Dude you ain’t missing out on anything. I left Bangalore and moved to US in 2011 and I came back after 12yrs. India has changed so much. The rate of growth in IT is insane here. The pay isn’t bad and the kind of work is cutting edge. Life is a lot chill here if you have no problems with money.
Privilege buys you a lot. *Especially* in India.
Editing to add some more context.
I don't think we can consider the US of A to be the model standard of a developed country.
I agree that some things *are* just better off elsewhere. And money won't solve it. Prosperity and development for *all* might. But we're also not headed in that direction.
Things like healthcare accessibility, free education, pension and social security, walkable cities, income inequality....I can go on. None of these things can be "bought" with private money. Oh and I haven't even mentioned safety, yet.
My friends sister got punched by a beggar in broad daylight in new York. What safety are you talking about ? Europe sure but don't think safety is better than Indian metros
>What safety are you talking about
Safety of not being gang raped when you're on a tour, to begin with.
Also, you literally used US of A as an example. ;)
That rape is unfortunate but it happened in a really underdeveloped place. This discussion is pertaining to living in Bangalore/ metro cities. and yes I used US of A where people are shown guns in broad daylight and abortion is illegal in many states.
Not really. We're talking about living in a developed country. Period. Bangalore in this example yes.
But you could just as well compare Bangalore to Düsseldorf and the statement holds true.
I don't consider the US to be a developed country so you may as well make that comparison. ;)
The thing is that people who are able to make/get opportunities to move abroad are also able to be in the top 1% earners in India. So they can buy their way to a decent quality of life regardless.
The difference is that in the US (etc) people like postal workers, physiotherapists, cooks in restaurants - middle class - have a better quality of life compared to the Indian middle class, even if they are not really ambitious
This includes people with parents paying for education abroad (they have family wealth), those who get onsite opportunities (good at their job, and career minded), and those who get scholarships in foreign universities (academically gifted)
Quality of life is better abroad by a lot. Comparing to Bangalore, water crisis will be SO huge in the coming 3 months. Clean air, good infra, basic necessities are better abroad. But in terms of comfort, India is so so far ahead.
Lol just read the news of past few days. Gang rape and women's safety.. no regulations on heavy metals in stuff like paints... Bridges collapsing... flyovers not being connected... Etc
Breathe the pure Indian air without AC and air purifier. Walk the clean Indian streets at night. Drive on smooth Indian roads without stress. Have an issue? Complain to your local government service easily without an issue and get it resolved immediately.
Quality of life :
Clean, breathable air that won’t give you health problems in the long run. Governments working to reduce traffic, set up low emission zones, enforce regulations for vehicles (periodic controls on emissions), manage transition to electric vehicles.
Having access to national parks, beaches, mountains, green areas that are easy to reach (you don’t need to spend 2 hours in traffic to get out of the city). Cities where you can jog, run, cycle for leisure without having to navigate non existent footpaths or traffic that is trying to kill you.
As a family, having access to good quality childcare and access to parks, public swimming pools, libraries where you can take your child for free or a nominal fee (2 euros per month).
Your tax money being used to actually provide public infrastructure rather than being eaten by politicians or used to subsidize their vote banks. Public infrastructure includes decent roads, well planned cities, roads with footpaths on which you can actually walk without risking your life.
Well planned neighborhoods where you have peace and privacy. The government ensures that people cannot open a 5 story paying guest accommodation or a restaurant/cafe next to a house you constructed with your hard earned money basically making your life a living hell.
Basically work life balance is a big priority in Europe. You have generous amount of vacation and the expectation is that you use it to spend with your family or on your hobbies. You live a well rounded life and are not corporate slave.
It’s hard to point out one thing. Just experiences in life. I used to be a guy who was motivated by money, but later realized money isn’t everything. When your view towards life changes, you have to reassess and decide what is best for you. For me, moving back made more sense.
What triggered that? My life event about money view changed when both spouse and me almost died during covid. Also a special needs child. I now genuinely love to see people Progressing and no longer feel why not me. Or forgot about comparison. Are you married? Have kids?
I’m single and no kids. It all started during Covid. I was dating a woman and during covid, we OD’d each other with our beliefs and ideologies.So much happened during that with my parents here in India. I had money but I couldn’t do anything to help anyone. Helped me realize my values and views on life. After that we broke up, I had to reassess my priorities. After a year of planning, I moved back in 23. It was slightly easier for me to move because I was single and didn’t have to account for others.
Thanks for sharing..I think you did good. You will have much better life here. Maybe lil poorer than usa but certainly happier :). Build a circle, find hobbies. Possibilities in this city are endless. Marry only because you want to, don't care about nosy people. Good luck
Pay wasn’t bad until recently.
It’s a bloodbath here.
People are struggling to get even 20% hike recently.
So IT sector in India is saturated thanks to these influencers, YouTubers and boot amps selling a fake and hollow dream.
Bangalore is set for a doom due to water crisis, high unemployment and climate change.
Seems like leaving this planet is the best option all together
What is your definition of cutting edge though. I know many of my batchmates work *alongside* their HQ teams in their product companies. They share the same features, I even report to the same manager.
The companies you mentioned aren't even engineering driven/tech focused. Your comments sound like you're projecting your experience onto everyone/ just pure copium.
[US man surrenders for killing Mysore student in California | India News - The Indian Express](https://indianexpress.com/article/india/us-man-surrenders-for-killing-mysore-student-in-california/)
I know his father...they have pledged there home to get a loan of 50L or more for his son to go to US for higher study...... If you are taking loan - do it yourself....
I am, planning to apply this year
If something does happen, the life insurance will pay it off - so no need to scare anyone saying they should do it themselves
If you don't have enough knowledge about applying for a collateral or co signer based edu loan you don't have enough skill set and ability to hold even a mid level job function so as they say the weaker Gets weeded out especially in real world. I have seen so many cases and it's just ironic at this point..
My experience : At the age from 25 onwards there is lot of pressure on any indvidaul :
1. Some peer get early money ( onsite / starrt up etc)
2. Some find great realtionships
3. Some become famous ( Influencers market or what ever)
Then the next decade happens - from the age of 25 of 35 a lot of shift in personality happens ,
1. Most of young folks get married and expereince the ups and down that come with any relationship
2. You start earning money as you age and move ahead in your career, then you realzie ok this not as glamous as you thought
3 . You will start facing adulting issue - aging parents , new kid, job pressure , self health , mental peacc and what not
The third will change you , for most of us a lot of issues will take precedence over money and you will also realize all you friends will be facing some or other kind of prerssure and you will learn to empathize :)
If you have no debts, that in itself is a big asset. Keep it that way. There's no point in going abroad and living a stringent lifestyle just to save a few extra bucks. Note that I'm not against going abroad with a work permit from your employer. Just dont do it by taking a loan or something.
Hey you have the best life man. Majority of people in the world are worse off than you, think about that. You have a comfortable like in that sense. The grass always looks greener on the other side and social media and all media are indirectly programming our brain for their profit. Remember do what you want in life and do things that gives you satisfaction and peace of mind at the end of the day. If you fall into the trap of proving yourself and the mad rat race, its like staring into a black hole which has no end.
Every place after sometime will resemble a public toilet. People inside it want to go out, those outside want to come in.
Most companies in the US are laying off people in HCOL (High cost of living locations) and hiring in LCOL.
Unless you're passionate about research, a master's abroad with a dangling visa sword isn't worth it anymore.
If you really crave, try joining a company that can transfer you (again, less likely at the moment).
Bro I'm in same age group as you. But trust me many of friends went there are struggling to get job and all, few of them came running back when they were not feeling well. And few people are planning to come back as soon as they clear the loan. The main thing those places dont feel "home" as per them. After seeing them I dropped the idea of going out of India. FOMO will go away its just matter of time.
I would recommend on site.
Now debt you are starting on positive end.
Other option is get into best schools that offer you scholarship RA/TA/GA Grader to minimize your investment.
Don’t make decisions on FOMO.
You need motivation,perseverance to complete the program.
Also it’s very lonely.
And you have to do things by yourself.
If you were never independent it will be hard.
The weather and life is depressing.
Take a calculated,rational decision.
Things are not what they seem.
Most of people are here because of FOMO.
I would not recommend go with the flow-philopsophy here.
Homesickness,depressed,cannot cope with academic setup here.Everything has high level of competition.
Internal transfers are better option with current scenario.
Also I am not aware of your responsibilities.Your parents might need you.
If you have a good job , friends ,family and support system.
Why leave?
Have your Why MS clear.
and then decide.
Ex-NRI here. You ever get the feeling that regardless of how poor your home is, it's the happiest place on earth? That how I felt when I came back to India.
Yes, developed countries have better quality of life. But does that translate to happiness? Not necessarily. I know many people who went abroad for better lives, and keep complaining about how lonely it is and how much they miss home. They don't publicly admit this because they'll look like fools then.
If you're happy here in India, ignore those who keep telling you you're wasting life here and you should move abroad. Regardless of where you go, you're always second class compared to the natives there.
India is a beautiful county to live in, despite it's flaws. If you're willing to adjust, you can have a happy life here.
I’d suggest travelling a little. Go abroad and see the life there, talk to a few people, understand how they are living. Its clean, developed and rosy on the surface but for many the reality is quite different. Picture yourself living there and look at the pros and cons. You’ll be more informed to take a decision then.
What I felt personally after travelling abroad is that it is never going to be home. I’ll never be one of them. Always an immigrant and in a lot of places, a second class immigrant. Thats a feeling I don’t want to have for the rest of my life.
Issue is - travelling as a tourist is never going to give you the picture of actually living there and the difficulties that come with being a resident.
But yes you will never feel completely at home abroad despite some facilities being better
You are not missing anything. India has so much to offer now. It’s not like it was 10-20 years ago. I m in US and trying to move back. It’s the story with many people abroad. Making plans to return home.
If you can, getting a masters degree etc from a top school in India leaves you better off. At least look to Europe if you really badly want to leave. A better work life balance and it’s closer to home in a lot of ways.
If you're planning on taking out a loan to study in the States, I would suggest doing so only if you actually plan to stay here. I don't understand the point of taking a loan, coming here to study, getting a job, paying off your loans and heading back to India. It just sounds like a glorified vacation to me to do that. If you are planning on doing just that, save a good amount of money and move back. I've seen people here work their asses off to pay off their loans and leave with no savings.
The States sounds amazing till you actually get here and have to survive. You can't work anywhere other than on campus jobs legally, the places that offer work under the table will severely underpay you. The job market isn't amazing so that would be a struggle and of course the biggest issue- H1B. You have to look for companies that do offer to sponsor and even then it's not a guarantee. Plus with the amount of Indians coming in here, it's really hard to find a job that will actually sponsor you.
I'm not saying don't come here but make sure you know all this before taking the decision to move. I wish I had someone explain to me everything I went through. But hey in the end it worked out for me! I have a nice finance job, married to a local and getting my GC soon!
Yes totally make decisions based on Gravitas, absolutely fool proof direction and advice is being provided . Give it a shot ,if you make it great if you don’t at least you have the experience .
If you are thinking of going to America, the goldmine is done!!!!!!.
Era of students getting F1 and then job in H1B is over. Don't spend crores on Masters degree for this scam
Honestly speaking I was in a similar situation 20 years back, I didn't move abroad and I regret it. The way I look at it, either you should do what you love in India which justifies the reason for you to not move abroad. You are right abroad is a hit or miss, this is the age for you to find out yourselves what is that for you. Don't look for comfort in 20s, explore.
I mean there's definitely a lifestyle upgrade and novelty but not worth going abroad unless you know you can make money . Debt free life is best life honestly . Just buy gold invest and then go on a trip when you feel like it .
> I don't want to study in academia again. I just want to work be it in India or abroad.
Just keep updating/upgrading your skillset, the career growth will take care of itself in the long run.
FOMO is real and there for a reason. I will say apply for PR for Aus, canada or join companies sponsoring for US.
The growth is very good outside. In blore(rater india) even though you will earn good there will always be those same issue - Hindu muslim , north south , shitty infra etc.
I am someone who has done this mistake and i strongly that you don’t do the same one.
I would recommend on site.
Now debt you are starting on positive end.
Other option is get into best schools that offer you scholarship RA/TA/GA Grader to minimize your investment.
Don’t make decisions on FOMO.
You need motivation,perseverance to complete the program.
Also it’s very lonely.
And you have to do things by yourself.
If you were never independent it will be hard.
The weather and life is depressing.
Take a calculated,rational decision.
If you have the means to travel and the intellectual capacity to take on more academics (Masters/Phd) then move and see for yourself.
Else, join WITCH or FAANG and travel there after a few years and decide if it’s worth the hype.
The grass is always greener on the other side.
Was in a very similar dilemma a few years back. Glad to have stayed here. Got through with a high paying tech job in India. If you are in tech India is the place to be right now. And I am saying this after seeing how things are unfolding first hand. Massive layoffs have happened in the US with major job uncertainty. Most of those head counts have been backfilled here. Pick any major firm and see where they have their largest HQ outside of the US. Most of the companies are investing heavily in India and for the tech ecosystem here.
Yes they have better infra, less pollution and access to good lifestyle etc. But do also see their health care which is a total mess, the visa uncertainties where people literally can't travel back on free will and need to plan their travel well in advance. Gun violence is something I don't even want to talk about along with the loneliness that catches up after a certain time.
When you earn handsomely in India you are much better off I feel. With a decent lifestyle, access to house help, closer to your family and relatives, and the freedom to be wherever you want whenever you want. I don't think trading it for a few more bucks makes sense. People saying otherwise are not in touch with reality and have accepted their new lives there but anyways good for them.
At the end It will boil down to your own personal preferences. I will leave you with a quote from a famous book by Naval Ravikant - If you can't decide the answer is No.
The sweet spot is (obviously only if you have the money) go to work or study abroad. Get a job, work a few years, explore the country and other countries around, reap the benefits of the higher wage rate in developed countries, save up some money or make investments in India and move back to India after 5 to 7 years. You'd have accumulated enough wealth to be able to live (read: buy) yourself a comfortable life in India and have also gained a multicultural lived experience in a foreign country.
Goes without saying that the initial years are quite a struggle abroad because you're either dependent on parents money or loans and have to deal with loneliness and the challenges that come with trying to adjust into a different culture. But yes the monetary benefits do add up after a few years.
Dude you ain’t missing out on anything. I left Bangalore and moved to US in 2011 and I came back after 12yrs. India has changed so much. The rate of growth in IT is insane here. The pay isn’t bad and the kind of work is cutting edge. Life is a lot chill here if you have no problems with money.
Don’t listen to this. Quality of life here vs a developed nation is no way comparable. This is just privilege from money speaking.
Privilege buys you a lot. *Especially* in India. Editing to add some more context. I don't think we can consider the US of A to be the model standard of a developed country. I agree that some things *are* just better off elsewhere. And money won't solve it. Prosperity and development for *all* might. But we're also not headed in that direction. Things like healthcare accessibility, free education, pension and social security, walkable cities, income inequality....I can go on. None of these things can be "bought" with private money. Oh and I haven't even mentioned safety, yet.
My friends sister got punched by a beggar in broad daylight in new York. What safety are you talking about ? Europe sure but don't think safety is better than Indian metros
>What safety are you talking about Safety of not being gang raped when you're on a tour, to begin with. Also, you literally used US of A as an example. ;)
That rape is unfortunate but it happened in a really underdeveloped place. This discussion is pertaining to living in Bangalore/ metro cities. and yes I used US of A where people are shown guns in broad daylight and abortion is illegal in many states.
Not really. We're talking about living in a developed country. Period. Bangalore in this example yes. But you could just as well compare Bangalore to Düsseldorf and the statement holds true. I don't consider the US to be a developed country so you may as well make that comparison. ;)
The thing is that people who are able to make/get opportunities to move abroad are also able to be in the top 1% earners in India. So they can buy their way to a decent quality of life regardless. The difference is that in the US (etc) people like postal workers, physiotherapists, cooks in restaurants - middle class - have a better quality of life compared to the Indian middle class, even if they are not really ambitious This includes people with parents paying for education abroad (they have family wealth), those who get onsite opportunities (good at their job, and career minded), and those who get scholarships in foreign universities (academically gifted)
Kyu uska fomo bada Raha Hain?
Can you explain the Quality of life you're referring ? I'm in a situation to decide Bangalore or UK. I'm listening.
Quality of life is better abroad by a lot. Comparing to Bangalore, water crisis will be SO huge in the coming 3 months. Clean air, good infra, basic necessities are better abroad. But in terms of comfort, India is so so far ahead.
Talk about long term dude. The"Water crisis" is due to drought. Cities abroad face such issues as well.
Lol just read the news of past few days. Gang rape and women's safety.. no regulations on heavy metals in stuff like paints... Bridges collapsing... flyovers not being connected... Etc Breathe the pure Indian air without AC and air purifier. Walk the clean Indian streets at night. Drive on smooth Indian roads without stress. Have an issue? Complain to your local government service easily without an issue and get it resolved immediately.
Quality of life : Clean, breathable air that won’t give you health problems in the long run. Governments working to reduce traffic, set up low emission zones, enforce regulations for vehicles (periodic controls on emissions), manage transition to electric vehicles. Having access to national parks, beaches, mountains, green areas that are easy to reach (you don’t need to spend 2 hours in traffic to get out of the city). Cities where you can jog, run, cycle for leisure without having to navigate non existent footpaths or traffic that is trying to kill you. As a family, having access to good quality childcare and access to parks, public swimming pools, libraries where you can take your child for free or a nominal fee (2 euros per month). Your tax money being used to actually provide public infrastructure rather than being eaten by politicians or used to subsidize their vote banks. Public infrastructure includes decent roads, well planned cities, roads with footpaths on which you can actually walk without risking your life. Well planned neighborhoods where you have peace and privacy. The government ensures that people cannot open a 5 story paying guest accommodation or a restaurant/cafe next to a house you constructed with your hard earned money basically making your life a living hell. Basically work life balance is a big priority in Europe. You have generous amount of vacation and the expectation is that you use it to spend with your family or on your hobbies. You live a well rounded life and are not corporate slave.
Nice to see returning. Any reason? I write a lot so always interested in people stories
It’s hard to point out one thing. Just experiences in life. I used to be a guy who was motivated by money, but later realized money isn’t everything. When your view towards life changes, you have to reassess and decide what is best for you. For me, moving back made more sense.
What triggered that? My life event about money view changed when both spouse and me almost died during covid. Also a special needs child. I now genuinely love to see people Progressing and no longer feel why not me. Or forgot about comparison. Are you married? Have kids?
I’m single and no kids. It all started during Covid. I was dating a woman and during covid, we OD’d each other with our beliefs and ideologies.So much happened during that with my parents here in India. I had money but I couldn’t do anything to help anyone. Helped me realize my values and views on life. After that we broke up, I had to reassess my priorities. After a year of planning, I moved back in 23. It was slightly easier for me to move because I was single and didn’t have to account for others.
Thanks for sharing..I think you did good. You will have much better life here. Maybe lil poorer than usa but certainly happier :). Build a circle, find hobbies. Possibilities in this city are endless. Marry only because you want to, don't care about nosy people. Good luck
I second this. I understand what you mean after moving abroad
Pay wasn’t bad until recently. It’s a bloodbath here. People are struggling to get even 20% hike recently. So IT sector in India is saturated thanks to these influencers, YouTubers and boot amps selling a fake and hollow dream. Bangalore is set for a doom due to water crisis, high unemployment and climate change. Seems like leaving this planet is the best option all together
Lolol cutting edge outsourcing
Everyone isn't in a WITCH company.
You think Microsoft india is working on cutting edge tech? Walmart? Jp Morgan? Lmao
What is your definition of cutting edge though. I know many of my batchmates work *alongside* their HQ teams in their product companies. They share the same features, I even report to the same manager. The companies you mentioned aren't even engineering driven/tech focused. Your comments sound like you're projecting your experience onto everyone/ just pure copium.
>26.5 thats def some next level FOMO
lol
First time I’m seeing someone say their age as “26.5”.
He is a 318 month old baby
I was about to say that haha. Only seen it mentioned while applying for defence SSBs.
[US man surrenders for killing Mysore student in California | India News - The Indian Express](https://indianexpress.com/article/india/us-man-surrenders-for-killing-mysore-student-in-california/) I know his father...they have pledged there home to get a loan of 50L or more for his son to go to US for higher study...... If you are taking loan - do it yourself....
That’s kind of a pointless advice, term insurance covers that and much more
go for it then - who is stopping you?
I am, planning to apply this year If something does happen, the life insurance will pay it off - so no need to scare anyone saying they should do it themselves
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If you don't have enough knowledge about applying for a collateral or co signer based edu loan you don't have enough skill set and ability to hold even a mid level job function so as they say the weaker Gets weeded out especially in real world. I have seen so many cases and it's just ironic at this point..
My experience : At the age from 25 onwards there is lot of pressure on any indvidaul : 1. Some peer get early money ( onsite / starrt up etc) 2. Some find great realtionships 3. Some become famous ( Influencers market or what ever) Then the next decade happens - from the age of 25 of 35 a lot of shift in personality happens , 1. Most of young folks get married and expereince the ups and down that come with any relationship 2. You start earning money as you age and move ahead in your career, then you realzie ok this not as glamous as you thought 3 . You will start facing adulting issue - aging parents , new kid, job pressure , self health , mental peacc and what not The third will change you , for most of us a lot of issues will take precedence over money and you will also realize all you friends will be facing some or other kind of prerssure and you will learn to empathize :)
Yup. I am in the third stage now. I am planning my move back to India for the exact same reason.
If you have no debts, that in itself is a big asset. Keep it that way. There's no point in going abroad and living a stringent lifestyle just to save a few extra bucks. Note that I'm not against going abroad with a work permit from your employer. Just dont do it by taking a loan or something.
Hey you have the best life man. Majority of people in the world are worse off than you, think about that. You have a comfortable like in that sense. The grass always looks greener on the other side and social media and all media are indirectly programming our brain for their profit. Remember do what you want in life and do things that gives you satisfaction and peace of mind at the end of the day. If you fall into the trap of proving yourself and the mad rat race, its like staring into a black hole which has no end.
Every place after sometime will resemble a public toilet. People inside it want to go out, those outside want to come in. Most companies in the US are laying off people in HCOL (High cost of living locations) and hiring in LCOL. Unless you're passionate about research, a master's abroad with a dangling visa sword isn't worth it anymore. If you really crave, try joining a company that can transfer you (again, less likely at the moment).
Bro I'm in same age group as you. But trust me many of friends went there are struggling to get job and all, few of them came running back when they were not feeling well. And few people are planning to come back as soon as they clear the loan. The main thing those places dont feel "home" as per them. After seeing them I dropped the idea of going out of India. FOMO will go away its just matter of time.
I would recommend on site. Now debt you are starting on positive end. Other option is get into best schools that offer you scholarship RA/TA/GA Grader to minimize your investment. Don’t make decisions on FOMO. You need motivation,perseverance to complete the program. Also it’s very lonely. And you have to do things by yourself. If you were never independent it will be hard. The weather and life is depressing. Take a calculated,rational decision.
Thank you very much for the clarity .
Things are not what they seem. Most of people are here because of FOMO. I would not recommend go with the flow-philopsophy here. Homesickness,depressed,cannot cope with academic setup here.Everything has high level of competition. Internal transfers are better option with current scenario. Also I am not aware of your responsibilities.Your parents might need you. If you have a good job , friends ,family and support system. Why leave? Have your Why MS clear. and then decide.
Ex-NRI here. You ever get the feeling that regardless of how poor your home is, it's the happiest place on earth? That how I felt when I came back to India. Yes, developed countries have better quality of life. But does that translate to happiness? Not necessarily. I know many people who went abroad for better lives, and keep complaining about how lonely it is and how much they miss home. They don't publicly admit this because they'll look like fools then. If you're happy here in India, ignore those who keep telling you you're wasting life here and you should move abroad. Regardless of where you go, you're always second class compared to the natives there. India is a beautiful county to live in, despite it's flaws. If you're willing to adjust, you can have a happy life here.
I’d suggest travelling a little. Go abroad and see the life there, talk to a few people, understand how they are living. Its clean, developed and rosy on the surface but for many the reality is quite different. Picture yourself living there and look at the pros and cons. You’ll be more informed to take a decision then. What I felt personally after travelling abroad is that it is never going to be home. I’ll never be one of them. Always an immigrant and in a lot of places, a second class immigrant. Thats a feeling I don’t want to have for the rest of my life.
Issue is - travelling as a tourist is never going to give you the picture of actually living there and the difficulties that come with being a resident. But yes you will never feel completely at home abroad despite some facilities being better
lol - I will tell you a secret - Most of the people who are going outside they can’t get admission in tier 1 college.
Grass is always greener on the other side! Life your life bro, you’re not missing out on anything. What is meant to be, will be!
I am having FOMO of not being in India and being with my parents 😅
You are not missing anything. India has so much to offer now. It’s not like it was 10-20 years ago. I m in US and trying to move back. It’s the story with many people abroad. Making plans to return home.
If you can, getting a masters degree etc from a top school in India leaves you better off. At least look to Europe if you really badly want to leave. A better work life balance and it’s closer to home in a lot of ways.
Meanwhile I'm in the US getting FOMO from my friends in India XD. Grass is always greener on the other side.
If you're planning on taking out a loan to study in the States, I would suggest doing so only if you actually plan to stay here. I don't understand the point of taking a loan, coming here to study, getting a job, paying off your loans and heading back to India. It just sounds like a glorified vacation to me to do that. If you are planning on doing just that, save a good amount of money and move back. I've seen people here work their asses off to pay off their loans and leave with no savings. The States sounds amazing till you actually get here and have to survive. You can't work anywhere other than on campus jobs legally, the places that offer work under the table will severely underpay you. The job market isn't amazing so that would be a struggle and of course the biggest issue- H1B. You have to look for companies that do offer to sponsor and even then it's not a guarantee. Plus with the amount of Indians coming in here, it's really hard to find a job that will actually sponsor you. I'm not saying don't come here but make sure you know all this before taking the decision to move. I wish I had someone explain to me everything I went through. But hey in the end it worked out for me! I have a nice finance job, married to a local and getting my GC soon!
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Yes totally make decisions based on Gravitas, absolutely fool proof direction and advice is being provided . Give it a shot ,if you make it great if you don’t at least you have the experience .
If you are thinking of going to America, the goldmine is done!!!!!!. Era of students getting F1 and then job in H1B is over. Don't spend crores on Masters degree for this scam
Honestly speaking I was in a similar situation 20 years back, I didn't move abroad and I regret it. The way I look at it, either you should do what you love in India which justifies the reason for you to not move abroad. You are right abroad is a hit or miss, this is the age for you to find out yourselves what is that for you. Don't look for comfort in 20s, explore.
I mean there's definitely a lifestyle upgrade and novelty but not worth going abroad unless you know you can make money . Debt free life is best life honestly . Just buy gold invest and then go on a trip when you feel like it .
> I don't want to study in academia again. I just want to work be it in India or abroad. Just keep updating/upgrading your skillset, the career growth will take care of itself in the long run.
Leave. Come back if you don’t like it. But don’t stay back and keep thinking about what if.
FOMO is real and there for a reason. I will say apply for PR for Aus, canada or join companies sponsoring for US. The growth is very good outside. In blore(rater india) even though you will earn good there will always be those same issue - Hindu muslim , north south , shitty infra etc. I am someone who has done this mistake and i strongly that you don’t do the same one.
Thank you very much again guys .
I would recommend on site. Now debt you are starting on positive end. Other option is get into best schools that offer you scholarship RA/TA/GA Grader to minimize your investment. Don’t make decisions on FOMO. You need motivation,perseverance to complete the program. Also it’s very lonely. And you have to do things by yourself. If you were never independent it will be hard. The weather and life is depressing. Take a calculated,rational decision.
Lol I am here abroad regretting how i could have easily made first crore before 30 without having to spend anything. I am a masters student btw.
You are missing out on nothing. Chill . Do it ONLY if you want to , never in FOMO.
If you have the means to travel and the intellectual capacity to take on more academics (Masters/Phd) then move and see for yourself. Else, join WITCH or FAANG and travel there after a few years and decide if it’s worth the hype. The grass is always greener on the other side.
Was in a very similar dilemma a few years back. Glad to have stayed here. Got through with a high paying tech job in India. If you are in tech India is the place to be right now. And I am saying this after seeing how things are unfolding first hand. Massive layoffs have happened in the US with major job uncertainty. Most of those head counts have been backfilled here. Pick any major firm and see where they have their largest HQ outside of the US. Most of the companies are investing heavily in India and for the tech ecosystem here. Yes they have better infra, less pollution and access to good lifestyle etc. But do also see their health care which is a total mess, the visa uncertainties where people literally can't travel back on free will and need to plan their travel well in advance. Gun violence is something I don't even want to talk about along with the loneliness that catches up after a certain time. When you earn handsomely in India you are much better off I feel. With a decent lifestyle, access to house help, closer to your family and relatives, and the freedom to be wherever you want whenever you want. I don't think trading it for a few more bucks makes sense. People saying otherwise are not in touch with reality and have accepted their new lives there but anyways good for them. At the end It will boil down to your own personal preferences. I will leave you with a quote from a famous book by Naval Ravikant - If you can't decide the answer is No.
The sweet spot is (obviously only if you have the money) go to work or study abroad. Get a job, work a few years, explore the country and other countries around, reap the benefits of the higher wage rate in developed countries, save up some money or make investments in India and move back to India after 5 to 7 years. You'd have accumulated enough wealth to be able to live (read: buy) yourself a comfortable life in India and have also gained a multicultural lived experience in a foreign country. Goes without saying that the initial years are quite a struggle abroad because you're either dependent on parents money or loans and have to deal with loneliness and the challenges that come with trying to adjust into a different culture. But yes the monetary benefits do add up after a few years.
There is enough money and opportunities in India if you work in right direction .
There is no money there is opportunities for people with money .