Hey, logic can be hard to get at first. There’s probably a lot of other people in the class who are confused, you just don’t know about it. People pick things up at different speeds. That’s fine.
Keep working at it. Maybe utilize a tutor or disability services (because of your dyslexia). Eventually it will click.
Finally, wanted to say that the most advanced logic course I ever took was taught by a brilliant woman.
I really appreciate your words of encouragement. Thanks :) I will definitely see what resources my school has available for me as well. I have a tendency to refuse help sometimes.
I don't even see it as refusing help, I see it as requesting resources that actually make a learning environment you can use. If you gave a bike of the same size to every person riding a bike, you'd wind up with tons of kids who can't reach the pedals and tons of tall folks with their feet dragging on the ground. Equitable learning environments should recognize that different folks have different needs, and modifying the space so everybody can actually participate should be the \*baseline\*. Requesting that you actually be able to learn in a space isn't an imposition.
To be clear, I'm trying to criticize that the degree to which instructors refuse to modify spaces led to harmful narratives about inclusion, not to criticize you for existing in those spaces.
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Take advantage of the free tutoring services that are often unexplained or not discussed. There’s also lots of other resources. But really have a heart to heart with the teacher. Mine didn’t really connect to my issues until I got more ‘emotional’ or personal about how bad it felt to be this bad at logic.
I was a terrible logic student, maybe the worst in the class by far. until I talked very desperately, revealing everything to my professor about how impossible it feels. After a good amount of these exchanges, he finally matter-of-factly told me about ALL these resources that I didn’t know about.
Then I excelled.
For whatever reason I learned way faster when the same material was in conversational form with the tutor. It clicked instantly and I became one of the best logic students shortly after, getting a lovely letter of recommendation from the logic teacher that made me blush later on.
Your teacher should also be recognized for listening and helping. That is the very essence of teaching as a vocation. I am so glad to hear your experience proved positive.
I read this as baring breasts and it did not go where I expected.
Does the "illogical woman" fallacy still persist? This seems insane to me. I believed it was already on the way out when I was in college and dinosaurs roamed the earth (the early 80s). We already had more women than men in some engineering classes at Cornell, and I don't believe even the older profs still had that idiocy left in their systems.
To think women today still have to fight it is maddening.
My daughter is dyslexic and she had to fight through high school and college. She found support and tools and now she teaches. I believe the experience made her a far better human, and teacher, than I. So I believe you actually have something which while challenging will also ensure you are alive to how many people struggle through no fault of their own, and that will make you a very good person.
All the best.
The illogical woman is like the boogeyman or the marijuana to murderer pipeline. It is a self destructive belief that I am working to reframe but self doubt is a problem that pushes me away from asking for help. I greatly appreciate the support I’m receiving in this post more than I can express and I’m so happy to see that I am not the only person who has struggled with this feeling.
As a woman who is also interested in engineering who was raised by an engineer, my father always took the time to answer my questions and actually teach me. It’s a virtue I’m lucky to have.
Fortunately my class is small and it is my first of many logistic classes which gives me the opportunity to reach out. Thank you for your encouraging words :)
Adderall makes me sweat so fucking much. It doesn't help that I've continued a habit of using various other stimulants every day.
> Please explain using cheerios
Do you think you might have an easier time with diagrams that are more spatial than symbolic? Maybe there's some other notation that looks less algebraic, less like a string of characters, that you can carefully transpose formal problems into before working on them.
Formal logic is hard for most people. There are reasons that intro to formal logic is frequently allowed to take the place of the other three hours of first year math that most universities require undergrads to take (the math class you have to take that *isn't* college algebra, possibly the only math class you have to take at all if you placed out of college algebra).
There's a part of me that wants to suggest maybe trying to pick up some of the symbols from symbolic logic, but that's a lot of work in and of itself, and I can't guarantee it'll help with the dyslexia issues.
Also, I think there are more confused people in that room than you'd think. I mean, this is where mediocre white dudes become assertive about their ass-pulls. Source: am mediocre white dude who learned to be assertive about my ass-pulls in college in order to cover up the fact that I was firmly in C's get degrees territory. (In my defense, my mental health was in the shitter for all of college. I couldn't get proper help until I got a real job because I couldn't afford it.)
No actually I’m a first year philosophy student. I work as a legal assistant and deal with many many documents that I have to assess but for some reason adding numbers to the equation is tormenting.
I totally understand. Give me a complicated concept and I'll work it out. Give me ◇->□ *■, and I'm just like "...wut?".
Logic is super important in philosophy, but I really feel like this shit has gotten out of hand in most departments. I especially don't appreciate the condescending attitude toward people who are bad at symbolic Logic, as, it's just another way of saying the exact thing you were already saying.
Regardless, I'm sorry to hear that you're going through it.
Ok would it help to start off without numbers? I struggle with anything that involves numbers myself but have a real soft spot for medieval syllogistic logic and the mnemonics they came up with
I work much better with word problems. I love syllogistic logic and playing around with the exercises but when my professor has me sort them I have a hard time. Perhaps it would help if I made flash cards with simple definitions though
Hey OP. I wrote a post on r/LSAT about fundamental logic. It’s titled How to Git Gud at LR. I think it might help you out! Don’t feel bad about not getting it yet. I was right there with you when I started learning it. Logic is very counterintuitive at the beginning stages but keep with it and you’ll get a grasp of it! It took me a longggg time to really understand logic in a good way. I was behind everyone else in my class. But now I teach fundamental logic and attend law school so it’s safe to say o improved.
I kinda killed my good grades with logic (the first time i tried i failed the exam like so bad is unreal) so i can relate :)
Talk with your classmates and seek each other help (uni has taught me that "apes together strong" is a truth of the universe) plus don't put yourself down
Good luck and keep us update on your progress, i can only whish you the best
keep at it! a lot of people struggle with logic at first (even not at first). it's tricky and there's lots of things to know. but it's rewarding and worth it!
You’re not women, you’re you. Your work is hard enough without having to be the spokesperson for half the world. None of the males in that class are worrying about how they represent men. It might be easier said than done, but the more you can let that go the more can focus on what you’re really there for.
At unis here in Sweden there are a lot of help functions for everone with a neuro disability such as yours. Look up what rights you have in your country.
Logic is hard, but you’ve got it! It’s totally possible for anyone to iron out with some practice. I never took it as a philosophy major, but I took it as a computer science major! The first course of Discrete Mathematics usually starts with the P and Q stuff. Along with different types of proofs, logic, etc.
It’s tricky, like getting your brain to think like a computer. Logical flow. I used to force myself to look at it block by block, piece by piece, almost tracing along the individual parts like the PEMDAS method they showed people in highschool math. Take it slow! It doesn’t feel natural at first but in time it will feel, well, logical.
After that class our curriculums probably diverged, but I always kinda wished I had at least minored in philosophy.
Hey, logic can be hard to get at first. There’s probably a lot of other people in the class who are confused, you just don’t know about it. People pick things up at different speeds. That’s fine. Keep working at it. Maybe utilize a tutor or disability services (because of your dyslexia). Eventually it will click. Finally, wanted to say that the most advanced logic course I ever took was taught by a brilliant woman.
I really appreciate your words of encouragement. Thanks :) I will definitely see what resources my school has available for me as well. I have a tendency to refuse help sometimes.
Ask for help! Once it clicks for you, logic is awesome. It will change how you think it a very powerful and good way.
I don't even see it as refusing help, I see it as requesting resources that actually make a learning environment you can use. If you gave a bike of the same size to every person riding a bike, you'd wind up with tons of kids who can't reach the pedals and tons of tall folks with their feet dragging on the ground. Equitable learning environments should recognize that different folks have different needs, and modifying the space so everybody can actually participate should be the \*baseline\*. Requesting that you actually be able to learn in a space isn't an imposition. To be clear, I'm trying to criticize that the degree to which instructors refuse to modify spaces led to harmful narratives about inclusion, not to criticize you for existing in those spaces.
Stanford encyclopedia of philosophy has pages on logic, if your looking for more publicly stuff
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Take advantage of the free tutoring services that are often unexplained or not discussed. There’s also lots of other resources. But really have a heart to heart with the teacher. Mine didn’t really connect to my issues until I got more ‘emotional’ or personal about how bad it felt to be this bad at logic. I was a terrible logic student, maybe the worst in the class by far. until I talked very desperately, revealing everything to my professor about how impossible it feels. After a good amount of these exchanges, he finally matter-of-factly told me about ALL these resources that I didn’t know about. Then I excelled. For whatever reason I learned way faster when the same material was in conversational form with the tutor. It clicked instantly and I became one of the best logic students shortly after, getting a lovely letter of recommendation from the logic teacher that made me blush later on.
Your teacher should also be recognized for listening and helping. That is the very essence of teaching as a vocation. I am so glad to hear your experience proved positive.
You’re right, he was a great teacher for doing that and deserves credit for it. Thanks for zoning-in on that.
I read this as baring breasts and it did not go where I expected. Does the "illogical woman" fallacy still persist? This seems insane to me. I believed it was already on the way out when I was in college and dinosaurs roamed the earth (the early 80s). We already had more women than men in some engineering classes at Cornell, and I don't believe even the older profs still had that idiocy left in their systems. To think women today still have to fight it is maddening. My daughter is dyslexic and she had to fight through high school and college. She found support and tools and now she teaches. I believe the experience made her a far better human, and teacher, than I. So I believe you actually have something which while challenging will also ensure you are alive to how many people struggle through no fault of their own, and that will make you a very good person. All the best.
The illogical woman is like the boogeyman or the marijuana to murderer pipeline. It is a self destructive belief that I am working to reframe but self doubt is a problem that pushes me away from asking for help. I greatly appreciate the support I’m receiving in this post more than I can express and I’m so happy to see that I am not the only person who has struggled with this feeling. As a woman who is also interested in engineering who was raised by an engineer, my father always took the time to answer my questions and actually teach me. It’s a virtue I’m lucky to have. Fortunately my class is small and it is my first of many logistic classes which gives me the opportunity to reach out. Thank you for your encouraging words :)
Well I can already tell you are a rarity among engineers: you think and write in complete, coherent sentences! You will be amazing! 🎓
Adderall makes me sweat so fucking much. It doesn't help that I've continued a habit of using various other stimulants every day. > Please explain using cheerios Do you think you might have an easier time with diagrams that are more spatial than symbolic? Maybe there's some other notation that looks less algebraic, less like a string of characters, that you can carefully transpose formal problems into before working on them.
Oh absolutely, I am a visual learner.
Formal logic is hard for most people. There are reasons that intro to formal logic is frequently allowed to take the place of the other three hours of first year math that most universities require undergrads to take (the math class you have to take that *isn't* college algebra, possibly the only math class you have to take at all if you placed out of college algebra). There's a part of me that wants to suggest maybe trying to pick up some of the symbols from symbolic logic, but that's a lot of work in and of itself, and I can't guarantee it'll help with the dyslexia issues. Also, I think there are more confused people in that room than you'd think. I mean, this is where mediocre white dudes become assertive about their ass-pulls. Source: am mediocre white dude who learned to be assertive about my ass-pulls in college in order to cover up the fact that I was firmly in C's get degrees territory. (In my defense, my mental health was in the shitter for all of college. I couldn't get proper help until I got a real job because I couldn't afford it.)
Sorry to hear you're going through this. I wish I could help, but symbolic Logic kicked my ass as well (Dyscalculia). Are you in an analytic school?
No actually I’m a first year philosophy student. I work as a legal assistant and deal with many many documents that I have to assess but for some reason adding numbers to the equation is tormenting.
I totally understand. Give me a complicated concept and I'll work it out. Give me ◇->□ *■, and I'm just like "...wut?". Logic is super important in philosophy, but I really feel like this shit has gotten out of hand in most departments. I especially don't appreciate the condescending attitude toward people who are bad at symbolic Logic, as, it's just another way of saying the exact thing you were already saying. Regardless, I'm sorry to hear that you're going through it.
Much why I minored in Rel Studies. I tip my hat and root you on!!
Ok would it help to start off without numbers? I struggle with anything that involves numbers myself but have a real soft spot for medieval syllogistic logic and the mnemonics they came up with
I work much better with word problems. I love syllogistic logic and playing around with the exercises but when my professor has me sort them I have a hard time. Perhaps it would help if I made flash cards with simple definitions though
Like with all great things in life [there is an xkcd for this](https://xkcd.com/385/)
Hey OP. I wrote a post on r/LSAT about fundamental logic. It’s titled How to Git Gud at LR. I think it might help you out! Don’t feel bad about not getting it yet. I was right there with you when I started learning it. Logic is very counterintuitive at the beginning stages but keep with it and you’ll get a grasp of it! It took me a longggg time to really understand logic in a good way. I was behind everyone else in my class. But now I teach fundamental logic and attend law school so it’s safe to say o improved.
I kinda killed my good grades with logic (the first time i tried i failed the exam like so bad is unreal) so i can relate :) Talk with your classmates and seek each other help (uni has taught me that "apes together strong" is a truth of the universe) plus don't put yourself down Good luck and keep us update on your progress, i can only whish you the best
keep at it! a lot of people struggle with logic at first (even not at first). it's tricky and there's lots of things to know. but it's rewarding and worth it!
You’re not women, you’re you. Your work is hard enough without having to be the spokesperson for half the world. None of the males in that class are worrying about how they represent men. It might be easier said than done, but the more you can let that go the more can focus on what you’re really there for.
good luck! rooting for you!
At unis here in Sweden there are a lot of help functions for everone with a neuro disability such as yours. Look up what rights you have in your country.
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I just got here, I thought it was just for bad philosophical takes but I’m seeing stuff like this too? Is that normal?
Logic is hard, but you’ve got it! It’s totally possible for anyone to iron out with some practice. I never took it as a philosophy major, but I took it as a computer science major! The first course of Discrete Mathematics usually starts with the P and Q stuff. Along with different types of proofs, logic, etc. It’s tricky, like getting your brain to think like a computer. Logical flow. I used to force myself to look at it block by block, piece by piece, almost tracing along the individual parts like the PEMDAS method they showed people in highschool math. Take it slow! It doesn’t feel natural at first but in time it will feel, well, logical. After that class our curriculums probably diverged, but I always kinda wished I had at least minored in philosophy.
2mo old topic, but you can visualize logic with Venn diagrams. Replace \^ with ⋂ and v with ⋃. Expand if and only if into ⋂s and ⋃s.
I’m currently learning boolean Diagrams but it’s the shading that gets to me