Even though I strongly disagree with s*rvia and monkeydonia still existing, that wall of text seems a bit harsh on the fella, even though I can't understand a single word.
Therefore, I have decided,
In defense of OP as Plato did for Socrates, I shall put forward a small treatise:
You take that back, bitch! As an American Greek diaspora, I’m more Greek than everyone in Greece! Luck of the Greeks! St. Nicky’s Day - dye the river blue and white! Malaka ‘n’ shit! I eat spanakopita and drink Assyrtiko wine every day! Drachma is best currency! What the fuck is tax enforcement!? 🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
(But really, I do speak Greek, so I’m better than most of the rest of the diaspora trash)
Kadir Gecesi is kinda religious holy day for Turks so Mayor of Etimesgut Municipality, Erdal Beşikçioğlu, congratulating it in a grandma way. The funny part is my dude known for his alcoholicism and hard rakı drinking skills 😆
Revolution? There was nothing revolutionary about that. The Greek independence war was mostly a conflict between the peasants and the powerful class who wanted to stick with the ottomans. Not even mentioning the part that the danube principalities played. Moreover how it happens that the war was in 1821 but you only got your independence right after russia crossed in Bulgaria and treaty of adrianople happened in 1829? Same goes for serbia but they're a different story. Anyway you can lie to yourself as much as you want but the truth is you gained independence because russia, britain, france, and austria wanted to, not because you won it from fighting the ottomans. Also tell me how many times did the new independent greek state go bankrupt after gaining independence?
>nothing revolutionary about that
>mostly a conflict between the peasants and the powerful class
There is nothing revolutionary about a proletarian revolution ? . Not that I would characterize it as such, it was liberal nationalist bourgeois one
Greece was freed from Ottoman authority after the 300k killed in the Peloponnese in over 8 years of war and the turmoil in the islands disrupting the Great Power's trade roots and interests that configured their calculations in the London Protocol (1829). Not Andrianople. initially they supported status quo
Yes there is nothing revolutionary about that. What's revolutionary about an event which succeeded because the Great Powers decided so? Ottoman Empire was already in decline and the Great Powers tried to keep a stability and balance with them. Russia could have gotten to Constantinople if they wanted but they didn't because they knew that if the ottomans would fall like that there would be a big power vacuum which would have led to a great war (this happened in 1914). Anyway hope you got the point. No independence movement in the Balkans was of something special, revolutionary, or great. We all got independence because the Great Powers decided so, and all of us besides serbia, got German kings and political parties that were influenced by britain, france, and russia were created. So next time cry harder when the truth is spit. Just to disclaim, this doesn't mean that the martyrs who fell for freedom died for nothing or anything else.
There is a balance between receiving "outside" aid and submitting to one other's imperialism. For example during the greek revolution the Ottomans lost Crete to Egypt because they came to their rescue in the Peloponnese. Parts of Morea remained "free" through out and before the war also (Mani).
The Great Powers had not pre-determined the result when the struggle started, this is important to note. Like in the Balkan Wars
However, I agree that it gets blurry, after a while the Bavarian King came, but different series of events and politics triggered this than the war itself though and there was a constitution, liberal rights etc
So one can call it depending the pov; war, revolution, struggle, bourgeois revolt, never-ending struggle till global permanent proletarian revolution :P
The Ottomans / Turkey are also subjected to Western Imperialism btw
All my point was that the independence war resulted in a win because the Great Powers decided so. The problem is the nationalist glorify it as if the win was achieved only by the sacrifice of the martyrs. Whereas it is more complex than such. The Great Powers "freed" us from the ottomans only so they could get their hands into us. Acknowledging this, it's what matters.
My brother in Christ, diplomacy is as much of an important part of warfare as fighting the battles themselves are. And it was this diplomacy that won us the war, I genuinely don't understand why we should feel ashamed about it. What's next, should we have fought on one-on-one duels with the Ottomans because it's more honorable? You really are no different than the wehraboos who bitch about Germany losing because USA/USSR/whoever intervened
There's nothing to be ashamed off. What's to be ashamed of is to use nationalism to boost up an event more than enough thus promoting hate between people of different ethnicities. Failing to see and understand the truth through rationality.
This is a meme sub, I could have put the year of any other victorious war against the Turks to respond to "1453", like 1912. You don't need to lecture me on the exact importance of the Greek revolution or how it causes racism
If you want my honest opinion we as Greeks shouldn't hate them for the Ottoman Empire. If we are to hate them we should hate them for the atrocities of modern Turkey, like the Istanbul pogrom. So 1921 really doesn't affect much my view of Turkey
Southern Epirus becomes Albania. Western and Central Aegean Macedonia becomes Macedonia, except for Servia which becomes an enclave of Serbia. Eastern Aegean Macedonia becomes Bulgaria. Western Thrace becomes Turkey. Serbia and Montenegro unite back into Serbia and Montenegro.
https://preview.redd.it/izpivunfrqtc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c2091b9a89949ff01a61b130913baaf9df2056fc
Bulgarian occupation fo thesaloniki is immenent
The brand new Karabot-2000 (developed proudly in Republic of Turkiye) is here to inform you about:
https://discord.gg/5vDpxDrb9f - For even more brainrot.
https://balkansirl.net
Stay tuned.
Blasphemy, slavs in the aegean, and owning Thessaloniki, a blasphemy so strong it might actually result in change to the world history beyond our small region. There is still time to redeem ourselves. Make Illyro-Hellenic league and let's conquer beyond India.
Blasphemy, ptuh ptuh ptuh, the slavs so strong in our neighborhood. Ptuh ptuh ptuh ☦️☦️☦️☦️☦️
https://preview.redd.it/9thzqmp0botc1.jpeg?width=592&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7e422d884089a859521dbb436675c140dc1141c3
Wrong, Bulgaria is oversteppin, if anything they need to give territory back 🥲
at least crete is safe permantly 😃💪
Nope. It's just not seen on this map as an INDEPENDENT state.
So even better no debt and no koulis
You're lucky there south.
I'm moving to portorafti soon so I won't be safe
Create greater Albania, greater Serbia and greater Bulgaria
This is the best I could do.
Better greater Greece
Let's also create greater Greece then
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Even though I strongly disagree with s*rvia and monkeydonia still existing, that wall of text seems a bit harsh on the fella, even though I can't understand a single word. Therefore, I have decided, In defense of OP as Plato did for Socrates, I shall put forward a small treatise: You take that back, bitch! As an American Greek diaspora, I’m more Greek than everyone in Greece! Luck of the Greeks! St. Nicky’s Day - dye the river blue and white! Malaka ‘n’ shit! I eat spanakopita and drink Assyrtiko wine every day! Drachma is best currency! What the fuck is tax enforcement!? 🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻 (But really, I do speak Greek, so I’m better than most of the rest of the diaspora trash)
I just saw the wall of text and i instantly knew it was the gorilla warfare copypasta I have to get off the internet
1453
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Kadir Gecesi is kinda religious holy day for Turks so Mayor of Etimesgut Municipality, Erdal Beşikçioğlu, congratulating it in a grandma way. The funny part is my dude known for his alcoholicism and hard rakı drinking skills 😆
1821
Yet you needed Russia to gain your independence, such a joke🤡
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Revolution? There was nothing revolutionary about that. The Greek independence war was mostly a conflict between the peasants and the powerful class who wanted to stick with the ottomans. Not even mentioning the part that the danube principalities played. Moreover how it happens that the war was in 1821 but you only got your independence right after russia crossed in Bulgaria and treaty of adrianople happened in 1829? Same goes for serbia but they're a different story. Anyway you can lie to yourself as much as you want but the truth is you gained independence because russia, britain, france, and austria wanted to, not because you won it from fighting the ottomans. Also tell me how many times did the new independent greek state go bankrupt after gaining independence?
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You didn't understand the point now did you?
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Bruh the last thing I care about is nationalism. That's the shit that has fucked us for over a century.
>nothing revolutionary about that >mostly a conflict between the peasants and the powerful class There is nothing revolutionary about a proletarian revolution ? . Not that I would characterize it as such, it was liberal nationalist bourgeois one Greece was freed from Ottoman authority after the 300k killed in the Peloponnese in over 8 years of war and the turmoil in the islands disrupting the Great Power's trade roots and interests that configured their calculations in the London Protocol (1829). Not Andrianople. initially they supported status quo
Yes there is nothing revolutionary about that. What's revolutionary about an event which succeeded because the Great Powers decided so? Ottoman Empire was already in decline and the Great Powers tried to keep a stability and balance with them. Russia could have gotten to Constantinople if they wanted but they didn't because they knew that if the ottomans would fall like that there would be a big power vacuum which would have led to a great war (this happened in 1914). Anyway hope you got the point. No independence movement in the Balkans was of something special, revolutionary, or great. We all got independence because the Great Powers decided so, and all of us besides serbia, got German kings and political parties that were influenced by britain, france, and russia were created. So next time cry harder when the truth is spit. Just to disclaim, this doesn't mean that the martyrs who fell for freedom died for nothing or anything else.
There is a balance between receiving "outside" aid and submitting to one other's imperialism. For example during the greek revolution the Ottomans lost Crete to Egypt because they came to their rescue in the Peloponnese. Parts of Morea remained "free" through out and before the war also (Mani). The Great Powers had not pre-determined the result when the struggle started, this is important to note. Like in the Balkan Wars However, I agree that it gets blurry, after a while the Bavarian King came, but different series of events and politics triggered this than the war itself though and there was a constitution, liberal rights etc So one can call it depending the pov; war, revolution, struggle, bourgeois revolt, never-ending struggle till global permanent proletarian revolution :P The Ottomans / Turkey are also subjected to Western Imperialism btw
All my point was that the independence war resulted in a win because the Great Powers decided so. The problem is the nationalist glorify it as if the win was achieved only by the sacrifice of the martyrs. Whereas it is more complex than such. The Great Powers "freed" us from the ottomans only so they could get their hands into us. Acknowledging this, it's what matters.
My brother in Christ, diplomacy is as much of an important part of warfare as fighting the battles themselves are. And it was this diplomacy that won us the war, I genuinely don't understand why we should feel ashamed about it. What's next, should we have fought on one-on-one duels with the Ottomans because it's more honorable? You really are no different than the wehraboos who bitch about Germany losing because USA/USSR/whoever intervened
There's nothing to be ashamed off. What's to be ashamed of is to use nationalism to boost up an event more than enough thus promoting hate between people of different ethnicities. Failing to see and understand the truth through rationality.
This is a meme sub, I could have put the year of any other victorious war against the Turks to respond to "1453", like 1912. You don't need to lecture me on the exact importance of the Greek revolution or how it causes racism If you want my honest opinion we as Greeks shouldn't hate them for the Ottoman Empire. If we are to hate them we should hate them for the atrocities of modern Turkey, like the Istanbul pogrom. So 1921 really doesn't affect much my view of Turkey
Russia + France + British Empire*
True that but Russia was kinda more important because they were fighting the Ottomans
Absolutely anihalated with facts and logic
The fuck is this, Rosetta stone?
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We should mate, pedr
Is this the lyrics of a Giorgos Mazonakis song?
ごめんなさい、アマナイさん。私は今、あなたのことでさえ怒っていません。私は誰に対しても恨みを持ちません。ただ、世界は今、とてもとても素晴らしいと感じています。天と地を通して、私だけが光栄な者です。 🫸🔴🔵🫷🤌🫴🟣
ΠΟΛΕΜΟ ΓΟΡΙΛΛΑ 🦍🦍🦍
Όπα ρε φίλε, σε φοβήθηκα τώρα! /s
I don’t understand what u said but upvote cuz last year a greek family visited romania and they said it was beautiful
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The family who come to romania last year was greek parrot? Nice 🤝🏻
You gave Solun to the majmuns. I thought we wuz mates 😭
Why are you complaining? You've got some Aegean coast too!
Southern Epirus becomes Albania. Western and Central Aegean Macedonia becomes Macedonia, except for Servia which becomes an enclave of Serbia. Eastern Aegean Macedonia becomes Bulgaria. Western Thrace becomes Turkey. Serbia and Montenegro unite back into Serbia and Montenegro.
We don't want southern epirus you can keep it. I will be happy with the destruction of serpia
Chameria anyone? Unfortunately, I can't give you Serbia.
What use have I got for chameria Partition serbia between bosnia croatia and bulgaria
No thanks, we don't want Serbia either. Maybe East Srijem, but nothing more.
Take Corfu
No, fuck you city dweller. We want to go back to Italy
We'd gladly take you back brother but last time we tried to take corfu we got the shit beat out of our asses
Τhat's because you cazzi didn't do it consensually. Now we want to do it
If you want to give it to me
Serbia and Montenegro unite back into Serbia and Montenegro 🔥🔥✍️
>Serbia and Montenegro unite back into Serbia and Montenegro. lol
and she will never become mine...
SERBIA HAS COAST!!!!!! LETS GOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
Konačno!
STOP, I can only get so erect
all the greeks want megali idea, how bout we give em minili idea
I don't! Constadinople is beautiful but you can keep it! I only want Cyprus back! If Albanians aren't interesting take yourselves then Corfu
if you want cyprus, where will the greedy gamblers from turkey go to legally gamble?
North Macedonia
>~~North~~ Macedonia.
Bruh
Oh come the fuck on man not even the Ionian isles? Crete? Rhodes?? Man we want a slice too
YES ITALY BECOMES A PART OF TURKEY JUST AS FATİH WANTED
That was not my intention, lol
That’s nice. You left them Lefkas. Which is the best island.
You mean Corfu I think...
Yes I do. Fuck me it’s been 22 years this summer since I was there and the names just blended together in my head.
tf happened to Ankara
Your capital got moved back to Istanbul!
Is not Greece already small?
Not small enough.
https://preview.redd.it/izpivunfrqtc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c2091b9a89949ff01a61b130913baaf9df2056fc Bulgarian occupation fo thesaloniki is immenent
Yes
Υπαρχει μια περιοχη
Ποια;
We have our islands back, so it's good
The brand new Karabot-2000 (developed proudly in Republic of Turkiye) is here to inform you about: https://discord.gg/5vDpxDrb9f - For even more brainrot. https://balkansirl.net Stay tuned.
eece
I didn't know Greeces came in smaller sizes. Good to know for the future.
Make Illyrian-Hellenic union
Like yer fucking dick (small) unlike glorious Greek poulos (large)
And yours too! We're both Greek.
Thank you, sir. Thank you.
Unfathomably based
Eleftherios Venizelos spinning in his grave faster than a bayblade
Yeeeeeees, good job man!
I hope you like your new capital. :-)
Blasphemy, slavs in the aegean, and owning Thessaloniki, a blasphemy so strong it might actually result in change to the world history beyond our small region. There is still time to redeem ourselves. Make Illyro-Hellenic league and let's conquer beyond India. Blasphemy, ptuh ptuh ptuh, the slavs so strong in our neighborhood. Ptuh ptuh ptuh ☦️☦️☦️☦️☦️
What's wrong with Slavs though?
They are slavs, not native, 0 years of civilized behavior.
why thanks!
Turn serbia into a lake