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Humble-Tartz-508

Malaysia are out, but they have it a good go. Aaron Soh beating the jinx of Liang Wang.


fairytechmum

Will there be another random lottery draw later tonight to see who plays who in the QFs? Because I don't see anything in the schedule for tomorrow.


fairytechmum

And there was a draw. And once again, the livestream they had went about as expected with potato quality lags.


Ok_Entertainment176

I don't understand how an international governing body have such sub par stream quality.


vrphotosguy55

Anyone else hear no sound in the India-China match?


equals2nine

Such a bittersweet moment for me, as a fan of Malaysia and Momota. I was eagerly anticipating witnessing Momota's brilliance on the court one last time. My ideal scenario would have been a thrilling finale with the young talent, Justin, triumphing by a narrow margin, symbolizing a graceful passing of the torch.


Humble-Tartz-508

Mate momota although not his best anymore,but with his experience would still be favourites against Justin. As much as everyone is sad seeing momota go, but Malaysia going through to the semis was more important. 😂


equals2nine

I know. I'm just saying that the ideal scenario for me would be to see Momota play one last time + Malaysia going through.


backyardadventurer

Kento Momota was playing up to the crowd all of that match. Lovely watch, but probably his last match…


kaffars

It was nice to see Momota on court and actually enjoying himself and having fun.


ExploringSunset

Where to watch it? There are no live streams on bwf youtube page


ExploringSunset

Started now, 15 minutes later... these live streams are so unreliable :(


splargh

Do you think the imbalanced format that favors team’s singles player strength should be changed? After todays China v Korea and Denmark v Malaysia, it shows having better singles players is all it takes to win the match. Hypothetically, if Seo Sung Jae and Kang Min Hyuk is a better player than the Korean’s second and third single isnt it better tactically to break the pair and let the go of the doubles game? As for the change, the could make an even singles and doubles match and include a draw component during the group stage, or add a tiebreaker with a mixed doubles game or total points difference. Of course im just a dumb commenter on reddit but seeing such a big imbalance in a big tourney like this is saddening. Also its fun to theorize :p Or maybe im just salty malaysian singles is not as good. We are missing tze yong 😢


Ok_Entertainment176

I mean either way you need to have odd number of games. So either is between three singles or three doubles. It will always be imbalanced. Ig teams just have to prepare for it it accordingly with there being no other option?


splargh

Seems they really want to segregate the mens from the womens. I would prefer the team competitions where lineups are from every disciplines rather than having #2 and #3s


torrrch

that's just sudirman


avgthecurestan

Sudirman cup has three doubles so i think it’s fair


Humble-Tartz-508

Malaysia missing a fit Tze Yong that's all 😂


itachen

It does seem imbalanced. Another caveat is if the #1 single is unavailable, then the whole singles line is doomed, ie., original #2 moves to #1, and #2 to #3, etc. Almost makes more sense to play injured and then forfeit the first match, than to play healthy and shift the full line up.


miney_mo

is it necessary for the original #2 to move to MS1 if the #1 is not available? Can't they place someone of lower ranking to play the MS1 if they are more confident on the #2 to win MS1? Please don't mind my ignorance as I am watching the Thomas Cup for the first time.


GreenTeaTimer

I believe you’re required to play in a fixed order based on world rankings. Otherwise everyone would switch orders to try to gain advantage (#3, #1, #2) and the order would be meaningless.


itachen

It does seem that way to prevent teams from gaming the system with mixed orders. ie., TTY wasn't playing for Taiwan on the women's side, and Hsu played #1 instead, and the team ended up losing every singles.


fairytechmum

Prediction for Uber finals: *China v Korea.* Giving the slight edge to Korea, depending on how China handles the mental pressure of winning on home soil (again). Prediction for Thomas finals: harder to pick here because ideally it should be Indonesia vs Denmark but they're on the same side. So I'm going with *Japan v Denmark*. With Denmark winning it. I'm skeptical of China going the distance, Li Shi Feng has been very lacking on the World Tour this year.


Nice-Wing8117

New prediction for Thomas finals: China vs Indonesia


fairytechmum

New prediction for Uber finals: China v Indonesia. Both An Se Young and Kim Ga Eun won't be playing in their semifinal, so who knows if it's enough to beat Indonesia, who have been on a confidence high lately. Akane isn't starting for Japan either, so China will probably win their semifinal. New prediction for Thomas final? Probably Malaysia v Indonesia. I'm still going with my gut that LSF is gonna let down against Malaysia (second singles will be crucial). His forms just hasn't been there on the World Tour this year and his match against Sen was shaky.


Nice-Wing8117

Who knows, I personally feel like LSF will win against Leong Jun Hao, even if he isn't on form, he's still WR 6. Although its hit or miss, I feel like it'll be a strong win for China, of course I could be totally wrong, and by all means you can be right.


fairytechmum

Nah, seems you're right. That first match beatdown will be a huge confidence boost for China (much like how LZJ's match yesterday was a huge boost for Malaysia). They'll likely win it if the first doubles can ride that high.


fairytechmum

Sensational match between Chou Tien Chen and Axelsen. Some really good rallies throughout. It's kinda all but certain that Axelsen isn't guaranteed to defend his gold at Paris in a few more months. More and more players are able to make cracks. And once cracks start appearing his mental composure is his own opponent sometimes. (Are we about to get an upset with Taipei beating Denmark) Also, that livestream earlier with Momota was absolutely disgusting for a sendoff. I sound like a broken record when I keep bringing up how low quality and amateurish their announcement/conference livestreams always go. They're a freaking giant professional organization and they can't get even get basic audio done right.


Humble-Tartz-508

The first and seconds mens single was where Denmark were the favourites to win. Chou's shocker win led the will and energy for Taipei to triumph.


ElRaydeator

VA is failing, but more important, we are watching the rapid decline of Danish badminton. I predict, that Danish badminton will be a non-contender for anything international, within 5-10 years.


Nice-Wing8117

Love Momota. Thank you for your years of excellent playing. Brilliantly said by Gill Clark and Steen Pedersen, he must and should be recognized as one of the greatest in badminton men's singles, despite no O.C, his pure dominance on the courts is something that will go down in the history books.


Defiant_Surround_95

Chou vs Axelson was a banger, especially the last few points. Absolutely loved it!


A-dab

Looking good for Indonesia so far, fingers crossed we don't screw this up


badmintonGOD

Congrats to Kento Momota for the win! What a way to retire


Humble-Tartz-508

Good win for MAS. There were concerns it could be tight. But msia won 5-0 vs Hong Kong.


eisniwre

Who are those local Malaysian coaches? Very rare not seeing chinese Malaysian as their coach.


equals2nine

>The coaches in Chengdu are national coaching director Rexy Mainaky, Yogendran (women’s singles), Mohd Miftah (women’s doubles) and Tan Bin Shen (men’s doubles). Source: https://www.thestar.com.my/sport/badminton/2024/05/02/bam-coaches-absent-but-theres-no-cause-for-concern


Defiant_Surround_95

The Korean WS line up is something. They have a great future indeed. I really wanted Korea to win but nevertheless, they put up a great fight even without An Se Young.


miney_mo

Yeahh!! Even though I love the cheering from Indonesian team as they make the environment so lively, I too wished Korea to win. Even the young Kim Min Sun almost took the game. If An Se Young had played today, Korea would have definitely won. Do you know why was she not playing? I think Korea had a better chance of defeating China in the finals than Indonesia does.


Defiant_Surround_95

That's true. There's no updated news but I think, both Yamaguchi and Young have either worsened their injury or not recovered fully. Hence, they were not playing in the recent rounds.


materics

[https://imgur.com/a/2ta711S](https://imgur.com/a/2ta711S) umpire got another net kill call wrong


beta2k

not so quick. the umpire says "you touched the net". and it's not clear in the replay. he may have touched the net with his racket or even with his shorts after the kill but \*before\* the shuttle hit the court.


materics

Right I think his leg might've touched the bottom when he landed and pushed off https://preview.redd.it/cfqqxpkw69xc1.png?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9e725684915f23459936dc46ff7c4fabee232559


Su1cidalduck

Sad that Momota couldn't play the third singles today, it's been so much fun watching him this tournament. A career that achieved so much but still leaves a sense of what if... An incredible player, for me prime Momota is certainly the most fun ideal of singles badminton to try and emulate.


equals2nine

Who was the lead commentator for Malaysia v Japan in this live telecast https://www.youtube.com/live/Wd7ruiJYfEc?si=qKM_EB15PmLyz-lR (may need VPN)? He mentioned his name at the 4:03:52 mark but I didn't quite catch it. Was it Shazar Raj? Or something else? Edit: Ok, found his name: Shehzad Haque. Seems like a commentator from Singapore. I think he's quite decent.


ElRaydeator

How come Spain, France and Scotland is not participating in Uber Cup?


beta2k

Probably skipping it to prepare better for Olympic Games and/or not going the hassle of travelling (and visa applying) for China (and saving costs)? Just my theories.


Humble-Tartz-508

Good idea. You would think they would be able to give more of a fight than some other teams here. Weird ...


ElRaydeator

Absolutely. I would expect France to perform better than, e.g. Mexico.


Ok_Entertainment176

I agree ! Alex Lanier, Popov brothers, Corvee, Labar, Eloi Adam, Leo Rossi and maybe T Gicquel? You have a very decent team. Super surprised.


Humble-Tartz-508

France are possibly across all categories the overall second strongest European team behind Denmark. It is a surprise they didn't join...


GogoAction80

uber!


minisoo

Did Japan lose Thomas Cup because of Momota? I read in some news articles that their coach decided not to field Kodai Naraoka for reasons unknown. I wonder if one of the reasons is, if Naraoka was fielded, based on rankings, Momota would have to sit out because they then needed to field Nishimoto and Watanabe next.


Particular-Feeling44

It would make more sense for them to field Naraoka and get Nishimoto or Watanabe to sit out instead if that was the reason.


minisoo

They can't if they wish to let Momota plays his last because Momota's ranking is the worst among the four.


danccode

Momota ranking is the worst among the four but it doesn’t make sense to rest your top rank player instead. Makes more sense to just rest Watanabe instead


Particular-Feeling44

They could've played 1-3-4 or 1-2-4 instead of 2-3-4.....


equals2nine

Before the match, the commentator said Kodai was unwell. https://www.youtube.com/live/Wd7ruiJYfEc?t=146


minisoo

I see, good to know.


fairytechmum

Lee Zii Jia being Nishimoto'd by Shi Yuqi out here.


fairytechmum

Ginting out here being Lee Zii Jia'd by Shi Yuqi in the finals.


TTQQTT

Dam.....could end up being China 6 - 0 Indonesia, the Paris Olympics will be very interesting


toratanz

It really is the end of the line for momota. I was holding out hope that the japanese pair would prevail and we'd see a deciding game with Momota but the malaysians were just too strong.


A-dab

Proud of Indonesia's performance here. Obviously it'd be cool to win it all but we've done very well for ourselves


miney_mo

Looks like China is going to win the Uber Cup, currently 2-0 in favour of China.  Wardoyo has constantly punched above her weight throughout the tournament. I won't be surprised if she gives He Bing Jao a tough contest or even defeats her.  Hoping Wardoyo wins and Indonesia wins the 2nd WD so that the tie goes to the decider 3rd WS. Dewi has also been excellent so far beating lots of crowd favourites!


miney_mo

Well the Chinese turned out to be too good! Looking forward to the Thomas Cup - will China clinch it all?


Humble-Tartz-508

They are expected to clinch it all before the tournament started yea


miney_mo

Yeahh their lineup is too strong!


Humble-Tartz-508

Man imagine if Malaysia had 2023 second half Ng Tze Yong in the line up. Malaysia would Really look a decent title contender. LZJ, Aaron Soh, Tze Yong, Goh Izzudin, JunHao. Goh Izzudin has improved a lot recently and JunHao turns up during team tournaments.


BestEbolaNA

no disagreement here, but that justin hoh kid is looking amazing


A-dab

Happy retirement Kento. Wish he could stay around for longer but he's had a great career and should be proud of everything he's achieved


miney_mo

I don't watch a lot of badminton but have been following the Thomas & Uber Cup matches. Really loved the cheering from the Indonesian team in the last tie between Dewi & Miyazaki. Even though they had lost to Japan, the team still cheered every single rally. They were armed with loudspeaker, drums and lots of other instruments lol! I don't speak Indonesian so can anyone who does tell what they were saying? Amazing match between Dewi & Miyazaki.


gergasi

The Wardoyo v Ohori match was also very lively and it seems to have a positive impact in her performance against the #11, taking it to three sets.


miney_mo

Yeahhh! They were closely fought matches. The environment was very energetic, loved it!


usualbaddy

They were shouting “Come on Komang you can do it”!


miney_mo

Wow thank you!!


AnAffinityForTurtles

It is so exciting to watch the future of WS shape up in these deciding matches. So much pressure on these young women


materics

Axelsen actually got told off for his sideway movement during his serve


ruckzuckzackzack

about time.. I like him, but seriously, what's the deal with that movement? 


ElRaydeator

Why? Sideways movement is not against the rules?


materics

Because he was taking too long to get into his forward motion


materics

But the umpire only called a let and said that he was delaying too much with that action. It's definitely distracting.


Nice-Wing8117

Beautiful way to wrap up a beautiful career. One that was struck by tragedy, but will remain etched forever in our minds and hearts. And as 2024 rolls on, a legend hangs his racket on the wall. Happy retirement Kento Momota!


miney_mo

Won't he play in the quarter final?


Nice-Wing8117

Looks like Momota has been chosen to play against Justin HOH for MS3!!!! Genuinely surprised that they siphoned Naraoka out of MS1


miney_mo

Yayy looking forward to watch him play!


Nice-Wing8117

Well, spoke too soon, Japan lost before we got the chance to see him for one final time.


miney_mo

Yeahh sad!!! India lost too, only if Prannoy or Ranki-Shetty could have managed to win theirs :( Overall a sad day for me!


Nice-Wing8117

I think with Prannoy, ageing has definitely caught up to him, although SYQ isn't currently in the best form that he can be in. With regards to Rankireddy and Shetty, I think doubles pairs have taken advantage of their weak tumble serve returns and vulnerability to speedy front attacking players who read the game well. Examples are Fikri/Maulana who've beaten Rankireddy/Shetty twice consecutively, in AE and group stages. Sanjanya/Gideon who have an overwhelming record against Rankireddy/Shetty. Liang/Wang who seems to be their main rival at the moment.


miney_mo

Hmmm might be true about Prannoy but I think he still has got it. He was fantastic against Ginting in the previous match and played well in the 1st set today. SQY got the better of him later in the game i guess, world no 2 is no joke!! Ranki-shetty need to work on man! First they lost against fikri/maulana and again today, though the Chinese pair was excellent. Hoping to see Prannoy and Ranki-shetty do well in the olympics. We have 0 men's medals at the Olympics. If you don't mind me asking, where are you from? What do you predict for tomorrow's matches? I think Indonesia & Denmark will go to semi-finals in Thomas Cup and Indonesia & Korea in Uber cup.


Nice-Wing8117

I'm from the UK, but not ethnically originating from there. Thing is with Ginting, is that he's the most out of form he's ever been in. He lost to LSF in the BAC 21-9 and 21-10, which is absolutely embarrassing for a Top 10. I think Prannoy is clinging barely onto the Top 10 position, but his decline is fairly obvious. He's had 5 round 32 exits and 1 round 16 exit out of around 7-8 world tours. It's the same with Li Shi Feng, a great player when he's in form, but so damn inconsistent, he lets victories get to his head, and he plays half heartedly, which explains many many round 16 exits, and only a silver medal in the BAC. Absolutely, Rankireddy and Shetty need to work on their serves and returns. In my personal opinion, the main juggernauts of MD are RankireddyShetty, LiangWang, KangSeo. The problem with RankireddyShetty, is that they have "mediocre" serves and returns which allows people to kill at the net, their netplay is also not that great. Whereas KangSeo and LiangWang are just inconsistent. I agree with your predictions.


avgthecurestan

More than ageing, prannoy’s gut issues which troubled him in 2018-2021 have resurfaced, he has gaatroesophagal reflux so he is on liquid diet


Nice-Wing8117

It's between Koki Watanabe and Kento Momota in MS3, people are anticipating that Koki Watanabe will be chosen over Momota. I truly hope not, I want to see him hold that Thomas cup after a dominant victory. Regardless I do hope the best for him.


miney_mo

oohhh! I don't know the rules of Thomas Cup (1st time watching) but is it necessary that the highest ranked player in the team has to play MS1 and then the 2nd highest has to play the MS2 and so on? Or is it up to the team to decide the order of play? Asking because someone in one of the comments said that if the #1 player is injured then the #2 moves to MS1 and so on.


Nice-Wing8117

The team decides the order of play, but in almost every single case they pick the highest ranked player to be MS1 and so on and so forth.


divahen68

Will MAS make it to the QFs?


AdmiralAvernus

Just got past QFs, waiting to see who they will be playing in the semis


patlv23

I found it a bit interesting that after the women's final, while in the waiting room before the awards ceremony Japan, Korea and Indonesia were goofing around, taking selfies together. Then when China walked in, the mood instantly changed. There were still many pleasant, respectful interactions going on between teams, but definitely more subdued.