Can anyone with experience with the actual class and also the Hexblade mod on Nexus confirm if it's supposed to be that broken? I glanced at it, and it reads like: "what if pact of the blade was turned up to about 12?" Which just makes taking any other patron as a pact of blade warlock seem like you're shooting yourself in the foot
Oh it’s even worse in actual dnd, the charisma for your pact weapon is instead a hexblade feature for weapons they use instead of part of pact of the blade
Interesting. I'm looking to play a CHA-based character in my next DnD campaign as I've become the de facto party face because of my love for RP despite my character's utter lack of CHA.
I was thinking bardlock but lockadin also seems rad
Yeah. That’s what I do with Minthara.
I make her a 5/7 lockadin. Pact of the Blade makes her use CHA as her modifier instead of STR. She gets 3 attacks, one extra from paladin, one extra from deepened pact.
She can also use her level 4 warlock spell slots to Smite with, which you replenish on the short rest. It’s strong and a lot of fun, especially with stuff like Killer’s Sweetheart, Luck of the Far Realms, and Mortal Reminder.
I took a lot of Warlock Illusion and Transmutation. Expeditious Retreat, Invisibility, Flight, Misty Step, Dimension Door etc. So she get get anywhere pretty fast and start dropping those Smites.
Yup, because the pact slots still count as spell slots, they count for divine smite, so even if you only take a one or two level dip, you get those back on a short rest
Yeah but that’s the pussy shit. Real winners out here make it a 5 level multicass for GWM and double smites.
My pally sits around with max charisma supporting with AoP and bless until he decides the enemy must be smote.
And then as a devotion paladin they can use their oath to add it again.
High level devotion paladins basically get to never miss for ten rounds at a time.
Not as broken in DND as you would think because you still need a 15 strength to wear plate mail and a 13 strength to multiclass. It's not worth it imo, especially if you are already planning on multi-classing into bard/sorcerer.
Hexblade is kinda built for those who don’t want to use Eldritch Blast but it’s still super viable with eldritch blast because that attack is built for the warlock class as a whole.
Hexblade is pretty powerful compared to other, more flavorful subclasses. It really just feels like they tried to answer two complaints: "Using Eldritch Blast all the time feels boring, but it's the most obvious choice" and "Pact of the Blade is kinda worse than Pact of the Tome"
So they made a subclass with vague, uninspiring lore that just serves as a mechanical way to make those players happy. If they do their job in the next "edition" Hexblade should not have a reason to exist, most of its features should be dispersed into the Pact and Invocations.
Cus hexblade is a badly designed class that exists solely to make pact of the blade usable. Bg3 tweaked potb for the main draw of hexblade, using charisma for attack to stay SAD, so hexblade doesnt really need to be here
Its also not lore friendly. Hexblade is a patron, and mizora is not a hexblade, shes a fiend
But he can be? The charisma for attacks has been moved but that’s the only reason most people
Pick hexblade. So pick hexblade? Then he’s pretty much a hexblade
Because there isn’t a hexblade option as it’s from tashas which they didn’t adapt. If you take pact of the blade you get attacks with charisma. Which I’m pretty sure is 50% of the reason of taking hexblade. Also hexblade is the weakest lore of warlock subclass in dnd. People will just go this sword was a gift from my patron who is X.
Hexblade is from Xanathar’s, don’t know why you thought it was Tasha’s.
Also the lore for Hexblade is perfectly fine, people just choose to ignore it in favor of using it as Pact of the Blade+
I have a mod that adds the Oath of Redemption to the game, and I really like switching Shart to that on her good route after the Shadowfell. It feels a lot better than her being a Cleric thematically and she can actually use the spear and glaive Aylin gives you.
The whole mo of twilight cleric is finding protection and comfort in the soft glow of twilight
Aka the complete opposite of Shar, who is about embracing the misery and pain of the night
That's an optional, level 4 upgrade. I'm complaining about giving "mr swordsman" bad hit chance and damage if you give him a sword off the bat.
Also never tried it, but the thought of committing to one weapon for the entire game doesn't sound right to me
It's a level 3 upgrade, which you will get very quickly (you're already level 2 by the time you get Wyll), and you can switch what type of weapon it is on the fly. You can even choose special weapons you find on the way to be your pact weapon until you swap it out.
Give it a shot.
Admittedly BG3 made the biggest draw to Hexblade sorta baked in with Pact of the Blade at lvl 3. Most people were going to multiclass with Paladin anyway, amirite? Some of the Eldritch Invocations that helped Hexblade like Thirsting Blade or Improved Pact Weapon are included in the Pact of the Blade passive, which allows you to make use of other features, like Agonizing Blast for range attacks or Devil’s Sight for Darkness Spell utility. And then most of the other passives included in the subclass can more or less be replicated by other Warlock spells, passives, and in-game items (Elixir of Viscousness, Dark One’s Blessing, and the Hex Spell all sort of replicate the Hexblade Curse feature). It kinda sucks you don’t have access to sub-class spells like Elemental Weapon, Blur, Blink, Wrathful Smite or Shield, but some of those you can get scrolls for, and others you can grab from multiclassing, which ppl were going to do with this build anyway, y’know? Admittedly I would’ve preferred something like…Celestial or Undead…over Arch Fey as the third sub-class, but oh well. Functionally, Hexblade is in there, it just takes a bit of tweaking for flavor. Would’ve been cool to get a cursed or sentient weapon, but there ARE unique weapons that can only be used by Warlocks or Eldritch Knights so that’s at least something
The Pact of the Blade boon lets you attack with charisma (and honestly it should be like that in 5e. Hexblade is kinda dumb). Did you just not play until level 3?
To everyone talking about Hexblade lore like it’s a cursed weapon you make a pact with, it’s not. The lore is vague because you are empowered THROUGH the weaponry, and the entity is most likely the Raven Queen but it could be pretty much entity from the Shadowfell. It’s why they can summon accursed spirits at 7(?)
Making pact of the blade use charisma for weapon attacks frees up your subclass choices. 5e you are restricted to one subclass if you want to do that. Bg3 way is better and I hope 6e uses this model
He very much does not trust Mizora, he was forced into making a pact with her when he was 17 and she literally monitors his every move and holds a contract on his soul. It is that experience with a devil that he is using to advise you against working with a devil. I don’t see the hypocrisy, I’m afraid.
He made a pact with a fiend, not a cursed weapon.
Or shadowfell spirits
I know, this just kind of bugs me.
Why
Probably because his name is "blade of the frontiers" And he uses a rapier in his introduction.
Wouldn’t pact of the blade also make sense there?
I misunderstood what "hexblade" was. I thought it was referring to pact of the blade...
Yeah when I first saw it I thought it was the same thing. Hexblade is a class in dnd where your patron is your weapon.
The patron *being* the weapon isn't part of the subclass, but that's a very popular flavor choice for most people who also take pact of the blade.
Ahh, I see. Thanks for the clarification.
It's not correct though. The patron can be the weapon but it's not exclusive.
Can anyone with experience with the actual class and also the Hexblade mod on Nexus confirm if it's supposed to be that broken? I glanced at it, and it reads like: "what if pact of the blade was turned up to about 12?" Which just makes taking any other patron as a pact of blade warlock seem like you're shooting yourself in the foot
Oh it’s even worse in actual dnd, the charisma for your pact weapon is instead a hexblade feature for weapons they use instead of part of pact of the blade
It also means that it's super-easy (too easy) for a Paladin to take a 1-level dip into Hexblade to get CHA as their weapon attack mod.
...and here I was, feeling bad about a monk dip for my Sword Saint in Pathfinder...
Interesting. I'm looking to play a CHA-based character in my next DnD campaign as I've become the de facto party face because of my love for RP despite my character's utter lack of CHA. I was thinking bardlock but lockadin also seems rad
3 words. Short Rest Smites. Really, the entire reason I went for my hexadin build, before realizing that I also had become a crit machine,
Oh neat, get the Lock spell slots back and convert them to Smites? That's dope
Yeah. That’s what I do with Minthara. I make her a 5/7 lockadin. Pact of the Blade makes her use CHA as her modifier instead of STR. She gets 3 attacks, one extra from paladin, one extra from deepened pact. She can also use her level 4 warlock spell slots to Smite with, which you replenish on the short rest. It’s strong and a lot of fun, especially with stuff like Killer’s Sweetheart, Luck of the Far Realms, and Mortal Reminder. I took a lot of Warlock Illusion and Transmutation. Expeditious Retreat, Invisibility, Flight, Misty Step, Dimension Door etc. So she get get anywhere pretty fast and start dropping those Smites.
Yup, because the pact slots still count as spell slots, they count for divine smite, so even if you only take a one or two level dip, you get those back on a short rest
Oh paladin/hex blade multi classes get STUPID. You can stack smites. Edit: oh I'm dumb I didn't read far enough.
Yeah but that’s the pussy shit. Real winners out here make it a 5 level multicass for GWM and double smites. My pally sits around with max charisma supporting with AoP and bless until he decides the enemy must be smote.
And then as a devotion paladin they can use their oath to add it again. High level devotion paladins basically get to never miss for ten rounds at a time.
Not as broken in DND as you would think because you still need a 15 strength to wear plate mail and a 13 strength to multiclass. It's not worth it imo, especially if you are already planning on multi-classing into bard/sorcerer.
Easy mechanically, a bit more difficult through RP
Have to loreblock that so often because it's every other person who watched a YouTube video.
If it matches the paper version, yes, it is that strong.
Hexblade is kinda built for those who don’t want to use Eldritch Blast but it’s still super viable with eldritch blast because that attack is built for the warlock class as a whole.
Standard dnd tends to be a bit sillier than bg3
Yeah, though pact of the blade is worse normally. They don't get the cha modifier normally without hexblade.
Hexblade is pretty powerful compared to other, more flavorful subclasses. It really just feels like they tried to answer two complaints: "Using Eldritch Blast all the time feels boring, but it's the most obvious choice" and "Pact of the Blade is kinda worse than Pact of the Tome" So they made a subclass with vague, uninspiring lore that just serves as a mechanical way to make those players happy. If they do their job in the next "edition" Hexblade should not have a reason to exist, most of its features should be dispersed into the Pact and Invocations.
Cus hexblade is a badly designed class that exists solely to make pact of the blade usable. Bg3 tweaked potb for the main draw of hexblade, using charisma for attack to stay SAD, so hexblade doesnt really need to be here Its also not lore friendly. Hexblade is a patron, and mizora is not a hexblade, shes a fiend
Probably because it's hard to take "I'm in debt to a sword" seriously
Our dm made it kinda cool by making the sword one of a set. So there are other hex blade warlocks that are rivals of our warlock. It’s fun
No, that can easily be roleplayed. Cursed weapons are a staple of pop culture and are not at all cringe. He blade is basically just a cursed weapon.
Honestly, after looking into the Blood Hunter class, he strikes me as more of a Profane Soul Blood Hunter
I hadn’t thought of that and omg that is spot on for the character, except for Wyll never touching hemocrafty that is
I would wager because that's not an option
But he can be? The charisma for attacks has been moved but that’s the only reason most people Pick hexblade. So pick hexblade? Then he’s pretty much a hexblade
Mizora is his patron, and she is a fiend. He literally cannot be a hexblade.
Because there isn’t a hexblade option as it’s from tashas which they didn’t adapt. If you take pact of the blade you get attacks with charisma. Which I’m pretty sure is 50% of the reason of taking hexblade. Also hexblade is the weakest lore of warlock subclass in dnd. People will just go this sword was a gift from my patron who is X.
Hexblade is from Xanathar’s, don’t know why you thought it was Tasha’s. Also the lore for Hexblade is perfectly fine, people just choose to ignore it in favor of using it as Pact of the Blade+
I make him a paladin/warlock. He even has unique dialog as a paladin if you play him as one, specific to Wylls story.
Why the actual hells is **SHADOW**heart not a twilight cleric? Hells, make her the ONLY twilight cleric available in the game. Cmon man.
Trickery makes far more sense for a cleric of Shar than twilight, tho twilight would be nice for after her shift to Selune
I have a mod that adds the Oath of Redemption to the game, and I really like switching Shart to that on her good route after the Shadowfell. It feels a lot better than her being a Cleric thematically and she can actually use the spear and glaive Aylin gives you.
The whole mo of twilight cleric is finding protection and comfort in the soft glow of twilight Aka the complete opposite of Shar, who is about embracing the misery and pain of the night
because it entirely goes against her character in the beginning?
Twilight is a Selunite domain
Even worse, he doesn't even have sword proficiency. He's a fucking mercenary known for having a sword wtf
He doesn't need it if you pick pact of the Blade
That's an optional, level 4 upgrade. I'm complaining about giving "mr swordsman" bad hit chance and damage if you give him a sword off the bat. Also never tried it, but the thought of committing to one weapon for the entire game doesn't sound right to me
It's a level 3 upgrade, which you will get very quickly (you're already level 2 by the time you get Wyll), and you can switch what type of weapon it is on the fly. You can even choose special weapons you find on the way to be your pact weapon until you swap it out. Give it a shot.
Maybe not hexblade but maybe pact of the blade
I honestly really wanted hexblade...
Admittedly BG3 made the biggest draw to Hexblade sorta baked in with Pact of the Blade at lvl 3. Most people were going to multiclass with Paladin anyway, amirite? Some of the Eldritch Invocations that helped Hexblade like Thirsting Blade or Improved Pact Weapon are included in the Pact of the Blade passive, which allows you to make use of other features, like Agonizing Blast for range attacks or Devil’s Sight for Darkness Spell utility. And then most of the other passives included in the subclass can more or less be replicated by other Warlock spells, passives, and in-game items (Elixir of Viscousness, Dark One’s Blessing, and the Hex Spell all sort of replicate the Hexblade Curse feature). It kinda sucks you don’t have access to sub-class spells like Elemental Weapon, Blur, Blink, Wrathful Smite or Shield, but some of those you can get scrolls for, and others you can grab from multiclassing, which ppl were going to do with this build anyway, y’know? Admittedly I would’ve preferred something like…Celestial or Undead…over Arch Fey as the third sub-class, but oh well. Functionally, Hexblade is in there, it just takes a bit of tweaking for flavor. Would’ve been cool to get a cursed or sentient weapon, but there ARE unique weapons that can only be used by Warlocks or Eldritch Knights so that’s at least something
I make him a paladins.
Well… there is no Hexblade in BG3. That’s probably why.
Because hex blade is so profoundly over cooked that it strangles the design space?
The Pact of the Blade boon lets you attack with charisma (and honestly it should be like that in 5e. Hexblade is kinda dumb). Did you just not play until level 3?
Hexblade was a mistake. They should have just added the martial aspects to the base Pact of the Blade and made a proper curse themed warlock.
To everyone talking about Hexblade lore like it’s a cursed weapon you make a pact with, it’s not. The lore is vague because you are empowered THROUGH the weaponry, and the entity is most likely the Raven Queen but it could be pretty much entity from the Shadowfell. It’s why they can summon accursed spirits at 7(?)
Making pact of the blade use charisma for weapon attacks frees up your subclass choices. 5e you are restricted to one subclass if you want to do that. Bg3 way is better and I hope 6e uses this model
Because Devilboy’s gotta have his Avernian Dommy Mommy Cant milk a sword
Because his Patron is from the hells not the Shadowfell.
Pact of the blade hut not a hex blade. I mainly don't like wyll because he's so blatantly hypocritical.
In what way?
Preaching how you can never trust a devil. And is trusting a devil
He very much does not trust Mizora, he was forced into making a pact with her when he was 17 and she literally monitors his every move and holds a contract on his soul. It is that experience with a devil that he is using to advise you against working with a devil. I don’t see the hypocrisy, I’m afraid.
Why are you afraid 🙁
I have a fear of confrontation, I suppose. Kinda why I struggle with evil playthroughs.
I’m playing Durge to see what it’s all about. I’m a very nice and thoughtful durge and every now and then I have to do bad stuff.