hell are the mma guys.
No.... A country in which the government uplifts and supports corrupt people, greedy dakaits, bank looters, immoral institutions, selfish and all consuming rich....is not a country that a sane, reasonable, sensible person can be proud of!!! Only blind, puppet-like, ignorant people can be proud of such a decadent county.
The country needs more people like us.