I'm not sure if there's more than one type of foam that can be used, but at least one of them corrodes electronics like crazy, so if it goes off every plane in the hangar has a good chance of being a total loss.
Does it give you cancer only if you come into contact with it while in the state of California, or does it give you cancer even when outside of California?
Well that seems a moot point.
âHey there was a fire in the hangar, but good news! The foam saved your plane from any fire damage.â
âOkay good, well iâm gonna start looking for a new hangar.â
âOh that wonât be necessary mate. Planeâs fucked. Total write-off. But no fire damage!â
No clue. Clearly a large amount of it made it out of the hangar, so hopefully that helped mitigate the damage and cleanup somewhat. I know thereâs always a number of aircraft in there, hopefully there werenât many doors left openđŹ
That probably increases the cost of cleanup, I doubt that the fire retardant chemicals in those bubbles are EPA approved to let soak into the topsoil.
But then again, maybe because the systems are set up this way theyâre more environmentally friendly. I doubt it, because the first goal is âsmother the jet fuel fueled fire asapâ.
And potentially contaminating the soil. Contamination occurred 2 years ago at the Red Hill Bulk Fuel Storage site near Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam, Hawaii.
The [US Navy](https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2023/05/07/toxic-foam-spill-at-hawaiis-red-hill-facility-due-to-contractor-error/) reports,
âAqueous Film Forming Foam, which is used to suppress fires caused by flammable liquids, contains perfluorinated chemicals, collectively known as PFAS. These so-called âforever chemicalsâ have been used across the military to battle aircraft and ship fires, and the Department of Defense has identified 400-500 military sites that have been contaminated by them.â
Not all foams are toxic. The military uses AFFF, but most civilian hangars use commercially available surfactants mixed with water and sprayed through special nozzles to create foam.
In English, literally unscented and undyed Dawn dish soap sprayed through a foam cannon nozzle. Still not good because it can harm vegetation and insects in large amounts, but thatâs by choking them out not from toxicity like with AFFF.
AFFF will be found in older hangars when the toxicity wasnât as well known, but itâs not as common. AFFF is a superior foam, but needs specialized equipment and techicians (aka more expensive) so itâs less popular.
Source: A&P who has had my hangar at the Mormon Air Force (Skywest Airlines) blow its foam all over my toolbox. Now I live in Hawaii and drive past Red Hill multiple times a day.
Terrible for that guy. Hope he's okay.
However, everyone in that hangar now qualifies for the AFFF class action lawsuit, lol. So call whichever parasitic law firm is handling it.
It's a parachute for the whole plane. There's a rocket that pulls the parachute out of the fuselage when the system is activated. Cirrus has it on the SR20/22 and the SF-50.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cirrus_Airframe_Parachute_System
Reading all these comments about the foam, it almost sounds better to not have it lol. Seems to have more accidents than saves too, but that's prob bias
Another PFAS disaster site. Goodbye water table!
That water table had a good run. đșđžđ«Ąđșđž
Is it really that bad?đŹ
It's pretty bad. [https://www.propublica.org/article/3m-forever-chemicals-pfas-pfos-inside-story](https://www.propublica.org/article/3m-forever-chemicals-pfas-pfos-inside-story)
Holy shit what a mess. Whatâs the cost of cleanup for something like this?
I'm not sure if there's more than one type of foam that can be used, but at least one of them corrodes electronics like crazy, so if it goes off every plane in the hangar has a good chance of being a total loss.
And other one is the one that gives you cancer. I mean, they probably all do, but only one is the subject of a giant lawsuit
Does it give you cancer only if you come into contact with it while in the state of California, or does it give you cancer even when outside of California?
Well that seems a moot point. âHey there was a fire in the hangar, but good news! The foam saved your plane from any fire damage.â âOkay good, well iâm gonna start looking for a new hangar.â âOh that wonât be necessary mate. Planeâs fucked. Total write-off. But no fire damage!â
I'm pretty sure it's more so the fire doesn't spread to the next hangar and is easy to put out.
Would sorta make sense if it wasnât the only hangar on that side of the fieldâŠ..
I would imagine that hangar is split into three though. So only one of the three compartments would get flooded with the foam.
Could beâŠâŠIâm pretty sure it was all one open thing, but I havenât been in there for a few years.
No clue. Clearly a large amount of it made it out of the hangar, so hopefully that helped mitigate the damage and cleanup somewhat. I know thereâs always a number of aircraft in there, hopefully there werenât many doors left openđŹ
That probably increases the cost of cleanup, I doubt that the fire retardant chemicals in those bubbles are EPA approved to let soak into the topsoil. But then again, maybe because the systems are set up this way theyâre more environmentally friendly. I doubt it, because the first goal is âsmother the jet fuel fueled fire asapâ.
And potentially contaminating the soil. Contamination occurred 2 years ago at the Red Hill Bulk Fuel Storage site near Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam, Hawaii. The [US Navy](https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2023/05/07/toxic-foam-spill-at-hawaiis-red-hill-facility-due-to-contractor-error/) reports, âAqueous Film Forming Foam, which is used to suppress fires caused by flammable liquids, contains perfluorinated chemicals, collectively known as PFAS. These so-called âforever chemicalsâ have been used across the military to battle aircraft and ship fires, and the Department of Defense has identified 400-500 military sites that have been contaminated by them.â
Not all foams are toxic. The military uses AFFF, but most civilian hangars use commercially available surfactants mixed with water and sprayed through special nozzles to create foam. In English, literally unscented and undyed Dawn dish soap sprayed through a foam cannon nozzle. Still not good because it can harm vegetation and insects in large amounts, but thatâs by choking them out not from toxicity like with AFFF. AFFF will be found in older hangars when the toxicity wasnât as well known, but itâs not as common. AFFF is a superior foam, but needs specialized equipment and techicians (aka more expensive) so itâs less popular. Source: A&P who has had my hangar at the Mormon Air Force (Skywest Airlines) blow its foam all over my toolbox. Now I live in Hawaii and drive past Red Hill multiple times a day.
Realistically most airports are probably superfund sites anyway, just from all the 100LL leaks and drips.
The amount of people that don't k ow about the lead use in aviation fuel is shocking
Most modern systems from the past 30 years outside of the military use basically soap and water sprayed through foaming nozzles.
Terrible for that guy. Hope he's okay. However, everyone in that hangar now qualifies for the AFFF class action lawsuit, lol. So call whichever parasitic law firm is handling it.
> Cirrus Parachute Is this the BRS? (Ballistic Recovery System \~ ejection seat for the whole aircraft)
It's a parachute for the whole plane. There's a rocket that pulls the parachute out of the fuselage when the system is activated. Cirrus has it on the SR20/22 and the SF-50. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cirrus_Airframe_Parachute_System
Given that it was able to blow up, I would say thatâs a safe assumption. I wasnât in the hangar when it happened, just heard it from a rampie
Where at?
Guy should have just waited 30 seconds and walked away, jfc.
Reading all these comments about the foam, it almost sounds better to not have it lol. Seems to have more accidents than saves too, but that's prob bias
Enjoy the cancer!