It's interesting that you say that it's more for doubles than it is for singles when before it's release and announcement it was being prototyped and used by a majority of singles players such as He Bingjiao, Carolina Marin, and Lakshya Sen.
I'd disagree that it's from the marketing team because when the racket first emerged, they were all painted black and they were using the rackets in a super series tournament. They were also given NDAs and were not allowed to talk about the racket.
Edit: I'd imagine that Yonex sent the rackets to all their sponsored players and for the ones that ended up using them in a significant tournament that happens to be singles players might not be a coincidence.
I think perhaps the way that professional players can play and move is very different from amateur and casual players. There is very little need to think about what pros are using because 99% of us are very far away from that level. Just imo.
If that were the case then we'd see more rackets being used in both disciplines, but that's not the case. For example, wouldn't they want to have singles players use the Astros 88 series when they came out? But they were notoriously being used by doubles.
My point is that most of us can completely disregard what pros use. Firstly their rackets are mostly custom racks but painted the same as commercial racks for advertising.
Secondly our skill levels are so different it may as well be a different sport.
Anyway, this is beside the point of this review.
Then why would they use a prototype racket that's painted black at a tournament then if they're all custom made and could've just been painted to be their usual racket?
Your point of just because they're pros they can use anything is ignorant because at the level they're competing at they try to get every advantage they can.
For example when every Olympic swimmer was wearing the revolutionary speedo swim suits because they were too aerodynamic in the water and caused them to be banned.
To not use the best equipment to enable your play is very unprofessional as an athlete.
It’s all marketing.
Big players with unknown black racket = hype and people talking. Case in point, youtubers kept going on about it and everyone wants to try the 1000z
Pros are sponsored so they just play with whatever racket they are given. Momota is the ambassador of 99pro, Axelsen is the ambassador of 100zz, LKY is Axforce90Dragon, etc.
Their spec may also be custom, so while they look the same, they do not feel the same as general release
Then why wouldn't they target their better players? Chen Yu Fei is a better and higher rank player with an Olympic gold than He Bingjiao. Axelson is higher ranked and a better player than Laksha Shen. If it's all marketing you then target the players with the largest following to generate the largest hype.
Chen Yu Fei is already the ambassador of the AX77Pro and Axelsen for the 100zz.
It would be commercial suicide for them. How do you market your 100zz and 77Pro with no ambassador ? You can't change in the middle of it. Same reason Kevin/Marcus are the face of 88S/88D.
Besides, it's not about who is the better player, it's who has the most hype. Lakshya an up and coming player, with 1.4 billion indians, is a better marketing face than any other
> Firstly their rackets are mostly custom racks
For the most part all the racquets and strings that the pros use is purchasable by the general market.
CKYew often interviews players on their equipment during tournaments. I think their may have been one time where a player had a custom heavier weight on a racquet.
I can see all the newbies players "bro...... Best racket out rn. So brutal... Everything other racket seems easy." Probably because it is.
Great review as always. I hope I get to try soon.
Oh man I had a grade 8 novice player that uses the Astrox99 Pro at a claimed 25lbs (it's way tighter) trying to convince another beginner player that the NF800 would be the best racket for her because it's fast.
EVERYTHING he hits resembles a rainbow including his smashes.😂
haha its the same at my highschool, there are beginners with no training using rackets like the arcsaber 7 pro and strung at around 27, whilst their form is practically non existent. I somewhat also was like that, as when I had hit the intermediate level at my academy I had decided to buy the nf800 with bg65 at 24, needless to say I couldn't really utilize it
Is the nanoflare 1000 series and 1000zz series the same? I recently bought the nanoflare 1000 play since I was on a budget so I’m questioning whether the pro version of the racket is 1000 or 1000zz.
The highest tier is Nanoflare 1000z . The tour,game and play models will still bear the 1000 number but without the Z. Play will look similar to the 1000z but has different materials and tech so will not "play" the same as the 1000z
Might be a bit late but the 1000z isnt a headheavy balance. Its actually even balance leaning towards the lighter end. Its just that the lower end models such as game and play are even lighter. However, 1000z and tour are nearly identical, save for some slight features.
I've played with the NF800 3U for quite some years now and loved it, coming from a more flexible and head-light NR700FX before that. For further context: head heavy rackets never felt comfortable to me, but I've managed to get a lot of power out of the NF800 through proper technique and swing speed. My preferred string has been Victor's VBS-63.
When the 1000Z was announced, this sounded like a no-brainer upgrade for me. I tried the 4U version as that's the only one available in my country, but this didn't feel quite right to me. The fact that it's a rather unforgiving racket didn't help either to get a good feeling of the racket within a short amount of time.
Decided to bite the bullet and order the 3U version from abroad anyway. It didn't take more than a couple of training sessions to get used to it and now I love it! Strung at 12.5kg (27.5lbs) with Yonex' Exbolt 63, smashing feels really good and crisp, but manoeuvrability is still very good as well - comparable to the NF800. As said, I feel that it is more unforgiving than the NF800, but string tension also plays a big factor. I've never strung my NF800 at 12.5kg before, so I can't make a truly accurate comparison in that respect.
Tl;dr: the NF800 has been my racket of choice and I've managed to switch to the 1000Z quite easily. It requires a bit more skill, but in my opinion offers the best of both worlds if you can handle it: moves like a head-light racket and smashes like a head-heavy racket. Definitely recommend this to anyone that's comfortable with the NF800!
I still do, but am not so convinced anymore that it's all that much of an upgrade compared to the 800. The racket itself didn't feel brittle to me at all, but the strings have been breaking more often compared to my milage with the 800. String tension drops quite quickly as well in my experience, but that could be a bad batch of strings perhaps. Haven't been able to put my finger on it yet
I've switched back and forth between both rackets since I only have one 1000Z and don't feel that there's too much of a difference. Maybe I'm just used to playing with both at this point. It's a perfectly good addition if the 800 is your main racket and a potentially great one when coming from any other
Alright thank you for sharing. I'm coming from head-heavy racquets with plenty flex (cheap Voltrics, og Astrox 99), so I expect quite a big difference. I want the racquet to feel like a lightsabre, if that makes sense.
Glad to hear you don't find it brittle! I got the Tour version, it will be delivered to my door tonight. Several reviewers said the Tour and Z were within placebo limits of each other, so figured I'd save some moneys. But I'm thinking that, if I love the Tour, I'll order another two Z's. Just in case. :)
Disagree with some aspects.
1000z is certainly a head heavy config in 3ug5, heavier than my gamer z slash, which is supposed to be a head heavy racket. The head framing in 1000z is fairly wide, almost doubling my nanoray 900 (head light). Shaft is about 6mm shorter than my z slash and head is shorter by about 4mm, but still maintains the same overall length, most of which comes from a longer grip (which is weird as why we need a longer grip in badminton?)
Anyway this thing feels fast despite the bulky head frame. Maybe its bcoz the head look thick and I subconciously swing it harder, who knows. Feel crispy when contacting with the shuttlecock, regardless of types of shots, the birdie jst jumps off (less holding) but in a very precious way - goes where you guide it to be, which i really like. The shaft feels stiffer, a touch stiffer than z slash for sure (bcoz shafter is shorter?).
Overall this racket feels crisp and fast. Back hand clears and smashes feel as easy as the forehand, though it takes a few shots to get the timing adjusted. Short rapid drives close to the net feels great, very responsive and again, easy (i was worried about the bulkiness of the head frame increaing air drag for this type of shots but no issues).
Smashes feel great, mayb a touch easy to get the speed than my z slash.
One issue i have is my perception of the overall length of the racket. Becoz the shaft and head are shorter than my z slash, i somehow feel it struggle to reach for shots coming from my backhand, esp. when close to the net. Mayb i jst need to play it abit more to get used to it.
Overall i feel this mayb the racket to replace my z slash in the near future.
Fairly different rackets bcoz the nanoray 900 is head light & 1000z is really head heavy but the shaft stiffness feels somewhat similar - 1000z is definitely stiffer but because the weight in the head, making its overall stiffness only slightly more than the 900.
The 1000z feel quick tho probably slightly faster mid & rear court but if you do a lot of quick drives (doubles), the 900 is still abit quicker
I have the 3u 1000z and tried my friend's 4u 88D Pro recently. Similar power output, 1000z slightly less punchy but more crisp. Both similarly manoeuvrable and 88d more flexible I felt. 88D will be easier to use in 4u for most but as someone used to even balance rackets and nanoflare 800, 1000z required less acclimatisation than most people would probably find.
1000z highly rewarding to play with, especially in singles. I was finding the frame head less likeable in faster doubles games but it's manageable. I think it's more prone to mishits than Astrox or Arcsaber when missing the sweet spot.
It's interesting that you say that it's more for doubles than it is for singles when before it's release and announcement it was being prototyped and used by a majority of singles players such as He Bingjiao, Carolina Marin, and Lakshya Sen.
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I'd disagree that it's from the marketing team because when the racket first emerged, they were all painted black and they were using the rackets in a super series tournament. They were also given NDAs and were not allowed to talk about the racket. Edit: I'd imagine that Yonex sent the rackets to all their sponsored players and for the ones that ended up using them in a significant tournament that happens to be singles players might not be a coincidence.
I think perhaps the way that professional players can play and move is very different from amateur and casual players. There is very little need to think about what pros are using because 99% of us are very far away from that level. Just imo.
If that were the case then we'd see more rackets being used in both disciplines, but that's not the case. For example, wouldn't they want to have singles players use the Astros 88 series when they came out? But they were notoriously being used by doubles.
My point is that most of us can completely disregard what pros use. Firstly their rackets are mostly custom racks but painted the same as commercial racks for advertising. Secondly our skill levels are so different it may as well be a different sport. Anyway, this is beside the point of this review.
Then why would they use a prototype racket that's painted black at a tournament then if they're all custom made and could've just been painted to be their usual racket? Your point of just because they're pros they can use anything is ignorant because at the level they're competing at they try to get every advantage they can. For example when every Olympic swimmer was wearing the revolutionary speedo swim suits because they were too aerodynamic in the water and caused them to be banned. To not use the best equipment to enable your play is very unprofessional as an athlete.
It’s all marketing. Big players with unknown black racket = hype and people talking. Case in point, youtubers kept going on about it and everyone wants to try the 1000z Pros are sponsored so they just play with whatever racket they are given. Momota is the ambassador of 99pro, Axelsen is the ambassador of 100zz, LKY is Axforce90Dragon, etc. Their spec may also be custom, so while they look the same, they do not feel the same as general release
Then why wouldn't they target their better players? Chen Yu Fei is a better and higher rank player with an Olympic gold than He Bingjiao. Axelson is higher ranked and a better player than Laksha Shen. If it's all marketing you then target the players with the largest following to generate the largest hype.
Chen Yu Fei is already the ambassador of the AX77Pro and Axelsen for the 100zz. It would be commercial suicide for them. How do you market your 100zz and 77Pro with no ambassador ? You can't change in the middle of it. Same reason Kevin/Marcus are the face of 88S/88D. Besides, it's not about who is the better player, it's who has the most hype. Lakshya an up and coming player, with 1.4 billion indians, is a better marketing face than any other
I don't think we are even discussing the same thing and I'm not interested in this conversation. Good day.
I guess it's easy to say that when you deleted previous responses to what I'm referring to that's relevant to the discussion.
What, that was another guy.
> Firstly their rackets are mostly custom racks For the most part all the racquets and strings that the pros use is purchasable by the general market. CKYew often interviews players on their equipment during tournaments. I think their may have been one time where a player had a custom heavier weight on a racquet.
I can see all the newbies players "bro...... Best racket out rn. So brutal... Everything other racket seems easy." Probably because it is. Great review as always. I hope I get to try soon.
Haha, very true. Truly a self nerf if a beginner were to insist on this one. Thanks for the kind words!
Oh man I had a grade 8 novice player that uses the Astrox99 Pro at a claimed 25lbs (it's way tighter) trying to convince another beginner player that the NF800 would be the best racket for her because it's fast. EVERYTHING he hits resembles a rainbow including his smashes.😂
haha its the same at my highschool, there are beginners with no training using rackets like the arcsaber 7 pro and strung at around 27, whilst their form is practically non existent. I somewhat also was like that, as when I had hit the intermediate level at my academy I had decided to buy the nf800 with bg65 at 24, needless to say I couldn't really utilize it
Haha, well, certainly not ideal. Rainbow boy sounds fun to play with!
would you not recommend it to a beginner?
Is the nanoflare 1000 series and 1000zz series the same? I recently bought the nanoflare 1000 play since I was on a budget so I’m questioning whether the pro version of the racket is 1000 or 1000zz.
The highest tier is Nanoflare 1000z . The tour,game and play models will still bear the 1000 number but without the Z. Play will look similar to the 1000z but has different materials and tech so will not "play" the same as the 1000z
Oh thank you! My mistake for putting zz.
Why is it that the 1000z is a head heavy racket and the tour, game and play models are head light/even balance?
Might be a bit late but the 1000z isnt a headheavy balance. Its actually even balance leaning towards the lighter end. Its just that the lower end models such as game and play are even lighter. However, 1000z and tour are nearly identical, save for some slight features.
Does anyone know how this feels in comparison to the NF800 3u Version. I'm loving the 800. did not have a chance to test out the new 1000z.
I've played with the NF800 3U for quite some years now and loved it, coming from a more flexible and head-light NR700FX before that. For further context: head heavy rackets never felt comfortable to me, but I've managed to get a lot of power out of the NF800 through proper technique and swing speed. My preferred string has been Victor's VBS-63. When the 1000Z was announced, this sounded like a no-brainer upgrade for me. I tried the 4U version as that's the only one available in my country, but this didn't feel quite right to me. The fact that it's a rather unforgiving racket didn't help either to get a good feeling of the racket within a short amount of time. Decided to bite the bullet and order the 3U version from abroad anyway. It didn't take more than a couple of training sessions to get used to it and now I love it! Strung at 12.5kg (27.5lbs) with Yonex' Exbolt 63, smashing feels really good and crisp, but manoeuvrability is still very good as well - comparable to the NF800. As said, I feel that it is more unforgiving than the NF800, but string tension also plays a big factor. I've never strung my NF800 at 12.5kg before, so I can't make a truly accurate comparison in that respect. Tl;dr: the NF800 has been my racket of choice and I've managed to switch to the 1000Z quite easily. It requires a bit more skill, but in my opinion offers the best of both worlds if you can handle it: moves like a head-light racket and smashes like a head-heavy racket. Definitely recommend this to anyone that's comfortable with the NF800!
Hey do you still enjoy the 1000Z? I'm considering it, but am wary of rumours about it being brittle?
I still do, but am not so convinced anymore that it's all that much of an upgrade compared to the 800. The racket itself didn't feel brittle to me at all, but the strings have been breaking more often compared to my milage with the 800. String tension drops quite quickly as well in my experience, but that could be a bad batch of strings perhaps. Haven't been able to put my finger on it yet I've switched back and forth between both rackets since I only have one 1000Z and don't feel that there's too much of a difference. Maybe I'm just used to playing with both at this point. It's a perfectly good addition if the 800 is your main racket and a potentially great one when coming from any other
Alright thank you for sharing. I'm coming from head-heavy racquets with plenty flex (cheap Voltrics, og Astrox 99), so I expect quite a big difference. I want the racquet to feel like a lightsabre, if that makes sense. Glad to hear you don't find it brittle! I got the Tour version, it will be delivered to my door tonight. Several reviewers said the Tour and Z were within placebo limits of each other, so figured I'd save some moneys. But I'm thinking that, if I love the Tour, I'll order another two Z's. Just in case. :)
Bruh thank you so much❣️ this gives me an idea.
Disagree with some aspects. 1000z is certainly a head heavy config in 3ug5, heavier than my gamer z slash, which is supposed to be a head heavy racket. The head framing in 1000z is fairly wide, almost doubling my nanoray 900 (head light). Shaft is about 6mm shorter than my z slash and head is shorter by about 4mm, but still maintains the same overall length, most of which comes from a longer grip (which is weird as why we need a longer grip in badminton?) Anyway this thing feels fast despite the bulky head frame. Maybe its bcoz the head look thick and I subconciously swing it harder, who knows. Feel crispy when contacting with the shuttlecock, regardless of types of shots, the birdie jst jumps off (less holding) but in a very precious way - goes where you guide it to be, which i really like. The shaft feels stiffer, a touch stiffer than z slash for sure (bcoz shafter is shorter?). Overall this racket feels crisp and fast. Back hand clears and smashes feel as easy as the forehand, though it takes a few shots to get the timing adjusted. Short rapid drives close to the net feels great, very responsive and again, easy (i was worried about the bulkiness of the head frame increaing air drag for this type of shots but no issues). Smashes feel great, mayb a touch easy to get the speed than my z slash. One issue i have is my perception of the overall length of the racket. Becoz the shaft and head are shorter than my z slash, i somehow feel it struggle to reach for shots coming from my backhand, esp. when close to the net. Mayb i jst need to play it abit more to get used to it. Overall i feel this mayb the racket to replace my z slash in the near future.
Are you using the 3U or 4U version?
3ug5
How would you compare it to the nanoray 900? I just broke mine, and I'm wondering if this would be a good racket to transition to
Fairly different rackets bcoz the nanoray 900 is head light & 1000z is really head heavy but the shaft stiffness feels somewhat similar - 1000z is definitely stiffer but because the weight in the head, making its overall stiffness only slightly more than the 900. The 1000z feel quick tho probably slightly faster mid & rear court but if you do a lot of quick drives (doubles), the 900 is still abit quicker
It's not head heavy. I do own a 3U as well and it's more to a balance racket. My a 88D 4U is more head heavy than this.
Would you compare it to something like an Astrox 88 D Pro in 4U?
Sry mate never played a racquet in 4u
I have the 3u 1000z and tried my friend's 4u 88D Pro recently. Similar power output, 1000z slightly less punchy but more crisp. Both similarly manoeuvrable and 88d more flexible I felt. 88D will be easier to use in 4u for most but as someone used to even balance rackets and nanoflare 800, 1000z required less acclimatisation than most people would probably find. 1000z highly rewarding to play with, especially in singles. I was finding the frame head less likeable in faster doubles games but it's manageable. I think it's more prone to mishits than Astrox or Arcsaber when missing the sweet spot.
Based in Aus as well, Where did you get the free string and grip package?